@@JubularBiker All the people waving the flag for the new snail pace will be tested when they get their speeding tickets in the post. Tunes will be changing 😂
It’ll take a damned long time. They’re not nicking at that speed. They used to but they’re not for ages. And anyway up here the sites are virtually all in 30’s anyway 😂😂😂
So to be clear unless you’re nicked within 18 months ( and if you have well stop complaining. You should have paid attention at the course ) you’re going to be offered a course so no points. But if you’re not going to be able to keep within 10% +2 plus the speedo over read then well….. what the flaming whotsit were you doing ? You certainly weren’t being competent were you…
@@craigyllyn Reckless driving and inattentiveness on the road (staring at the Speedo anyone) is what gets people killed. Speed, within reason, is only a factor if you actually hit something. Keep focussed on the road, not the Speedo, and you won't hit anything. The vast majority of drivers don't drive like nutters anyway and you won't change the ones who do, until they grow up. Actually it's the slow drivers that cause the most problems in my experience. And the middle lane hoggers, and tailgaters ( there will be more of them now). So, you don't realise yet that the whole idea of these speed restrictions, ULEZ etc is to eventually get us all off the roads? It is happening globally. Funny that! We're really going to enjoy riding our powerful motorcycles at 20. Happy Days 🙄
Not just in Cities though is it,i agree some places should be 20mph and most places i agree with were that before the blanket roll out they just did but 20mph in every old 30mph zone just daft.@@JubularBiker
@@teggsy2165it’s not a blanket roll out though. That is just something people against the new speed limit say. I still drive on 30mph, and where there is a chance of interaction between pedestrians and vehicles, it’s sensible to reduce the speed limit. All these “what-about-isms” are laughable. People will adjust, and this will all be forgotten soon enough.
@craigyllyn They only read the headlines, the media sell papers, the public blindly follow...it's the way of the world. Those same people don't use bus lanes, because they can't see the smaller print where it states at what times it is buses only. Shame really, but people just like to remain ignorant of facts.
99% of us agree that there are 20mph roads where it makes sense and ones where it doesn't. No prizes for guessing which ones the camera vans will gravitate towards so is it a scam? Yes it is.
@@craigyllyn - I live in North Wales also and most now seem to be driving at 30-40mph in the 20mph huge areas and ignoring the old 20mph school zones......20mph Limit = The Idea of someone with a lower IQ than a rocking horse.
@@cloudbasenirvana certainly not like that over here in Bangor or on Ynys Mon. But of course we don’t have huge 20mph areas . We do have lots of 30’s though
I think it was ‘advertised’ poorly. They worded its arrival as that ‘most’ 30mph roads were now going to be 20. In reality, it’s not really that many roads. My 27 mile commute is probably 10-15 seconds longer now. I do feel sorry for people living at the end of long valleys though. It’s not the same change for all of us.
There are simply bigger fish to fry. I mean, the fuss about this 20mph limit is pretty insane. Some roads are difficult at 20mph, but 80% of them are fine from my experience so far.
Why were you not filtering to the front of the queue at the traffic lights? What’s the point of having a motorcycle in traffic? Take the hint from the car’s overtaking you, Grandad.
The cars that overtook you were probably having to drive at around15 mph to maintain a safe distance. The route you took is part of my daily commute and that part of the journey is easily taking me twice as long. During 'rush' hour I am routinely finding it takes at least twice as long. Yes, this new speed limit is having a big impact on people's daily lives.
@@JubularBiker actually in physics there's the phenomenon called the Accordion Effect that affects the speed of objects travelling in a line. At 30 mph an hour it's not too bad because the slower moving objects will travel at approximately 25 mph which is tolerable. However, at 20 mph the objects caught in the ripple back end up travelling at 15 mph which is stupidly slow.
@pup1008 I'm all for it in built up areas, I think it could have been better thought out on wider roads with no obvious dangers to life, limb or property. The point was the exaggerated faux anger at a relatively unimportant issue.
@@JubularBiker I think any driver worth his salt or licence would or should drive appropriately in certain areas. What I worry about is that this is the thin end of a wedge where authorities are given authorisation to fleece good people & drivers of hard earned cash for the faux pas of maybe being a mile or two above an arbitrarily enforced limit, an error the equivalent of forgetting to cancel an indicator or possibly leaving your fog lights on! What councils are extremely good at is wasting money so they have to be more creative at generating it outside of the ridiculous rates we now pay for council tax. The unfortunate fact is I'm old & can categorically say we were not knocking people over like skittles before all this " safety enforcement" came into effect. An independent & now hushed up study by the DfT also showed a negligible difference between the incident rates in 20 and 30mph zones. The other thing I would say to you is that if this is all about safety, I don't know if we'll have motorbikes around in 20 years time with this trajectory and the fanatical lunatics enforcing it.....
Meh, it's a bit bollocks really. Not so bad in inner cities and I've never found a reason to drive more than 20 in a housing estate to be honest, but when major through roads are reduced to 20 mph for no other reason than they have streetlamps it gets tiresome very quickly. Try being the guy doing 20 on the B4245 during peak times and tell me it isn't stressful when you have 20 cars behind you all trying to climb in your tailpack. But, Drakeford wants me riding around in 1st gear so I'll do what I have to do to avoid the fine and the points.
How many of the people complaining about the 20mph limit actually did 30mph when that was the law, they are moaning because when it was 30mph they would be doing around 35mph
So what? I've been driving a long time & we weren't knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago! This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines. It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way!
I live in Wales and most now seem to be driving at 30-40mph in the 20mph huge areas and ignoring the old 20mph school zones......20mph Limit = The Idea of someone with a lower IQ than a rocking horse.
Until you get one or two fines so points on your license you will be completely happy with these new limits, two or one mph over the 20 mph limit will be enough for the police to have you, lets see how smug you are about these new rules then. You drive a van, is that part of your job, four fines later you lose your license so bang goes your job. :-( insurances go up too. I agree with you that most of the time you travel below 20mph anyway in towns, villages the city, but now the authorities have now got another form of tax for the bank accounts of local authority's to plunder and spend on some other madcap scheme. Good luck lovely welsh people. :-)
Except in Wales we have a Wales wide enforcement in line with NPCC guidelines of 10%+2. Also we have Speed awareness courses so that would be 5 times. If someone is that poor a driver then we’re better off without them on the road.
I'm not saying I'm happy about it in all cases, my point is that it's hardly as important as people are making out. It's not the biggest issue we have.
I think you have not fully assessed your own video. You make comments on vehicles following right on your back wheel. Drivers becoming frustrated by you complying to 20mph, drivers making aggressive overtakes even when not advancing distance past you. All scenarios mentioned put motorcyclists at risk of injury. If when taking a car or motorcycle driving test, you drive in a hesitant manner, it is deemed as a dangerous manoeuvre and is an instant fail. The reasoning been that you are causing frustration in other road users, which leads to them making aggressive dangerous manoeuvres. 20mph speed limits have a use in the correct locations such as vicinity of a school. Unfortunately the Welsh authorities are simply using statistics presented in a manipulated fashion to portray an distorted picture of reality to enable them to enforce their political ideals and use the speed reductions as a tool for social engineering with an aim of making it increasingly difficult for people to travel, all in the name of the great green agenda. I can guarantee that when Labour comes to power nationaly, the 20mph blanket will be rolled out nationwide, swiftly followed by pay per mile to drive. We are now on the brink of descending into very dangerous times for freedom of movement.
I don't feel at risk by doing 20mph, or by being overtaken. They are aware of my presence, so 90% of the time on a motorcycle that means you'll be OK. You're in more danger by not being seen, or by passing a junction where a vehicle is waiting to emerge. You'll see a 1000 videos of bikers going too fast towards a junction and getting killed, not so many for travelling too slowly.😂
@JubularBiker I think if you are not concerned about having cars tailgate you and making rash overtaking manoeuvres, you really need further rider training. I think we will agree to disagree on the 20mph limit. I think in reality, this has little to do with safety. It is just a means for pushing a left wing green agenda on to a majority of the population who are clearly opposed to these speed limits. Basically, social engineering at the cost of democracy.
I think it is a brilliant idea ! Won't make a blind bit of difference in journey times . But might save a few lives , or impacts and outcomes less horrific. At 1.40 the blue car whizzing past ,just to break and stop ? Probably hates the new 20 mph limit and his life , ?
30mph you can stay in a higher gear save money, you travel 10 miles in an hour so you can leave home later spend more time with your family an still get there the the same time as the person doing 20mph.
Im a biker, they way they brought this in has to be questioned as it just seems like its an agender to make everyones lives a misery driving. Don t get me wrong 20mph outside schools, built up areas and hospitals or roads that have had accidents on i get it. However what the goverment and peoole seem to forget is where's the education for pedestrians (green cross code) on how to cross a road etc. I ve had young teenagers just walk out on me a number of times not even looking at the road as their life are in those fooking phones 🤷♂️ This blanket roll out i just don t agree with you on simply because if 30mph road has never had any accidents for 50 years then way put it to a 20mph 🤷♂️ there are a few roads in merthyr thats been 30 for way over 40 years with no accidents or anything so why waste money changing things that don t need changing. Just seems that the money wasted resigning could have been spent else where. The dual carriage way by brynmawr is 50 mph to gilwen with average speed cameras with a camera van some days ... really its insane, to me it just looks to be cash generating scheme by road safety under the disguise of safety and the bloody climate change insanity... Im not against road safety im all for it but when does this end with 30 to 20 why not 10 hold a sec lets move it to 5mph.... theres allot of questions to the Welsh assembly on how they collected the data and decided not to put it to the welsh public to vote on...🤷♂️ Anyway my 2 pennies worth.... 😂
100%! I've been driving a long time & we weren't all knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago! This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines. It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way & he continues to laud their "great ideas!" There is a dangerous road where I live & about 10 people have been killed on it in the 30 years we've lived here. Not *ONE* incident was related to speed! A tiny percentage of usually young male idiots *DO* drive sometimes horrendously fast but don't whack me with £100 & 3 points to increase my insurance premium for a fleeting "crime" the equivalent of forgetting to cancel my indicators or turn some hazard lights off in going 2 miles over some arbitrary speed limit! This is ALL about money. If they were about safety & made them some more *MONEY* they'd sort the fecking roads out so you're not swerving to avoid "moon craters" all the time! 😡
Interesting Areas of Scotland just brought it in many areas a while ago without publishing it. Wales made sure everyone knew well in advance. So everyone has got all silly. It’s like the Wales wide enforcement figures. Despite the fact that they were published you’ll find loads of inaccurate reporting. Regarding money making I’d love to know on what planet people can make money when for example, there are no fixed cameras in Gwynedd or Ynys Mon, there are very few camera vans, the sites are published an of course there’s the thresholds. All this against the huge costs of any serious / fatal RTC. The AI alone is £2.5M per fatal / serious individual. So on top of that there’s the responders and their kit including the Helimed team and the chopper or Coastguard helicopter. Then the public loses too with round here often a 30 mile diversion after usually an hour or two stuck before being able to get back out. Generally there’s 1000 or more over the 4-8 hours the road can be closed. The Revenue generator argument is quite wrong
@@craigyllyn Really? How long before they *DO* put cameras up or have more vociferous enforcement? How long before we are made to have "black boxes" in all our cars & potentially dangerous sports like horse riding or mountain climbing are banned? Speed is a factor in a lot of horrendous accidents but that is idiotic, mostly young males doing what idiotic, mostly young males have unfortunately done since the invention of the motorcar driving EXCESSIVELY & inappropriately fast! Throw the fecking book at them or me if I jump a red light or am caught using my phone whilst behind the wheel but *HOW DARE YOU* set out to dishonestly obtain revenue for a "crime" of doing 22 in a 20 which for a fleeting moment, is an "offense" that is the equivalent of forgetting to cancel an indicator or turn your lights on or off! 😡 If you don't think this is about revenue generation you are deluded. The *QE2 Bridge* had it written into statue law that it would be free once the construction costs had been paid which they were about 20 years back & they are *STILL* charging people & have now had the audacity to start charging people for using the Blackwall tunnel which was probably paid off half a century ago! The government commissioned a study on the stats for accidents in 2018 which showed there to be effectively *NO* difference in the frequency and severity of incidents between 20 & 30mph - So why is all the madness still going ahead? 🤑🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰💰🫰🫰🫰🫰
@@pup1008 yep really. 1. There’s very few possible locations to place vans. Otherwise they’d have done it years ago. What people don’t realise is that here in Wales there are 2 criteria for van sites. The first is community concern where it’s a direct response to complaints from residents. If on attending the second criterion isn’t met then they’ll not do it. The second criterion is for a high percentage of high speeds . Often a location fails on that alone. Then it has to be logistically possible to put a van there. In many locations that isn’t possible. So then assuming all that was to be achieved then there’s the minor issue of getting to them. There’s very few people who can do it plus of course there is weather to factor in as well. 2. Fixed camera then? Well as before they’d have done it years ago if they could. They can’t and won’t for myriad of reasons. 3. Last time I looked the QE and Blackwall are in the south east of England. It’s not Wales. The bridges on the M4 into Wales had tolls removed a few years ago . So I’m not sure that has any relevance to speed cameras that are nearer to Ireland than there. 3. Certainly the numbers of fatalities saved have been openly confirmed as being single figures a year but when everything is taken into account it’s effectively saving money within 2 years. That’s the revenue- most within the NHS . Not cameras. 4. There’s supposed to be a research study and they’ve found the real difference overall is 2.5mph. We’re finding it as fast and sometimes faster. Essentially people can maintain a speed and get out of junctions easily. I’m surprised that one section I use a lot often is quicker in the 20’s then as it changes to the 30 it often a short distance along just gets bogged down . Hopefully you found all that useful . Bit longwinded😩 but it’s a dry subject
Yes it matters. If the police enforce it everyone will be fined and insurance premiums will go up. Britain is not an unsafe country as far as motoring is concerned and this was needless. Just another example of the nanny state. I hope people remember come election time. But being Wales I fear not.
I don't think it makes much difference at all. At least it may very well help to slow down the idiots who speed all the time. If you do a journey and then check your average speed at the end, it's always lower than you would think. We have 20mph zones where I live and not many drivers stick to it. Why do a lot of people think they are going to get anywhere faster. Our roads were never designed for the actual traffic that they handle. We basically live in a Victorian traffic/ transport situation. Nothing has changed with the road situation for such a long time. If the Road system had been designed correctly then we would have a much more modern system . Instead it's it's old and decrepid. 🙁☹️
So what? I've been driving a long time & we weren't knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago! This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines. It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way!
Also there's something soothing about watching a video of someone ride a bike. Makes me miss riding with my dad. He's not dead. He just can't ride anymore.
True, I think the anger is a perceived control of freedom. It is annoying on some roads, but mostly it's OK. The good roads to drive or ride on are still national speed limit or 50mph anyway.
@@JubularBiker - do you ride an old FS1E, I ride a CBR1100 and it is dangerous trying to stay below 20mph and the bike has to be in 2nd and it is very throttle responsive in 2nd and my eyes are almost glued to the speedo - 20mph is going to increase road accidents amoungst vehicles and pedestrians plus the masses of added poison added to the environment as people are stuck in 2nd gear to prevent constant stalling - plus a huge increase in engine wear costs to the motorists.
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Planes at Cardiff Airport struggle to take off at 20mph :)
Will you upload the video when you get points and a fine for inadvertently doing 24mph. It can happen, very easily. That will be interesting to watch.
Oh yes, I definitely will. You're not wrong about that.
@@JubularBiker All the people waving the flag for the new snail pace will be tested when they get their speeding tickets in the post. Tunes will be changing 😂
It’ll take a damned long time. They’re not nicking at that speed. They used to but they’re not for ages. And anyway up here the sites are virtually all in 30’s anyway 😂😂😂
So to be clear unless you’re nicked within 18 months ( and if you have well stop complaining. You should have paid attention at the course ) you’re going to be offered a course so no points. But if you’re not going to be able to keep within 10% +2 plus the speedo over read then well….. what the flaming whotsit were you doing ? You certainly weren’t being competent were you…
@@craigyllyn Reckless driving and inattentiveness on the road (staring at the Speedo anyone) is what gets people killed. Speed, within reason, is only a factor if you actually hit something. Keep focussed on the road, not the Speedo, and you won't hit anything. The vast majority of drivers don't drive like nutters anyway and you won't change the ones who do, until they grow up. Actually it's the slow drivers that cause the most problems in my experience. And the middle lane hoggers, and tailgaters ( there will be more of them now). So, you don't realise yet that the whole idea of these speed restrictions, ULEZ etc is to eventually get us all off the roads? It is happening globally. Funny that! We're really going to enjoy riding our powerful motorcycles at 20. Happy Days 🙄
HGV drivers will have to spend more nights sleeping out because you slowed down their day.
But how would MP's understand such a thing ?
What speed, on average does traffic move through UK cities without the 20mph limit?
Not just in Cities though is it,i agree some places should be 20mph and most places i agree with were that before the blanket roll out they just did but 20mph in every old 30mph zone just daft.@@JubularBiker
@@teggsy2165it’s not a blanket roll out though. That is just something people against the new speed limit say. I still drive on 30mph, and where there is a chance of interaction between pedestrians and vehicles, it’s sensible to reduce the speed limit. All these “what-about-isms” are laughable. People will adjust, and this will all be forgotten soon enough.
@@teggsy2165 just to make it clear yet again it’s not a blanket limit. It’s really tiresome having to keep on repeating it.
@craigyllyn They only read the headlines, the media sell papers, the public blindly follow...it's the way of the world. Those same people don't use bus lanes, because they can't see the smaller print where it states at what times it is buses only. Shame really, but people just like to remain ignorant of facts.
99% of us agree that there are 20mph roads where it makes sense and ones where it doesn't.
No prizes for guessing which ones the camera vans will gravitate towards so is it a scam? Yes it is.
Steptoes Pony overtakes modern cars in Wales.
Haha, tidy.
But a donkey brought in the rule
I think you are missing the point its not just in towns and citys its also out on country roads and roads that bypass citys
No, it's purely where people live.
@@JubularBiker have you been to north Wales
@@twotriumphs7398I live up there. It’s absolutely fine in Gwynedd and Ynys Mon. Lots of 30’s. Well signposted too smooth journeys not taking longer.
@@craigyllyn - I live in North Wales also and most now seem to be driving at 30-40mph in the 20mph huge areas and ignoring the old 20mph school zones......20mph Limit = The Idea of someone with a lower IQ than a rocking horse.
@@cloudbasenirvana certainly not like that over here in Bangor or on Ynys Mon. But of course we don’t have huge 20mph areas . We do have lots of 30’s though
I think it was ‘advertised’ poorly. They worded its arrival as that ‘most’ 30mph roads were now going to be 20. In reality, it’s not really that many roads. My 27 mile commute is probably 10-15 seconds longer now. I do feel sorry for people living at the end of long valleys though. It’s not the same change for all of us.
There are simply bigger fish to fry. I mean, the fuss about this 20mph limit is pretty insane. Some roads are difficult at 20mph, but 80% of them are fine from my experience so far.
There's a rumour that a bunch of snails got speeding tickets when they held their annual marathon. Mind how you go.
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Flip and Dip numberplate holder = problem solved 😂
Yes, you go for it.😊
Why were you not filtering to the front of the queue at the traffic lights? What’s the point of having a motorcycle in traffic? Take the hint from the car’s overtaking you, Grandad.
The cars that overtook you were probably having to drive at around15 mph to maintain a safe distance. The route you took is part of my daily commute and that part of the journey is easily taking me twice as long. During 'rush' hour I am routinely finding it takes at least twice as long. Yes, this new speed limit is having a big impact on people's daily lives.
OK, but that is not how physics works. If I was doing 20mph, they would also maintain a distance that is set at the same speed. 😂
@@JubularBiker actually in physics there's the phenomenon called the Accordion Effect that affects the speed of objects travelling in a line. At 30 mph an hour it's not too bad because the slower moving objects will travel at approximately 25 mph which is tolerable. However, at 20 mph the objects caught in the ripple back end up travelling at 15 mph which is stupidly slow.
@@jessc2064 OK, I'll leave you to think that.
So what is it you are exactly saying? 🤔
Is reading not your strong pont? 😮😂
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Fair enough you do say in the description header, just wondered in conclusion of you you were for our against?
@pup1008 I'm all for it in built up areas, I think it could have been better thought out on wider roads with no obvious dangers to life, limb or property. The point was the exaggerated faux anger at a relatively unimportant issue.
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I think any driver worth his salt or licence would or should drive appropriately in certain areas.
What I worry about is that this is the thin end of a wedge where authorities are given authorisation to fleece good people & drivers of hard earned cash for the faux pas of maybe being a mile or two above an arbitrarily enforced limit, an error the equivalent of forgetting to cancel an indicator or possibly leaving your fog lights on!
What councils are extremely good at is wasting money so they have to be more creative at generating it outside of the ridiculous rates we now pay for council tax.
The unfortunate fact is I'm old & can categorically say we were not knocking people over like skittles before all this " safety enforcement" came into effect. An independent & now hushed up study by the DfT also showed a negligible difference between the incident rates in 20 and 30mph zones.
The other thing I would say to you is that if this is all about safety, I don't know if we'll have motorbikes around in 20 years time with this trajectory and the fanatical lunatics enforcing it.....
Is this 20mph law for all vehicles or just motos?
My old Ducati 1098 protested at 30 mph she didn't like it . But 20 would have been unbearable.
Meh, it's a bit bollocks really. Not so bad in inner cities and I've never found a reason to drive more than 20 in a housing estate to be honest, but when major through roads are reduced to 20 mph for no other reason than they have streetlamps it gets tiresome very quickly. Try being the guy doing 20 on the B4245 during peak times and tell me it isn't stressful when you have 20 cars behind you all trying to climb in your tailpack. But, Drakeford wants me riding around in 1st gear so I'll do what I have to do to avoid the fine and the points.
How many of the people complaining about the 20mph limit actually did 30mph when that was the law, they are moaning because when it was 30mph they would be doing around 35mph
So what? I've been driving a long time & we weren't knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago!
This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines.
It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way!
I live in Wales and most now seem to be driving at 30-40mph in the 20mph huge areas and ignoring the old 20mph school zones......20mph Limit = The Idea of someone with a lower IQ than a rocking horse.
Wow, e bikes can do that...
Safer for e bike riders
Scooters can do 20mph as well and even faster if they're the electronic type.
They sure can
Until you get one or two fines so points on your license you will be completely happy with these new limits, two or one mph over the 20 mph limit will be enough for the police to have you, lets see how smug you are about these new rules then. You drive a van, is that part of your job, four fines later you lose your license so bang goes your job. :-( insurances go up too. I agree with you that most of the time you travel below 20mph anyway in towns, villages the city, but now the authorities have now got another form of tax for the bank accounts of local authority's to plunder and spend on some other madcap scheme. Good luck lovely welsh people. :-)
Except in Wales we have a Wales wide enforcement in line with NPCC guidelines of 10%+2.
Also we have Speed awareness courses so that would be 5 times. If someone is that poor a driver then we’re better off without them on the road.
I'm not saying I'm happy about it in all cases, my point is that it's hardly as important as people are making out. It's not the biggest issue we have.
I think you have not fully assessed your own video. You make comments on vehicles following right on your back wheel. Drivers becoming frustrated by you complying to 20mph, drivers making aggressive overtakes even when not advancing distance past you. All scenarios mentioned put motorcyclists at risk of injury. If when taking a car or motorcycle driving test, you drive in a hesitant manner, it is deemed as a dangerous manoeuvre and is an instant fail. The reasoning been that you are causing frustration in other road users, which leads to them making aggressive dangerous manoeuvres. 20mph speed limits have a use in the correct locations such as vicinity of a school. Unfortunately the Welsh authorities are simply using statistics presented in a manipulated fashion to portray an distorted picture of reality to enable them to enforce their political ideals and use the speed reductions as a tool for social engineering with an aim of making it increasingly difficult for people to travel, all in the name of the great green agenda. I can guarantee that when Labour comes to power nationaly, the 20mph blanket will be rolled out nationwide, swiftly followed by pay per mile to drive. We are now on the brink of descending into very dangerous times for freedom of movement.
I don't feel at risk by doing 20mph, or by being overtaken. They are aware of my presence, so 90% of the time on a motorcycle that means you'll be OK. You're in more danger by not being seen, or by passing a junction where a vehicle is waiting to emerge. You'll see a 1000 videos of bikers going too fast towards a junction and getting killed, not so many for travelling too slowly.😂
@JubularBiker I think if you are not concerned about having cars tailgate you and making rash overtaking manoeuvres, you really need further rider training. I think we will agree to disagree on the 20mph limit. I think in reality, this has little to do with safety. It is just a means for pushing a left wing green agenda on to a majority of the population who are clearly opposed to these speed limits. Basically, social engineering at the cost of democracy.
My FJR used to get angry doing 20mph!
I think it is a brilliant idea ! Won't make a blind bit of difference in journey times . But might save a few lives , or impacts and outcomes less horrific.
At 1.40 the blue car whizzing past ,just to break and stop ? Probably hates the new 20 mph limit and his life , ?
30mph you can stay in a higher gear save money, you travel 10 miles in an hour so you can leave home later spend more time with your family an still get there the the same time as the person doing 20mph.
It’s just another way to cause technical infringements to generate fines.
Im a biker, they way they brought this in has to be questioned as it just seems like its an agender to make everyones lives a misery driving.
Don t get me wrong 20mph outside schools, built up areas and hospitals or roads that have had accidents on i get it.
However what the goverment and peoole seem to forget is where's the education for pedestrians (green cross code) on how to cross a road etc. I ve had young teenagers just walk out on me a number of times not even looking at the road as their life are in those fooking phones 🤷♂️
This blanket roll out i just don t agree with you on simply because if 30mph road has never had any accidents for 50 years then way put it to a 20mph 🤷♂️ there are a few roads in merthyr thats been 30 for way over 40 years with no accidents or anything so why waste money changing things that don t need changing. Just seems that the money wasted resigning could have been spent else where.
The dual carriage way by brynmawr is 50 mph to gilwen with average speed cameras with a camera van some days ... really its insane, to me it just looks to be cash generating scheme by road safety under the disguise of safety and the bloody climate change insanity...
Im not against road safety im all for it but when does this end with 30 to 20 why not 10 hold a sec lets move it to 5mph.... theres allot of questions to the Welsh assembly on how they collected the data and decided not to put it to the welsh public to vote on...🤷♂️
Anyway my 2 pennies worth....
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100%!
I've been driving a long time & we weren't all knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago!
This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines.
It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way & he continues to laud their "great ideas!"
There is a dangerous road where I live & about 10 people have been killed on it in the 30 years we've lived here. Not *ONE* incident was related to speed!
A tiny percentage of usually young male idiots *DO* drive sometimes horrendously fast but don't whack me with £100 & 3 points to increase my insurance premium for a fleeting "crime" the equivalent of forgetting to cancel my indicators or turn some hazard lights off in going 2 miles over some arbitrary speed limit!
This is ALL about money. If they were about safety & made them some more *MONEY* they'd sort the fecking roads out so you're not swerving to avoid "moon craters" all the time! 😡
Interesting Areas of Scotland just brought it in many areas a while ago without publishing it. Wales made sure everyone knew well in advance. So everyone has got all silly. It’s like the Wales wide enforcement figures. Despite the fact that they were published you’ll find loads of inaccurate reporting.
Regarding money making I’d love to know on what planet people can make money when for example, there are no fixed cameras in Gwynedd or Ynys Mon, there are very few camera vans, the sites are published an of course there’s the thresholds. All this against the huge costs of any serious / fatal RTC. The AI alone is £2.5M per fatal / serious individual. So on top of that there’s the responders and their kit including the Helimed team and the chopper or Coastguard helicopter. Then the public loses too with round here often a 30 mile diversion after usually an hour or two stuck before being able to get back out. Generally there’s 1000 or more over the 4-8 hours the road can be closed. The Revenue generator argument is quite wrong
@@craigyllyn
Really?
How long before they *DO* put cameras up or have more vociferous enforcement? How long before we are made to have "black boxes" in all our cars & potentially dangerous sports like horse riding or mountain climbing are banned?
Speed is a factor in a lot of horrendous accidents but that is idiotic, mostly young males doing what idiotic, mostly young males have unfortunately done since the invention of the motorcar driving EXCESSIVELY & inappropriately fast! Throw the fecking book at them or me if I jump a red light or am caught using my phone whilst behind the wheel but *HOW DARE YOU* set out to dishonestly obtain revenue for a "crime" of doing 22 in a 20 which for a fleeting moment, is an "offense" that is the equivalent of forgetting to cancel an indicator or turn your lights on or off! 😡
If you don't think this is about revenue generation you are deluded. The *QE2 Bridge* had it written into statue law that it would be free once the construction costs had been paid which they were about 20 years back & they are *STILL* charging people & have now had the audacity to start charging people for using the Blackwall tunnel which was probably paid off half a century ago!
The government commissioned a study on the stats for accidents in 2018 which showed there to be effectively *NO* difference in the frequency and severity of incidents between 20 & 30mph - So why is all the madness still going ahead? 🤑🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰💰🫰🫰🫰🫰
@@pup1008 yep really.
1. There’s very few possible locations to place vans. Otherwise they’d have done it years ago. What people don’t realise is that here in Wales there are 2 criteria for van sites. The first is community concern where it’s a direct response to complaints from residents. If on attending the second criterion isn’t met then they’ll not do it. The second criterion is for a high percentage of high speeds . Often a location fails on that alone. Then it has to be logistically possible to put a van there. In many locations that isn’t possible. So then assuming all that was to be achieved then there’s the minor issue of getting to them. There’s very few people who can do it plus of course there is weather to factor in as well.
2. Fixed camera then? Well as before they’d have done it years ago if they could. They can’t and won’t for myriad of reasons.
3. Last time I looked the QE and Blackwall are in the south east of England. It’s not Wales. The bridges on the M4 into Wales had tolls removed a few years ago . So I’m not sure that has any relevance to speed cameras that are nearer to Ireland than there.
3. Certainly the numbers of fatalities saved have been openly confirmed as being single figures a year but when everything is taken into account it’s effectively saving money within 2 years. That’s the revenue- most within the NHS . Not cameras.
4. There’s supposed to be a research study and they’ve found the real difference overall is 2.5mph. We’re finding it as fast and sometimes faster. Essentially people can maintain a speed and get out of junctions easily.
I’m surprised that one section I use a lot often is quicker in the 20’s then as it changes to the 30 it often a short distance along just gets bogged down .
Hopefully you found all that useful . Bit longwinded😩 but it’s a dry subject
Yes it matters. If the police enforce it everyone will be fined and insurance premiums will go up. Britain is not an unsafe country as far as motoring is concerned and this was needless. Just another example of the nanny state. I hope people remember come election time. But being Wales I fear not.
I don't think it makes much difference at all. At least it may very well help to slow down the idiots who speed all the time. If you do a journey and then check your average speed at the end, it's always lower than you would think. We have 20mph zones where I live and not many drivers stick to it. Why do a lot of people think they are going to get anywhere faster. Our roads were never designed for the actual traffic that they handle. We basically live in a Victorian traffic/ transport situation. Nothing has changed with the road situation for such a long time. If the Road system had been designed correctly then we would have a much more modern system . Instead it's it's old and decrepid. 🙁☹️
I couldn't agree more.
So what? I've been driving a long time & we weren't knocking people over like skittles 30 years ago!
This is a cynical attempt to drag more money out of your pockets in trumped up speeding fines.
It's also the "nanny state" & this gentleman will not have his motorbike in 20 years if the current "safety mafia" have their way!
I have to stay in first gear to do 20 on my Ducati 1098 it’s bloody stupid kids Are holding year ears as I ride passed at 4000 revs it’s about money 💰
Yeah for the most part any road that's a 20 I've rarely been able to do more than 20 in anyway :D
Also there's something soothing about watching a video of someone ride a bike. Makes me miss riding with my dad. He's not dead. He just can't ride anymore.
Our mountain passes have also been reduced from 60 to 40 where they've been infected with wind farms.
Yup, those pesky windmills changed the limits for sure.
you should be employed by the welsh gov, your not a biker and should be on a pushbike
Awwwwwwwwww
People moan about it then drive 40 in a 50. Or 50 in a 70.
True, I think the anger is a perceived control of freedom. It is annoying on some roads, but mostly it's OK. The good roads to drive or ride on are still national speed limit or 50mph anyway.
@@JubularBiker - do you ride an old FS1E, I ride a CBR1100 and it is dangerous trying to stay below 20mph and the bike has to be in 2nd and it is very throttle responsive in 2nd and my eyes are almost glued to the speedo - 20mph is going to increase road accidents amoungst vehicles and pedestrians plus the masses of added poison added to the environment as people are stuck in 2nd gear to prevent constant stalling - plus a huge increase in engine wear costs to the motorists.