Hi-End Bass Amp Shootout ! aguilar/Markbass/Orange/Proamp/EDEN/Hartke/Phil Jones Bass
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2022
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1、Hartke LH1000/HL410；2、Orange Terror Bass/OBC410；3、Proamp D550/N410；4、Markbass Littlemark iii / 104HF；5、Markbass CASA/108 CASA；6、aguilar DB751 / DB410 ； 7、EDEN WT800/D410 XST；8、PJB D1000/C4+C8；9、PJB M500/8T+16B
Dude puts out an amazing quality video and half the comments are complaining about brands not included. That's bass players for ya...
When it’s the two best selling brands…..
Merci pour l’essai sobre et efficace, très bien réalisé
What's also funny is the Ashdown is just sitting there in the background but wasn't used
That's **people**.
True, EXCELLENT VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY!!!!
Can anyone actually beat the quality and versatility of this demo? Insane. Well done!
I could... turn down the snare drum... lol
@@rrmin36 Have you done your demo yet?
One thing this shootout reveals...Every player has their own taste and a vibe as to what sounds best to them..Great to hear all of these !!
My friend you just stated what I've been saying for some time now. It's the same with bass guitars. Isn't it great that we can pick and choose what we like. Life is good.
@@danielgore861 it is until you check the price on some of those heads and cabs. I'm playing bass for 30 years, I was with a band for 15 years and few studio albums, went through numerous amps in my life, either owning one or borrowing, and though anecdotal as it is, you can get literally everything to the point you like the sound of it, but you can't get back the money you overpaid on something. Eden sounds the best to me in this comparison, but I can easily get the same sound out of most of those heads, and the Hartke LX1000 is 60-70% cheaper than the EDEN WT-800, is it worth 60-70% more, and the answer is simple; No, and it is not even the most expensive head in this shootout.
From the round up here, I would pick the Hartke in a heartbeat, and that head would serve me from home practice to playing stadiums and would cost me around 600 USD.
Forgot to mention, my head for multiple years now is the Ampeg SVT-7PRO.
@@kurosumomo i understand what you are saying. I'm a long time player also. I've never looked at the amps and cabinets as I've lost money. I figured the money would be spent in something else anyway. 😆 🤣 I own 3 Roscoe LG5's and will pick up a custom made Roscoe next month. Shoot you live then you die. I think getting what I like is part of living. Anyway you be blessed my friend. Thanks for the reply 👍
Wow! The Hartke really stood out. Those sealed cabinets stop those overtones and produce absolute clarity. Absolutely the best!
Yeah clarity and completely lack of lows. Also now I can say that Markbass is definitelly no high-end cab. I is muddy and also lack of low end (I played on it even yesterday) :( I'm very interested in the Proamp it is some magical not known thing but sounds the most universal.
@@Marcink126 ever think its really convenient that the, probably, hardest to find bit of gear sounds the best
@@TacticalHyena I'm completely aware that there is no the best product. Most is the matter of taste. For some songs Hartke would simply fit the best. In my music journey I'm still looking for the most universal gear. Perfect situation would be to use giant studio monitors or simly front speakers on the stage and in ear monitors and just dial IR in some good effect :)
Team Hartke for me I have the 410 and 115 with the 1000 watt head and it sounds amazing 😎👈🏽
@@coolwhittedsbassguitarnation yes bu with 115 it has complete sound. But i dont pllan to carry two giant cabs :)
That Orange 🍊 with the DarkRay was unbeatable.
Super comparison. Eden, Probass, Aguilar would be my top three in that order. The Eden sound is just exceptional.
Agreed 100%
I agree totally; just a little concerned about the quality since Edens are now manufactured in China. But as far as tone, the Eden was pure butter!
This video is incredible and you're not getting enough respect for the production & sound. Bravo!
Hartke e Markbass simplesmente impecáveis!
verdade , Hartke surpreendeu . Aguilar tb .
Why no GK??
É incrível a qualidade da Hartke em todos os estilos e timbres, e Mark Bass não esperava menos, é top também. Agora o que me surpreendeu de verdade foi a Eden, de coração que timbre. Me arrisco a dizer que até colocou Aguilar no bolso rs, claro não estou mencionando qualidade de matérias primas.
The quality of this demo is INSANE. Some really great bass playing too. Really showed that the modern player is spoiled for choice. Confirms my love of Phil Jones, with the very focused low end, but I'd be happy with most of these amps.
This is really fantastic work! I’m unaware of anyone else with the knowledge & equipment willing to make such a high quality video/recording.. The time you invested is represented clearly through the audio & pro presentation!
There aren’t many who own the top flagship model of a premier brand like Aguilar.. Far fewer have essentially every high end modern design bass amp on the market! Huge thanks and appreciation for this!!!
Thanks, Eden takes it for me.
I lugged around a WT-800 for years. That amp was amazing. So heavy!
I know it's a matter of personal preference, but the Hartke seems to have the best of all the styles as they seemed to have clarity and significant bass at the same time. I play a 508 at small to medium venues and it seems to suck the air out of the rooms without missing the clarity.
Fairly recently I got a chance to use an Ampeg 810 cabinet with my SVT 4 Pro head, and believe it or not it running into my own 2 Hartke XL cabs ran circles around the 810, which I couldn't quite believe... Hartke cabs have a unique high end dynamic that other cabs cannot match. Matter of taste of course...
I haven't run a hartke rig at the level they're showing here, but even their combo amps are phenomenal, I'm currently running a little fender rumble 40w and while it's a great little practice amp I really miss my old hartke
Random Question, when these heads have DI’s can these DI’s be connected directly to a recording interface?
Is it a straight connection outside of of a DI , is there a need for a load box or no? I might get one of these heads but I don’t know if I’ll record with a cab, maybe just the head . Zero experience with DI
Any help? Thanks
@@cd0u50c9 I’ve only played through their cabs at shops but I’ve been continually impressed by my HD150, for a huge speaker it has really good high end. By far my favorite thing about it though is that it makes basses sound like themselves. I plug my stingray in it sounds like a stingray. I plug my Thumb in it sounds like a thumb, it just stays out of its own way really well. They don’t break the bank either.
@@cd0u50c9 That’s opposed to, say my rumble 40, which perpetually tries to make my Warwick sound like a jazz bass :|
What a fantastic comparison, thank you! I am shocked at how Hartke and Eden stand out in these comparisons - not what I would have expected!
Agreed. Those two, and the orange, surprised me as my favorites
I think the Hardke speakers have a bit to do with their sound.Willing to bet it'd sound different with another cab.
What a great video! Thanks a million for all the work... World class! Loving the Aguilar and Hartke setup. I know from experience that the C4 and C8 are able to sound less honky. I really like them with other amps than PJB.
I couldn't have asked for a better bass amp comparison. Thanks🔥
Hartke for me
I'm shopping right now
Wow that eden rig sounds like my swr 220 studio and Goliath cab, sweet.
I have Hartke LH500 and it did pretty good on this test, but Proamp and Markbass Classic series really resonated with me. Great review and video!
I had an LH500 paired with a Tech 21 VT pedal and it really shined through my Eden XLT 4x10 and Ampeg Classic 1x15. I got the LH500 uses for $200 and ran it for about a year before I decided to put a new 12ax7 tube and man it came to life. There was a clarity and warmth that wasn't there before.
That's exactly why I love my Eden stuff since abou 15 years now.
At the moment running a D410XST & D210XLT on an Eden E300T all tube head.
Goddamn killer!
I like my Markbass Traveler with a Markbass Nano. Played all kinds of gigs , inside and out. Easy load in , one trip in , one trip out. Can’t beat it.
+1 on the Traveller. I've gigged with a Little Mark 3 and a 4ohm Traveller 102p for about 7 years now. Nothing beats being able to carry everything in one trip!
for what it's worth, with the PJ cabinets I think part of the perceived thinness is due to the fact that the mics are so close to single speakers that you can't appreciate the fullness that the cabinets produce when so close to it. In an actual live room, the cabinet likely sounds much fuller. I have a small 2X7 PJ amp and if you're 5 feet away from it, it sounds surprisingly full.
Man im loving the way the world tour is sounding here. Definitely want to check out the Mesa subway series too
I stopped using bass amplifiers years ago i just found them to limiting, wattage was always to low for the kind of clarity i wanted. So i switched to using bass rack preamps and big stereo audio power amps, i would mono bridge the outputs to bump up the power. This would kick out around 2000 watts or 3000 watts depending on the speaker load i was driving, my rig never got above about 3 on the volume scale. I always let the drum volume be my guide and just matched how loud he was, i used 15" eminence drivers in Hartke cabs people seemed happy with my sound. I really enjoyed the video by the way.
Wattage has very little to do with clarity. What you need is less gain going into the preamp and a stronger power amp
just bought a DarkRay for my 2nd bass, thanks for having it in this comparison. Really shined on some of these amps.
Hartke is so versatile, im so proud to be an owner of HD210 and HD115 With LX8500 head !
I have the same cabs but with the LX1000 from the video, and I LOVE it! Super clear, but the only downside is it doesn't handle below a low B very well. Has issues with it sounding like it was gonna explode with my old metal band playing in A
what a production......perfect...epic...the sound...the demo....the concept....kudos....i love em all........all sound perfect
As lots of folks have pointed out there are so many other great makes not represented here, tbh that would be a hell of a task to organise. I think what it does show is how much excellent, well manufactured equipment there is out there for bass players now. It's all down to personal choice now, not limited selection, and that's a great thing.
Love all the comments of "hey why aren't all the bass manufacturer represented? " ha but this is one hell of a amazing comparison video! Thank you. The Hartke though 👌.
My back hurts just looking at some of these monsters.. Great comparo nonetheless 👍🏼😎
The MarkBass rigs are really light. I replaced my backbreaking Trace Elliot 4x10 with a MarkBass CMD 102 2x10 combo, plus a 2x10 extension cabinet.
And it's incredible how light and powerful they are. In fact I only really need the combo due to the power.
was gonna say the something
@@Slydeil
😉
Both Markbass sounded great to my ears!
My first choice is the Proamp rig with the Hartke as my 2nd choice!!! The Markbass 410 rig is my 3rd choice followed by the first Phil Jones rig.. Very nice playing, too!!! The best bass rig I've heard so far is made by Wayne Jones Audio! Both the powered 210 cabs and preamp and the passive 210 cabs and power amp sound unbelievable! Phenomenal bass, punch, and clarity!!! But, they are very expensive!!! Great playing and demo!!! The last track with the StingRay is awesome!!!
Amazing shootout!! My takeaway from this video is that it all boils down to what your wanting to do. Everyone has thier sound in thier head....pick whatever is a match or the closest thing. The Hartke definitely struck me as the best all-rounder of the bunch and for rock, definitely the Orange!!
Still playing through my Hartke 4x10" cabinet and Gallien Krueger head for nearly 3 decades. Love the punch delivered through the aluminum speakers.
Dude, that was my exact rig for Four decades, then I got an old beat-up Eden410XLT and I noticed my P-bass was now knocking the dust outa the rafters. Hartkes are great although you can burn the voice coils w an SVT head. And on GK, forget the backline series and Hartke transporter, all lightweight junk.
Yours have the full aluminum speakers in it? If so, how do they compare with the new style ones?
I have never heard of these lasting more than a year. Complete garbage if you ask me. I saw them spit sparks out before.😂🍻
@@trossk I'll put it this way - they don't make 'em like they used to.
@@niteshades_promise Spot on during the present cost-cutting, bean-counter engineering era.
That Aguilar was so deep and smooth, wow. I also feel it's the only amplifier that performes awesome in _every_ demo.
I´m happy with any Markbass or the Aguilar.
Great video, thanks! I've played many of these amps and it confirms my memory of them. When I plugged into a DB751 I knew I'd found my personal bass amp heaven. Too expensive and heavy for me to gig with though.
Wow! Great demo, executed really well, thanks!
I'm absolutely loving the tone of the Orange. It just has this warmth and this "beady" high end that's really imparts a great vibe on the tracks. I do love Phil Jones though, also yes we need a pt.2 wth Ampeg and gk and swr etc!
Wow! I was going to say the same. I'm surprised! I have a Crush 50 watt (not a high-end class of the brand, but the tone is quite good). Cheers!
I'm with you: The Orange Terror was my clear favorite of the bunch.
Woah. I thought it was weakest. Thin and lifeless. Mark bass here.
Yes the Orange led the pack IMO.I took the demo with eyes closed and would've sworn it was a tube head.
@@kevmac1230 it has a tube preamp
Phantastic demo. Thank you so much!
The settings on the Orange hurt my soul.
My recommendation on a p-bass: B4, M9, T4. Push gain past 5, even on clean, and compensate on master.
And MarkBass all the way for me.❤️
Awsome video, thanks! Didn't expect the Orange to sound the way it did, in a good way. Reproduction in this video is really good, I use Markbass 410 a lot and it matches. I still largely prefer EBS though but the Orange impressed me too.
This was fun - thank you! I was pleasantly surrprised by the Hartke rig. Likewise the MB Classic, but I just can't imagine lugging that rig around. It would really be great to hear a Bergantino rig, and I think loosening the truss rod 1/8-turn on the Pensa J would've helped with some of the "jank." (Technical term.) Thanks again!
Fab demo .
All offer great tones at different times .
Very nice playing ! & good to hear them all on same demo .
Quite happy with the tone options my Hartke LH 500 &
HA 5500 give me .
How are people not talking about the Proamp?! That thing sounds unreal!
Seems strange that the two arguably best bass manufacturers aren’t represented. G&K and Ampeg
In all fairness both GK and Ampeg have their own characteristic sound that they are very well known for. Both are almost on the other side of the spectrum with the GK amps having a pretty big midrange scoop with deep lows and somewhat of a sizzle on the highs that is great for slap, funk, metal and even jazz as it is very articulate with a little midrange bump in the EQ, and the Ampeg lives in the low mids and actually has a much more rounded tone and flat EQ curve and is very clean even at high volume. Unless we’re talking about the B-15 which is a 1x15” powered by a 30 watt tube amp and is primarily used in the studio where volume is not an issue, or if a highly overdriven tone is desired. In other words those two amp manufacturers are very well represented on stage and online and they both have a very distinct tone in just about everything that they make. However if you just can’t settle for anything other than an all tube bass amp, well then, I dare say there’s only one choice; Ampeg SVT Classic. 🤘
The bosses dont count duuude
Was wondering why the SVT wasn't on here as well. Is there a more recorded bass amp than the Ampeg SVT?
Let’s be real here, GK is garbage
@@acontko1764 possibly the Ampeg B-15n as it was and still is in almost every professional recording studio in the world and on nearly every song recorded at Stax and Motown no matter the bass player. The SVT is definitely on hundreds of thousands of recordings though and for good reason.
I like the ampeg. :)
I own an Eden D210XST (210 version of the 410) and a WT550B. Fantastic sounding rig to my ears. Not surprised the Eden is my favorite in this shootout. Fantastic playing.
The pro amp stood out for me this video is the first time seeing and hearing one
Proamp sounds so musical and beautiful. And looks great!
The Hartke was so punchy, but in smoothness I really liked the Proamp. I really don't like the Paul Jones stuff, and the Orange sucked.
@@funkingitup1805 yeah that Orange sucks. But the solidstate 4 stroke sounds great.
I expected to like the Eden and Markbass the most, but Hartke and Proamp stole the show! Also, Orange was sadly left in the dust. And I was a little underwhelmed by Aguilar. Not bad by any means, but I expected more.
Single 15" combo is the only way to go. Preferably 500 watts. Then again at real shows, i just plugged bass into the stages D.I. box. No rig, just my active dean.🤐🍻
Aguilar and Hartke for me in this context for overall balance, bottom and punch. I do play Aguilar, but I have to admit I'm always surprised by Hartke.
Those hydrive cabs lend themselves VERY well to overdriven tones imo.
Nice comparison! In terms of what I like to gig with most and what pragmatically works for the styles of music I play, it would likely be the Eden rig. But in terms of what sounds the coolest on its own, those Phil Jones rigs sound super cool because they have such a remarkably neutral coloration.
For me, Mark Bass, Aguilar and Hartke in that order
Amazing video! Thank you for all the work and effort, I know it took a lot. I heard two very distinct standouts in this production.
Hartke, what a pleasant surprise. The clarity produced in all samples, wow.
Markbass Classic Series, the Italian answer to the Ampeg Classic? That sounded amazing to me. It has a unique clarity in the mids. Not the same clarity as Hartke, again, Ampeg-ish to me.
Thank you again.
I have the Mark bass 151p 15 inch combo. Sounded amazing when I went to try it, no regrets. Some great amps here
I have the same Proamp 4x10 Cab and it sounds really cool with WP100 (navigator) + WT1000 PA. I tested also the other proamp's little head, and went into mixed Proamp410+Eden rig. Stunner cab, I can recognize how it sounds.
I am in love with the Proamp it sucks that they are impossible to find in the states. I think I would go with the Hartke or Markbass since those stood out to me the most
Many great sounding options here. I could easily live with any of these for daily use. I would have preferred to hear each head with one cabinet so we can get a better idea of the voicing of the head. And then at the end use one head to test each cab. When I was younger I didn't mind lugging the bigger gear since I wasn't as busy. Now I am older and busier and prefer something easier to load in and have settled on the Phil Jones BG400 combo. Great sound in a small foot print that can handle all my gigs so far. I add the c4 extension cab for louder gigs and my back couldn't be happier.
Just wow, they all sounded great but the standouts for me were the Hartke, Eden, Proamp, and that Markbass Casa. Great production and great variations of playing styles. I was not expecting that last demo with the Stingray, dark, prog rock, almost metal. I love this comparison so much...I'm going to echoe similar sentiments here.....Please make another one but include Ampeg, GK, and Trace Elliott. especially now that Trace just brought out some beautiful looking rigs.
I’ve never seen a 8x10 let alone a 8x16 before in my life so that was a pleasant surprise
Wow the playing from 15 mins needs to be commended awesome stuff
I will be honest I have slept on hartke I played them way back when they were just aluminium but haven’t played the hybrid yet they sound great !
I saw victor wonton a couple of months back and his amp was massive.
I have always been a GK guy but may have a look around
You are doing God's work, sir. Thank you for such a wonderful comparison video.
Thank you very very much! I can’t thank you enough!
I love my Aguilar AG 700 and DB cabs but all of these amps are great in their own ways.
Markbass's 810's are so awesome. I've used an original CL108 for years and it crushes. Classic brute force sound but responds like a much smaller speaker.
Excellent comparison. Thank you.
That PJ thing with the 24 little speakers was like some kind of failed science experiment that died trying to argue that a million little speakers can sound as good as a few big ones.
Thank you for this vid, amazing content !
The Hartke sounded darn good and a minimalistic preamp section which is let's face it, nice...less is more. Bright LED's on stage suck and are blinding when you want to EQ so I would not even consider the way too bright leds and certainly not the blue ones or flashing disco leds on the Pro Amp . The Eden set is killer.
Some pretty dope grooves. Gave me some ideas!
Thanks for the video!!! It's a lot of work to get all those amps and cabinets together to demonstrate the sound of the bass in different genres. I greatly appreciate it no matter what amp/cabs combination I personally prefer. Thanks again for your work!
Standouts for me are the Hartke, Orange, ProAmp and Eden with the Eden taking the cake. I’m also a studio engineer who’s not a bassist but I am obsessed with all things Tone and guitar/bass amps are SO high on that list, so if anyone cares I’m not sorry. Now I know what else I need to GAS over…
I agree , The Eden just sounds more rich overall. Very good range with dynamic ability and no break ups at all.
i play in a band w/ a bunch of tonechasers and a studio engineer, i can tell you as a tone ho i heard a local bassist playing an orange terror amp like this on a gig and was floored at how good it sounded.
I own this exact Orange half stack, love it. Casually watching the Hartke, Eden, and Orange sound best.
Hated the Orange. To me it was tied for worst with the Paul Jones stuff. I liked the Hartke and Eden best. Proamp was interesting for soft fingerstyle. Markbass was very good, but had very tough competition.
@@funkingitup1805 The orange isnt made to be glassy modern clean, it has a muted sound because its trying to give a 70s vibe, not ultra modern glassy-clean sound.
Great video! Thanks 🎸
It's the Eden, Proamp, and the Hartke in that order for me.
I agree
Really good soundcheck. Now combine each head with each cabinet to see which combo sounds best 😀
Thank you so much for this great comparison video! Simply superb! Listening with my Sennheiser headphones, I get a very good impression of the rigs, some which I have played. A few years ago I was asked to recommend a bass guitar and amp for a brand new recording studio. I recommended a P-Bass and the exact Aguilar DB751/DB410 combo and the studio bought it and loved it. It amplifies exactly what you put in. However, for my own personal taste it is a bit too clean and lacks a bit of authority for my own taste. I am really liking Hartke and Mark Bass at the moment for their ability to sound great accross multiple genres and if I were in a pure rock band, it would be the Eden setup for me.
Let's all be honest here and say that Hartke just killed them all. I had this exact setup 7 years ago and traded for a lot more expensive gear and this video just made me want to sell them all and get this setup again. We all get trapped in the "tone hype" and end up spending thousands of dollars on it when the cheaper gear sounds just as good.
Of course, just playing the bass with no commentary or other input provided means that the only info those watching the video have is based entirely on the audio that is shaped by speakers they are using to listen to the video and compression performed by both the camera used to film the video and by UA-cam....so the amps may sound quite a bit different in person.
I actually preferred the Mark Bass CASA over the Aguilar. Maybe that's just because of the Aguilar cabinets. I've always found them too muffled. Would be fun to hear both the CASA and DB751 heads through the same cabinet!
I listened to 1st through 10th All sound pretty good. I was most impressed with the "Hartke HL 410.Just had a powerful full and a smoothness to it.
Very good comparison video! Congrats.
But sorry, that's a 'Hi-End Shootout' without real high end amps and cabs like Glockenklang, Vanderkley, Walter Woods etc. , except maybe the Phil Jones's,
Maybe they're the top amps of their respective companies. Don't get me wrong: they're all good / very good amps, totally useable, but not 'Hi-end'.
I had an eye opening experience with a fellow bassplayer, who played Hartke amp & HL410 cab as in the video and had difficulties to cut through the mix on stage.
He tried my Glock on a common gig and was baffled. We tried his Amp with one of my Glock cabinets and it sounded so much better than before.
He now has a Glock cab and if he has the money he'll switch to the Glock amp too.
Great shoot out!! Love the last riff. I wouldn't cry if i got any of these rigs for free, but if i had to choose - Db751
Fantastic! Wish you had included Ampeg and SWR.
They are all so good.
I have one of those setups and never thought of it as high end.
I love Eden Flat Eq "that is Bass"
They were all so alike subtle eq could make them all sound identical.
The Aguilar was amazing in fingerstyle, and the LittleMark in slap!
I would have really loved to see EBS, Glockenklang and GRBass in the mix, tho'!
and Gallien Kruger! I've had a 400 watt head since the nineties ..still brilliiant the Eden is fabulous too..Markbass is awful sounding I think too much of the wrong middle
Glockenklang, definitely 👍.... and Bergantino
@@seppoinnanen5577 How was I forgetting Bergantino! They're great too! If we go a bit weird and tube, Hiwatt and ChillAmp too!
Big +1 for GR Bass. Their latest AT (AeroTech (carbon fiber) cabs and combos) are super light with excellent, clean tone. I love my new GR Bass AT Cube 500 combo.
To My ear, the Orange Terror Bass really stood out. AZ did the Hartke and Phil Jones Bass. 🎸
Surprised the hartke winner. Maybe Victor wooten,Billy Sheehan Dave ellefson, frank bello know something. 2nd pro bass. Then Aguilar. The rest distance 3rd. But sounded good
Hartke and Orange 🍊 for me 🤘☠️
MarkBass all the way! and surprised me how close are both of them.
I have 3 bass rigs Eden, Ampeg and Bergantino
Love them all for the tones each one puts out.
The Bergantino cab in one of their other videos was the best in that shootout to me.
What a video ! Deserves more views
I am presently using a Markbass Little Mark Tube 800 head and Markbass Standard 104HF cab, and I am happy with the setup. That said, the Hartke truly surprised me and I will definitely give them more consideration in the future.
I know it's a question of taste and all the amps sound great but my favourites were the Eden and the PJB D1000. The PJB sounded very transparent with the sound of the instrument itself coming through with less colour from the amp than some of the others. I don't play PJB but I've been very intrigued by their approach to smaller drivers and since my little Audi doesn't have much boot (trunk) space I'm definitely going to check them out - have my eye on a 4x5'' cab for an extension to my usual knee-smacking combo.
Well damn, that was a fun listen 😃