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@@Damon_Barber Jason often has me in stitches with his vids. Sometimes I wonder if that makes me a snitch. Which I would be okay with, because I love Harry Potter.
I’m not even a wood worker, but I just bought one, for three major reasons. 1) The blade shape is really cool, I enjoy cleaver style blades, but this takes it to another level. 2) Rare to see a flipper style opening with a cross bar lock, really dig that. 3) That sound!!! That “ting” when it opens! Really unique. I doubt Metal Complex or other knife reviewers will ever get their hands of them, but it would be cool to see their take on this.
I bought it right away after I got the email. Didn't even watch the video lol. That demonstrates the level of trust I have in what you all produce--they are truly the finest pieces available on the market. Thank you!
I got my Bourbon Moth Blade. My initial impressions of the Bourbon Blade right out of the Box. I flipped it open for the first time and TING. I had to do it again-TING!! What the heck!!! OK that is the sound of being open into a solid base. That is absolutely impressive-very impressive! Blade is sharp but it will be a few days before I can test it. Why? My wood shop (aka. garage) is an oven!! Now, something else. The lock for the opening mechanism is stiff/tight and little difficult to use. I have no doubt it loosens up after a little use. THE BOURBON BLADE IS SOLID AS HELL. I now need a little bourbon to christen the blade. GOOD JOB!!! Note: The locking mechanism is working great after opening/closing it a number of times. Also, I added a little Metabo Pnuematic tool oil and just made it even smoother than it was.
Well damn-I had the belt clip fail on my when trying to use it. I had the last couple of threads fail on me. This a game changer-no it is not because the rest is solid as heck. I did find the screw and wired clip but not the bracket.
Johnathan Thanks for the exceptional customer service. There are many reasons why I do business with you. You keep defining the reason I will keep doing business with you.
As a repeat customer of your KM Tools website, a subscriber of your channel for years, and frequent viewer of your videos, I can honestly say I am a proud supporter of what you do and how you do it. Congratulations on being able to provide your folks healthcare, and congratulations on your continued success! As an up and coming UA-camr/hobbyist woodworker/inventor of sorts myself, I admire what you have built and hope to be there myself, someday. Keep on doing what you're doing and we will continue to support you! Cheers, from Texas!
I absolutely loved this! I’m an engineer and this fascinated by design decisions, tradeoffs etc. I don’t now that I _need_ this (I get almost no time in the wood shop these days), but I *_want_* one after watching this video! It’s going on my birthday wish-list for the family, so consider it sold 👍😁
The Razel was the first thing I thought of when seeing this video. The designer Jon Graham passed away, I'm not reluctant to carry my custom folder from him.
I appreciate that the first thing you addressed was the locking mechanism. My first thought when I heard "folding chisel knife" is "that's a horribly unsafe idea", but it seems you guys also had the same concern and not only addressed it through product design but understood that you had to explain it users as well. That said, I'd still be real hesitant to whack this thing with a hammer while gripping it. I'd be curious to see a slow-mo video of what that lock bar is doing when the knife is being whacked with a hammer.
Yeah it was our number one concern. Had to be safe. That’s a great idea on the video. We have beat the ever loving crap out of them and they are so strong.
PLEASE what is the blade thickness? What is the weight in oz.? What is the total open length? (also nice for some of us would be a listing with the rockwell hardness) . thanks looks like a great job I really hope this knife ("TOOL!!!") stays in production
My Bourbon Blade arrived today. My first impression is that this tool is every bit as impressive as Jonathan and Jason claim. The design is clean and functional and the execution is first rate. It feels super-solid in the hand and It's actually going to be comfortable (read: not scary) to use it as a chisel. As RidgidRon says, below, that TING is really satisfying. The crossbar lock feels extremely secure. The lock-release slide is stiff, but I think that operating it repeatedly so I can close the knife to flip it open to hear the TING again will probably make it a one-handed move pretty quickly. That will mean being extra-careful to keep fingers out of the way, of course. So far, *very* impressive. Edit: Thanks for the left-handed option!
I ordered mine and can’t wit to see how, among many other uses, it works with my Kumiko jigs. It will be nice to have a good, robust chisel with a thinner “knife grip”
I would love to see more videos on the design process and why you made the decisions you made. Beautiful knife and hopefully fills a void I’m sure many shop workers/trades men have in their edc. Would love to know more about the steel you chose. I’ve always thought a 3v chisel knife would be amazing in the shop. But I typically value edge retention and toughness over corrosion resistance. Maybe a premium version with MagnaCut? Anyway, all that to say this knife is beautiful and a very exciting product to see. Can’t wait to get my hands on one and throw it through the test!
I do about 6 minutes on steel choice and why this is such a perfect t choice for this. Edge retention equals brittle and chipping under high stress and toughness means slightly software.
I think it’s a great steel choice. I was just saying I think it would be interesting content to see some videos going more in depth into the r&d behind the decisions made. As you say it’s the first EDC pocket chisel and I’d be curious to see the curtain pulled back a bit on that process. I don’t disagree with any of the decisions, I bought one as soon as I finished the video. It’s an awesome knife, love seeing the creators I follow coming out with products of their own
@@katzmosestools "Edge retention equals brittle and chipping under high stress and toughness means slightly software." This is not necessarily true. Toughness and edge retention are not mutually exclusive. High edge retention does not inherently mean low toughness. The entire reason everybody is so hyped about magnacut is that they took s30v and made it way tougher without reducing edge retention at all.
It looks fantastic received mine a couple of days ago feels great in your hand weighted just right. Just wanted 5o thank you and Jason and the Dutch guy it’s a fantastic product it’s a must buy if you do woodworking. I haven’t taken mine out of the box as I don’t want to get it dirty. Many thanks wheelie steve 👨🏼🦽
Bit of a knife steel and collector nerd myself. Great job, especially for a first knife design! Mora has made a great carbon steel chisel knife for as long as I've known, and I would consider that EDC, especially for a tradesman. Smith & Wesson makes a folding chisel knife, but they use terrible steel. That said, it's great to see an actual user-designed folding chisel knife design that takes it seriously! You guys should definitely try to get this into retail stores, too, maybe under Mikkel Willumsen's brand name, so you can capture a bit of the knife nerd market. What I'd like to see in a "version 2": - Manual locking pin option. Although a crossbar _should_ be strong enough, for a folding design that is intended to be struck on the end, a static locking pin would be the only fail-safe approach I can think of. - Brass washers instead of bearings. Bearings are great for smoothness and feel, but they are also less resilient to getting dirty. Since this is a tool for working wood, self-lubricating brass washers would be smooth enough for fidgeting, but stand up better to sawdust, grit, and pocket lint. Much easier to clean out, too, without disassembly. - Other steel and scale choices. This one is just obvious for a second release. More personalization options, modern powder metallurgy steels that outperform the Sandvik traditional formula in certain metrics, maybe a salt water resistant version for using on a boat, etc. Definitely good for capturing more of the knife collector/user market. (Though I agree with your choices for first run to hit both your performance and price goals.)
Another knife collector nerd here, and i second most of you said. First thing that popped into my head was Graham Knives the designer of the CRK one. And they could something similar to Demko did with a pin in one of his cold steel knives that essentially locks the knife in place because that axis lock copy is strong but its going to fail on people that hammer on the end. And they would need to up the steel quality, because knife nerds are not going to be a fan of that sandvik steel and want something more premium or atleast stronger, I am surprised they just didn't go straight 3V over sandvik tbh.
Putting maxamet, a non-stainless steel up against the 14c28n was a bit misleading. A better comparison would've been the s30v you were contemplating using in the blade, but nonetheless 14c28n is definitely the right choice for this kind of knife
First off, I want to make sure and point out, I'm not bashing your product, I've already placed my pre-order. As a collector and bit of a knife nerd, I am curious why you went with ball bearings over phosphorous bronze washers in the pivot. The ball bearings do give knives a glassy smooth action, but they're prone to gumming up when used in dirty, dusty environments, like a workshop. The phosphorous bronze washers still give a buttery smooth action that not only continues to function well when dirty but are also easier to clean. Also, curious who the OEM manufacturer is, is Mikkel making them, or did you go with an OEM like Kizer or QSP for production?
I wonder if it's possible to have bushings made to fit the same space so the bearings can be replaced with bushings. I also prefer bushings since my knives get USED and I really don't like having to frequently disassemble the knives to clean the bearings.
OTF chisel knife when? haha This looks great! Was just wishing there was a safe way to have a chisel on me everywhere in the shop. Can't exactly keep them in your pocket
I know these are protypes, so a question I have is about the final version and the blade angle to the handle, and also to the butt end of the strike plate. Is the final version going to be parallel, or still retain the slight angle that is evident in these prototypes? I ask because I want to understand how much the front edge of the chisel is going to wander to the side if the blade has that angle included? It will be a learning process to adapt to the induced side to side wander compared to a traditional chisel. How have you and Jason seen this working when using your prototypes? Excellent concept, excellent research, and excellent product!! May just have to order a Left and a Right for my shop use 😊
Really awesome you’re able to get your employees health insurance! People don’t realize how much of a financial burden that is on a business. Phenomenal job
Ya never know much you'd use one til you carry it everyday! Same with my pen light by streamlight! It's the only "pen" light that's the size of an actual pen!!!
I absolutely love buying tools from KM Tools! Knowing what you do for your employees and customers make it a no Brainerd! Speaking of no brains, if you hadn't had Jason's help I'd probably buy one!😂 Actually I am definitely getting at least one of them!
Just got mine. immediately cut myself on first open on the point. 12/10. Best thing ever. No notes. Ok maybe one. Lock could use a hint of oil to make it a bit easier to use. As it stands it not only takes your thumb and index finger to close but you'll need your opposite hand to close the blade. Nothing a little wd40 can't fix. Can confirm it works great on reflective tape for HVAC. Your wife may be like "WTF is that?", but just remember she doesn't know your quests. You've worked too hard to not have this badass belated fathers day gift you gave to yourself.
What are these knives hardened to? It's not listed on either of your websites. I had this idea a long time ago, but not the means to make it reality. I too would have preferred to see this in S30V or even better S35VN, but I wouldn't beat on this tool to the extent you're describing. That said Rockwell hardness is nearly as important as steel, and if you could share this information here and or on your site I think it would go a long way to inform not just my purchasing decision, but also that of other potential customers.
@@katzmosestools The first batch finished shipping roughly a month ago and from what I can tell this information still hasn't been provided. I'm sure you're busy, and I hope you're doing well. Just thought I'd post a reminder. Hopefully it's something you can get to at some point.
I recently bought a dewalt table saw 10 inch DWE7491RS and would like to buy a multipurpose saw blade. Just in case I accidentally cut metal nails or screws. Which one should I purchase? I'm new to woodworking. Sooner or later, I need to build a sled also
A question about the bevel (or bevels, which is actually the question). Is there a reason for the secondary bevel? Is there a reason not to regrind the blade to create a single bevel, other than the time required? Thanks!
@@katzmosestools I sharpen all my chisels with a single bevel, even though I completely understand the reasons for a secondary micro-bevel. Leaving that totally to one side (which is where it belongs), this is a truly outstanding tool. I just left a fairly long and very positive review on your website. Too many good things to say about this to even try to summarize here. Excellent work!
That's super cool, and as a knife obsessed woodworked I love the idea, but I can't help but wonder what the longevity of it will be. You can't really sharpen more than a 1/4 inch off the tip without it becoming a little dangerous when folded because of the exposed tip along the spine. If you are regularly using it to chisel stuff and want to keep that portion sharp then in a few years the knife becomes a little uncarryable.
When are you guys going to make a version with a tanto blade? Its kinda like a skew tip chisel but also serves as a regular knife like non-woodworkers might want. I'd get both.
When will the first batch ship? Is this a limited drop or full production run? Is the price on the website for pre-order only or is that the long-term price?
The ceramic mug method words but only by pushing the blade forwards, not sliding down the edge like this. It’s not an ideal way to sharpen but can get you out of trouble if you need an edge and have no other tools.
Just read through that bladehq article and im surprised they rated 14c28n so high on the toughness, even over 3v. But they also rated H1 as number one even over 420HC which doesn't make sense. IF H1 was so tough, all the ball bearings in the world would be made out of H1. And they put LC200n tougher than 52100. BTW cool knife, glad your entering the knife market!
For bearing applications you don’t ever need to sharpen them. Toughness and ease of sharpening is the opposite of hard so bearings are going to be built out of something more towards the middle of the spectrum to avoid unnecessary wear from being spun millions of times. You should read the whole article if you haven’t. It’s really fascinating.
The above is a great answer, but I'll just add this.... I think you have a misunderstanding of what toughness actually means in this context. A material that is tough is less likely to break or fracture. This typically means that it deforms first. Gold is malleable, deforms easily, and is much tougher than any knife steel but it doesn't perform particularly well as a knife or a bearing for that matter. An incredibly hard knife will chip at the edge or break when dropped. An incredibly tough knife is prone to rolling its edge. Knife steels occupy the usable space on the spectrum between these extremes and where an individual alloy falls on this scale impacts edge retention and ease of sharpening/abrasion.
Great concept, collaboration and end result from two of my favorite makers. JKM, are you going to be bringing some to the Texas Woodworking Festival? You can go ahead and bring Jason too if you want. Ordering one and I'll see you there. - Chris
Found it by taking a screenshot of it in the video and running it through a reverse image search. It's called the Kinetic Driver by Giaco. It basically has a flywheel that will spin the driver smoothly.
Moisture from sweat in your pocket, water based finishes, sharpening, wet sanding, humidity and so many other potential uses where it would come in contact with water.
I can't seem to find it written down, is the blade opening mechanism spring activated? It looked like it was on the video. If so it's unfortunately illegal in Canada.
Question. I'm right handed but i tend to hold the chisel with my left hand and bang with hammer by my right. Which one should I get? The Burbon Blade Shirt would be cool also. Just sayin'.
Why is the back of the handle and back of the knife not in a straight line? It would look better and the force would be going straighter when chiseling with a hammer.
Preordered. This "knife?" has been on my YT startup page for a couple days and I was so confused by it I never clicked through to see what it was me not being a knife collector and all. Now it's 1am on a Tuesday. I'm drunk and autisticly trying to figure out who's shop I have a better chance of getting a first run from. "If train A has 550k cars and train B has 1.11m cars how is the first run of knives split between the two trains and will which one has a better chance of stopping by my place?"
@@monty1254 sorry no, it's more about a need for a job vs casual carry, eg a roll of chef's knives is fine, a hunting knife when going shooting. A 8" diver's knife with wet-suit & goggles…
Are you worried about edge retention with a softer steel like that? I feel like I'd have expected D2 or another harder steel. Most bench chisels I see tend to lean towards using an extremely hard steel. Love the design though!
@@evrac1 I like it. It's a very common injury amongst wood workers, often resulting from careless handling of machines and therefore a good reminder; in my opinion. I totally understand why someone wouldn't like it or be offended by it, though. Especially if they or anyone they know have had this experience (Or for reasons of vulgarity for that matter...)
Looks weird to me and subject to fold. If you develop an inline version I’m a buyer. I already have your dovetail jig and crosscut sled stop. Love both your channels. 🎉
Thanks for your support my friend. Obviously we disagree with your assessment or we wouldn’t have released it. Mikkel has 28 years of knife design experience and has designed for some of the biggest names in the game. Jason has many years of destroying things experience and I have to accept the liability.
@@BobAmarant Bob: I've only had mine for a few days, but my assessment so far is that you'd have to do ridiculously-abusive things to this tool to cause it to fold unintentionally. You'd have to try, and it wouldn't be easy.
I had no idea you were such a knife snob. lol. I also suffer from your knife fetish. I have a similar affliction. My new everyday carry is an Ace Biblio with brass scales and M390. I do have many of the blades you talked about. I can certainly get on board with this knife but I would like to see a tougher steel. I will be on board as soon as you make one with something like M4 or even the new Magna Steel. Magna may actually excel with this type of design. Looking forward to seeing where this will all go.
@@katzmosestools I've had a knife or two with sandvik, and I was unhappy mostly due to the edge retention. I suppose I need to remember this is not a knife, so edge retention is not the most important factor. I may be coming around to it. lol
@@katzmosestools Weird, I never had a triad lock come unlocked when I was gripping the knife. But yeah, since the patent has run out on the crossbar lock, it’s probably the best option for a tool like this. I sure wouldn’t trust any liner lock or frame lock to hold up for any length of time. Out of all the lock designs out there to choose from, I think y’all went with the top option.
@@FriedPi-mc5yt yeah he should of just said its patented.. dude found the .0001% of the population that had a triad lock come unlocked on them. #1 gripe i heard about the triad locks were they were hard to open one handed, but that's about it.
@@rpnp2 They might be a little hard to open when new. But once they are broken in, they are really smooth for a mid lock. I mean, they will never be as buttery smooth as a well made liner lock or a bunch of other lock types. But they can be pretty smooth. I usually take mine apart, clean all the oil off and buff all the engagement points to a mirror finish. Then re-oil them and put them back together with blue loctite on every screw. I’ve done enough of them to know what to look for and where on the parts to put effort. On some of them I’ve even reduced the spring pressure on the lock bar because they were hell to unlock with one hand. I’ve carried the XL Voyager knives for years on lots of construction jobs and never had one close on me by accident. I had several from other knife companies that did. One Benchmade in particular. It was a liner lock. I was making a twisting cut and the meat of my index finger got onto the liner lock just enough to disengage it. Fortunately it didn’t cut me bad, but it got my attention as to how a badly designed liner lock could ruin your day. I also had a liner lock fail on me and it bent more easily than I thought was possible. I don’t buy liner locks anymore for the most part. The ones I still have are strictly for opening boxes and envelopes. Edit: I almost forgot. The Cold Steel AD 10 really surprised me. The one I got was the most butter smooth triad lock I ever pulled out of a box. Lots of other people have made the same comment. I’m not sure what voodoo was worked at the factory for that one. But it was really amazing right out of the box. If you get the urge for a new knife, that’s definitely one you should have in your collection. It’s a 3.5” blade of S35VN with G10 handles and I believe it has aluminum liners. It’s a chunk too. If would make a nice fist load for a bar fight. 😂
Wait... so you guys can carry 2 handed knives? I didn't realize you guys were still toting around Kriegsmessers xD I'm interested in what locking mechanisms you're restricted to. Do you only have slip joints and frame locks, or does the restriction have to do with the inclusion of a flipper tab?
@@greenie277 2 handed in that context means you need to open it with 2 hands. so anything you can open with just one is immediatly illegal to carry. so, thumb knob, flip tab, otf, butterfly all of it is out. Leatherman actually makes a Wave version that doesnt have the hole cutout in the main blade, just so you can carry it here. other than that, you have a length restriction that i dont remember from the top of my head. think its somewhere around 9-12 cm, so ruffly 4-5 inches for folding knives. bit longer for fixed ones.
@@halsti99 Wow, maybe there are a lot of options made specifically for your market, but that seems pretty restrictive. I think the only knife I have that meets those requirements that isn't some cheap multi-tool is a case knives slip joint folder. Thanks for the reply, and for entertaining my curiosity.
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I know we made this product together, But I still learned a lot in this video 😂
I’m still surprised nobody ended up with stitches
@@katzmosestoolsI can help with that. Got mine on order, just a matter of time.
Well…. Jason had me in stitches with his entry and exit. 😂😂😂😂
@@Damon_Barber Jason often has me in stitches with his vids. Sometimes I wonder if that makes me a snitch. Which I would be okay with, because I love Harry Potter.
@@_WillCAD_ 😝😂😂
big props for making a left handed version!
I’m not even a wood worker, but I just bought one, for three major reasons.
1) The blade shape is really cool, I enjoy cleaver style blades, but this takes it to another level.
2) Rare to see a flipper style opening with a cross bar lock, really dig that.
3) That sound!!! That “ting” when it opens! Really unique.
I doubt Metal Complex or other knife reviewers will ever get their hands of them, but it would be cool to see their take on this.
Apparently you don't own a Case Knife.
I bought it right away after I got the email. Didn't even watch the video lol. That demonstrates the level of trust I have in what you all produce--they are truly the finest pieces available on the market. Thank you!
Same!
Means a lot my friend
I got my Bourbon Moth Blade. My initial impressions of the Bourbon Blade right out of the Box. I flipped it open for the first time and TING. I had to do it again-TING!! What the heck!!! OK that is the sound of being open into a solid base. That is absolutely impressive-very impressive! Blade is sharp but it will be a few days before I can test it. Why? My wood shop (aka. garage) is an oven!! Now, something else. The lock for the opening mechanism is stiff/tight and little difficult to use. I have no doubt it loosens up after a little use. THE BOURBON BLADE IS SOLID AS HELL. I now need a little bourbon to christen the blade. GOOD JOB!!! Note: The locking mechanism is working great after opening/closing it a number of times. Also, I added a little Metabo Pnuematic tool oil and just made it even smoother than it was.
Well damn-I had the belt clip fail on my when trying to use it. I had the last couple of threads fail on me. This a game changer-no it is not because the rest is solid as heck. I did find the screw and wired clip but not the bracket.
Johnathan Thanks for the exceptional customer service. There are many reasons why I do business with you. You keep defining the reason I will keep doing business with you.
As a repeat customer of your KM Tools website, a subscriber of your channel for years, and frequent viewer of your videos, I can honestly say I am a proud supporter of what you do and how you do it. Congratulations on being able to provide your folks healthcare, and congratulations on your continued success! As an up and coming UA-camr/hobbyist woodworker/inventor of sorts myself, I admire what you have built and hope to be there myself, someday. Keep on doing what you're doing and we will continue to support you! Cheers, from Texas!
That really means a lot my friend
I absolutely loved this! I’m an engineer and this fascinated by design decisions, tradeoffs etc.
I don’t now that I _need_ this (I get almost no time in the wood shop these days), but I *_want_* one after watching this video!
It’s going on my birthday wish-list for the family, so consider it sold 👍😁
I got to test it out last week in Jonathan's shop and It's fantastic!
Nice work boys you knocked it out of the park🔥🔥🔥
PS The table is way cleaner in this video than when I was there 😂
😂😂😂 fair
I’m a finish carpenter. Going to get some of these for Christmas presents for me and my employees
I’ve carried a CRKT Razel for around 20 years, including deployments. So useful.
The Razel was the first thing I thought of when seeing this video. The designer Jon Graham passed away, I'm not reluctant to carry my custom folder from him.
I owned one of those for several months before I even noticed that the other edge was actually sharpened. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder why they speak as though chisel knives never existed until they made this one.
I had one for a while, then became a Spyderco fan. The Manix crossbar lock is what sold me on this. Looking forward to giving it a try.
Been looking for something like this for a while, I'll be sure to get one
I appreciate that the first thing you addressed was the locking mechanism. My first thought when I heard "folding chisel knife" is "that's a horribly unsafe idea", but it seems you guys also had the same concern and not only addressed it through product design but understood that you had to explain it users as well. That said, I'd still be real hesitant to whack this thing with a hammer while gripping it.
I'd be curious to see a slow-mo video of what that lock bar is doing when the knife is being whacked with a hammer.
Yeah it was our number one concern. Had to be safe. That’s a great idea on the video. We have beat the ever loving crap out of them and they are so strong.
Will we know this got fashionable with gangsta types when we see street furniture and park benches tagged with neatly cut mortices and dovetail pins ?
Pre-ordered a chisel-knife and shirt. Can't wait until I receive it. Great job from my two favorite UA-camrs!
Awesome! Thank you!
PLEASE what is the blade thickness?
What is the weight in oz.?
What is the total open length?
(also nice for some of us would be a listing with the rockwell hardness)
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thanks looks like a great job I really hope this knife ("TOOL!!!") stays in production
My Bourbon Blade arrived today. My first impression is that this tool is every bit as impressive as Jonathan and Jason claim. The design is clean and functional and the execution is first rate. It feels super-solid in the hand and It's actually going to be comfortable (read: not scary) to use it as a chisel. As RidgidRon says, below, that TING is really satisfying. The crossbar lock feels extremely secure. The lock-release slide is stiff, but I think that operating it repeatedly so I can close the knife to flip it open to hear the TING again will probably make it a one-handed move pretty quickly. That will mean being extra-careful to keep fingers out of the way, of course. So far, *very* impressive. Edit: Thanks for the left-handed option!
Thank you my friend
A brilliant tool for sure. Beautiful.
I ordered mine and can’t wit to see how, among many other uses, it works with my Kumiko jigs. It will be nice to have a good, robust chisel with a thinner “knife grip”
Congratulations - love that you did this, and looks like you nailed it! I've ordered mine, and can't wait for the mini version!!
My 2 favorite things! Woodworking and knives! Can't wait to get mine
I would love to see more videos on the design process and why you made the decisions you made. Beautiful knife and hopefully fills a void I’m sure many shop workers/trades men have in their edc. Would love to know more about the steel you chose. I’ve always thought a 3v chisel knife would be amazing in the shop. But I typically value edge retention and toughness over corrosion resistance. Maybe a premium version with MagnaCut? Anyway, all that to say this knife is beautiful and a very exciting product to see. Can’t wait to get my hands on one and throw it through the test!
I do about 6 minutes on steel choice and why this is such a perfect t choice for this. Edge retention equals brittle and chipping under high stress and toughness means slightly software.
I think it’s a great steel choice. I was just saying I think it would be interesting content to see some videos going more in depth into the r&d behind the decisions made. As you say it’s the first EDC pocket chisel and I’d be curious to see the curtain pulled back a bit on that process. I don’t disagree with any of the decisions, I bought one as soon as I finished the video. It’s an awesome knife, love seeing the creators I follow coming out with products of their own
@@katzmosestools "Edge retention equals brittle and chipping under high stress and toughness means slightly software."
This is not necessarily true. Toughness and edge retention are not mutually exclusive. High edge retention does not inherently mean low toughness. The entire reason everybody is so hyped about magnacut is that they took s30v and made it way tougher without reducing edge retention at all.
I've watched both videos and would like to know how much does it weigh? I have about 30 knives and tend to only carry the lighter ones. Nice though.
I’m sure glad I ordered the right one hahah didn’t realize there was left hand and right hand 🤦🏻 can’t wait to try this out looks fricken aweosme !
sooo... mora makes this and has for years but it's a fixed blade. definitely a crazy cool knife
As a knife maker, I assure you that quality heat treatment is a major factor. Properly heat trated VG-10 will out perform a poorly heated Magnacut.
Would have been nice to have a real close-up of the crossbar lock. I couldn't follow exactly everything you showed.
Great work!
Wow....was just researching this a couple days ago an came up empty....boom you guys delivered.. Looks awesome, just placed my order.Thank you
Thank you my friend
Left Handed knife AMAZING!! Purple handle 💜💜💜💜💜 would be the icing on the cake!!
RIT dye it.
It looks fantastic received mine a couple of days ago feels great in your hand weighted just right. Just wanted 5o thank you and Jason and the Dutch guy it’s a fantastic product it’s a must buy if you do woodworking. I haven’t taken mine out of the box as I don’t want to get it dirty.
Many thanks wheelie steve 👨🏼🦽
Why does the blade seem to not be aligned with the spine, but slightly tilted??
Love it anyhow!
That’s an ergonomics design choice
@@katzmosestools Fair enough, almost went crazy watching both videos and none of you talked about it in either 😐😂
For hammer strike, it should be aligned.
Bit of a knife steel and collector nerd myself. Great job, especially for a first knife design!
Mora has made a great carbon steel chisel knife for as long as I've known, and I would consider that EDC, especially for a tradesman. Smith & Wesson makes a folding chisel knife, but they use terrible steel. That said, it's great to see an actual user-designed folding chisel knife design that takes it seriously! You guys should definitely try to get this into retail stores, too, maybe under Mikkel Willumsen's brand name, so you can capture a bit of the knife nerd market.
What I'd like to see in a "version 2":
- Manual locking pin option. Although a crossbar _should_ be strong enough, for a folding design that is intended to be struck on the end, a static locking pin would be the only fail-safe approach I can think of.
- Brass washers instead of bearings. Bearings are great for smoothness and feel, but they are also less resilient to getting dirty. Since this is a tool for working wood, self-lubricating brass washers would be smooth enough for fidgeting, but stand up better to sawdust, grit, and pocket lint. Much easier to clean out, too, without disassembly.
- Other steel and scale choices. This one is just obvious for a second release. More personalization options, modern powder metallurgy steels that outperform the Sandvik traditional formula in certain metrics, maybe a salt water resistant version for using on a boat, etc. Definitely good for capturing more of the knife collector/user market. (Though I agree with your choices for first run to hit both your performance and price goals.)
Another knife collector nerd here, and i second most of you said. First thing that popped into my head was Graham Knives the designer of the CRK one. And they could something similar to Demko did with a pin in one of his cold steel knives that essentially locks the knife in place because that axis lock copy is strong but its going to fail on people that hammer on the end. And they would need to up the steel quality, because knife nerds are not going to be a fan of that sandvik steel and want something more premium or atleast stronger, I am surprised they just didn't go straight 3V over sandvik tbh.
Putting maxamet, a non-stainless steel up against the 14c28n was a bit misleading. A better comparison would've been the s30v you were contemplating using in the blade, but nonetheless 14c28n is definitely the right choice for this kind of knife
First off, I want to make sure and point out, I'm not bashing your product, I've already placed my pre-order. As a collector and bit of a knife nerd, I am curious why you went with ball bearings over phosphorous bronze washers in the pivot. The ball bearings do give knives a glassy smooth action, but they're prone to gumming up when used in dirty, dusty environments, like a workshop. The phosphorous bronze washers still give a buttery smooth action that not only continues to function well when dirty but are also easier to clean. Also, curious who the OEM manufacturer is, is Mikkel making them, or did you go with an OEM like Kizer or QSP for production?
I wonder if it's possible to have bushings made to fit the same space so the bearings can be replaced with bushings.
I also prefer bushings since my knives get USED and I really don't like having to frequently disassemble the knives to clean the bearings.
@vie_baobab you could try McMaster-Carr, I seen a guy on UA-cam replace his
I placed my order today and can't wait to get it.
Well you’re gonna wait a longggggggggg time for it
ordered two, one for me, one for son!
Great stuff!
Jonathan is such a knife nerd 😂. It was great to see your passion in knives.
You're a great salesman!
I appreciate the thought and care that went into this but I've never found myself to need a pocket knife at any time in my life.
And I find a need for one almost every single day. Therefore I carry one every single day
Thanks JKM and Bourbonmoth. Very, very interested. What I would want to see before buying one is a sharpening video.
Now I’m going to look at bush craft knives.🔪 Thanks ☺️
Looks great and I want one but ... what does it do (apart from folding) that a non-folding chisel does, too?
OTF chisel knife when? haha
This looks great! Was just wishing there was a safe way to have a chisel on me everywhere in the shop. Can't exactly keep them in your pocket
how much does it weigh? dont see it on the website
What hrc are you targeting with the heat treatment?
I know these are protypes, so a question I have is about the final version and the blade angle to the handle, and also to the butt end of the strike plate. Is the final version going to be parallel, or still retain the slight angle that is evident in these prototypes? I ask because I want to understand how much the front edge of the chisel is going to wander to the side if the blade has that angle included? It will be a learning process to adapt to the induced side to side wander compared to a traditional chisel. How have you and Jason seen this working when using your prototypes? Excellent concept, excellent research, and excellent product!! May just have to order a Left and a Right for my shop use 😊
This is my concern too. I wish the blade was in line with the handle instead of angled.
Really awesome you’re able to get your employees health insurance! People don’t realize how much of a financial burden that is on a business. Phenomenal job
Ya never know much you'd use one til you carry it everyday! Same with my pen light by streamlight! It's the only "pen" light that's the size of an actual pen!!!
Please demo the beer opening functionality again, that was too quick 😂
That looks amazing
I absolutely love buying tools from KM Tools! Knowing what you do for your employees and customers make it a no Brainerd! Speaking of no brains, if you hadn't had Jason's help I'd probably buy one!😂 Actually I am definitely getting at least one of them!
Just got mine. immediately cut myself on first open on the point. 12/10. Best thing ever. No notes. Ok maybe one. Lock could use a hint of oil to make it a bit easier to use. As it stands it not only takes your thumb and index finger to close but you'll need your opposite hand to close the blade. Nothing a little wd40 can't fix. Can confirm it works great on reflective tape for HVAC. Your wife may be like "WTF is that?", but just remember she doesn't know your quests. You've worked too hard to not have this badass belated fathers day gift you gave to yourself.
Wd40 is not a lubricant. It will be stiff just have to break it in.
What are these knives hardened to? It's not listed on either of your websites. I had this idea a long time ago, but not the means to make it reality. I too would have preferred to see this in S30V or even better S35VN, but I wouldn't beat on this tool to the extent you're describing. That said Rockwell hardness is nearly as important as steel, and if you could share this information here and or on your site I think it would go a long way to inform not just my purchasing decision, but also that of other potential customers.
You’re right. I’ll add it. I have and HRC tester and will run a few to make sure we have a good average
@@katzmosestools Awesome, thank you!
@@katzmosestools The first batch finished shipping roughly a month ago and from what I can tell this information still hasn't been provided. I'm sure you're busy, and I hope you're doing well. Just thought I'd post a reminder. Hopefully it's something you can get to at some point.
Thanks for sharing.
JKM BMWW
Whew lots o letters! Nice design gents
I recently bought a dewalt table saw 10 inch DWE7491RS and would like to buy a multipurpose saw blade. Just in case I accidentally cut metal nails or screws. Which one should I purchase? I'm new to woodworking. Sooner or later, I need to build a sled also
A question about the bevel (or bevels, which is actually the question). Is there a reason for the secondary bevel? Is there a reason not to regrind the blade to create a single bevel, other than the time required? Thanks!
That sounds like a lot of work to regrind the bevel to a non ideal angle
@@katzmosestools I sharpen all my chisels with a single bevel, even though I completely understand the reasons for a secondary micro-bevel. Leaving that totally to one side (which is where it belongs), this is a truly outstanding tool. I just left a fairly long and very positive review on your website. Too many good things to say about this to even try to summarize here. Excellent work!
Got me again KM
you're a gem
That's super cool, and as a knife obsessed woodworked I love the idea, but I can't help but wonder what the longevity of it will be. You can't really sharpen more than a 1/4 inch off the tip without it becoming a little dangerous when folded because of the exposed tip along the spine. If you are regularly using it to chisel stuff and want to keep that portion sharp then in a few years the knife becomes a little uncarryable.
Hi Jason. I would like to purchase a bourbon knife. How do i go about doing it? Patrick from South Africa.
When are you guys going to make a version with a tanto blade? Its kinda like a skew tip chisel but also serves as a regular knife like non-woodworkers might want. I'd get both.
Fair. We have a whole line of blades coming
@@katzmosestools can't wait
I'm right-handed, but I use my left hand to chisel. Is this a unilateral knife chisel?
Could you make a UK legal one?
In the works
Dang it... Why is it so difficult not to buy all these new tools coming out of your shop...?
Supert smart, looks like fantastic product
When will the first batch ship? Is this a limited drop or full production run? Is the price on the website for pre-order only or is that the long-term price?
The first batch ships in 3-5 weeks. I’d get in as soon as possible.
The ceramic mug method words but only by pushing the blade forwards, not sliding down the edge like this. It’s not an ideal way to sharpen but can get you out of trouble if you need an edge and have no other tools.
Just read through that bladehq article and im surprised they rated 14c28n so high on the toughness, even over 3v. But they also rated H1 as number one even over 420HC which doesn't make sense. IF H1 was so tough, all the ball bearings in the world would be made out of H1. And they put LC200n tougher than 52100. BTW cool knife, glad your entering the knife market!
For bearing applications you don’t ever need to sharpen them. Toughness and ease of sharpening is the opposite of hard so bearings are going to be built out of something more towards the middle of the spectrum to avoid unnecessary wear from being spun millions of times. You should read the whole article if you haven’t. It’s really fascinating.
The above is a great answer, but I'll just add this.... I think you have a misunderstanding of what toughness actually means in this context. A material that is tough is less likely to break or fracture. This typically means that it deforms first. Gold is malleable, deforms easily, and is much tougher than any knife steel but it doesn't perform particularly well as a knife or a bearing for that matter. An incredibly hard knife will chip at the edge or break when dropped. An incredibly tough knife is prone to rolling its edge. Knife steels occupy the usable space on the spectrum between these extremes and where an individual alloy falls on this scale impacts edge retention and ease of sharpening/abrasion.
Great concept, collaboration and end result from two of my favorite makers. JKM, are you going to be bringing some to the Texas Woodworking Festival? You can go ahead and bring Jason too if you want. Ordering one and I'll see you there. - Chris
Yes and yes my friend. Jason to will be there. So pumped.
Any chance yall will make a Swiss army style chisel pocket knife with different sized chisels 😅
I already asked my wife to order one for me lol
thank you
I'd love to have an update on when the dang thing is gonna ship. I pre ordered it but y'all been a ghost ever since.
What's that screwdriver you were using?
Found it by taking a screenshot of it in the video and running it through a reverse image search.
It's called the Kinetic Driver by Giaco. It basically has a flywheel that will spin the driver smoothly.
@@randomutubr222 awesome thanks!
Great vid, interesting project. Who's getting their chisels wet though?
Moisture from sweat in your pocket, water based finishes, sharpening, wet sanding, humidity and so many other potential uses where it would come in contact with water.
I can't seem to find it written down, is the blade opening mechanism spring activated? It looked like it was on the video. If so it's unfortunately illegal in Canada.
It is manual. No spring assist for that reason. I’m not trying to navigate all those switch blade laws hahaha
@@katzmosestools thanks for the confirmation! I really get the concern with those laws. Now that I know it's legal I'll need to get myself one :D
Dudes when you designing the Skinny version??😊
It would be awesome if eventually they came in different blade sizes, like a 3/4" or 1/2" blade
In the works
Question. I'm right handed but i tend to hold the chisel with my left hand and bang with hammer by my right. Which one should I get?
The Burbon Blade Shirt would be cool also. Just sayin'.
Already for sale my friend. Head over kmtools.com
@@katzmosestools Thanks! I updated my comment with a question.
I watched the video a couple more times. I went with the right handed chisel and thanks for the shirt also!
What’s the warranty on these ?
Why is the back of the handle and back of the knife not in a straight line? It would look better and the force would be going straighter when chiseling with a hammer.
The hammer strike is in the upper back of the knife which ensures it is inline with the blade. This was on purpose.
Is there a reason you didn't hollow grind the back side of the chisel? Cost?
Not necessary
Preordered. This "knife?" has been on my YT startup page for a couple days and I was so confused by it I never clicked through to see what it was me not being a knife collector and all. Now it's 1am on a Tuesday. I'm drunk and autisticly trying to figure out who's shop I have a better chance of getting a first run from. "If train A has 550k cars and train B has 1.11m cars how is the first run of knives split between the two trains and will which one has a better chance of stopping by my place?"
Hahaha you made first batch if you order today. Cheers
How much is a thing?
Now give me a a set of chisels with that steel!
They're coming
Hey i just ordered one and picked the wrong blade. I need a left side i sent a email to you guys this morning.
Unfortunately there is a 3” blade length restriction for general carry in Britain. You have to have a valid reason for longer blades
Tell them you have to have a super deep mortise 🤷♂️
Y'all ought to vote for some knife law reform, that's just crazy. I thought blade locks weren't allowed either.
Yep no blade locks either. That really is a crazy rule.
Would a valid reason be that I am a Texan visiting?
@@monty1254 sorry no, it's more about a need for a job vs casual carry, eg a roll of chef's knives is fine, a hunting knife when going shooting. A 8" diver's knife with wet-suit & goggles…
Are you worried about edge retention with a softer steel like that? I feel like I'd have expected D2 or another harder steel. Most bench chisels I see tend to lean towards using an extremely hard steel. Love the design though!
We wanted toughness which is the opposite of edge retention. I go into deep detail in the second half.m as to why we chose it.
@@katzmosestools Got it, make sense. I guess it's meant to be more of a beater.
Why do I need this?
Why is the blade logo a hand with an amputated finger?
Because that's the secret sign of rogue woodworkers. Just kidding ☺️
Agreed, this is a big negative for me. Really off putting. Disgusting.
@@evrac1 I like it. It's a very common injury amongst wood workers, often resulting from careless handling of machines and therefore a good reminder; in my opinion.
I totally understand why someone wouldn't like it or be offended by it, though. Especially if they or anyone they know have had this experience (Or for reasons of vulgarity for that matter...)
Ordered mine this morning. Great price, I expected it to be over $300, but $159 is affordable for just about everyone.
Thank you my friend
How much is the new knife? Ridiculous website asking for my DOB before I can even check the cost.
It's in the link in the description
I think you are on to something. Just add a caliper, extendable tape measure and foldable square and you’ll have the Woodworker’s Swiss Pocket Tool.
foldable square, now that would be a precision manufacturing achievement
Hey buddy!
Looks good. Why is the blade and handle not in a straight line?
It’s for ergonomics
Looks weird to me and subject to fold. If you develop an inline version I’m a buyer. I already have your dovetail jig and crosscut sled stop. Love both your channels. 🎉
Thanks for your support my friend. Obviously we disagree with your assessment or we wouldn’t have released it. Mikkel has 28 years of knife design experience and has designed for some of the biggest names in the game. Jason has many years of destroying things experience and I have to accept the liability.
@@katzmosestools I wish you all the best. Keep up all the good work 🗜
@@BobAmarant Bob: I've only had mine for a few days, but my assessment so far is that you'd have to do ridiculously-abusive things to this tool to cause it to fold unintentionally. You'd have to try, and it wouldn't be easy.
How would the rest of the knife hold up to the salt solution?
G10 is basically just stronger micarta so no metal to rust. Not sure about the rest but it’s very oiled before shipment
Might have to add dive knife title to it for you when released. Obviously rinse with fresh water after
I had no idea you were such a knife snob. lol. I also suffer from your knife fetish. I have a similar affliction. My new everyday carry is an Ace Biblio with brass scales and M390. I do have many of the blades you talked about. I can certainly get on board with this knife but I would like to see a tougher steel. I will be on board as soon as you make one with something like M4 or even the new Magna Steel. Magna may actually excel with this type of design. Looking forward to seeing where this will all go.
The Sandvik is as tough if not tougher than both of those. Check out the link I posted in the pinned comment. It’s tough AF.
@@katzmosestools I've had a knife or two with sandvik, and I was unhappy mostly due to the edge retention. I suppose I need to remember this is not a knife, so edge retention is not the most important factor. I may be coming around to it. lol
Any updates when will they ship. No one is answer my questions or emails.
“The crossbar lock is the strongest lock.”
*Demko Triad lock has entered the chat*
Haha yeah I love those. Patented tech and some people complain they accidentally unlock them when squeezing a onife
@@katzmosestools Weird, I never had a triad lock come unlocked when I was gripping the knife. But yeah, since the patent has run out on the crossbar lock, it’s probably the best option for a tool like this. I sure wouldn’t trust any liner lock or frame lock to hold up for any length of time. Out of all the lock designs out there to choose from, I think y’all went with the top option.
@@FriedPi-mc5yt yeah he should of just said its patented.. dude found the .0001% of the population that had a triad lock come unlocked on them. #1 gripe i heard about the triad locks were they were hard to open one handed, but that's about it.
@@rpnp2 They might be a little hard to open when new. But once they are broken in, they are really smooth for a mid lock. I mean, they will never be as buttery smooth as a well made liner lock or a bunch of other lock types. But they can be pretty smooth. I usually take mine apart, clean all the oil off and buff all the engagement points to a mirror finish. Then re-oil them and put them back together with blue loctite on every screw. I’ve done enough of them to know what to look for and where on the parts to put effort. On some of them I’ve even reduced the spring pressure on the lock bar because they were hell to unlock with one hand. I’ve carried the XL Voyager knives for years on lots of construction jobs and never had one close on me by accident. I had several from other knife companies that did. One Benchmade in particular. It was a liner lock. I was making a twisting cut and the meat of my index finger got onto the liner lock just enough to disengage it. Fortunately it didn’t cut me bad, but it got my attention as to how a badly designed liner lock could ruin your day. I also had a liner lock fail on me and it bent more easily than I thought was possible. I don’t buy liner locks anymore for the most part. The ones I still have are strictly for opening boxes and envelopes.
Edit: I almost forgot. The Cold Steel AD 10 really surprised me. The one I got was the most butter smooth triad lock I ever pulled out of a box. Lots of other people have made the same comment. I’m not sure what voodoo was worked at the factory for that one. But it was really amazing right out of the box. If you get the urge for a new knife, that’s definitely one you should have in your collection. It’s a 3.5” blade of S35VN with G10 handles and I believe it has aluminum liners. It’s a chunk too. If would make a nice fist load for a bar fight. 😂
Very cool. Sadly illegal to carry in germany, as any one handed knive is.
like it though!
Wait... so you guys can carry 2 handed knives? I didn't realize you guys were still toting around Kriegsmessers xD
I'm interested in what locking mechanisms you're restricted to. Do you only have slip joints and frame locks, or does the restriction have to do with the inclusion of a flipper tab?
@@greenie277 2 handed in that context means you need to open it with 2 hands. so anything you can open with just one is immediatly illegal to carry. so, thumb knob, flip tab, otf, butterfly all of it is out. Leatherman actually makes a Wave version that doesnt have the hole cutout in the main blade, just so you can carry it here.
other than that, you have a length restriction that i dont remember from the top of my head. think its somewhere around 9-12 cm, so ruffly 4-5 inches for folding knives. bit longer for fixed ones.
@@halsti99 Wow, maybe there are a lot of options made specifically for your market, but that seems pretty restrictive. I think the only knife I have that meets those requirements that isn't some cheap multi-tool is a case knives slip joint folder. Thanks for the reply, and for entertaining my curiosity.