THE BEST FIGHTER IS ...?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Determining the top boxer of history and today is a chore. Some are great for only a short time. Some dominate a weight class for a long time, but fail at a different weights. The list goes on.
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Lebron playing into his 40 is an example of sports being tainted.
Just throwing some names out.
Gene Tunney,Jim Jeffries, Willie Pep, Bob Fitzsimmons, Ricardo Lopez, Sam Langford, Ol John L Sullivan. I feel like I should be sitting at a bar somewhere talking about this.👍
Few will disagree with your ratings, though some might rearrange the list.
@@ET-RAMBLINGS that is the fun part! Good video. Good Journey.
Duran with today’s full cocktails could’ve won 10 divisions started at 118 and took hagler to 15 and defeated perhaps the greatest welterweight ever.
,Joe Louis paved the way for Jackie Robinson, and had the biggest fight perhaps ever.
Pacman 8 division will never happen again.
Salvador Sanchez (best but not enough of years)
I'm glad that you suggested that Roy Jones Jr., at his best, may have been THE best. I totally agree.
Roy was great but HE WAS A JUICER. Just sayin.
My top 3 heavyweights Jack Johnson, Dempsey then Langford Greatest P4P is like Genr Tunney said, Jimmy Wilde(, with Greb close behind, I’m a Welsh valley born so could be slightly biased .) Chris from Wales, UK love this channel
We're all biased in varying degrees. Wilde is underrated today.
@@ET-RAMBLINGS Driscoll,Welsh Owen Moran all forgotten too and the Battling Nelson gang are forgotten for their great technique. Lucky we have channels like yours to keep the youthful fans informed on the old timers.
Jones was amazing but he never went all out except for maybe once against Montell Griffin. He also failed to fight several top guys from his era. He squandered his career to be honest. I also think he was enhanced but special vitamins.
Those "enhancements" were wildly available after 1960, and were for a while legal. Use of them persists today.
I'm an historian. My Top 10 P4P based on a TON OF VARIABLES. The 1st 7 could ALL BE CONSIDERED GREATEST IN ANY ERA! Rocky Marciano, SRR, Carlos Monzon...greatest on any given day. Greb, Langford, Jimmy Wilde, Salvador Sanchez! Duran, Sadler, Armstrong. Most honest historians can interchange a few but not the TOP 3. That is sacrilidge IMO.
Good list!! A great hypothetical match would be Greb vs. Monzon.
Where's pep? Or Charles?
Keep studying
@@drummersagainstitk I guess you never heard of Joe Louis
@@Bruins-vq5ey He is 12th in my top 25. I LOVED him! The others had too many factors/ You know what I mean.
It depends on what the powers behind the scenes wanted.
True!!!!
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Vid on my page and exsposes not sane people like you who said rock would beat deontay.
It’s at the 6 minute, 23 second mark. Deontay is facing another brawler who, for a fact, in that video is way more advanced than Rock.
It was another short guy 2 right after that who isn’t just coming in nonstop either and who also was way more advanced than Rock. You guys said Rock would come in nonstop. You said rock was harder to hit. Why does he look very easy to hit and counter compared to both those no names that Deontay beat?
Oh, and I have no names for Foreman fought/bowe/mercer. Every no name they fought on video comparing to rock and people he fought, and they all look like novices. I’ll put those videos up to never call me a liar again.
Prince hamed?
Hahahahaha cmon..
Liar video on my page shows wlad was way more advanced than primo,and the guy he fought was a way more advanced Louis,you cant change video with words you’re exposed lunatic
There are also some fighters who mysteriously seem to have the referee and judges on their side in close fights. I like Pacman who has been a force for 3 decades and at multiple weight classes.
Absolutely right, ET. We always debate on mixed history in all fun. Personally, though, I have a very particular admiration for Joe Louis Barrow. Champion for almost 12 years, 25 successful title defences, countless exhibitions with 6 ounces gloves with no helmet against often, the highest ranked contenders of his time without ever being seen as looking bad, and on the contrary, knocking out many of them, a case for being the first two time titlist (against Lee Savold in 51), expediting winner, in the most unbelievable manner, of arguably the most important fight ever (Schmeling fight of 38), thus inspiring the hundreds of thousands of young men who would have to go to war soon after, and I could go on and on and on. Moreover, younger generations have Ali as such a great figure, whose influence went beyond the sport, as you pointed out. Well, I'd argue strongly that it's still far from comparing to Louis' influence, who undoubtedly broke the infamous and disgusting "colour barrier" in sports, and had a deep effect on the society of the time.
I realize I contribute nothing to the issue, here. lol I won't resolve it! But this would be my leaning if I had any voice in the matter.
Have you ever noticed how many of the heavyweight champions seem to be "culturally" linked to their eras? Jack Johnson seems to represent the new century with all its upcoming challenges; Dempsey, with his furious style, the fabulous industrial power of the US from WWI and later; Joe Louis, the American might of WWII; Marciano and Patterson, the peaceful, conventional stability of the After-war; Ali (and in another way, Frazier), the troublesome 60s and early 70s. Myself, I can't help thinking how rich boxing history is, and how much of a hold it used to have on history. But of course, this time is over.
Thank you!
The best boxer category, has to have a heart & chin.
Without those two attributes , A boxer cannot be the best of the best.
There's some greats like Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson, that probably be eliminated , regardless of thier great physical ability.
Let's take all these boxers & put them in the 1920's.
Can these boxers overcome 6 oz gloves , no mouth piece, & fight in temperatures of 100 degrees?
How well will Frazier & Foreman do, without PED & weights during that era.
Can Foreman be the best in 100 degree heat, or be a dope like he was against Ali , in Zaire Africa in 90 temp.
These boxing greats don't even know how to clinch fight amymore.
Boxing intelligence , is underatted skill, that can surpass physical ability.
Gene Tunney is a perfect example, Tunney was more modern then any boxer after him.
Jack Johnson also incredibly intelligent.
Is race a factor as well?
Sports basically is politics controlled by the government to control social morality. Most will never understand how this works. Most will never know if one race is more dominant than the other, or equal.
Money in sports does not mingle well with best of the best category.
When it comes to money , the sport can drastically favor another boxer over the other.
I think the best of the best is a hybrid style of both middleweight & heavyweight.
Gene Tunney, Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey, maybe a Harry Greb & Sugar Ray robinson.
There are exceptions like Joe Loius, Jack Johnson & maybe Jim Jefferies.
Boxing is dead, because the heavyweight division minimum weight is 200 lbs .
Heavyweights for the last 30 years are overweight blimps , with no chin , no endurance & no movement speed , all straight forward stationary punching bag targets.
You summed up the problems very well.
I always believed that it is somewhat close to impossible to determine the true best fighter as each fighter has his own strengths and weaknesses both stylistic and physical, A out-boxer would lose against an infighter. There are many examples of this stylistic diffrence. Judging by sheer skill is also hard as its questionable which fighter is better for example Is James Toney better than Salvador Sanchez? This question cannot really be accurately answered. In my belief the best fighter should be rated depending on the era they dominated. This is the best way to categorise a fighter.
You make a great argument here!!
@@ET-RAMBLINGS thank you
Sam Langford for me . He was the greatest weight climber that fought from featherweight to heavyweight . Also fought the most HOF boxers 66 , is ranked by Ring Magazine as the 2nd greatest puncher of all time . Said to have been in over 600 fights which should be a record . But only half of his fights have been found 315 because of poor record keeping back then . Was colored middleweight champ and colored heavyweight champ that defended the title 41 x . Also HW champ of England , France , Canada , Australia and Mexico .Was avoided by Jack Johnson while he held the world title as avoided by Jack Dempsey as well among many others .
Started out at 130..never a featherweight
@@Bruins-vq5ey Langford was the featherweight champ of Boston . His 1st fight against Jack McVicker who Langford knocked out was a featherweight , so was Sadler Jennings who Langford knocked out also ?
That was at lightweight..he was feather champ as an amateur@@pfitzger2e1
@@Bruins-vq5ey 135lb is lightweight ? Langford fought McVicker and Jennings as a pro who are featherweights ?
I've always thought SRR was the greatest fighter, but Eddie Futch says it was Charile Burley... Who SRR ducked. But then Burley lost two to Ezzard Charles, who was stopped by Rocky. It's tough.
Yes, rocky did stop him, though he was on the cusp of losing the fight because of Rocky's split nose. the first fight Rocky won by unaniomous decsion, only time Rockky was taken the 15 round distance, and he had to rally to win that fight. Charles also may have been past his prime.
But one of the reasons also to suggest that Charles was the best boxer pound for pound of all time, is that he was possibly the greatest light heavy weight of all time. Beat Archie Moore all three time when they fought, once by KO. Now you can't find it, but I do believe that when he fought Moore, the Stae of Ohio recognized it as a world title fight. So there has recently been an arugjument made, that Charles was the greastest pound for pound. Over two decased ago, Rng Magazine did list Charles as teh geratest light heavyweight of all time. It can also be aruged, that during the decade of teh 1940's the light heavyweight diviosn was the geratest, the problem was that many of these guys were black boxers, who did not at the time get the title shot becuase of their color, same for the middlewieght diviosn, though other divisons were making better strides in allowing black boxers to win those titles.
I'll have video exposing multiple way more advanced People beter beat,since you said Rock would beat him, not sane person,lets see if anybody rock fought was as advanced,You will regret saying lies in public,just like every other not sane person i exposed and continue to do
How is he the greatest facing obsolete fighters nobody made amateur-Mid fighting as in 70s-90s that makes no sense at all,try watching matches