Every Strongman Deadlift World Record
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
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I hope Hicksy gets it 😊
I would be surprised his last post of 460 kg looked near his limit yet the post before that 2x 450kg looked effortless
@craigpawalawski4232 It didn't look effortless, the second rep slowed a top towards lockout and a slight hitch. All these things contribute to what somebody might hit peaked. I don't think 505kg is on the cards for him but I'd love to see it. Hicks is a great bloke.
@Adam-bw6dj Yep would love to see Hicks pull it between him and Thor but in a few years maybe Mitch ?
@@craigpawalawski4232 I think a real tragedy is the fact that Thor could legitimately put it out of reach if he really peaked for it in the next year or two. I really want to see it. But I'd certainly agree a freak like Mitch is definitely capable of a 500kg deadlift at some point for sure. But I don't think anybody has the capability of beating Thor, IF he hits his potential. He very well might focus on other things and miss his chance. It could happen.
Come on Thor, get it done! You are the best!
He needs to break the 500kg
@@e.3-0_m3 It was already done 4 years ago.
@@giovannicupello1977 Not really. It could have been any weight, his dad was the one checking the weights, on their own scale. Then he immediately retired so no one would call him out on it in a future competition. Now that he´s back he better pull it for real or always be the guy who didn´t do it for real (real means in a competition, under pressure with properly calibrated weights and impartial judges).
@@sgthl well for one it was literally the same judge (magnus ver) who Giants live use, two it was quite literally weighed on camera (unlike any before seen record)- if you want to argue confirmation bias because of it being his dad, Eddie has a stake in Giants live and therefore was business partners with those most invested in seeing a 500kg deadlift..
Thors event was sponsored by rogue, and hosted by WUS who were a legitimate promoter at the time- they similarly hosted Maddox for the 800lb bench attempt, both stoltmans, heinla, riannon lovelace etc.. so unless you are implying ALL of them used fake weights because it wasn't 'in competition' then I am not sure how your argument makes sense.
Thor has also shown many many times how good of a deadlifter is in competition, with his world records (raw) in the elephant bar, and some great performances at previous dl champs, giants live shows and worlds so again not sure why an athlete of his calibre would fake a lift he was going to do at a comp prior to covid anyway.
@sgthl that's such a daft argument. Nobody realistically argues whether it weighed 501kg, they literally unwrapped each plate and weighed them live on camera for everyone to see. The argument is more the conditions and whether it counts if you're doing it on your own, in your gym.
Thor smashed it & he will do it again.
Im sure he could but not sure where or when it would happen...he wont sacrifice a comp for it and giants live is a nogo
Thor looked like he had 510 in him the day he did 501. And I dare say he looks like a better dead-lifter now than he was! If he bulked up a bit more I’m sure he could break the record again. Someone will offer him the opportunity in comp if he wants it.
Hope so and would be great to see but if he does it, or anyone else, it has to be in competition so there wont be any controversy to left.
I prefer to see Hafthor do 505-510 first and then do it again with 510-515. He is definitely capable and there's no denying that he is the best deadlifter in history.
Ngl I see like 2-3 other people breaking the world record but Thor will have the highest out of all of them
I think Hicksy is the only one with a realistic chance. Good luck to all the guys going for it.
A month or so back he seemed like he may have a shot and then his 465kg just did not seem smooth for someone close to 505kg.
Hope he pulls it though. Guy is a beast
I don't think anyone will get it this time. I hope i'm proven wrong though.
I think realistically the only person who's breaking it is Thor if/when he wants to.
I think if he committed to it, I wouldn't put it past Mitch Hooper either. I know he's said he's not interested though.
yeah i think makarov is probably has the best shot but i dont think anyone will get it in vegas. as odd as it feels to say, i think they are too small, full thor and peak eddie were both 200kg + in bodyweight when they pulled 500 and non of the guys are touching that
There no one going to break eddies record
Love it!
I don’t think anyone will break it till Thor decides to do it
I think we might see a few people get it this contest
@@BobCarolgees-p8fout of curiosity who do you see breaking the record next week?
@@BobCarolgees-p8fNo chance of anyone breaking it in Vegas
1:10 Oleksandr Pekanov matched Gerrits record with 410kg in 2005
I think Hixxy will do it next weekend.
Hafthor is the greatest deadlifter of all time. I can't wait to see him do it again and also before he retires, taking it away from mortal reach for the next several decades.
Maybe, but the greatest single deadlift is Eddie's 500kg, by far (35kg diff), which broke the (mental) barrier for others to even try such weight.
@@EmmerichSchmidt Nah, Eddie smeared his own legacy by crying about it so much imo
Interesting point of view. I think it's bold to say he's the greatest ever. You've got to look at people who moved the lift forward significantly. Andy Bolton, Benni Magnussen, Eddie Hall for instance.
I think if Thor pushes the record on, maybe does 510kg at a big show (which he's definitely capable of) we can talk about him being the best ever.
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@@EmmerichSchmidt Eddie's is more influential, but I don't think it takes away from the fact that Thor is the best ever strongman in terms of deadlifting.
Thor looked like he was still warming up. Hicks is looking strong but I'll believe it when i see it
Loz without a beard is still such a strange sight to me. I don't think I'd even recognise him.
He didn't have a beard back in the day
@@everythingstrength1485 I know. I'm just saying that it's weird to go from the present to his beardless days.
@vojtechkorhon4159 that's true....then we had a transition from Big Loz to Fat Loz, back to Big Loz, and now...we're at Fit Loz😆
I've followed a lot of these guy's careers.
Loz without a beard shows up with a stick to beat himself and mog strongman. Loz with a beard is the gentle giant and goat coach
@@bronchoped both are awesome
Eddie will go down in history as the one who broke the record by 35kg and the first to pull 500kg. Thor will go down in history as the one who pulled over 500kg twice and the second record will not be broken for a very long time. We are very fortunate to have witnessed these two strongmen. How much do you think Thor will be able to pull? 505, 510, 515?
Eddie is very humble with his pull, even his plaque says "first to 500kg". He knows Thor can do more but it where it matters, in competition.
@darontea6510 Thors was done in an official event
Love how Eddie talked smack about Thor only breaking his record by 1 KG.., how many times in this video alone, and in this single event, did Eddie only do it by 1 KG
@gregmckenna9241 Thor had talked about 520 kg but on the day pulled a easy 501kg part of the reason he did not go heavier was 2 weeks before he had a small tear in his lat which he did not put online as did not want to use it as a excuse and this is why on that day he did not go heavier...
Not to mention the axle lift.
@@craigpawalawski4232that's funny cause Thor loves his excuses
@@lukea136Agree only Big Z Eddie and Iron Biby just used shoulders to press the weight all others used leg or split jerk
Eddie is a hypocrite and a sore loser.
Great video Uncle Loz and Aunty Liz. I don't think the record will get beaten during the deadlift competition in Las Vegas. Need Hafthor if we are to see it getting beaten again
Is Benni's raw 460 still a record? One of the craziest lifts of all time
It was broken by a sumo deadlift two years ago
@@magnitorfasson9238 So it wasnt broken then
@@sammorrissey9094 Based.
@@magnitorfasson9238 deadlift and sumo deadlift are two different movements can't be compared
@@eladrio2311 thats the reason of why i specified the type of deadlift
King Hafþór holds *both deadlift bar & elephant bar all time world records at 501 and 474.5 KG.
And 480 unofficially on a mammoth bar iirc, he just needs to go for benni’s 460 as long as it was real
I know everyone on Big Loz including Big Loz himself is a Thor fan (boy), I'm not but in saying that I'll give Thor credit. ONLY! if he can do it in competition.
Eddie himself is a Thor fanboy. Didn't you see his tattoo?
@@jamesmaitlandstewart08 Hey! A bet is a bet 😂
But Eddie wasn't in a competition, he did 1 event, decided on jumps and time between lifts. Absolutely no different to Thor's 501 if we're being honest
While looking at the deadlift record we should also not overlook the fact that Eddie wore a multi-ply suit for his 500 and he almost died due to the sheer weight. Hafthor on the other hand wore only a single-ply suit for his 501 and made it look like nothing! He is also way taller than Eddie and had to pull the bar for a way bigger range of motion. Eddie's was great, but Hafthor's was greater. As simple as that.
No Thor did not wear single ply, you Thor fannies are like maga, so much nonsense
Why didn't Thor break the record in 2016? Stop the crap talk. Records are meant to be broken. Where was Thor when humanity was looking for someone to prove lifting 500kg was possible? Thor became a better deadlifter when Eddie retired, but this crap talk about Thor, making it look easy must stop.
It is true that Thors deadlift looked way easier and was objectively better but your argument that it was harder for Thor because of his height doesn't make sense. It is way better to have such a massive frame as Thor has for this insanely heavy list than being short.
@@mikeanthony706He did make it look easy though lmao 😂
@@niklas5771No it isn't. A bigger frame can be a positive but I can assure you a smaller range of motion is more effective in achieving a bigger pull.
The house the dog is all on Mr Hicks I think he’s already done it off camera 💪💪💪💪💪💪🇬🇧
Just noticed Kevin's DL was off pads ? Plus noticed your DL think Liz followed your style for her DL 😂
They even keep hold of it the same
Ohh... I thought loz broke down many deadlift variations and their records... Such an video wouldve been awsome
Definitely something I'm happy to do 👍🏽
@@BigLozOfficial nice ❤️
@@BigLozOfficialdid you see the recent behind the back lift of 500kg.. pretty wild
@BigLozOfficial
Please do
Equipped
Raw (no suit)
Raw (no suit or straps)
13 inch
15 inch
18 inch
Trap bar
Hummer tire
Silver dollar
Viking deadlift (an obscure one)
Car deadlift
Frame deadlift
Elephant bar
Two man/tandem
Jefferson (this one isn’t done in comp except USAWA)
Hack/behind back (same as Jefferson)
Ukrainian
Any others I missed
(Also to appeal both sumo haters and other people mention what the heaviest conventional in powerlifting is, but please awknowledge that the record is done with sumo)
Gym lifts too would be really cool
I think it is time the record went as so many capable.
Was that definition the prologue to your Strongman Rulebook 👀?
No one will lift it in Vegas , Thor will do it soon 510 kg maybe 515kg. I think Hooper would stand a chance if he went for deadlift only, but he's not ready yet by the time he's ready Thor will of moved it to high.
Would love to see Hick's do it but dont think he will.
Hooper can't do it.
@@jamesmaitlandstewart08 i ment if he spent 6 months concentrating on just deadlift he might get close to 500kg. i think Hooper could get around 485Kg ish.
Rauno and Hick's are abit to light in my opinion much lighter than Eddie and Thor.
its a massive lift 10 years from now it could still be only Eddie and Thor that have done 500kg, that quite possible
This video has made me a little “less impressed” (can’t think of a better way to phrase it) by the jump to 500 Eddie took. It seems like until about 2014, athletes just had no reason to push a max standard deadlift. It’s not like everyone was trying and failing like they are now with 505. I think that if it was a standard lift for years like the log, it would’ve inched its way there. Either way Thor will probably put it out of reach for a whole
yeah, up until 2014 there were no "specialized" strongmen training for one lift. It was the best of the best competing to win a title and having to break a record to do it, that's why Brian and Z's records are doubly impressive as they were not only the strongest deadlifters but also the best strongmen
Raunos 476 is also a world record, if 505 will be done I do not know but Hicks, Rauno and Makarov will give their best
Eddie made history but his repetitive cringing not being able to digest that it was broken by a stronger man made me despice the guy. After Hafthor smashed him in the ring, I threw his autographed book in the trash and started watching Hafthor's content backwards from the 501. It was infact after Hafthor broke the record, Eddie and Giants live released the fake video, trying to discredit the lift and framing him to be a bad sport. The more I saw from Hafthor, the more I realized how wrong I was about the whole thing. In my eyes, Hafthor's 501 is the world record and the debates around it will only last a little more. He will take the record to an unreachable territory to everyone else except him. Good luck Hafthor I know you will do it!
@william_f_beedle18 dude,records are meant to be broken. Tell me a single strongman record that has stood more than 10 years? Thor and Eddie are not fond of each other, and there is nothing wrong with that. Eddie became the first human to prove this was possible. Before 2016, no one thought this was even possible. Why didn't Thor break it a week after Eddie, but it took him 4 years to only add 1kg while Eddie was 35kg to prove humans could lift half a ton? Think about that. Say what you want about a boxing match one opponent took it very serious and the other didn't and underestimated the opponent; also about Giantslive et al, records are meant to be broken and at the moment Thor is the best deadlifter alive period but that does not diminish Eddie deadlift achievement in anyway
Funny you think thor was stronger then Eddie why he never prove it against him .. and Eddie talks all the times about how he want people to keep beating the records ... that fact you like a cry baby like thor tells alot
I also put that book in the trash. Was called strongman my story. Totally different narrative to who he actually is. Hafthor is a better and stronger man in every way.
So you became more Thor fan cause Eddie was being bitch like sameway Thor was being bitch to Eddie? 😂
Both of them have been acting equaly stupid and also good.
But all started when Thor wasnt able to digest that Eddie was stronger and continued to that Eddie wasn't able to digest Thor's 501 what i understand 100%, cause lift wasn't in competition.
Part of me want's to believe this whole feud was scripted and acting cause they were good friends and just planned to make some fame and money 😂 and that it will end when Thor goes and lift's in competition official wr and Eddie will be there to congratulate handshake ✌🏻
@@mikeanthony706 Hafthor's Jón Páll Sigmarsson Stone carry record is unbeaten for the past 10+ years, Lundstrong stone carry world record is unbeaten for the past 9+ years, one arm weight over bar world record is unbeaten for the past 10 years+ (He is the one who renewed it for the last 12 times) and Viking ship mast record is unbeaten for 9 years+
Hafthor was doing full shows unlike Eddie. Also, he was doing full shows when he broke the record also. He won the Arnolds 7 weeks before the 501. Hafthor's 31 international competition wins versus Eddie's 1 is clear proof of this.
Eddie took the boxing match very seriously. He even sparred some of the heavy weights of the sport according to him and even made a video series called desolation of Thor but renamed them after he became the one who got desolated lol. Eddie fans are giving excuses just like him. Before the fight talked all the dirty things. After the fight, I literally fought the biggest man on the planet lmao
Hafthor is the King!
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Interesting that until recently the strongman deadlift was far behind the powerlifting record, with Andy Bolton pulling 1000lbs fitst in 2006
I'd love if they brought back something like the cheese deadlift to world's
Love to see someone deadlift 1,300lbs on the bendiest bar ever lol
Wouldn't write Hick's off. All depends on how it goes on the day.
Ye I think hicks or rinro can do it
Makes deadlift world record video, puts second place on the thumbnail😂
It’s a good picture for a thumbnail 🤷🏼♀️🙃
Nope. Eddie has the record. No record in any other sport exists under the conditions Thor did it in.
@@bdegrds second place
Wellllll Eddie did get his WR in completion not fresh in a home gym
@@Wahhhhhhhhhhwasn't Eddie fresh on the 1st event?
"myself and Brian Shaw" not a lot of people that can say that when it comes to lifting
I don’t think 505 will be pulled, however I want Graham to bring the WR back to England.
@@andrewgilbertson5356 the record is still in England
@@e.3-0_m3 No in Iceland, Didn't see the video?
I guess Big Loz counts Thor’s lift. The controversy of it will never go away until Thor or someone else breaks that record.
There was nothing controversial about it!!! It was during frigging covid and travel was shutdown all over the world
The controversy of it is only there because Eddie is a sore loser. He insists that records must now be done in competition, yet he did it with his own platform, bar and rest breaks close to his home. He's setting standards for others that he didn't meet himself.
@@drae6984the GL team don’t help either. They won’t call Thors lift the record because they know he won’t come and break it at their comps, and they’ve set the bar to 505 instead of 502 so they can ignore 501
@@cisrael468 at this point I think Giants Live won't recognize anything that was done outside of their competition and just refer to it as "Giants Live Record" or something.
Never understood the argument - " Your dad weighed the plates " .... a 2 y/o child could have weighed the plates, its irrelevant.......they were calibrated, and weighed, at the event, with official refs there to witness..... This " Dad " argument from Eddie, is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard, ever, about anything.
Nope it won't be the year am afraid....
Thor, Ivan and hicks will all pull 505 this year
@@SimonGhostRileyTF141 I am going to do it in my gym aswell like thor
@@e.3-0_m3 upload it to youtube, with calibrated plates weighed in the video, we wait
@e.3-0_m3 With rogue providing the equipment and plates, WUS and Guinness certifying the weights, official judging and refereeing, magnus ver Magnusson there, as an official event replacing a deadlift competition? Sure
Now that would be a sight to behold
@@eladrio2311 no problem I have thor father on way over with them
Why Thor is not taking part in Deadlift World Championship?
Didnt you also break the record in the deadlift championships with Beni and Eddie?
I thought so too.....
No, Loz broke the record equal with Brian Shaw in 2011 with 430kg I think. But Loz tore his lat in 2014 attempting 446kg when Eddie and Benni did 461kg.
That was Jerry.
I think Thor can do 510 easy.
@@jerseyrock1969 why doesn't he do it they thor is like his fans all talk
@@e.3-0_m3 I am not a Thor fan, but he is by far the best dead lifter, even stevie wonder can see that.
@@jerseyrock1969 So why when he try to push Eddie in comp to pull 480 kg and they ended up agreeing on 470kg and thor fail it and Eddie pulled it and made look easy ..You think thor is best every you need to stop following the thor fan boy crowd
@e.3-0_m3 it's without question Eddie was better on that day, but Eddie stopped strongman and Thor eclipsed everything he did. Thor is the best dl yes.
@@bronchoped explain that makes no sense so your saying because he out of comp now it doesn't matter and Eddie broke the world record 3 times in one year and thor took how long to get to lift same as Eddie if you think that and now his running from it and you think his out passed him serious... how's thor overhead were is he better???
I was not ready for the space cowboy jacking it
Eddie going from 465kg to 500kg is the on paper equivalent of the 231kg Iron Biby log press record getting beaten by a 248kg log press, very different lifts but absurd nonetheless
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Eddies 465 before his 500 still blows my fkng mind. Never mind his 500.
I can’t even lift a full bin bag that fast.
I would like to see a video of the deadlift variation records on max weight
Although Thor definitely has the current record (and made it look easier), I still consider Eddie the better deadlifter, every single time they competed, Eddie won the deadlift.
Yes Thor continued to develop in his deadlift after 2017, would that be strange? His elephant bar deadlift also continued to develop year by year, documented in competitions.
I hope they have Graham travel out to Vegas a week or so prior to get acclimated, rested, hydrated, and recovered from the travel...
Eddie fanboys incoming
@@ThorsHammer88 coming from a thor fan boy doesn't mean anything
Eddie fanboys are so hurt.
@@e.3-0_m3 Not really named after the strongman but sure
Honestly think Ivan has it in the bag if he can show up and not mess up his peak and deload
Eddie’s lift was truly record breaking. Thor holds it now.
Nobody will break 505 this weekend. Hicks went out too hard too fast during his prep, and has had some reps where he struggled too much/had technical difficulties in lockout.
And when you're prepping for a 480 kg lift every rep leading up to it needs look like (or close to it) a speed rep, and you cannot afford technical difficulties.
Graham did like 20 weeks prep for this and he even took 3 weeks deload before Las Vegas. That was not to hard to fast.
@@kucuser his 3rd rep on 431 showed a huge shrink in his armor and even Loz pointed it out.
@@simenandersen3262 im not arguing quality of lifts.
@@kucuser fair, do you think he can do 505?
@@simenandersen3262 hard to say. He has best chance at it out of all athletes in Vegas. I hope he will get it so Hafthor can smash it one more time.
Mitch Hoopers 475 kg ⁉️ Wasn't done during 🌍 championship , but should still get honorable mention
I think Eddie going from 463 to 500 and just a year later has to be about the biggest record breaking event in all of sports, what other events/sports have had a record shattered by so much?
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just now realized that Eddie never wore the suit all the way until his 500kg
Eddies 500 will allways be the greatest in history . Hes hard to love but we still do ❤😅
@@christianchapman9420 😂😂😂100%
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on Hixxy.
I don’t care what anyone says, until Thor does it in competition with the pressure that comes with it, Eddie’s still the record holder. I don’t doubt Thor can do it, but he hasn’t yet.
why did you change your mind about Thor's ?
I don’t think Loz ever discounted Thors record. He was a commentator on the live stream for it and has defended the integrity of the lift for years
@@cisrael468
i've seen more than one video on this channel where he at least questions it because he says it should be done in a legit competition setting instead of a private gym
@@mentilly_allLoz has said from day 1 he considers it the record.. what you might have seen is him saying he would love Thor to surpass 501 in competition to shut down the argument for good.
@@mrsshahlaei451
fair enough, i can't claim to remember every word or to have watched every video
@@mentilly_all quite the opposite. Liz and Loz have had to clarify to people it was done in a commercial gym owned by Thor, not some home setup
Eddie still holds the world deadlift record of 500 kg, as much as Thors 501 lift was astonishing, it isn't the world record in my opinion, because how it was done. Totally different situation when you have the chance to lift that weight while competing with other guys.
Let's count every gym lift as world record then.
I understand the side of why people consider Thor holds it and controversy of it but lot of people still considered Eddie to hold the record. Again, hope someone pulls it soon and ends this pointless bickering. Gl Hicks, Makarov and Thor for the Wr
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First comment!!!!
And what is the difference?
Others in competition, Thor 501 in gym.
No need to talk about anything else, that's the only thing what is enough to make it unofficial.
It just doesn't count for wr.
But people should stop saying about was it really 501, who weighted plates blabla... i do believe everything was real and correct but still, livestreamed pr, not world record.
And when watching these lifts, it's easy say that Eddie is deadlift goat. In short time he did change everything about deadlift.
And Thor fans should be grateful to Eddie, because he's performances pushed Thor forward and thats only great thing 💪🏻
Awesome lifts and lifters, so glad have been able to witness these and history500 making 💪🏻👌🏻
Big Loz says that it counts, you say that it doesn't, thanks for your opinion but I will take the opinion of a former strongman
Thor lift doesn't count ....eddie still holds the record
That 501kg record isn't official in my eyes. To his credit he looked like had a lot more in the tank, so I'm sure it would've been a new world record at the right venue.
All hail Eddie's record. Lol
Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion.
What was unofficial about it other than not having a large crowd present?
@cisrael468 because ! Eddie holds the record waaaaah,
Yet these people have no problem accepting all the other official records done out of comp , eddie is a brain rotting influencer
100% because it was done in his own gym with his dad putting weight on and thor loves cheating as they say the Apple don't fall far from the tree
Records only count in competition weighed by a third party on a third parties scale
In that case Eddie’s doesn’t count lol Giants Live is not a third party to Eddie.
@@roytromb_strengthI also don't remember seeing Eddie's plates weighed at all
@@lukeroan1719indeed!!!
Define 3rd party in the context of a strongman competition… because there’s a good chance not a single record in the sport has been broken under those conditions. But strongman is a bit like the Wild West and records shouldn’t be taken *too* seriously in a sport with no governing body or rule book. The only real constant when it comes to records is that there’s a referee verifying it’s a good lift.
Luckily Thor's plates were weighed by Magnus ver Magnusson on stream. Now where did we see Eddie's plates being weighed? 🤨
Sorry, but thors " 501" doesn't count . You cant get 6 bloke's in your garage and " break " records . Also, he only lifts the 501 no weights before. But run, you couldn't 500 kg well, obviously that 78 stone thats like lifting 2 thors and a normal sized man . Dont dispute thor is stong and beat in the ring but his 501 nope ..
So much rubbish about the deadlift seriously. You know absolutely nothing, Thor and Eddie both did Warmup lifts 420kg and 465kg. NOBODY just pulls 500kg without Warmup lifts, it makes me wonder if you've ever lifted in your life? If you had surely you would understand you need Warmup lifts to build to a max 😂
Dude seriously don't comment nonsense if you ain't got a clue about lifting.
So the records broken by the Stoltman did not count. The 6x400 of Hainla doesn't count neither. Good to know that.
@@divicospower9112 Plenty of these guys would refer to Luke's 221kg log press and his near miss at 229kg. Despite both being done under WUS rules in his home gym and not see the hypocrisy.
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Thors doesn’t count
If you say so
That's cope
The fact that people still argue this and are so petty over attempted technicalities blows my mind😂
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