SureFire Warden POI SHIFT!? Must See
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1 moa is 2 of the .5” squares of that target at 100 yards. If you’re shooting a 1” group at 25 yards; you’re shooting 4 moa. If you’re shooting a 1” group at 50 yards; you’re shooting 2 moa. A one inch group at 100 yards is 1 moa.
I think it depends on how many yards a person decides to zero the rifle to. 1 MOA isn't always at 100 yards.
Villamor78 🤦🏻♂️You can’t “think” whatever you want. I KNOW what 1 moa is. You obviously don’t, and neither does he. 1 minute of angle is 1/60th of 1 degree. Do some homework before you start typing friend. He’s using 1 moa and 1 inch interchangeably; that is incorrect. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about regarding his use of moa. Again for example, 1inch at 50 yards is 2 moa, 1 moa at 200 yards is 2 inches. Etc. etc.
Mr NiceKnife I know for a fact that you can correct someone without sounding like an ass hat.
@@everythingphil9376 he's telling u that u an this doucher don't kno moa from a hair on ur ass. U got proved wrong so he's the asshat? 😂
@@natemcelroy2546 😃
People need to realize an AR and an AK are battle rifles NOT a sniper rifle, a POA/POI of 1/2 moa is fine for a battle rifle
Lol an AR10 or a SCAR17 is a battle rifle, but you're right, they're not snipers. People expect too much from a light semi-auto
I would say that the Warden would only change POA if you had a light barrel whose harmonics would be altered by the extra weight of the device.
I truly believe it's a barrel profile issue, if you have one. My 16 hbar has no poi shift at all. But my 16 modern profile barrel poi shift is about 3 inches low at 100 yards. Both barrels are BA nitride mids, but the modern profile is almost half the weight and will flex when I push on it. HBAR's are the best for using any suppressor or qd blast deverters.
Watched the whole video, and yes at those distances you will not see a POI change. Try shooting out to 5-600 meters, that’s were I’m seeing a shift in impact difference. Also I’m running the compensator not the flash hider.
Weight on the end of the barrel causes a change in barrel harmonics.
Wrong. Suppressors increase accuracy.
10m vid to say: no, it does not.
I just had this happen with my zpap92 , have a Mac Custom 2pc brake with BDS-37 short, and my POI was all over the place, we removed it and it was shooting quarter size groups.
All good points there,… zero with the ammo you’ll use to defend or compete with. Your training ammo will never be at your absolute zero. Good stuff man.
Oh my... took FOREVER. Get to the point already.
I'm not sure if this makes a difference, but I think the issue with the Warden causing the POI shift comes from the SOCOM muzzle break and not the three prong flash hider. Do you know which muzzle device others were using to see the shift?
lundy75 thats an interesting theory. I dont think anyone ever brought that up in the online chatter. Im inclined to agree with you simply based on the principal of where the gasses go by a brake
I was wondering about that too.
lundy75 I've used both the muzzle brake/ warden. I had no shift.
We discovered a couple years ago that there is definitely a POI shift of approx 2-3MOA when using the Warden blast diffuser on the Surefire Muzzle Brake SFMB-556. Interesting to see that there is virtually zero shift when using it on the three prong flash hider. I'm glad I came across your video, I will pass this info along.
I think one thing to consider is not just the airflow but rather barrel harmonics. And in the case of barrel harmonics each barrel that the device is attached to will respond differently. I run the same 7.62 Saker can I have on 4 different rifles and each one has a different poi shift and some more than others. When you go hanging an additional 20+ ounces off of the end of a barrel harmonics definitely change but that can also be said for even just a few ounces. Anyone who has ever used a Browning boss system or has changed torque settings on a barrel can till you that just a lil change to the barrel can cause a big poi shift. Barrels vibrate and move just like a tuning fork when fired and depending where that barrel is in its flex cycle when the bullet leaves the bore has a big affect on where the bullet gets sent. It's one of the reason two identical rifles can prefer different ammunition choices. Due to different stresses in the metal during manufacturing, barrel fit tightness, exc... each barrel will have its own unique harmonic signature.
Thank you for all your time and hard work on reviews keep it coming
In 'Commiefornia' you can't buy a gun with a flash hider, muzzle brakes only. Also certain trainers (Buck Doyle for instance) won't allow muzzle brakes in his courses (for obvious reasons). Enter the Warden. POI shift is extremely relevant in a thorough test, something most other reviews don't bother to include. Great video and exactly what I was looking for.
100 yard zero would really show any discernable difference.
Why is my poi shift 7" high at 100 yards. What's going on..
You should Zero rifle with a surefire suppressor. Then replace suppressor with warcomp. This should help mitigate POI shift while transitioning rife to an unsuppressed state. Hope this helps.
Instead of shooting 4 3 rd groups you can actually just do 1 10 rd group and use range buddy to get the center and the same with warden.
Great vid man. Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to do it.
Does it work with stoke muzzle brakes? Does it seem like (I realize isnt actually) it’s any quieter?
Do you like the way it runs with the warcomp? Trying to decide between the warcomp and muzzle brake and warden. Theres so many different opinions online regarding this, lol. Thanks for the vid, subbed :)
@@gspanie87 I like my setup a lot.
Aren't those HALF inch squares ?
That’s what the paper says
I have the muzzle brake /warden and I’m seeing a point of aim impact shift starting at 200 meters !!!
I'm sure a lot of it has to do with barrel length and profile. Any change of muzzle device can and probably will cause a shift of impact. Obviously your barrel/ muzzle device combination gets along well. Jonny reloading bench has a good series on muzzle devices and harmonics. It's all luck as far as most of us are concerned. I'm sure there's brainiacs out there that could explain it😂😂😂.
@imstricken06 do want to sell your sf warden?
When the wordin is on dose it still flash hide?
No
if you wanted to run this test better get a bench clamp for the gun, then run this test. Remove the human error component to avoid result deviation.
What human error? Both sets of shot (warden on & off) resulted in half-inch groups. There was no deviation.
50 yard zero?? That’s well over 1 moa. There’s a shift dude. Or at least poor accuracy due to the weapon or operator. I’m not gonna rehash what’s already been commented by others.
is this california compliant for a featureless rifle? any info will help
Garland V flash hiders are not. But their socom comp will support this too. Should be Cali compliant but idk for sure bro. I’d call a shop. Best of luck to you
ImStricken06 thanks for the response and the info
The HiFi Guy 😂
Don’t comply guy.
It's fine. It increases the flash rather than suppress it. Best get Surefire's SOCOM brake to attach it to instead of their flash hider though.
If all you guys are getting demonetized y'all should class action them for discrimination
POI shift.. due to the length of your gun, and the shitty mount you are using on your optic
Wtf does the optic mount have to do with poi shift that people are having when installing or removing the warden? So the optic mount doesn’t like the warden? If it was the mount we’d be getting poi shifts regardless if the warden is on or not. And how do you explain me not getting poi shifts at all?
@@imstricken06 hmm, are you sure, that it is only when the warden is installed? Or are you sure you have it locked down tight? I have used my warden for 2 years, and havent had an issue with it. you may have something that isnt timed right. 1. Check you muzzle device. make sure its timed right. 2.. Check your warden and make sure it is locked down tight. Sorry, i misread, and was just trying to eliminate a possible cause.