As a Bengals fan since 1985 yeah our O Line was a major problem & Burrow getting us to that game was one of the most unbelievable accomplishments I’ve ever seen. Hopefully we have fixed our line issues cause our skill players are scary great like Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins etc.
@@patrickgray5633facts and to be honest the argument that Lamar is better than burrow is disrespectful. Lamar had the best team in the league and lost. He also lost to burrow who had the worse o line in years
Why is nobody talking about Deion Sanders. 9 time first-team all-pro, 8 pro bowl selections, a defensive player of the year as a corner, 25 yards per interception. He locked one side of the field and he didn’t have the luxury of resting. The man played on every possession, kick and punt returns, offense as a receiver and defense as a corner and he was the best corner this league has seen by far. Him and LT are by far the greatest defenders because no other players had the dominance they had on their positions defensively.
We know why... Pspsps I said this because of how he is perceived through the media . Same hate the Lamar Jackson's, Jalen Ramsey's, obj is always gonna have they hate to see a black man act like where he is from . And hold it with pride .( p) If you are the image that they want you to be . You'll have a army of Connor's at your defense .
Lawrence Taylor said it best “I don’t consider myself the best defensive player of all time… I look at Reggie White… and we know Reggie was a religious man. When he lined up everyone was praying on offenses that he didn’t hurt them and Reggie was praying that he didn’t hurt you.”
lol its 2022..scary people don't have nothing to do with you on the field for one he's a DT putting DE stats lol to sit there and not even try to discuss it jus because u like how football use to be played or they played nd hurt people is dumb especially wen his stats nd achievements meet the criteria to ..I mean deion sanders honestly is only athlete ever in any sport if you think about it is only person where his position CB will never be up for debate about who's best ever at his position...so I mean its not guaranteed to be LT....forever lol das all its like a bias discussion
(Top 10 Defensive Approximate Values) Reggie White, 231🥇 Bruce Smith, 229🥈 Ray Lewis, 224🥉 Alan Page, 197 Junior Seau, 195 Lawrence Taylor, 192 Rod Woodson, 192 Derrick Brooks, 192 Julius Peppers, 185 Carl Eller, 180 Aaron Donald current is 130 in 8 seasons, in 15 seasons his AV pace is 243 which would be🥇
@@keeyannaniicole7592 bro I am quoting what LT said on the NFL all time top 100 team… also I wasn’t born till a month after the packers won the 1996 Super Bowl… so sit down. Also Go back you will see that Reggie white closed out the super bowl in 96 in a better way. Also Reggie had three sack in his super bowl compared to Arron Donald’s two sacks… so again I say this your a prisoner of the moment. Also to say intimidation isn’t apart of the game of football is maybe the dumbest take in the world
Ray Lewis - 13x pro bowler, 10x All pro (7 first team), 2x Super Bowl champ, Super bowl MVP, 2x DPOTY, led the NFL in tackles 5 seasons, and the leader of arguably the greatest defense of all time in the 2000 Ravens who holds the all time records for fewest points and fewest rush yards giving up in a season. He deserves more recognition in this conversation
@@MitchGreen_LLC LT was a hybrid pass rusher/OLB...Ray was a MLB...They had different responsibilities but Ray was just as good at his position as LT was at his
LT impacted both sides of the ball offense and defense. His impact on defense speaks for itself. But he changed how offense approached the game to stop LT.
He invented the H-Back position. It got invented by Joe Gibbs to block him. Olineman back in the day put their hands in the dirt before the snap but due to LT being so great they made them put them in the knees cause they couldn't block him straight ahead. Let alone making the Left Tackle and outside Linebacker position famous. The League twisted the rules to stop him cause he was so great.
honestly, you can make an argument that nowadays athletes are better because there dealing with the fallout from lt and still putting up impressive seasons. AD revitalizes careers Clay Mathews had his best season in like 5 years and the end of his career, people thought Von Miller was falling off, Leonard Floyd was looked at as a bust and had his best season with the rams, the same can be said about Dante Fowler but Fowler got a contract and has not nearly been as effective without Donald. To top it off he's a dt that's playing during a time that the rules are geared towards the offense way more heavily than the 80s
how reggie only won 6 blows my mind. he averaged nearly 16 sacks a season for his first 8 seasons. donald has only crested that mark once in his first 8 seasons. i get there different eras, but reggie white was an absolute MONSTER and get so disrespected
We like to talk about how strong Arron Donald is but Reggie White was doing it with one freaking arm. Reggie white was man handling offensive line men with one freaking arm
@@OB-xf3jz In 1985 he lost out due to the great play of Richard Dent and Howie Long In 1992 he did make 2nd team all pro but lost out to Clyde Simmons and Chris Doleman for first
Love Donald, but let's not forget LT, Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones. I'd go with LT. I have watched him and Donald. I feel like LT gets a slight edge, but Donald is definitely in the conversation. So are some others I left off list.
I don't understand how people just think because someone was great in there era there isn't a player who can come close to them. I'm sorry Aaron Donald is the best Player in this area hands down. Stop comparing a LB to a Defensive Tackle. Nobody in history getting Doubled or Tripled team. Like what are we really talking about here.
@@Cjdavis-vf8np I don’t think they understand how difficult it is to get this many sacks playing on the interior dline he’s literally taking on triple teams almost every play
People don’t talk about Alan Page enough when it comes to greatest defenders of all time. He was one of only 2 defensive players to win mvp, the other being LT
@@windowpainzplays8601 its nit shitty eay to judge a defensive player that won the MVP. A DEFENSIVE PLAYEE. Lawrence Taylor and Alan Page won the MVP. Aaron Donald got as much 14 or more sack seasons as Chris Jones
@@CensorTube84 Bruce Smith got 200 sacks total from basically the same positin as Donald. Think about it. (And it was harder back then cause teams ran it 40 times a game and it was legal to block people). To get that you need 20 seasons of 10 sacks per yr or 10 seasons of 20. Now Imagine how insane Reggie White was. He had only 2 sacks less but played 4 years less.
I think people need to remember that Donald has only played 8 seasons. You are comparing stats/awards of players who completed 11-19 years to a person who has played only 8 and is still actively playing. Also, you forgot that Donald was also the rookie defensive player of the year.
He is not in an actual discussion He is only the topic cuz espn wants to hype him up Nobody knowledgable doesnt even thinks that he is better than tj watt let alone best ever
@@lukacalov1988 you’re clearly a casual, ur an embarrassment. AD is the greatest defensive player ever! I’d take him over LT. TJ Watt are you kidding me ?? You have to be trolling
@@Elusivve Luka is definitely a clown with that take but you take isn't that much better. Not taking AD over LT or Prime. All Time defenders is a very short list over AD tho
Who is old enough to remember the greatness of Derrick Thomas?? One of the most dominant players I've ever seen. He was to LT like Kobe was to Jordan. Where would he rank if his career wasn't cut so short by a tragic accident.
@@thepositivelyfe8114 nah mad dog is legit skip became a character based on negativity. Mad dog bring knowledge in every take he has. You can't debate baseball with him and he knows his football. Steven knows his basketball so it'll be interesting to see who can win on each other's expertise
@@Terror832 And they did it in the RUN first era when teams threw the ball 30-40% less than what they do today. More throws = more sack and interception opportunities for the other team's defense. Reggie White in this era would be getting 20 sacks a season year in year out.
@@thehollowedtree9586 from what I researched Teams threw the ball an average of 30-32 times from the late 80s-early 90s (Reggie’s prime) From 2011 to present, teams consistently throw 34-35 times a game. So only a 10-15% increase if that. But I’m not gonna deny that the game 30 years ago was not as QB friendly as it is today. Like in 1992 only 1 QB threw for 3500+ yards compared to 18 QBs in 2021.
LT, Deion Sanders, and Ray Lewis are in my Top 3 all time Defensive Players ever, everyone else is fair game but I can say that AD who’s the best player in the world now is Top 5, Top 7 at least but Longevity is important as well and if Aaron Donald decides if he wants to keep playing years to come, this debate finna change❗️
Stephen A is right on this precisely because of the difficulty modern defensive players face. Look at how even on the final play of the Super Bowl, Donald had the control to not throw his weight on the QB, avoids a roughing the passer call. You take this guy off the leash and put him into the 90's there's not much of a discussion to be had.
It's hilarious to see Stephen A struggle against someone older than him bringing up names from the 50s and 60s. They should do that with basketball too. I don't particularly like him disrespecting guys like Big O and Jerry West in "all time" discussions
Watt should have an MVP nd is the only player with multiple 20.5 sack years back to back he has 3 dpoy nd he has multiple offensive nd defensive touchdowns all that while playing less years healthy then AD. So yea they’re not in the same class Watt is a top 5 defensive player ever nd AD is barely top 10
Off the top of my head without researching: 10. Rod Woodson/Ed Reed 9. Junior Seau 8. Darrell Green 7. Mike Singletary 6. Deion Sanders 5. Ronnie Lott 4. Aaron Donald 3. Ray Lewis 2. Reggie White 1. Lawrence Taylor
I will agree that in this Era defense is a lot harder, which makes Aaron Donald very impressive. But Reggie White had 16 sacks. In 6 OF HIS 8 first seasons. AD has 3 of them maybe bro.
The best ever? It's hard to tell, but he could literally retire right now if he wanted to, and still be eligible for the HOF. That man has shown nothing but dominance
Stephen A just pass that GOAT title around to anybody whose currently playing accept to LeBron 😂 I still remember when he called Donavan Mitchell the Greatest Jazz ever 😒
Hey, you ! I want you to get up and take a little step 🚶🏽. I know I may feel impossible, I need you to work hard, trust the process, and have faith 🙏🏽❤️🔥!
Simple answer no L.T is never even watched him cause I am 20 but the fact he won MVP dpoy and a Super Bowl in one season that will most likely never happen again.
We started talking about him about so much as being in the conversation as the best ever when he was just 27/28 years old. That alone says that he’s more than likely the best ever.
Donald and Joe Greene get in the backfield like there are no O-lineman. As interior D-Lineman they deserve extra respect. I really think Donald is in the goat conversation.
Randy White was an absolute monster. Probably the best defensive lineman in the late 1970s/early 1980s, incredibly quick and the most intimidating player in the league. No mention of Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Jack Youngblood, Deacon Jones. There have been some tremendous defensive lineman. Donald is great but there are a lot of players that can be in the discussion.
Bruce Smith got 200 sacks total from basically the same positin as Donald. Think about it. (And it was harder back then cause teams ran it 40 times a game and it was legal to block people). To get that you need 20 seasons of 10 sacks per yr or 10 seasons of 20. Now Imagine how insane Reggie White was. He had only 2 sacks less but played 4 years less. Think how insane that is
hes up there ... now i might be a youngcat thats only 18yrs old that doesnt know anything but by all means the best player ive seen play so far at this outstanding elite position is Aaron Donald .. this man goes out and literally gets it .. he has 6.0 sacks in his last 10 playoff games ... he definitly might need a ring or 2 more , along w another DPOY possible
1. LT 2. Reggie white 3. Ray Lewis 4. Prime time 5. Bruce Smith 6. Mean joe 7. Donald 8. Hailey 9. Reed 10. Kevin Green Honorable mention both 🙏🏿 Derrick Thomas, junior Seau
bring this guy back! it flelt like old skip days to me.. this debate was enjoyable.. im here for maddog on 1st take as a regular!!!
every wed
Mad Dog:“I could’ve rushed that bengals” o-line on a Sunday
Me: 😂😂 You ain’t lying them boys gave up 50+ sacks
As a Bengals fan since the 70s I truly believe you.....and I have no freakin clue who or what you are.
Facts
70 total including playoffs
As a Bengals fan since 1985 yeah our O Line was a major problem & Burrow getting us to that game was one of the most unbelievable accomplishments I’ve ever seen.
Hopefully we have fixed our line issues cause our skill players are scary great like Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins etc.
@@patrickgray5633facts and to be honest the argument that Lamar is better than burrow is disrespectful. Lamar had the best team in the league and lost. He also lost to burrow who had the worse o line in years
Why is nobody talking about Deion Sanders. 9 time first-team all-pro, 8 pro bowl selections, a defensive player of the year as a corner, 25 yards per interception. He locked one side of the field and he didn’t have the luxury of resting. The man played on every possession, kick and punt returns, offense as a receiver and defense as a corner and he was the best corner this league has seen by far. Him and LT are by far the greatest defenders because no other players had the dominance they had on their positions defensively.
THANK YOU KERKE..
Preach!
We know why... Pspsps I said this because of how he is perceived through the media . Same hate the Lamar Jackson's, Jalen Ramsey's, obj is always gonna have they hate to see a black man act like where he is from . And hold it with pride .( p) If you are the image that they want you to be . You'll have a army of Connor's at your defense .
6 first team all-pros....
I think they mean D line cause if it’s just defense period then it’s LT and Deion after that it’s a debate
Lawrence Taylor said it best “I don’t consider myself the best defensive player of all time… I look at Reggie White… and we know Reggie was a religious man. When he lined up everyone was praying on offenses that he didn’t hurt them and Reggie was praying that he didn’t hurt you.”
lol its 2022..scary people don't have nothing to do with you on the field for one he's a DT putting DE stats lol to sit there and not even try to discuss it jus because u like how football use to be played or they played nd hurt people is dumb especially wen his stats nd achievements meet the criteria to ..I mean deion sanders honestly is only athlete ever in any sport if you think about it is only person where his position CB will never be up for debate about who's best ever at his position...so I mean its not guaranteed to be LT....forever lol das all its like a bias discussion
(Top 10 Defensive Approximate Values)
Reggie White, 231🥇
Bruce Smith, 229🥈
Ray Lewis, 224🥉
Alan Page, 197
Junior Seau, 195
Lawrence Taylor, 192
Rod Woodson, 192
Derrick Brooks, 192
Julius Peppers, 185
Carl Eller, 180
Aaron Donald current is 130 in 8 seasons, in 15 seasons his AV pace is 243 which would be🥇
@@brandonmoyd2942 definitely worried about the wrong stuff
@@keeyannaniicole7592 bro I am quoting what LT said on the NFL all time top 100 team… also I wasn’t born till a month after the packers won the 1996 Super Bowl… so sit down. Also Go back you will see that Reggie white closed out the super bowl in 96 in a better way. Also Reggie had three sack in his super bowl compared to Arron Donald’s two sacks… so again I say this your a prisoner of the moment. Also to say intimidation isn’t apart of the game of football is maybe the dumbest take in the world
@@brandonmoyd2942 Arron Donald is 30 it’d be cool if you are right but there is no way he is playing till he is 37
These two are perfect together! You have to pair complete opposites that have competitive chemistry but ultimately work together
Lmfao word
What i was thinking & he lookn like skip 2.0💀
Mad Dog is perfect for this show! Bring him back asap
Why new skip Bayless?
@@tommyisrael6038 dude got the haircut n all LMAOOO 😭
@@tommyisrael6038 Mad Dog is far from new lol
Ray Lewis - 13x pro bowler, 10x All pro (7 first team), 2x Super Bowl champ, Super bowl MVP, 2x DPOTY, led the NFL in tackles 5 seasons, and the leader of arguably the greatest defense of all time in the 2000 Ravens who holds the all time records for fewest points and fewest rush yards giving up in a season. He deserves more recognition in this conversation
He ain’t L.T.
@@MitchGreen_LLC LT was a hybrid pass rusher/OLB...Ray was a MLB...They had different responsibilities but Ray was just as good at his position as LT was at his
@@CSmoothh L.T. mean left tackle
Lawrence Taylor > Ray Lewis.
@@CSmoothh LT was better at defense overall however.
LT impacted both sides of the ball offense and defense. His impact on defense speaks for itself. But he changed how offense approached the game to stop LT.
He invented the H-Back position. It got invented by Joe Gibbs to block him. Olineman back in the day put their hands in the dirt before the snap but due to LT being so great they made them put them in the knees cause they couldn't block him straight ahead. Let alone making the Left Tackle and outside Linebacker position famous. The League twisted the rules to stop him cause he was so great.
honestly, you can make an argument that nowadays athletes are better because there dealing with the fallout from lt and still putting up impressive seasons. AD revitalizes careers Clay Mathews had his best season in like 5 years and the end of his career, people thought Von Miller was falling off, Leonard Floyd was looked at as a bust and had his best season with the rams, the same can be said about Dante Fowler but Fowler got a contract and has not nearly been as effective without Donald. To top it off he's a dt that's playing during a time that the rules are geared towards the offense way more heavily than the 80s
Mad dog needs to be here more often. They fit well together and have chemistry
he has skip vibes
@@he4tl1f3r2 Skip Bayless without all the trolling.
Stephen A wanted Skip Bayless back so bad that he went and got the Great Value version of it, Mad Dog Bayless, lol
This takes you back with all the shouting and back and forth extravaganza of back in the day, SAS and Great Value Skip Bayless
He's going to be on every Wednesday now
*Most 1st Team All Pros in first 8 seasons*
7 - Aaron Donald, Lawrence Taylor
6 - Reggie White, Bobby Bell
how reggie only won 6 blows my mind. he averaged nearly 16 sacks a season for his first 8 seasons. donald has only crested that mark once in his first 8 seasons. i get there different eras, but reggie white was an absolute MONSTER and get so disrespected
We like to talk about how strong Arron Donald is but Reggie White was doing it with one freaking arm. Reggie white was man handling offensive line men with one freaking arm
@@OB-xf3jz
In 1985 he lost out due to the great play of Richard Dent and Howie Long
In 1992 he did make 2nd team all pro but lost out to Clyde Simmons and Chris Doleman for first
@@kaihaken5200 I’ve seen AD do tht many times
Bob Lilly went 7 all pro first 8 seasons
Chris Russo is great he really keeps up with Steven A. The show is really fantastic when Chris is on.
totally agree!! like the ole skip days.. how do we get him on as a reg?>
And he knows the sports more than Stephen A . Stephen A is just louder .
Espn needs to offer him a contract. Kinda Looks like skip too lol
Love Donald, but let's not forget LT, Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones. I'd go with LT. I have watched him and Donald. I feel like LT gets a slight edge, but Donald is definitely in the conversation. So are some others I left off list.
LT also was on cocaine his entire career so
@@zephanjoseph3243 cocaine make you play better?
LT all day
I don't understand how people just think because someone was great in there era there isn't a player who can come close to them. I'm sorry Aaron Donald is the best Player in this area hands down. Stop comparing a LB to a Defensive Tackle. Nobody in history getting Doubled or Tripled team. Like what are we really talking about here.
@@Cjdavis-vf8np I don’t think they understand how difficult it is to get this many sacks playing on the interior dline he’s literally taking on triple teams almost every play
People don’t talk about Alan Page enough when it comes to greatest defenders of all time. He was one of only 2 defensive players to win mvp, the other being LT
well mvp is a pretty shitty way 2 judge a player but alan is def t10 ever, i agree with that his qb and offense just cost him sbs
@@windowpainzplays8601 its nit shitty eay to judge a defensive player that won the MVP. A DEFENSIVE PLAYEE. Lawrence Taylor and Alan Page won the MVP. Aaron Donald got as much 14 or more sack seasons as Chris Jones
@@erikpuka2627 ah i c now what ur agenda is with the last sentence, u just dont like AD
well lets be honest if Mahomes didnt have a 50TD season Donald would probably have an MVP too
@@zachtaylor225 Drew Brees got more votes than Donald that ye
Mad Dog needs to be permanent he is great...wait till baseball season
Man the disrespect that Reggie White gets man. Just go watch tape of that man to see he is one of the most dominant defensive players of all time.
People that actually watched the game know what time it was with the Minister 💯 …ESPN stay disrespecting the past. 🤷🏽♂️
@@CensorTube84 Bruce Smith got 200 sacks total from basically the same positin as Donald. Think about it. (And it was harder back then cause teams ran it 40 times a game and it was legal to block people). To get that you need 20 seasons of 10 sacks per yr or 10 seasons of 20. Now Imagine how insane Reggie White was. He had only 2 sacks less but played 4 years less.
For real
@@erikpuka2627Wrong Bruce Smith was a DE, Donald a DT.
Y'all should have MAD DOG on more often!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
I think he is on the show permanently
He'll be on every Wednesday
facts!
Get that bootleg Skip Bayles out of here
@@kevinchavis2755 😂
Mad dog is like a young skip, should be on more
Young skip?
Mad dog is the OG
Skip learned from him
@@madddoggnogood1491 skip is older than him what u talkin about.
@@gameoverability1876 age has nothing to do with it.
Madd dogg was doing sports debate be4 skip wss
I like this guy, he’s matching SA’s energy
Yeah skip Bayless
These two should pair up more often.
💯💯💯
Donald is definitely up there, but I don't think he's one of the five all-time greatest defensive players. My top 10 would be:
1. Lawrence Taylor (2x SB Champion, NFL MVP, 3x DPOY, 8x First-team All-Pro, 2x Second-team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, 142 sacks, 54 FF, 80's All-Decade Team)
2. Reggie White (SB Champion, 2x DPOY, 8x First-team All-Pro, 5x Second-team All-Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, 2x sacks leader, 198 sacks, 33 FF, 80's and 90's All-Decade Team)
3. Bruce Smith (2x DPOY, 8x First-team All-Pro, 2x Second-team All-Pro, 11x Pro Bowl, most sacks in NFL history (200), 43 FF, 80's and 90's All-Decade Team)
4. Ray Lewis (2x SB Champion, SB MVP, 2x DPOY, 7x First-team All-Pro, 3x Second-team All-Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, 3x tackles leader, most tackles (2059) and solo tackles (1568) in NFL history, 2000's All-Decade Team)
5. Deion Sanders (Stats are meaningless since he was a CB)
6. Deacon Jones (2x DPOY, 5x First-team All-Pro, 3x Second-team All-Pro, 8x Pro Bowl, approximately 194 sacks, 60's All-Decade Team)
7. Joe Greene (4x SB Champion, 2x DPOY, 5x First-team All-Pro, 3x Second-team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, 78 sacks, 70's All-Decade Team)
8. Aaron Donald (SB Champion, 3x DPOY, 7x First-team All-Pro, 8x Pro Bowl, 98 sacks, 441 tackles, 23 FF, 2010's All-Decade Team)
9. Jack Lambert (4x SB Champion, DPOY, 6x First-team All-Pro, 2x Second-team All-Pro, 9x Pro Bowl, 1479 tackles, 23 sacks, 70's and 80's All-Decade Team)
10. Mike Singletary (SB Champion, 2x DPOY, 7x First-team All-Pro, 1x Second-team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, 1488 tackles, 19 sacks, 80's All-Decade Team)
Donald is definitely top 3
This is asinine
I think people need to remember that Donald has only played 8 seasons. You are comparing stats/awards of players who completed 11-19 years to a person who has played only 8 and is still actively playing. Also, you forgot that Donald was also the rookie defensive player of the year.
Deion is top 2 r we serious right now
Donald is better than Ray Lewis I’m 100% sure of that lmao
The fact that this is an actual discussion and he’s only 8 years in, says enough
He is not in an actual discussion
He is only the topic cuz espn wants to hype him up
Nobody knowledgable doesnt even thinks that he is better than tj watt let alone best ever
@@lukacalov1988 you’re clearly a casual, ur an embarrassment. AD is the greatest defensive player ever! I’d take him over LT. TJ Watt are you kidding me ?? You have to be trolling
@@Elusivve clown
@@Elusivve Luka is definitely a clown with that take but you take isn't that much better. Not taking AD over LT or Prime. All Time defenders is a very short list over AD tho
It says nothing
Stephen A has met his match, this is awesome!
Who is old enough to remember the greatness of Derrick Thomas?? One of the most dominant players I've ever seen. He was to LT like Kobe was to Jordan. Where would he rank if his career wasn't cut so short by a tragic accident.
Man I hate that we lost him. He was going to be the closest to Lt than anyone. 👍👍
DT was an absolutely awful run defender. He was so bad the Chiefs would sit him in obvious running downs.
Bring this guy on more often. I love his energy!
Mad Dog is the NY radio goat
dudes a legend in New york sports
the twin of skip bayless
@@thepositivelyfe8114 nah mad dog is legit skip became a character based on negativity. Mad dog bring knowledge in every take he has. You can't debate baseball with him and he knows his football. Steven knows his basketball so it'll be interesting to see who can win on each other's expertise
KEEP THIS MAN WITH STEPHEN A FOR THE SAKE OF SPORTS TELEVISION 😭😭
They stay disrespecting Reggie White!
On the real though smh
Here’s my favorite Reggie White stat
First 137 games he recorded 137 sacks
and BRUUUCCCCCEE
@@Terror832 And they did it in the RUN first era when teams threw the ball 30-40% less than what they do today. More throws = more sack and interception opportunities for the other team's defense. Reggie White in this era would be getting 20 sacks a season year in year out.
@@thehollowedtree9586 from what I researched
Teams threw the ball an average of 30-32 times from the late 80s-early 90s (Reggie’s prime)
From 2011 to present, teams consistently throw 34-35 times a game.
So only a 10-15% increase if that.
But I’m not gonna deny that the game 30 years ago was not as QB friendly as it is today.
Like in 1992 only 1 QB threw for 3500+ yards compared to 18 QBs in 2021.
I’m gonna say LT in my opinion because the way that he change the game of football
Totally agree,
This first take version of Joel Osteen against Stephen a Smith
Mad Dog is like Skip with Stephen A's temperament
😂😂😂😂 and I love it.
LT, Deion Sanders, and Ray Lewis are in my Top 3 all time Defensive Players ever, everyone else is fair game but I can say that AD who’s the best player in the world now is Top 5, Top 7 at least but Longevity is important as well and if Aaron Donald decides if he wants to keep playing years to come, this debate finna change❗️
Not mad at ya top 3 at all. Those were my original top 3 all time but I slid AD in there over Deion Sanders just slightly
Steven A never fails to make me laugh😭
Lawrence Taylor was so great he'd could cover in the passing game
Stephen A is right on this precisely because of the difficulty modern defensive players face. Look at how even on the final play of the Super Bowl, Donald had the control to not throw his weight on the QB, avoids a roughing the passer call. You take this guy off the leash and put him into the 90's there's not much of a discussion to be had.
Best comment on the topic
First Take should be SAS and Mad Dog full time.
Chris Russo the new Skip Bayless. Get em Mad Dog!!
Mad dog is the OG
Skip learned from him
Bruh the way the video starts is all of our reaction to the title
Mad Dog come back for the rest of the week please 🙏 🙂 😆
"The bengals line was so bad I could of rushed the quarterback" is the best thing I heard all day
They were Tripple teaming Ad though.
hilarious lol
Mad Dog is such a gift lol
Its LT then everybody else period.....💯
Donald is certainly in top 10 defensive player all time. I would still put Reggie white and LT ahead of Donald tho.
Mad Dog's mind and knowledge of sports is too good for this show. This ESPN stage is for nonsense, not smarts.
It's hilarious to see Stephen A struggle against someone older than him bringing up names from the 50s and 60s.
They should do that with basketball too. I don't particularly like him disrespecting guys like Big O and Jerry West in "all time" discussions
What is he supposed to do? He was barely alive yet
@@christopherc6103 you can watch plenty of old footage it’s out there if you care about the history of the sport
@@jasonbari5997 you can't make any judgments when all there is are highlights
These two deserve a network all to themselves! They are gold together!
Mad Dog looks like an aggressive version of Skip!
Mad dog is on point today.
2 New Yorker's going at it...I love it!!😊
These two are a good fit
I like this dude, have him on more often, Stephen A usually just raises his voice and the other guy laughs and concedes the point, not this guy
It's hard to say because they pass more which gives you more opportunity for sacks same thing with every sport offensive concepts change
#56 LT 🐐 of all GOAT'S
This guys should be his co host its funny how good they are together.
He’s the best in HIS generation 🤷🏽♂️
Not better then watt
@@alphareturnz4292 watt doesn’t even come close
@@alphareturnz4292 Watt is a dope player and future HOF but he’s not in the same class as AD 🤷🏽♂️
Watt should have an MVP nd is the only player with multiple 20.5 sack years back to back he has 3 dpoy nd he has multiple offensive nd defensive touchdowns all that while playing less years healthy then AD. So yea they’re not in the same class Watt is a top 5 defensive player ever nd AD is barely top 10
Ray Lewis? Troy P? Warren Sapp? Derrick Brooks? Ed Reed?
Mad dog is perfect for this show
Off the top of my head without researching:
10. Rod Woodson/Ed Reed
9. Junior Seau
8. Darrell Green
7. Mike Singletary
6. Deion Sanders
5. Ronnie Lott
4. Aaron Donald
3. Ray Lewis
2. Reggie White
1. Lawrence Taylor
No Rod Woodson? No Ed Reed?
not too much to argue with on that list man, Wow there is some DOMINANT players there. I agree that LT would be at the top of my list too.
@@jaytheactivist8520 great points. That was off the top. I might have to edit it. Appreciate the feedback
No Troy Polamalu. No JJ Watt
@@NoGutsNoGlory-s7x they’re definitely from 11-20. Not top 10 in my opinion
More Mad Dog!!
It was a different era 30 years ago, to the point of nostalgia, these old head refuse to see any other way lol
They hate to see anyone top the guys they watched growing up!
Agreed they don’t realize if Donald was to play in those eras he’s he just as dominant it ain’t his fault he wasn’t born then
*he’d be
I will agree that in this Era defense is a lot harder, which makes Aaron Donald very impressive.
But Reggie White had 16 sacks. In 6 OF HIS 8 first seasons. AD has 3 of them maybe bro.
Naw just worried about the wrong stuff
Need Mad Dog on here everyday.
Lol ok let’s pump the brakes. He’s for sure one of the greats and in easily top 10 but idk about #1
Look like Skip Bayless yells like Gibert Godfried 🤣😭.. but matches SAS
There’s no way he’s in front of Lawrence Taylor and Reggie white and Bruce Smith
Need to see Mad Dog on here more often!!
The best ever? It's hard to tell, but he could literally retire right now if he wanted to, and still be eligible for the HOF. That man has shown nothing but dominance
He retire rn he is first ballot
2 letters, L.T. aka Mr Lawrence Taylor!
Mic drop .
End of conversation!
You have a short memory. Reggie White and Deion Sanders to name two
LT too
As someone who grew up listening to NYC sports radio (specifically Mike and the Mad Dog) I love hearing these 2 scream at each other.
This guy is wanted back on the set of The Irishman 2.
😂😂😂😂😂 relax
BRO THEY NEED TO COHOST
Stephen A just pass that GOAT title around to anybody whose currently playing accept to LeBron 😂 I still remember when he called Donavan Mitchell the Greatest Jazz ever 😒
Steven A knows how the Media Works....he knows what he's doing
This dude mad dog!!!! I LOVE IT!!! He’s amazing and passionate. Needs to keep this spot permanently
Hey, you ! I want you to get up and take a little step 🚶🏽. I know I may feel impossible, I need you to work hard, trust the process, and have faith 🙏🏽❤️🔥!
Same bro
Stephen A and Mad dog = Great Great show!!!!!!!
Simple answer no L.T is never even watched him cause I am 20 but the fact he won MVP dpoy and a Super Bowl in one season that will most likely never happen again.
If anybody can do it Donald can
Ray Lewis won DPOY and SB MVP in 2000.
No one has accomplished that.
Deion Sanders too
LT, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Von Miller
We started talking about him about so much as being in the conversation as the best ever when he was just 27/28 years old. That alone says that he’s more than likely the best ever.
Donald and Joe Greene get in the backfield like there are no O-lineman. As interior D-Lineman they deserve extra respect. I really think Donald is in the goat conversation.
win one more ring then definitely yes!
Lol rings don't make you the best
He held the patriots to like 13 points. Not his fault he doesn’t have 2 rings already
Only Gen Z kids would say he’s the best
Deion Sanders and LT was the best
Yo this is great!!! Mad dog and Stephen A is gold
15 years ago they were arguing is Albert Haynesworth the GOAT
Nobody said that. Stop lying. Folks were saying he was the best DT in the game currently.
No one's commenting about how they found Skip Bayless' replacement that looks exactly like him! Haha!
Lawrence Taylor all day long.
Not that Donald can't catch him one day, but LT is the defensive GOAT.
I think Stephen A just met hus twin, their both insane. more of him please
People forget just how good John Randle was as an undersized DL
I really like this guy working with Stephen A
We need Mad Dog full time
Naw YOU need
@@carlossosa1359 thy deleted what I truly said , just find you sum better to do
Randy White was an absolute monster. Probably the best defensive lineman in the late 1970s/early 1980s, incredibly quick and the most intimidating player in the league. No mention of Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Jack Youngblood, Deacon Jones. There have been some tremendous defensive lineman. Donald is great but there are a lot of players that can be in the discussion.
Donald hands down one of the best. He could have played in the past with the LT, Reggie White and others. He’s a terror to the o line
Bruce Smith got 200 sacks total from basically the same positin as Donald. Think about it. (And it was harder back then cause teams ran it 40 times a game and it was legal to block people). To get that you need 20 seasons of 10 sacks per yr or 10 seasons of 20. Now Imagine how insane Reggie White was. He had only 2 sacks less but played 4 years less. Think how insane that is
hes up there ... now i might be a youngcat thats only 18yrs old that doesnt know anything but by all means the best player ive seen play so far at this outstanding elite position is Aaron Donald .. this man goes out and literally gets it .. he has 6.0 sacks in his last 10 playoff games ... he definitly might need a ring or 2 more , along w another DPOY possible
Stephen A might lowkey be the black Mad Dog tbh love the synergy tho
SAS found a shouting partner besides Michael Irving
Mad Dog= Skip Bayless Twin 🧑🧑
I understand what Stephen A is saying. With all the rule changes that hand cuff the defense AD is a beast!
More Mad Dog!!!
Mad Dog hit this one right on the button.
JJ Watts before injuries was unstoppable
If you ever played DT, you will understand why what AD did at his position is greater than every other greatest defensive player ever candidate!
Warren sapp
1. LT
2. Reggie white
3. Ray Lewis
4. Prime time
5. Bruce Smith
6. Mean joe
7. Donald
8. Hailey
9. Reed
10. Kevin Green
Honorable mention both 🙏🏿
Derrick Thomas, junior Seau
dude im taking ad over lewis man. stats show. game is diff for ad to
Remember: Reggie white
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