Oregon State and Washington State still face major questions for 2024 l Pac-12 Podcast
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Oregon State and Washington State have not formalized their schedules just yet, but have made it clear what their plans are. What does that all mean as they look to build rosters in 2024?
On today's episode of Locked On Pac-12, Spencer McLaughlin also looks at more potential QB movement for current Pac-12 teams. Will one-time starting QB at Arizona Jayden de Laura soon hit the portal and look for a new home?
Many starting quarterbacks have already decided to enter the transfer portal across College Football. That reality is reflective of another broken element of the greatest sport in the world.
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OSU did better last year w/o DJ or AC. Gulbranson is actually a pretty decent quarterback.
He should get more credit for
a number of things. He didn't
do too badly against Florida,
did he ?
Ben Gulbranson not only exudes loyalty and integrity; but also understands the meaning of the word COMMITMENT. Let’s not forget, he directed several wins last season and was named the MVP of the Las Vegas Bowl in a 30-3 blowout of an SEC opponent….
The Sun Bowl should be fun.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Spencer what your thoughts about NCAA president Charlie Baker proposing that there should be third division 1 group. This would include the elite and wealthy schools. We are on the verge of having two super conferences. Those schools will split off from the NCAA. Ways things are going I don’t see how Big 12 and ACC remain power conferences. Only have two power conferences Big Ten and SEC. If the ACC does survive this realignment it probably be group of 7.
@@tylernelson3343 Friday!
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Spencer another question for you. Outside of Washington State and Oregon State which schools have the most to lose if NCAA proposal goes through. How much more power does this give to the Power 2 conferences and the networks like ESPN and Fox
A couple of recent developments. Oregon state and Oregon will continue the Civil War Game for the foreseeable future - and WSU-UW will also continue with the Apple Cup. Oregon State also announced Ben Gulbranson as quarterback for Notre dame. He was the final quarterback in the 2022 10 game winning season for the Beavers.
I don't like the transfer portal in December, either, but there is actually a good reason that it opens in December. The reason is that most schools start a new semester in January. Players transferring need a couple of weeks to pack their bags, leave one school, transfer their credits, and enroll and get settled in a new school. That's the reason for the December portal. It's also probably the reason for the early signing date, though I actually think that the early signing date could and should be moved to August.
Does school even matter anymore? No normal student can transfer every year and stay on track.. none unless the system is gaming itself to laterally allow them to stay sorta kinda like they are on track. It's a joke.
They're a lot closer to athlete-students than student athletes
as a beaver we have not seen much from chiles so it is no big loss. gilbranson led us to a 10 win season
Actually, this is the most least surprising thing to happen to Beaver Nation this offseason. It sucks, but hard to imagine too many Beavs were caught off guard by this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just another Tuesday for us, unfortunately
There is going to be dozens of 3 and 4 star quarterbacks in the portal. There will be lots of options.
speaking about Oregon St and Washington St's future football schedule, a similar model of what BYU football did for 13 years as a football independent, would/could also work for OSU and WSU for the next couple years. In 2022 BYU even had a schedule where they beat 5 Pac-12 teams and Virginia from the ACC and ended up ranked #13 in the final college football playoff rankings that year. Had BYU not suffered an upset home loss to Boise St then BYU would have been in the top ten and playing in a New Years 6 game. So, could following a similar model to what BYU, also work for Oregon St and Washington St?
Great Q
You’re totally right about the CFB schedule. One point though is to start the HS commitments stating after college regular season ends, to allow the coaches to focus on the base rebuild, then the grad portal will be effect as well, for the possible one year placements. Transfer portal for everyone else in late January though February and then again after spring ball is better for keeping interest in the off season.
The biggest problem, IMO, is the firing and hiring of coaches. The timing of these hires when the season hasn’t finished is driven by recruiting and the transfer portal now. It’s ridiculous that a coach doesn’t finish their season with the team they have a contract with. Don’t get me started on guaranteed money!
You would think Cal and Stanford would want to play OSU and WSU semi regularly at least.
These games would be unlikely from a financial standpoint. OSU and WSU need to play power 5 schools but Stanford and Cal matchups won't pay the bills.
When they're going to the ACC, they don't need to
I think Jake Dickert, should target the top junior college football players? It would eliminate for sure the very first year of needing funding $ for them towards NIL! Being that WSU Cougs aren't rich like other schools. Ex- WSU Coach Mike Price, made his career with his share of junior college transfers football Players.
I don't think that's a bad strategy at all
Great response on the Transfer Portal.
My thoughts:
Until and unless employment becomes an option and a CBA is on the table, we need to do the following:
1. Turn the Transfer Portal into an Opt Out, not an Opt In.
I am so very tired of seeing 1500 "Good Bye" graphics from players. It's become almost required, and is such an inefficient process. Just have everyone automatically be eligible for contact once the Portal Window opens. Have an Opt Out for players that are happy where they are. This would stop a lot of tampering issues out there where you aren't quite sure if someone is in the portal or not.
2. Move the Transfer Portal window to the day after the natty.
With everyone entering the portal unless they Opt Out, let's stop having a two-tiered recruiting off season. One for those that make bowl games and one for those that do not. This basically creates an exclusive negotiation rights window for current teams to try to keep their own players until the season is actually over. Talk them into Opting Out.
You can't. These are students. They need to transfer for academics before February.
@@daveonezero6258 Nearly every single college has ways to expedite people's entry. And, if they are coming in for athletics, the entire department is going to ensure they are welcomed correctly.
Hi Jason
Taylen Green to Oregon State! Git-R-Done
#KeepItOrange
Not a bad option, but idk if he leaves Boise St
Awesome show! I like how you actually research your topics. I’m hoping you switch to the Big 10 “west” next year! I really enjoyed your takes.
I was thinking the same thing! Spencer is the best.
Thank you! Stay tuned
@@8d4o0c4 yes, agreed. It’s not rehashed speculation and very little bias. If he doesn’t do Big 10 coverage I guess I’ll follow his duck channel and just fast forward through the duck parts.
Good call on Jayden De Laura. Not sure if he has many options. Barnes from Utah going to a G5 team is basically Oregon St. at this time and would be a catch for the Beaves. He would help them immediately as well.
I'm guessing Washington being in the Big 10 will be an asset to recruiting the WRs next year. Telling a kid he will get Big 10 exposure is appealing and playing certain top tier Big 10 schools with the new Big 10 west schools which are appealing to play against.
Lots of chess pieces to move around
Think about it, if this season's OSU team was to play what their 2024 schedule is expected to be, they'd likely win 11 games. If Smith had stayed, with Chiles as our QB, Martinez returning, the Beavs are a contender for the 12 team playoff next year. Power 5 or not, who wouldn't want the opportunity to play for a national championship?
What are you smoking? You understand they won't be able to recruit any talent right? 11 wins? Contenders for the 12 team playoff? Dude. IF they kept Smith and Chiles (they are gone) and Martinez (straying), they still can't replenish those who left as they are not in a Power 5 conference or have an independent reputation like Notre Dame. They are done even if they coach stayed. Dead man (team) walking. You don't know how hard it is to recruit without the Power 5 conference and get money. Corvallis isn't a destination place as well.
@@baileym4708 Bro, I completely understand they aren't going to recruit at the P5 level. But, that's not to say they can't out recruit Mountain West schools. The point is, if you can succeed at the Group of Five level, you're gonna get your shot. Even now, you got Liberty in a New Years 6 bowl. When the playoffs expand, a G5 team is getting in, whether it's a Fresno State, Tulane, or App State. Why can't OSU, a school with a leg up on most G5 schools, be dominant enough to be a perennial G5 power for the immediate future? Whether it happens or not, only time will tell. Ultimately, if the Beavs can continue to win, under these circumstances, moving back up to a Power Five Conference in the future, is not out of the question.
Oregon State already hired an OC FYI
Who?
@@robreid9405Ryan Gunderson who is a native Oregonian, OSU football alum, and until recently the UCLA QB coach.
I like that hire! Nice
College basketball is now in full swing and I know you are a big college basketball fan, so after beating UCLA and USC so far this year, Gonzaga now has a 16-game win streak over Pac-12 teams with a game at the U of Washington on Saturday. What sort of chance do you give Washington to pull the upset at home against #7 Gonzaga? Also, if Gonzaga beats Washington and extends their Pac-17 win streak to 17, will there be any future Pac-12 teams for Gonzaga to play, or will Gonzaga's Pac-12 win steak be permanently stuck at 17?
I'm here for a CBB question!!
I figured this was a forgone conclusion when Smith left. I always thought Ben should have been the #2 guy. Excited to see him start in the Bowl.
The reason is the academic schedule. Decouple that, which will happen soon anyway, and you can have your streamlined marketing opportunities.
It should be pretty easy to navigate tbh
OrSt schedule is clear - 1 FBS, 6 MWC, 5 P4 while on the WSU front I did get the sense they were just going to play their already scheduled G5 games adding more WMC games. Dickert mentioned Liberty as a comparison from this year, suggesting going undefeated gets them into CFP ... not so sure with that schedule. Beavs take is a heavier P4 schedule increases chances doing similar (going undefeated, 1 loss) get them to CFP.
On TV deal its was my interpretation the P2 are paying MWC for those games where the MWC will leverage their CBS/Fox broadcast for all game either home or away. OrSt will gang up on as many P4 away games to get paydays and leverage those teams Conference Media provider for TV coverage.
OrSt reported ranked 20th in viewership, 2 behind Oregon at 18th. Cougs were 42nd and Arizona was 71st/last in the Pac12. More eyeballs were on Beavs in 2023. A tough schedule and winning will be required to do it again in 2024.
Beavs/Cougs' schedule in 2024 is better than Liberty's this year
Actually ND no longer needs a game for next year. The Bowl people announced that ND was playing Army at Yankee Stadium as part of its Shamrock series. It hasn't been officially announced, but the bowl people let the cat out of the bag to explain how the Sun Bowl snagged ND. (The delay in the ACC announcing its bowls was the Pinstripe Bowl debating whether they wanted ND, because they knew that ND was coming in September against Army.)
Still, lots of good teams available for a game
Disagree with the transfer portal moving to January. The are college students wanting to move from one school to another. Most schools with the semester schedule will have already begun the 2nd semester by the end of January. How does a player transfer from Pate State to Spencer U when he can’t even enter the portal until after he has to enroll at his next school?
I do agree that the portal opening in December is a problem. I just don’t think that moving it to late January is a better idea.
1. Spencer U has tremendous fundraising, open applilcations
2. Early January could work?
The point behind the question about QBs from power vs lower conferences was that we should not assume that a great G5 or even FCS QB will or should want to portal up to a P4. (But then there is the NIL money coming from the P4s only. I get it.)
Gotcha
we are 2- 0 with nd
Hello Spencer ... everydayer here .... I believe that Jayden de Laura would have to sit out one year ... he already used that one free transfer pass when he went from Washington State to Arizona .. I believe the only way that JdL can play immediately ... would be if he is a graduate transfer ... JdL is listed as a Junior on U of A's football website ......
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His freshman year was 2020, so he could easily have graduated if he's got his classes in order and be a grad transfer who can play immediately
PAC 2 + MW
In these times, independent status is a losing proposition. If BYU thought it was so great, why did they join the Big 12 conference? Notre Dame is not a good comparison - they have their own stand-alone TV deal with NBC, tremendous alumni support, location in the middle of B1G country, storied reputation, culture, etc. The PAC-12 put a gun to their own head, but the bullet only struck OSU and WSU. That sucks, but going independent is not a solution IMO. Without a soft landing for those two schools, good luck in the portal. Most players in the portal are trying to improve their situation, not going from the frying pan into the fire.
It's not a great spot to be in. Just pointing out it's happened before
Given the statement the CFP made about FSU’s schedule, nobody is playing in the playoffs who aren’t B1G or SEC. More spots in the playoffs doesn’t mean the system becomes fair. Just means there is even more reason to rig the system for money.
I understand what you’re saying. But, Washington playing in the CFP means a lot of money to the PAC 12, not the Big 10. Same for Texas and the Big 12. Washington played a PAC 12 schedule, not a Big 10 schedule. Washington won the PAC 12 not the Big 10. Texas played a Big 12 schedule not an SEC schedule. Texas won the Big 12 not the SEC.
Yes next year Washington will play in the Big 10. But, that is in 2024 not 2023. Texas will play in the SEC. But, that is in 2024 not 2023.
What if Washington gives Grubb G5 head coach salary to stay at OC? Or is the draw of head coach too much for some. 18:14
He is already making that at $2M
Has anyone said what will happen to the Pac12 bowl tie ins?
Xbowl tie ins died when the playoff started
They'll go to other conferences
Nooooo, not DeLaura!
Is Jayden De Laura eligible to transfer?
He could become a grad transfer yes
It is absolutely insane that the transfer portal is open before bowl season. Completely ridiculous that teams have to deal with on field and major off field situations at the same time. It is not good for the mentality of the players on the team and it is not good business sense from branding or control of the narrative.
Agreed.
There is also a logistical element at play, because these student-athletes need to withdraw from school, get packed, and move to their new schools before the new semester begins... it's a crappy system, I think. @@LockedOnCollegeFootball
@@8d4o0c4 Logistics have been thrown out the window
As has logic. Cannot wait for the travel to games at Rutgers and Maryland in the middle of Fall semester! It's bananas, and I think it is unsustainable.@@LockedOnCollegeFootball
@@8d4o0c4 There's a 1% chance teams one day get cold feet and revert back to what it is now. Prob less than that
Boo is unfortunately not competent. He is a nice guy, with an influential father, who has a degree from a big time football school. He has a very nice resume and ties to major players in the sport.
Who is Boo? Boo Johnson, of the Harlem Globetrotters? Boo Kullberg, Swedish gymnast Olympic gold medalist? Honey Boo-Boo, former reality TV personality?
Go Ducks!!!