I didn't expect that Nellie and Nines would have such great chemistry. Same goes for Jasper and Greg. Also, Victor and Katya. This season has been a delightfully weird one in that regard.
It would not surprise me at all to learn that he does that just to fuck with the players and try to make them feel on edge... I know that as a viewer, if that's what he's doing, it definitely works.
@Alex Australis it is in fact the oldest storyteller trick in the book. Players feeling a little too sure of themselves? Roll some dice, nod mysteriously, write some shit down, and then just stare at them for a while
Ash Minnick plays the typical Ventrue well. Apparently, I just found out, she's a production manager. Nice to see her hobbies include role-playing Vampire The Masquerade or role-playing in general. LOL
Fiona is the definition of good face on a bad game. All she has at the moment was given to her just to teach Victor a lesson and she acts like she somehow deserved it. I really doubt she can hold it if anyone made a conscious decision to take it. That being said, I love the acting in this episode.
Not quite sure, but I think there are few more LA barons that just don't make the appearance. I vaguely recall them mentioning another one in that meeting when Fiona first appeared and Isaac decided to screw Victor over and take away part of his territory.
Can't believe we're already on Epilogues... this season went by so fast. Hope we get Season 5 soon. Though with the quarantine, I guess there's gonna be a bit of delay.
Fiona's big problem is that she's pulling the whole "I don't need people to like me" routine in a society where you very much do need to be liked. In modern times people hide behind money and laws and treat others like scum without consequence. But vampire society is more like back in the dark ages, the only laws are what the powerful can personally enforce. And Fiona isn't personally powerful enough to do that herself. She's strong and vindictive enough that people don't want to mess with her without a good reason, but she thinks that translates into people being afraid of her- but they aren't. Nobody likes Fiona. She has no friends. If someone killed Nelli, then there'd be people who would avenge her or die trying. Nobody would do that for Fiona, which means any threat vanishes with her death and there's no consequences to killing her. She acts like she's in a position to demand things when people only bother with her because she could be useful. She's making it clear that she isn't going to be useful- so would shouldn't someone just kill her. Fiona has no friends in a society where being friendless is ultimately a death sentence.
Theoretically, I would say that what protect Fiona, with the "New Barons", is that they want to appear United and willing to compromise. In Isaac's day Fiona was a pawn Baron, or at the very least a consistent easily predictable asset. Now the new Barons don't smoke her for the simple fact that they want to show that even if they don't like each other the Anarchs are united and that unity is strength. Strength enough to fight off the Prince and his Court, or at the very least make war too costly. I don't know if Fiona is aware of this, if I'm right.
Carver is the one who pulls the "I don't need people to like me" off right. Everyone agrees that he is a bit of an asshole, but he gets shit done and is consistently right and upfront.
@@HenriqueErzinger hes also not a baron though, and yeah, he has the results to show for it. We have yet to see what Fiona has actually accomplished for the Cause. Shes benefiting from the Ceasefire but if she is building up its completely secret, which may be fine, but likely would work better in conjunction with the other barons. She is a reason the anarchs don't appear to be unified that she tried to use to out wit Nelli
Fiona: "Then you'll get a seat at the big girl's table" Me: She already HAS a seat at the "big girl's table". Abbrams chose HER not YOU. If I were Nelli I'd tear YOUR heart out and stuff it in that skull.
Right?!? She's only even here presiding over her tiny little chunk of Victor's valley because Abraams wanted to teach him a lesson. Leave it to a Ventrue to assume unearned power 🤷
I love how FRACKED UP, but appropriate, Fiona's Feeding system is. It's been a long time since we've seen her and I'm happy to see her return with her delicious devious dealings, and that bit with Victor either playing Nelli or disregarding her trauma, I think if Nelli went up to him and said: "Burn this ****ing thing or I will." He'd do it because he cares about her that much, either way, that is definitely Fiona working her ways. 25:48 "A decision or an oversight." is a dangerous question to answer for Nelli, Fiona respects strength so a Decision on Nelli's part to attempt to take her off the board is something she understands and because she seems to have suffered no lasting damage from the trouble she has yet to let on if holding a grudge over it. But if it was an Oversight that lets on to Fiona that Nelli doesn't have full control over her own people and that makes her look unfit to lead and in a position to be dethroned. Another great episode Team thanks y'all!
If I were to hazard a guess, I would assume that the next two epilogues are Annabelle and Carver and Victor and Delilah. First one is a given, as for the second one I hope it is the case, since we only saw Delilah in the first episode of the season and it seems that her and the thin-bloods (or the metal-sounding "duskborn", if you prefer) are going to be very important part of season 5. Wouldn't be surprised if she happpens to be as regular guest as Eva was.
I mean, Annabelle hates his guts. I don't think she respects him, not even as an elder, which is pretty bold to do for a neonate, but she's an Anarch after all. Though, I think his role would have something to do with the Duskborns again. For reasons yet to be determined.
@@Urizen777 Missing the pattern there. Generally the main Coterie members plus some incidentals get Epilogues. Unless you really thought that Jasper's was the thing with X. And Victor has had his.
WOOOOW... Nelli got wrecked. I really would like to know how (lets say) "free" the player are. I mean... How "scripted" are episodes like this one? And Fiona. Well played... efficient as a true Ventrue.
A good question. The players and I know where each episode begins but none of us know where they go or end; that's in the hands of the players and their characters!
Nelli went hard on the bullshit when she said Fiona was the strongest of the Barons she new. She is pretty much the weakest apart from Victor, by a long margin.
@@HenriqueErzinger I don't feel like she's even at Victor's level. Victor makes things move, he has contacts with Cam, Anarchs strongly back him and it feels like nothing gets done without his participation.
I agree with Fiona on the Limo thing. I aways get so angry at Victor when he pulls that crap. When he had the audacity to go to Nelli's party on that car knowing full well how much she hates it I just thought: "What an A*hole!"
It indeed was fucked up. As much as I like Victor, for his charisma and capabilities, he is very much big picture, and that big picture is of his ego. I imagine his concern for nelli’s suffering was overshadowed by the image he could portray by rolling around in the departed Herald’s fancy ride. It’s basically screaming ‘we killed him’ for anyone informed, and that was more valuable to him.
"It's draining to deal with so many who have so little foresight and so little willpower. And yet, it often reminds me of how quickly their fire will burn out. Because they don't see the future like I do, they don't see past ten years, fifteen years...and the reason they don't is because they won't exist that long. You have to see past their plans" Fiona is a real boss, she understands what it takes to lead. Speak softly and carry a big stick. A true ventrue.
Pity she isn't making more friends... Victor, Nelli, and Nines have each other's backs and are ready to make moves when needed. Fiona is the outsider with a smaller base of power
That last bit is a absolutely backward to me. It's because they don't make long term plans that they don't last that long not the other way around. I have to assume that there was some mangling as she improvised her speech.
Fiona (brilliantly portrayed by Ash Minnick) is that daddy's princess who thinks she actually built her career on her own, in daddy's company or one of his friends'. She actually thinks she has won every encountered, intimidated every rival, when in fact other, greater minds have kept her just propped up enough to use as a shield or a taunt in their own affairs, and she decided that meant she was the major player. I think she thinks that she affects other supernatural creatures as easily as she does to mortals, because she can't see them rolling their eyes as they walk away. In vampire society, she is tolerated on bare principles. She's the first piece that anyone would sacrifice, and that no one would mourn. Even Therese has a sympathy-generating side, so to speak, that people are glad to know. Fiona, however, has reached the point of being choked with her own silver spoon. She is too treacherous for the Camarilla to ever let live, and too inflammatory for the anarchs to bother protecting for too long. It's just a matter of time before the ax falls upon her neck that she sticks out so readily, still deluding herself she is subtle. In the end, perhaps it matters not who wields it, for it will come inevitably come from one cause or another.
She reminds me of King midas a little given power that as a ventrue has immediately gone to her head and in the end will lead to her f**King up spectacularly just like midas turning his daughter to gold
Fiona's hubris is genuinely astounding. She was gifted four shitty blocks in the Valley by Abraams just to piss off and punish Victor, and now, Abraams missing in action be damned, she's talking like she's the leader of the anarchs and making decisions about entire baronies. Gotta hand it to her, she's a pro at being given an inch and running a mile with it.
Fiona is playing the only cards she has which is fake it til you make it and never let them see you sweat. Id have just made her disappear like the sofa baron she is.
I so love these but I have to ask why is it vampires take so damn long to get to a point and have to talk around everything? Is it just the Brujah in me that wants to yell get to the point already! *sighs* I could never be a good Tory or Vent. Great episode except too short! Carl you are teasing me way too much, I need more.
First I would love to have seen Nellie leave the box there and told Fiona to have it sent over. I honestly don't know how I would have reacted to Fiona telling my character to fill the skull. But after I did fill it and give it back I would tell her to stick it in a uncomfortable place and not the back of a volkswagen
It would have been awesome if you could do a series of videos which follows each episode with cast discussing the episode, what were they thinking, etc., similar to how it is with Critical Role (I think). : 3
@@JasonCarl Oh hello again Jason, sorry I asked the same question recently under the newest episode of L.A. by Nght, but thank you for answering here as well, you are very patient and kind :) And like I said in my previous answer, I think that some sort of crowd funding woud be a good idea if you were ever in need of a larger budget. I myself and I'm sure that many others as well would be more than happy to help the best Vampire The Masquerade show on the internet :)
I dunno who tf Fiona thinks she, but if I were Nelly, I would of texted Nines and Victor and just been like, find me the heart of someone Fiona converses with often and ship it to this address, then ask for the server to be called again through Fiona and say, “Hey darling, would you mind fetching something for me, I believe it’s waiting at the door.” Then get the server to bring the heart in. Casually pick up that organ and then place it in the jewelry box and slide it back across the table, “Weak woman I am not. Now, once you’ve figured out who you’ve lost by taking such a tone with me, you may call me and you can come to Hollywood to sit at the big girls table with me.” Then simply smile, stand and leave. *Hair flick for emphasis*
It seems like Nelli doesn't have much to say in the way of "what will you do as baron?" Is it just me, or does Victor seem to be able to answer that question better than Nelli?
Fiona is a classic ventrue but her turf was given to spite Victor and she has not as much power as she thinks her ambition is bigger than her stomach me thinks and if there is people that she fears through mere reference whoever was in that room then she should think before she does nelli has had Victor to watch and knows the ropes fiona though doesn't look at all angles before making decisions though
Nope. I believed Abrams when he said it was a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of deal. But I do think she counts herself as far more dangerous than she actually is.
I still find it hard to believe Fiona was able to so easily "walk-out" with Greg. I'm starting to think Fiona and Greg are plants/spies for the Second Inquisition, and will start when the time is right...
TheCrowFairyTale She walked out with Stillwater, not Greg. He looked into Fiona's eyes, that silly man. Or maybe it was another inquisitor, I don't remember. She had them fight each other. But she only managed this after time in captivity, so it wasn't that 'easily'. It's all in the endings of.... I want to say season 2?
My second least favorite character: Fiona, far more the "cliché" Ventrue than Victor! But i'm unfair, they are two faces of the same coin: Victor believe safety is in celebrity, Fiona believe it's being anonymous. Both of their views are valid ones, but, i've got that strange feeling about Fiona... she's not as subtle as she thinks, not as smart as she thinks, she get a part of Victor's turf not by deserving it, but just because Abrams wanted to punish him after the mess at the Grove, and there she is, threatening Nelli, after jumping into bed with Therese, not really a "mastermind" move since Therese had a big target on her back and both Camerilla and Anarchs (well at least X and Jasper) coming for her. And that move about Chaz limousine... come on girl we're not at kindergarten here, you said it yourself "we're at the grown women table" so act like a grown women instead of making a fool of yourself! Just keep one thing in mind about Fiona, she is ready to even join the Ivory Tower if that ensure her survival and keep her little "turf"!
I agree. Fiona is an also-ran, an expendable token used to leverage or piss off other people, and she's so full of herself she's likely to spontaneously explode. Ash Minnick is brilliantly playing that bluffing too hard overambition with the ever-present leak of insecurity. Basically, she's a lousy bully that better people keep just pumped up enough to use as a shield, and she has nothing to give on her own but jealousy and spite. I think she got very used to having vampiric powers easily over mortals, and I don't think she realizes how often she fails to make them work against her own kind. In her mind, she has won every debate and intimidated every competitor into submission, when in fact she's ultimately negligible and people just walk away rolling their eyes where she can't see it. I'm anticipating the day when the ax finally falls on her neck. In all her failed attempts at subtlety, she keeps hanging it out there as a glaring target of opportunity. She's the piece anyone would sacrifice and no one would mourn. Even Therese has a sympathy-generating side, so to speak. If one of the barons has to be given up to stabilize a situation, Fiona's the one. If Fiona was a man, I'd sum it up by saying, "What a schmuck!" I guess a girl can be a schmuck, too.
@@TheJerbol I think Nelli is just really good at acting more interested than she really is, and at flattering people she doesn't care about. It's very catty and silver-screen era society. I do think Nelli came with a list of boxes to check off, just to sound out Fiona a variety of topics. A few times, I saw her mentally make a mark and then prepare to move on.
Some problems with that plan: 1) Ib is Camarilla, and the Sheriff of L.A. 2) Even though Ib is still on friendly terms with Victor and leaks info to him, despite them being enemies on paper, Ib didn't actually like Nelli when she still worked for Victor.
It's not going to matter Fiona has killed inquisitors. And in the other vignette of last season. Its made clear that the inquisition is going to send the big guns after Fiona in particular. When they do eventually appear she's first vamp down.
'There's not many of us' unless I'm missong someone, with Neli in Hollywood now, the girls outnumber the boys. There's Victor and There's nines, vs Fiona, Therese and Neli. Are there any barons we are unaware of? Tara is no longer around, neither is the guy who claimed the sun valley. So yeah. Before Fiona and Neli, Therese was surrounded by dudes, but things have changed.
I'm not too well versed in the lore but what you said is true for LA. The other Anarch states however seems to have more Baron than Baroness and I'm pretty sure that's what the ladies are referring to.
You aren't wrong. She's using it to establish rapport even if its nonsensical. Among kindred any gender can be Prince/Baron.Really, the only requirements is the power to not only claim the title but hold it. Quite a few female vampires are the defacto rulers of their area but don't want the giant target on their backs and its much more flattering to have a Prince/Baron in your pocket. That particular area could've once be considered a sausage fest but clam is currently on the menu
@@Nikita4ever7000 Fiorenza is very much Camarilla. When Annabelle asked to Victor, I believe it was back in season two, if Fiorenza was a Ventrue and if she was an anarch, Victor answered something like: "Yes(for being a Ventrue), and absolutely not(for being an anarch)."
Was that message even sent by Brad? I feel it'd been a million episodes since we'd last seen Fiona! Her return gives me hope that we'll get to see Therese, Chelsea, Chloe, maybe even Ramona one of these days...
The armored limo belonged to the late Chaz, Nellie's abusive sire. Victor kept it as a prize, and though Nellie doesn't want to ride in it, he's gotten her into it on a couple of occasions. Arguably an asshole move on Vic's part, although he probably keeps it to show what a badass he is. Victor is good at covering people's backs, but he does have a habit of riding roughshod over their feelings.
@@TheMarcHicks True. First one was a bit longer than this and the previous one, though. Of course, it's a quality not a quantity that matters, I am just a bit sad that there are only two more epilogues to go and then comes a long wait for season 5. Probably quite a long one, given this damn quarantine.
oh for crying out loud, Victor has made the point about the limo very clear, he's made it very clear that Nelli is free to do whatever she wants with it, use it or not, he's not making her get in.
I really don't understand how people say Victor's not a powerful baron. Dude went from being an errand boy to being baron in a few years, to then becoming one of the movers of LA in a open with the Camarilla.
Plot armor, if it were my game, i would put victor on top of the SI list and the camarilla for the masquerade breach....i will also make kindred in his domain uneasy towards him by openly protecting and admitting thin bloods since they would be competing with the feeding
@@watersports1381 thank God it's not your game. That shit sounds like a horrible time. Imagine that. Being punished in every move by a ST that didn't understand the basic concept of young kindred using technology and social media to their advantage, and anarchs hanging around with Thin-Bloods; concepts that exists since the V20.
@@miguelhenriquecosta how is that punishing? Also i dont play for entertainment, and why would i sacrifice the setting because a player makes too many dumb decisions
@@watersports1381 I'm not here to teach you, if Jason Carl couldn't, ain't I that will try. Plus, if you don't play for.fun, wtf are you.even playing for?? Again. Wouldn't watch nor play in your tables. They sound horrible.
Fionna gave Nelli "DImitrius", Greg Dimmitrius jeweled skull? But Greg is not dead... So the Ib having him handcuffed to the car was part of saving him from this predictment or something? After I saw that Ib confronted Nelli on calling Greg by his name and not Daffoil I figured out that she was not risking him. Anyways I really ship Ib, Greg and their handcuff play hahaha
No, Fiona said it was Stillwater's skull. Stillwater was one of the agents that captured and tried to interrogate Fiona. Fiona wanted Nelli to give her Greg's heart because she knows Greg was the one who gave her up to the other agents.
@@GayleHarrahs Thanks! sicne english subtitles werent up at the moment I wrote that I had some trouble sometimes. God, I really love Ib. And yes I ship them.
@@JasonCarl only just noticed the reply thank you especially since you also answered me on twitter haha thank you for your dedication Jason, love the show exited to see what's next :)
I didn't expect that Nellie and Nines would have such great chemistry. Same goes for Jasper and Greg. Also, Victor and Katya. This season has been a delightfully weird one in that regard.
Allison Homiak Greg and Ib have been my favorite new character interactions. Also would like to see Ib interact with Kyoko.
Greg and Jasper are both proffesionals so it wasn't supprise for me
A Ventrue, Toreador, and a Brujah walk into a Whine Bar.
And the nosferatu bar keep ....asks....."what would u like to order"....lol
@@jbeattie1244 As long as Tzimisce didn't make the chairs it should be fine.
@@Urizen777 lol
NGL for a hot second I thought "Grad student that cries a lot" was referring to Annabelle.
I think it was a direct reference 😂😂
If I was playing Nelli, I would give serious thought to putting Fionas heart in that box.
Possibly. But considering that call I'm betting Nelli will sacrifice Brad if she fills it at all.
*Jason rolls dice in secret*
"Oh god what is happening behind the scenes now"
@James Richardson I'm pretty sure players feel the same way.
Sometimes Storytellers roll dice for no other reason than to make the players nervous. Strangely, knowing this doesn't help at all ;)
It would not surprise me at all to learn that he does that just to fuck with the players and try to make them feel on edge... I know that as a viewer, if that's what he's doing, it definitely works.
@Alex Australis it is in fact the oldest storyteller trick in the book. Players feeling a little too sure of themselves? Roll some dice, nod mysteriously, write some shit down, and then just stare at them for a while
Ash Minnick plays the typical Ventrue well. Apparently, I just found out, she's a production manager. Nice to see her hobbies include role-playing Vampire The Masquerade or role-playing in general. LOL
A thirty second conversation between Nelli and Nines and I ship it. Damn these pretty people
Damn. Miss Ash was ON POINT on this episode. She absolutely nails her work. I remain, as ever, thoroughly impressed by her.
"Little slices of the night"
By all the gods, old and new, we needed this!
Fiona is the definition of good face on a bad game. All she has at the moment was given to her just to teach Victor a lesson and she acts like she somehow deserved it. I really doubt she can hold it if anyone made a conscious decision to take it.
That being said, I love the acting in this episode.
14:13 tag your self, grad student who cries a lot is the character I relate most to in the whole show
"There aren't a whole lot of female barons."
-there are more than the dudes haha
How dare you not count the baron of Sun Valley!
Yep same thought here too. :-)
Not quite sure, but I think there are few more LA barons that just don't make the appearance. I vaguely recall them mentioning another one in that meeting when Fiona first appeared and Isaac decided to screw Victor over and take away part of his territory.
@@Urizen777 There's what they call "sofa barons", like the Sun Valley guy. They are not recognized and have no say.
The "you were the strongest Baron I know" was harder to swallow to me.
Fiona: "it's draining..."
Me: "...what is, dealing with vampires? - HA!" *high fives self* "GOTT'EM! HA!"
MASTER CLASS!!!!!!!
Can't believe we're already on Epilogues... this season went by so fast.
Hope we get Season 5 soon. Though with the quarantine, I guess there's gonna be a bit of delay.
I don't know why. It's not like Kindred can contract the virus, after all. 😉🦇
@@patricklyons794 Otherwise there is the possibility of home-conference. Like over skype or similar.
@@Netreek I would rather it be delayed than be in a zoom-call format.
Fiona's big problem is that she's pulling the whole "I don't need people to like me" routine in a society where you very much do need to be liked. In modern times people hide behind money and laws and treat others like scum without consequence. But vampire society is more like back in the dark ages, the only laws are what the powerful can personally enforce. And Fiona isn't personally powerful enough to do that herself. She's strong and vindictive enough that people don't want to mess with her without a good reason, but she thinks that translates into people being afraid of her- but they aren't.
Nobody likes Fiona. She has no friends. If someone killed Nelli, then there'd be people who would avenge her or die trying. Nobody would do that for Fiona, which means any threat vanishes with her death and there's no consequences to killing her.
She acts like she's in a position to demand things when people only bother with her because she could be useful. She's making it clear that she isn't going to be useful- so would shouldn't someone just kill her.
Fiona has no friends in a society where being friendless is ultimately a death sentence.
Theoretically, I would say that what protect Fiona, with the "New Barons", is that they want to appear United and willing to compromise. In Isaac's day Fiona was a pawn Baron, or at the very least a consistent easily predictable asset. Now the new Barons don't smoke her for the simple fact that they want to show that even if they don't like each other the Anarchs are united and that unity is strength. Strength enough to fight off the Prince and his Court, or at the very least make war too costly. I don't know if Fiona is aware of this, if I'm right.
@@Wolfhiez Victor: I may not be Janette biggest fan but she is one of us
@@dougbecktroyd2692 That was about Therese, not Jeanette.
Carver is the one who pulls the "I don't need people to like me" off right. Everyone agrees that he is a bit of an asshole, but he gets shit done and is consistently right and upfront.
@@HenriqueErzinger hes also not a baron though, and yeah, he has the results to show for it. We have yet to see what Fiona has actually accomplished for the Cause. Shes benefiting from the Ceasefire but if she is building up its completely secret, which may be fine, but likely would work better in conjunction with the other barons. She is a reason the anarchs don't appear to be unified that she tried to use to out wit Nelli
Fiona: "Then you'll get a seat at the big girl's table"
Me: She already HAS a seat at the "big girl's table". Abbrams chose HER not YOU. If I were Nelli I'd tear YOUR heart out and stuff it in that skull.
Right?!? She's only even here presiding over her tiny little chunk of Victor's valley because Abraams wanted to teach him a lesson. Leave it to a Ventrue to assume unearned power 🤷
You know the Grand Canyon, one of the largest natural landmarks on Earth? Still wasn't big enough to contain Fiona's overbloated ego
Fiona’s fiefdom is so very tiny. It could never contain even a fraction of her ego. Does she rent space somewhere else?
My heart will only rest when I see Daffodil again.
It must be said, Nelli looked so beautiful, but I absolutely am in love with Fiona. Her imperiousness and condescension are intoxicating
yeah i don't like her she's great
I love how FRACKED UP, but appropriate, Fiona's Feeding system is. It's been a long time since we've seen her and I'm happy to see her return with her delicious devious dealings, and that bit with Victor either playing Nelli or disregarding her trauma, I think if Nelli went up to him and said: "Burn this ****ing thing or I will." He'd do it because he cares about her that much, either way, that is definitely Fiona working her ways.
25:48 "A decision or an oversight." is a dangerous question to answer for Nelli, Fiona respects strength so a Decision on Nelli's part to attempt to take her off the board is something she understands and because she seems to have suffered no lasting damage from the trouble she has yet to let on if holding a grudge over it. But if it was an Oversight that lets on to Fiona that Nelli doesn't have full control over her own people and that makes her look unfit to lead and in a position to be dethroned.
Another great episode Team thanks y'all!
Fiona, the perfect example of love to hate character :> This verbal sparring was intense and it made for a great epilogue :D
After Abrams gone, Therese hunted and Nines on Victors side: Why petting Fiona? Give her a lection, who is the more powerful Ventrue in the Valley.
I am really curious what is going to go on with Annabelle and Carver. I LOVE Tallasin as Carver really hope is is able to guest star for it.
If I were to hazard a guess, I would assume that the next two epilogues are Annabelle and Carver and Victor and Delilah. First one is a given, as for the second one I hope it is the case, since we only saw Delilah in the first episode of the season and it seems that her and the thin-bloods (or the metal-sounding "duskborn", if you prefer) are going to be very important part of season 5. Wouldn't be surprised if she happpens to be as regular guest as Eva was.
I mean, Annabelle hates his guts. I don't think she respects him, not even as an elder, which is pretty bold to do for a neonate, but she's an Anarch after all. Though, I think his role would have something to do with the Duskborns again. For reasons yet to be determined.
@@Urizen777 Missing the pattern there. Generally the main Coterie members plus some incidentals get Epilogues.
Unless you really thought that Jasper's was the thing with X. And Victor has had his.
This show just keeps on getting better every season!
and like that, all my plans for the day got pushed right tf back an hour
WOOOOW... Nelli got wrecked. I really would like to know how (lets say) "free" the player are. I mean... How "scripted" are episodes like this one?
And Fiona. Well played... efficient as a true Ventrue.
A good question. The players and I know where each episode begins but none of us know where they go or end; that's in the hands of the players and their characters!
Fiona is a.... i flippin svvear she nails hovv to do it all subtle... I enjoy her thoroughly.
Nelli went hard on the bullshit when she said Fiona was the strongest of the Barons she new. She is pretty much the weakest apart from Victor, by a long margin.
@@JasonCarl wow really? I figured that it was lightly scripted for the characters to reach a point... that's just crazy
@@HenriqueErzinger I don't feel like she's even at Victor's level. Victor makes things move, he has contacts with Cam, Anarchs strongly back him and it feels like nothing gets done without his participation.
I agree with Fiona on the Limo thing.
I aways get so angry at Victor when he pulls that crap. When he had the audacity to go to Nelli's party on that car knowing full well how much she hates it I just thought: "What an A*hole!"
It indeed was fucked up. As much as I like Victor, for his charisma and capabilities, he is very much big picture, and that big picture is of his ego. I imagine his concern for nelli’s suffering was overshadowed by the image he could portray by rolling around in the departed Herald’s fancy ride. It’s basically screaming ‘we killed him’ for anyone informed, and that was more valuable to him.
"It's draining to deal with so many who have so little foresight and so little willpower. And yet, it often reminds me of how quickly their fire will burn out. Because they don't see the future like I do, they don't see past ten years, fifteen years...and the reason they don't is because they won't exist that long. You have to see past their plans"
Fiona is a real boss, she understands what it takes to lead. Speak softly and carry a big stick. A true ventrue.
Pity she isn't making more friends... Victor, Nelli, and Nines have each other's backs and are ready to make moves when needed. Fiona is the outsider with a smaller base of power
That last bit is a absolutely backward to me. It's because they don't make long term plans that they don't last that long not the other way around. I have to assume that there was some mangling as she improvised her speech.
Yay, so great to see Ash back......she is always wonderful! 🙂
Fiona (brilliantly portrayed by Ash Minnick) is that daddy's princess who thinks she actually built her career on her own, in daddy's company or one of his friends'. She actually thinks she has won every encountered, intimidated every rival, when in fact other, greater minds have kept her just propped up enough to use as a shield or a taunt in their own affairs, and she decided that meant she was the major player.
I think she thinks that she affects other supernatural creatures as easily as she does to mortals, because she can't see them rolling their eyes as they walk away. In vampire society, she is tolerated on bare principles.
She's the first piece that anyone would sacrifice, and that no one would mourn. Even Therese has a sympathy-generating side, so to speak, that people are glad to know. Fiona, however, has reached the point of being choked with her own silver spoon. She is too treacherous for the Camarilla to ever let live, and too inflammatory for the anarchs to bother protecting for too long.
It's just a matter of time before the ax falls upon her neck that she sticks out so readily, still deluding herself she is subtle. In the end, perhaps it matters not who wields it, for it will come inevitably come from one cause or another.
She reminds me of King midas a little given power that as a ventrue has immediately gone to her head and in the end will lead to her f**King up spectacularly just like midas turning his daughter to gold
@@madlollipop7008 Great comparison!
Love Fiona miss Ash is great at playing the cold businesswomen a really great episode Baroness Fiona has got style
Fiona: What are you tastes?
Nelli:...Something sexually charged
Me: OMG, *blushing hard* This is why Nelli is played very well.
Fiona is a really cool character, the menacing feel was great all episode.
Nelly fits really well the Baron role.
So cool!!!
Menacing? When playing a Bond villain, remember how all of them ended up.
Can you hear it? Can you hear all those people writing their fanfiction?
Fiona's hubris is genuinely astounding. She was gifted four shitty blocks in the Valley by Abraams just to piss off and punish Victor, and now, Abraams missing in action be damned, she's talking like she's the leader of the anarchs and making decisions about entire baronies. Gotta hand it to her, she's a pro at being given an inch and running a mile with it.
Always happy when I see new videos! My favorite channel that does this role-play style.
Do we have to wait till the Fall or Winter before we get Season 5?
I miss Eva.
We hope you won't have to wait that long!
@@JasonCarl catching up here, do you know how much longer now? The pandemic is lingering, so I understand how it changes all plans, but I am curious.
@@mirta000 Goddamn Plaguebearers. I thought I killed one back in Downtown L.A. Now there's another.
@@JasonCarl `1 year ago`
This saddens my shriveled heart, hope you can make season 5 as soon as you can and want.
The wait is over they said September 2021
Fiona is delightfully menacing. She could give an candelabra-favoring elder of the Ivory Tower a run for their money.
I totally relate with the grad student that cries a lot. :D
Fiona is playing the only cards she has which is fake it til you make it and never let them see you sweat. Id have just made her disappear like the sofa baron she is.
Okay, I know it's probably never going to come to fruition, but... Nellie and Nines... I ship it! ^_^
VTM L.A By Night after work. "P E R F E C T I O N"
And Jason Carl sounded waaaaay to enthusiast.. And Welcome!! lol
I so love these but I have to ask why is it vampires take so damn long to get to a point and have to talk around everything? Is it just the Brujah in me that wants to yell get to the point already! *sighs* I could never be a good Tory or Vent. Great episode except too short! Carl you are teasing me way too much, I need more.
Politics my man.
Concerns about time are for mortals
That was quick :)
First I would love to have seen Nellie leave the box there and told Fiona to have it sent over.
I honestly don't know how I would have reacted to Fiona telling my character to fill the skull. But after I did fill it and give it back I would tell her to stick it in a uncomfortable place and not the back of a volkswagen
Ash Minnick as Fiona is such a boss!
I feel like Fiona is just bitter because of the inquisition thing, and her payback will be to manipulate Nelly into putting Daffodils heart.
I think Fiona is keeping company with Therese.
Nines is truly a good guy.
It would have been awesome if you could do a series of videos which follows each episode with cast discussing the episode, what were they thinking, etc., similar to how it is with Critical Role (I think). : 3
That would be great! Maybe someday we will have the budget and resources to do it. :)
@@JasonCarl Oh hello again Jason, sorry I asked the same question recently under the newest episode of L.A. by Nght, but thank you for answering here as well, you are very patient and kind :)
And like I said in my previous answer, I think that some sort of crowd funding woud be a good idea if you were ever in need of a larger budget. I myself and I'm sure that many others as well would be more than happy to help the best Vampire The Masquerade show on the internet :)
@@EpicKillstreak can confirm ill donate
A talk back show is a really awesome idea. I believe you inspired something considering Club Auspex.
@@MorinehtarTheBlue Yeah I am very happy that they decided to implement that.
Big girl table.....since when was fiona on "mean girls or Heather's"
I dunno who tf Fiona thinks she, but if I were Nelly, I would of texted Nines and Victor and just been like, find me the heart of someone Fiona converses with often and ship it to this address, then ask for the server to be called again through Fiona and say, “Hey darling, would you mind fetching something for me, I believe it’s waiting at the door.” Then get the server to bring the heart in. Casually pick up that organ and then place it in the jewelry box and slide it back across the table, “Weak woman I am not. Now, once you’ve figured out who you’ve lost by taking such a tone with me, you may call me and you can come to Hollywood to sit at the big girls table with me.” Then simply smile, stand and leave. *Hair flick for emphasis*
"Cool jazz... lots of clarinet."
I was thinking more along the lines of Miles.
It seems like Nelli doesn't have much to say in the way of "what will you do as baron?" Is it just me, or does Victor seem to be able to answer that question better than Nelli?
Nelli is trying to figure out all the deals Abrams had. Victor got a barony Abrams didn't want, so he got a much blanker slate.
Does a Black Heart to Nelli G's Boyfriend mean she's gonna
send Fiona his heart? I wonder what a Black Heart means.
Fiona is a classic ventrue but her turf was given to spite Victor and she has not as much power as she thinks her ambition is bigger than her stomach me thinks and if there is people that she fears through mere reference whoever was in that room then she should think before she does nelli has had Victor to watch and knows the ropes fiona though doesn't look at all angles before making decisions though
Nope. I believed Abrams when he said it was a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of deal. But I do think she counts herself as far more dangerous than she actually is.
Holy shit, she killed Stillwater! Like, of course she did, but damn!
[Gordon Ramsey Meme]: "Finally a real fucking vampire"
@@dungeonsanddobbers2683 Lollll
Jewelry box for Nelli,
am late to the party but glad to have found this
I'd be careful with your last name, Sirona Stillwater. No one wants another one of those boxes.
@@realism_logic xD was commenting on the earliest episodes and got some replies from Jason because he rocks
I still find it hard to believe Fiona was able to so easily "walk-out" with Greg. I'm starting to think Fiona and Greg are plants/spies for the Second Inquisition, and will start when the time is right...
TheCrowFairyTale She walked out with Stillwater, not Greg. He looked into Fiona's eyes, that silly man. Or maybe it was another inquisitor, I don't remember. She had them fight each other. But she only managed this after time in captivity, so it wasn't that 'easily'. It's all in the endings of.... I want to say season 2?
@@myri5 You are correct, she walked out of her captivity with Agent Stillwater, in the endcaps of Season 3.
My second least favorite character: Fiona, far more the "cliché" Ventrue than Victor! But i'm unfair, they are two faces of the same coin: Victor believe safety is in celebrity, Fiona believe it's being anonymous. Both of their views are valid ones, but, i've got that strange feeling about Fiona... she's not as subtle as she thinks, not as smart as she thinks, she get a part of Victor's turf not by deserving it, but just because Abrams wanted to punish him after the mess at the Grove, and there she is, threatening Nelli, after jumping into bed with Therese, not really a "mastermind" move since Therese had a big target on her back and both Camerilla and Anarchs (well at least X and Jasper) coming for her. And that move about Chaz limousine... come on girl we're not at kindergarten here, you said it yourself "we're at the grown women table" so act like a grown women instead of making a fool of yourself! Just keep one thing in mind about Fiona, she is ready to even join the Ivory Tower if that ensure her survival and keep her little "turf"!
I agree. Fiona is an also-ran, an expendable token used to leverage or piss off other people, and she's so full of herself she's likely to spontaneously explode. Ash Minnick is brilliantly playing that bluffing too hard overambition with the ever-present leak of insecurity. Basically, she's a lousy bully that better people keep just pumped up enough to use as a shield, and she has nothing to give on her own but jealousy and spite.
I think she got very used to having vampiric powers easily over mortals, and I don't think she realizes how often she fails to make them work against her own kind. In her mind, she has won every debate and intimidated every competitor into submission, when in fact she's ultimately negligible and people just walk away rolling their eyes where she can't see it.
I'm anticipating the day when the ax finally falls on her neck. In all her failed attempts at subtlety, she keeps hanging it out there as a glaring target of opportunity. She's the piece anyone would sacrifice and no one would mourn. Even Therese has a sympathy-generating side, so to speak. If one of the barons has to be given up to stabilize a situation, Fiona's the one.
If Fiona was a man, I'd sum it up by saying, "What a schmuck!" I guess a girl can be a schmuck, too.
She's a Cersei wishing she was her father.
@@animistchannel2983 Sadly I think Nelli fell for her bravado
@@TheJerbol I think Nelli is just really good at acting more interested than she really is, and at flattering people she doesn't care about. It's very catty and silver-screen era society.
I do think Nelli came with a list of boxes to check off, just to sound out Fiona a variety of topics. A few times, I saw her mentally make a mark and then prepare to move on.
@@animistchannel2983 great summation. Hard to tell with this games, but I would say her number is coming.
Very awesome; I never did like Fiona much.
Fiona, my favourite!
If I was Nelli G I would send "Ib" after Fiona, because
Fiona is playing ball with Therese. I would like to see
Fiona's Heart in that Skull.
"Nelli G" *can't* send "Ib" anywhere; Anarchs don't get to tell Camarilla what to do. "Ib" is the Sheriff.
Some problems with that plan:
1) Ib is Camarilla, and the Sheriff of L.A.
2) Even though Ib is still on friendly terms with Victor and leaks info to him, despite them being enemies on paper, Ib didn't actually like Nelli when she still worked for Victor.
Chaz Limousine? Is Vics way to tell everyone how hardcore they are, Nelli should know
@@anvos658 exactly
Still nothing from Chloe, Elenore or Carver :(
Are you sure?
Nellie is clearly outclassed here. Tread carefully, Baroness.
It's not going to matter Fiona has killed inquisitors. And in the other vignette of last season. Its made clear that the inquisition is going to send the big guns after Fiona in particular. When they do eventually appear she's first vamp down.
Nelly looks smokin’ hot here
Nines is the sire we need, not the sire we deserve. I keep hopeing to find out he is a True Brujah, and it is hiw he keeps his wisdom and serenity.
"Inquisitive question" hahaha
I love vampire the masquerade
'There's not many of us' unless I'm missong someone, with Neli in Hollywood now, the girls outnumber the boys. There's Victor and There's nines, vs Fiona, Therese and Neli. Are there any barons we are unaware of? Tara is no longer around, neither is the guy who claimed the sun valley. So yeah. Before Fiona and Neli, Therese was surrounded by dudes, but things have changed.
I'm not too well versed in the lore but what you said is true for LA.
The other Anarch states however seems to have more Baron than Baroness and I'm pretty sure that's what the ladies are referring to.
Don't forget the Baron near Disneyland.
And don't forget Fiorenza.
You aren't wrong. She's using it to establish rapport even if its nonsensical.
Among kindred any gender can be Prince/Baron.Really, the only requirements is the power to not only claim the title but hold it.
Quite a few female vampires are the defacto rulers of their area but don't want the giant target on their backs and its much more flattering to have a Prince/Baron in your pocket.
That particular area could've once be considered a sausage fest but clam is currently on the menu
@@Nikita4ever7000 Fiorenza is very much Camarilla. When Annabelle asked to Victor, I believe it was back in season two, if Fiorenza was a Ventrue and if she was an anarch, Victor answered something like: "Yes(for being a Ventrue), and absolutely not(for being an anarch)."
Was that message even sent by Brad?
I feel it'd been a million episodes since we'd last seen Fiona! Her return gives me hope that we'll get to see Therese, Chelsea, Chloe, maybe even Ramona one of these days...
Yay more Fiona! Just love that character.
Sounds like Nelli's about to put Brad's heart in that box.. x'D
What happened with Victor and the limousine? I didn’t catch that reference.
The armored limo belonged to the late Chaz, Nellie's abusive sire. Victor kept it as a prize, and though Nellie doesn't want to ride in it, he's gotten her into it on a couple of occasions. Arguably an asshole move on Vic's part, although he probably keeps it to show what a badass he is.
Victor is good at covering people's backs, but he does have a habit of riding roughshod over their feelings.
Nothing happened in this exchange hahaahahahaahah it's fine at least Fiona is willing to talk hahaahahahaahah
Nellie G x Nines though is fire
This was quick... both, the time of the upload and the length of the episode.
Epilogues are usually relatively short.
@@TheMarcHicks True. First one was a bit longer than this and the previous one, though. Of course, it's a quality not a quantity that matters, I am just a bit sad that there are only two more epilogues to go and then comes a long wait for season 5. Probably quite a long one, given this damn quarantine.
Honestly expected Brad's skull to be in that box, or his heart already in there in revenge.
oh for crying out loud, Victor has made the point about the limo very clear, he's made it very clear that Nelli is free to do whatever she wants with it, use it or not, he's not making her get in.
I really don't understand how people say Victor's not a powerful baron. Dude went from being an errand boy to being baron in a few years, to then becoming one of the movers of LA in a open with the Camarilla.
Plot armor, if it were my game, i would put victor on top of the SI list and the camarilla for the masquerade breach....i will also make kindred in his domain uneasy towards him by openly protecting and admitting thin bloods since they would be competing with the feeding
@@watersports1381 thank God it's not your game. That shit sounds like a horrible time. Imagine that. Being punished in every move by a ST that didn't understand the basic concept of young kindred using technology and social media to their advantage, and anarchs hanging around with Thin-Bloods; concepts that exists since the V20.
@@miguelhenriquecosta how is that punishing? Also i dont play for entertainment, and why would i sacrifice the setting because a player makes too many dumb decisions
@@watersports1381 I'm not here to teach you, if Jason Carl couldn't, ain't I that will try. Plus, if you don't play for.fun, wtf are you.even playing for?? Again. Wouldn't watch nor play in your tables. They sound horrible.
Hey this came out on my birthday
Late happy birthday! Have a present with a heartfelt surprise. :)
"Thanks, my agent chose it." 💀
Fionna gave Nelli "DImitrius", Greg Dimmitrius jeweled skull?
But Greg is not dead... So the Ib having him handcuffed to the car was part of saving him from this predictment or something? After I saw that Ib confronted Nelli on calling Greg by his name and not Daffoil I figured out that she was not risking him.
Anyways I really ship Ib, Greg and their handcuff play hahaha
No, Fiona said it was Stillwater's skull. Stillwater was one of the agents that captured and tried to interrogate Fiona. Fiona wanted Nelli to give her Greg's heart because she knows Greg was the one who gave her up to the other agents.
@@GayleHarrahs Thanks! sicne english subtitles werent up at the moment I wrote that I had some trouble sometimes.
God, I really love Ib. And yes I ship them.
does anyone know how many epilogues there will be? so i can start bingeing
There are a total of 5 epilogues this season.
@@JasonCarl only just noticed the reply thank you especially since you also answered me on twitter haha thank you for your dedication Jason, love the show exited to see what's next :)
Slow motion in blood hunt ...
nice
I love Fiona and how much of a power player she is. Nelli is not even close to being on her level.
Somehow, that opening scene with Fiona reminds me of "Barbara Broadcast."
Can't wait for the next season, but I have a question Storyteller. When will you rage?
Gosh I missed Fiona.
Even in death, Stillwater finds use.
Does anyone know what the guitar song at the beginning is?
A great question lingers: Did Nelli take the skull box?
Fiona forgets she earned nothing it was handed to her out of spite from victor
Hmm... I wonder if it was Nines who drained #10 in the Brown room. That's the only person I could see Fiona fearing.
Damn, RIP Stillwater
Fiona 🖤 I missed her
Fiona is the scene stealer. She’s the most vampire of all the characters.