Theres no end to how many times truly gullible people can be scammed with the same scam. And youtubers are just the blind hypemen for this kind of thing. Their engagement thrive off of this kind of bait and switch, rise and fall of enthusiasm and anger.
@@Captianmex1C0I know that, I’m from there. But the idea of mixing up the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest is very amusing. Corn fields are a bit more true to Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and Kansas than the Cascade mountains though lol
I doubt this will change anything, but if they will insist on using contractors that get replaced every 18 months, moving to an industry standard engine is a good choice.
Common practice tho if you only need short term work. Imagine once you get a game shipped, suddenly all those people you made full time employees have no more work to do.
@@EthanRom A little forward planning can help with that. Form a post release bug fix team and a dlc/updates type team. Have a second project that starts work after the first is finished. Or a contract that finishes when the product is released rather than after a fixed time, and rewards the contractor with a bonus based on time served. I'm sure a competent management team could come up with a few ideas to keep their highly trained talent around and ready for further work, or at least mitigate the issue you mentioned.
Moving to Unreal will allow them to get more bang from those 18mo contracts, but it won't let them move forward. If anything, some upper manager will view the engine change as an excuse to get more complacent, and the net effect will be that nothing will change. I don't think the people in charge realize that an engine change is a necessary (but not sufficient) step towards making forward progress, and needs to be tied to a larger change in MANAGEMENT CULTURE. I don't think Microsoft is capable of such a thought process.
@@justanotheraccounthere2014 Sonic Team is an in-house studio. Saying SEGA makes the games technically isn't wrong, but Sonic Team is more specific. It would be like saying Daytona USA was made by SEGA vs saying Daytona USA was made by AM2. Both are technically correct.
Finally kicking developers after the contracts expire instead of giving them proper employee benefits backfired, so they are switching to Unreal Engine, so they can keep that practice while mitigating the consequences...? I don't really like it
@@dead3ye209 yes and no, a bunch of terrible games are done like that, but better games don't dump everything on contractors... Contractors are good id you need some new random bullshit, but the person who put their fingerprints and skill on something is gone. Contracted work is simply of worse quality 90% of the time
Exactly. Games not gonna improve bc devs are not gonna improve, they will just be quicker to deliver trash. Im so glad halo finally got to the point they have to switch to unreal engine. Didnt care for halo 6, not gonna care for unreal halo. Im just so happy to see it like it is right now, so utterly trashed
Thanks for putting into words my worries about switching to Unreal. Videogame engines are like cameras, each have their own quirks and oddities that make the final photo (or game) unique. You can tell when a game is made in Unreal the same way you can tell when a game is built on engines like BLAM or Frostbite.
As someone currently finishing a degree in computer science and game development, I’m also worried about yet another studio using unreal, and yet another engine dying. I understand that an engine made for one studio isn’t really viable anymore for the most part, but I really wish Slipspace had been made into something of an Xbox Game Studios engine. 343 was not managed well in the second half of the 2010s, and I think Slipspace is a casualty of that.
@@Faust1169 This whole video they put out isn't really for the fans. We all know a new halo game is gonna come at some point it's mainly so they can staff up and pick through resumes.
I genuinely doubt anything will change. Old Bungie is what made Halo work, and not because they were Bungie - because they weren't all contractors who in the long-term didn't give a damn about the IP, and above all they were cohesive with the direction of development. If they keep this contractor shite up while keeping damaging factors like Frank O'Connor around, nothing will change.
Frank O connor is gone, so is Bonnie Ross and I think Kiki Wolfkill too, also there were massive general layoffs... Halo studios has a brand new leadership, and Hintze was the one in charge of fixing the MCC after it was left in disarray for years, so I'm actually kinda hopeful for the future of Halo, it's a brand new start. They can't do much with infinite bc it's a difficult game to deal with, so they're focusing on future games and I think that's the best they can do.
All of the old management is gone. Bonnie ‘quit’, Frankie has been gone for a year, Kiki was cooked after how bad the TV show and was moved to Microsoft itself The studio head is the lead of the team that fixed MCC. I’m willing to give this guy a shot
I hope the UE5 isn't an excuse to keep rotating staff. It lessens the problems for sure but employee retention is KEY to develop institutional knowledge and build experience that's gonna carry on for each new project.
Exactly! How are you supposed to have a team of employees that actually care about the product and future iterations of it if they know they're going to be cut loose in a year or two
@@thevideolord yep, it's kinda been that way through all of 343i's history and unless that changes I really don't see a good future for Halo. I'll be playing MCC until something REALLY catches my interest tbh.
@@Kai-1138 the NT (that people are usually familiar with) is NT4.0. Despite being weird, it was surprisingly stable. The next major rearchitecture (at least for the "consumer" market) was WinME, which was an utter disaster and was soon abandoned, much like halo 5. This was the beginning of the shitshow that ultimately pushed me to Linux full-time, something like 20 years ago. Which, ironically, is where I play the halo games.
343 Industries' reputation was beyond irreparable that they had to do a rebrand. A good start to Halo Studios, if they really want to gain some points with the community, it would be putting back the credits from the Bungie games on MCC. Show the original creators some respect, only then we can talk about the future, this "New Dawn". Should we start a campaign to make this happen?
Smart that the studio got a rebrand after a lot of people were essentially swapped out, I just wish it was something a little more creative than “Halo Studios”. EDIT: Never mind, LNG has a good point. Lol
I feel like the bigger problem is Microsoft isn't interested in keeping the talent that makes their games. Bungie's Halo games went up in quality over time because the team got to hone in their skills. Every round of contractor hires is going to be a panic. It'll be easier than learning an inhouse engine, but its still a bad idea.
Man, it is such a bummer though that yet another engine is being retired for Unreal. Part of what makes a game's visual identity stand out is the specific engine that was tailor-made to realize an art direction. Thief used the Dark Engine, Half Life 2 used Source, Doom 3 used idTech; all these games had such a unique aesthetic that you could see their DNA in other games that use the same engines. Sonic Team was brought up in the video, and I think they're a really prime example of what I'm thinking of. I remember when Frontiers came up, and there came up all this discussion that Sonic Team should just abandon the Hedgehog engine due to the technical problems that game had. Now Sonic X Shadow Generations is coming out, is looking far more polished, and what's more is that you can tell it's still using the Hedgehog Engine. I just don't know. I remember a time in the game's industry where a new game engine was something really exciting, and now more and more developers switching to Unreal is a symptom of a shift to something much more stale, impersonal, and corporate.
UE5 is just so *tiring* at this point. You can tell a game was made in it from about 5 seconds of it running. And the performance is absolute garbage. It's the death of unique aesthetics.
Agree, no legitimate excuse for the engine change when Call of Duty and Battlefield are still able to do it (okay, the latter is in dire straights so might not be the best example)
@@sunyavadin please play gears of war 4 and 5 and tell us performance is garbage. performance is as good or bad as the studio that makes it wants it to be
look at bioshock, Batman arkham games, Hellblade, fortnite, jedi survivor games, sea of thieves, gears of war. and a fuck load more None of these games look similar NOR play similar. they all look unique and stand out. and all on unreal engine. with creativity and skill, UE is the best choice
As far as the Halo “feel”, HiddenXperia did a video recently, he talked about just that. The physics engine/plug-in, Havoc I believe it’s called, is something that can be applied to the Unreal 5 Engine, which I believe is just the graphics and model rendering engine? I’m not fully aware of how game engines work, but I believe the physics and the mechanics that made Halo so special can still be applied to UE5 just the same.
I haven’t been all that excited about the “studio update” 343 put out and you kinda nailed why. This wasn’t for fans, it may have all the gloss and glam, but in the end this was just a big hiring ad. “Come work for us we aren’t using that dinky old Tiger/Blam engine anymore.” is the vibe I got. While that helps one specific problem, it doesn’t necessarily ease my apprehension to 343 after Infinite. What is REALLY gonna stop them from making *another* Halo Infinite? When are we going to get a fully fledged, complete, out of the box, Halo game that doesn’t have a dozen disclaimers? Are we just chasing trends again - what with the all but confirmed CE Remake - or are we actually moving forward with a plan? Don’t even get me started on the graphical fidelity chasing, that’s a wide enough issue as it is in the gaming community.
Your forgetting that the ppl behind Halo Studios isnt the same leadership as the one behind 343i Ever since the big layoffs the 343i we knew was gone, the announcement of Halo Studios was just the confirmation that Halo is under new leadership
Woah, I didn't plat Halo 5 or Infinite, but "a dozen reclaimers" sounds super messy! They should've just keept that flying blue ball from the first game, and the naked computer chick (I know she was in another Halo as well, but I liked her when she was green and red and talking more to me). Also I wish the zombies would come back again, I played the Halo OSTD and all zombies was gone and the computer girl as well. Didn't even feel like I was Master Chef anymore, 343 really dropped the ball on that one, and that's why I didn't even try Halo 5 and Infinite. Anyone know where the blue curvy girl is from if it's a game or maybe animated movie, I only seen a few pictures but I want to see learn more about that character? Would appreciate it a lot.
There's nothing to be excited about until they release a Halo game that actually lives up to what Bungie accomplished, 343 has yet to do that, and an engine change isn't enough to convince me that anything will change. You can replace the engine and rename your studio but the same people who have been disappointing us for all these years are still behind the wheel....
I think they are actually different people, but I think that's worse. They don't have the experience nor institutional knowledge from previous games, they have to develop as a team and probably make a lot of mistakes again to learn and grow as a studio... so their contracts end and they have leave while the studio loses all that experience once again and have to start over again. Their 18 month contract strategy is killing the studio.
@@ranzu3138 There's no way that all the people from 343 are gone. There will be new people of course but I imagine the majority of people making up the studio will be 343 team members. Keep in mind that over the last 10+ years there have been several people who have joined and left 343, which is the case for most development studios over time.
@@marco12377 I don't mean all of them of course, but as you said 343 has been rotating staff consistently for the past years and that's not good. Employee retention is very important for game studios, a healthy dose of rotation is fine but I don't think that's the case for 343 and most studios. Larian's CEO made a speech about this topic at GDC and most developers I follow share the same sentiment.
It’s smart that they’re switching to an industry standard like Unreal 5. Instead of having to figure out how to do the things we want in their brand new engine (splitscreen for example), they’ll be using an engine where that is easier/already figured out. But the retention of the contractor system leaves me worried.
"The original Halo franchise was a graphic showcase" - Said by one of Halo Studio's higher ups. We're cooked, they hired people who dont get what made Halo great AGAIN.
To be honest.. The graphics WERE insane for the time on console. But yeah, thats not all the game was. It was the 'party' game factor that made it amazing
Yeah that's very concerning, Halo always looked good but it never really had what you would call top of the line graphics, it was carried by its amazing art direction until 4(which had to sacrifice a lot of gameplay elements to achieve its graphic fidelity). I really hope this Halo Studio can focus on the stuff that really matters which is Sandbox, AI, physics, vehicles
@@AlgaeEater09 I know what you mean an youre absolutely right, but i dont think that was the core element that made it all amazing. Just like the other dude mentioned above, Gameplay was always the top priority. Movement, physics, gun feeling, gun sandbox, balance, combat loop, AI, mechanics, vehicles, the fighting arena. Now THATS what made Halo awesome at its core.
Buddy, Infinite exists because CANCER triger's after effects are still lingering. I'm sorry for being even more pessimistic, but I heavily doubt that next game would refrain from having Master Chief getting KILLED by "gOkU" the pedophilic monkey man...
If they really HAVE to use their contractors and rotate them, then using UE5 is a much more practical choice. I'll wait until they actually announce a game, but hopefully this "rebirth" does actually do them good. They're stuck maintaining Infinite, so we'll have to see whatever project they actually start with from scratch.
The new team will not improve if they keep rotating staff. There's no getting around that, they need to retain talent, otherwise mistakes will still be happening frequently, just more polished mistakes.
My checklist for a successful Halo comeback: - Playable Elites (Brutes for bonus points) - Flood (with a horde mode) - Dual wielding - Assassinations - Rated M for mature - ALL weapons from Halo 1 - Reach. Don't bother including anything 343 "innovated" on. - Ships with AS MUCH content as Reach did day 1. Congrats, you've made the most popular FPS game of all time.
Dude, Flood is never coming back because it's not family-friendly for Microsoft's generic space game that they got handed the keys to when Bungie left. Edit, you're also not getting an M rating. See above for why.
@@DigitalApex there was a recent trailer a few months back that had an M rating for some sort of Halo game. I can't recall which one at this point. But yeah Microsoft needs to man tf up and make it a proper rated M title.
They should not bring back dual wielding for MP it killed the balance for many weapons, PvE is fine. It would be nice if they followed Halo CE’s example where all the weapons felt useful. I hope they don't bring back things like the Spartan Laser or grapple hook for how it hurt vehicles and please no armor lock.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" is how I like to look at things, though "Don't hope for anything and you'll never be disappointed" isn't a bad one.
Its a shame to see the old Blam engine retired, but if the studio is going to keep working as a revolving door of contractors, it's the best thing they can really do right now. Unreal is an amazing, powerful toolset but it still requires a lot of skill and good management to use right. Best of luck to the new team.
3:45, you know what? considering it's THE Unreal Engine. I wish it can be more than just 'Forge Mode', take a look at Insurgency Sandstorm made in Unreal, yet it opens up a huge modding possibility.
Still wish that they would nurture and improve the Blam engine instead of letting it turn into a spaghetti code yarnball that no one can unwrap. This is the best move though, the way Microsoft insist on using contractors instead of taking care of employees long term.
It’s not gunna matter because there’s still no one at Microsoft with a vision for the franchise. They’re just going to chase nostalgia and market trends forever.
They were using infinite assets. This shows that if a Halo CE remake is in the works, it isn’t very far along. This we new, but it is still important to keep in mind. This was mostly a render show off, not proof a CE remake will happen. I hope it doesn’t.
@@momsspaghetti4064 The menu to MCC is pre rendered. What you're seeing here is (near enough) exactly how the game would actually look during gameplay.
Or maybe they're using pre-existing assets that look pretty good to streamline production of what really matters: Gameplay and Story. The Infinite assets are a great base for the future of Halo and can likely serve for 2-3 more games while still being visually impressive.
I hope they can nail the feel of Halo. If they can get that down, it could mark the potential resurgence of the Halo name and what it used to represent.
that’s the thing tho, buy and large it doesn’t. Halo Infinite was the product of the previous leadership and engine. now, we have neither of those. this is a new studio in all ways but some carryovers and a building.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 at this point for me it’s just i want 343 gone fully i know the employees aren’t at fault but i genuinely have very little positives to say about 343. and while bungie ain’t perfect at the time it was much better
If nothing else, I appreciate your willingness to give context to some of the more nuanced and less immediately obvious parts of this changeover- why Unreal would be a benefit in the current climate of work in the video game industry. I was already somewhat optimistic (they are COOKING with that MkV and M6D) but I didn’t know about the contractor cycle.
If Halo doesn’t steer WELL AWAY from the microtransactions and go back to the good old PLAY TO UNLOCK STUFF, then NO ONE should care about this. Nothing will get better if nobody does anything.
is... anyone seriously optimistic about thousands of firings and somehow pretending this will make the next game better? are you guys for real?. I know marketing can swing opinions but they ain't even trying, they are just flashing text on the screen saying "EVERYTHING IS GOOD NOW" and you all just repeat "everything is good now".
The teaser said/showed nothing of that sort, just that things are changing. It's basically not 343 anymore (in regards to leadership and devs, not just name), it's fine to be a little optimistic in this case.
The BLAM engine needs to at the very least, act as a blueprint/guideline for them when remaking Combat Evolved. That will at least give them the benefit of understanding how to replicate the *feel* of Halo in Unreal.
The folks at sabre interactive seem to have a good level of technical understanding of halos engine. They should have a shot at a proper halo project completely of their own, instead of giving a rebrand to the same studio that ran halo to the ground and switching to unreal
@@giordanogarduno9207much of the staff responsible for the issues Halo had had left the company. I hope some hope for the new management as the head of the studios is the sams guy that led the effort to defuck MCC.
I just hope it still “feels” like halo. I like unreal but I also love how halo feels. It’s one of the most unique feeling games out there due to its weird engine that somehow works.
343 is also a fun little reference to how 343 Guilty Spark betrayed Master Chief in the end. Kidding aside, I really hope that the next Halo game won’t disappoint.
Bro, I relate so much to what you said about finding the silverware in other peoples houses. I can't even find it at my grandmothers house anymore, people just keeps moving it around or maybe hiding it nowadays. Like come on if I'm eating at your place as a friend/family, then I wanna use the silver and not the cheap Ikea stuff!
It's gonna be weird to say 'Halo Studios' and not '343'. I hope it's a change I will enjoy. Edit: Bruh y'all are missing my point, I'm trynna say it's gonna be weird saying Halo Studios and not 343. Edit 2: Oh for fuck's sake, READ MY COMMENT BEFORE REPLYING. I'm saying that saying the name 'Halo Studios' is going to feel weird, unlike '343'. So stop telling me it's just a re-name of the company, I'M AWARE. Don't make me make an Edit 3... guess what? Edit 3: Bruh
Here is the answer to the question “yah but will it feel like halo?” Yes. UE5 is extremely flexible. If anything, it will feel more halo than halo ever did because of what this engine can do.
I'm glad that they're moving to UE5. The Blam! engine that was used for the Halo games and what was used for Infinite's Slipspace engine is pretty outdated and, more importantly, was made with Bungie in mind, making it really hard for anyone else to use. With that said, however, I really hope that Microsoft stops their practice of cycling contractors with 18-month-cycles because using a standardized game engine likely won't solve that issue. I don't think it will happen, but here's hoping. I do hope the best for Halo Studios but I can't say I expect much.
While it doesn’t undo the mistakes they’ve made as 343, it’s great they finally changed to a different company title that doesn’t have a bad rep. What Halo Studios presented to us looked great, and I’m cautiously optimistic about how they’ll reinvigorate the recipe for Halo going forward.
I been saying this might needed to have happened because 343 name brings up negative connotations, they needed to rebrand. No doubt when discussion of them remake Halo 1 came up, higher ups thought it was the perfect time to rebrand.
A rose, by any other name, is still a rose. They can change their name to whatever they want, but until there's a sea change at MS Game Studios and a CULTURAL shift, this means literally nothing
Mtx will still be around as long as people keep insisting on the "linear bad" crap, because the pedochimp of "gOkU" can't stand people finally admitting "cRoNo" triger's mediocrity. How else will big corporations have such a great excuse for mtx as "oPeN wUrLdZ"?
This would be a lot less exciting if Bonnie Ross was still in charge. A rebrand means very little, but I actually think in this case, Pierre Hintze's Halo Studios will be very diffident. Pierre has a great track record.
Remember when game engines weren't part of marketing campaigns? I get more hyped about being shown a game that seems like a good one rather than being told "It runs on that extremely popular engine". The rebrand is also nothing much to get excited about, imo. It's only a name. The same people remain, the same changes they have done before the rebrand aren't due to that said rebrand... And the 18 months contractor thing still being there makes me more worried about the future of this studio and the Halo franchise. We've seen it happen with Forza Motorsport 2023 which relied heavily on contractors and it ended up being a terrible game.
Unreal 5 pretty much kills: * Forge Modes (They'll have to make a game with a side game of making games, where in Blam engine it was right there) * Replays (The data replays that you can use in Unreal 5 will be hard to make, precise retelling of evenst and physics might result in problems in the replays such as 5 gb replays size). * File Share (cant see it happenign with some funny RCE bug that the Unreal team will need to patch, not Halo Studios team will be able to). BUT, i'm still hopefull even after that because... That means if the Halo studios can put out some Halo games on Unreal while properly hiring engineers to fix and upgrade Blam engine, then we gaming! Like, Main halo games on Blam with huge upgrades, sping off's, side stories games (how about an Elite fps perspective game after Halo 4 and 5 ?), maybe we'll get a halo wars 3...
Is the music in this a remix of the original sonic adventure 2 track? The percussion sounds kind of new to me? Or maybe I just haven't heard it in a while?
Honestly I think a rebrand for this new era is a smart move. Especially after the 2023 layoffs, the team currently at the helm is not the same people who brought us Halo 4 / 5. The new team deserves their fair chance and shouldn't be stuck with the radioactive baggage that the name "343" forever carries.
There isn't a team. It's just contractors and management. Honestly at this point I'm about as close to giving up on Halo as I've ever been. If they were willing to employ permanent employees, they could have retained Slipspace, and better yet, they could have retained the talent needed to make Halo Infinite a success. But after all this, if the best option management can see is to abandon the Halo game engine and continue cycling contractors? No, I don't see things ever improving for Halo at this rate.
How can a company like Microsoft justify not having full teams that are in house that are fully funded to make the games that they are trying to push now that they've given up on the console?
Having a personal engine to fit the game's vision and needs was one thing that the older Halo games unique, especially with their physics. They can't do this anymore because they aren't a consistent development team, always outsourcing and contracting. It's probably for the better, even though it's a little disapointing
Doubt started immediately when they said that halo at its beginning was a graphic showcase, like what? Halo was pretty much everything from grpahics, gameplay, artstyle, music and was one of the rare fps for console. AND it literally created xbox by being the greatest game of the year.
It is crazy that 343 Industries and Xbox Live Gold is dead around the same time due to rebranding. As we all know everything that isn’t Microsoft Office isn’t going to get any real effort put into it. I feel like we are getting to a point where every single AAA developer is basically all working in one monopolized engine. I’m just glad that whatever engine it is it won’t be Unity because everyone who touches that gets screwed over.
Well one way it could get some attention is halo became a part of the windows licence activation service, then it would get lots of care from ms and it will fill so good your pc with spyware with love from ms
Well, everything I typed was just a bad joke but yeah Windows 10/11s Xbox desktop app has been awesome. That being said: Games for Windows Live was a mistake. 20 Years has passed and every company still pretends that nobody will own *All of PC Gaming* one day although Valve pretends, they already have. I love Steam but launchers will simply be the thing of the past as DRM will be pre-programmed each game we own directly from the publisher.
With managment changes and technical debt issues gone, this could be a start of a new era for halo but we've been here before. Its really difficult to care for a series that has had 12 years of blunders.
There will be a massive influx of mods. It's also an opportunity for getting experienced UE users. Think about this. There's people who have played Halo that are proficient in UE. They are best suited for this. They know Chief and Cortana. (I'm still put off by how Cortana was written after Halo 3/Reach). It's another chance to have a Helldivers Halo. The one that was rejected years ago. Play an ODST or Marine in the franchise and fight The Banished, Covenant, Flood or Forerunners. Or play any of the other races within other factions. Choose based on faction to race or race to faction. I think this would be great to do. But in the meantime you can play and mod Operation Harsh Doorstop.
Havok engine is already working on UE5 and was shown off about 5 months ago. The one thing I can guess is they are using those tools on the future game to keep the feel more in line with Bungie era.
Actions speak louder than words. I'll wait and see if this new studio is the change we needed, or just a rebranding to try and decieve us into thinking they've changed, when they haven't. They had over a decade to make a good Halo game. Over a decade. And they still didn't deliver. This new studio damn well had better do good by us gamers, else I'm just never buying Halo again, I'll stick to MCC.
It's not just an Xbox studios thing. AAA game development is massively dependant on contractors. Thousands of contractors also worked on GoW Ragnarok and Cyberpunk 2077 each.
i very much lack faith in this studio, a lot of people from 343 have stayed from what i'm seeing and the first thing they do is show off the artstyle, 343 got the artstyle right in infinite, we have no idea what they have in mind for story, for gameplay and it seems like the first thing they're giving us is another Halo C3 remaster, i'm hopping they bring up something actually new to modernize CE not just to make it look pretty, forge, firefight, etc. Expanding upon the first two games to make them on par with Halo 3 in terms of modernization & replayability would be a good start.
another big feature to note with unreal engine is that xbox game studios as a whole are considered one of the leading supporters of unreal. Mainly with the coalition having insane knowledge about the engine. Perfect dark using UE5 as well. So as well as contractors being able to do their jobs better, they would have better in house support as well. One thing i am worried about is forge mode however, though they may take UEFN approach with it
343 did fine with the blam engine (Bungie engine), Halo 5 is a great example they put out an insane amount of post launch content after release and the gameplay of Halo 5 tho controversial to some was very fluid, modern and fast. It was the new engine 343 made, Slipspace that really screwed everything up and is why to this day 3 years later the only substantial amount of post launch content we've gotten outside of maps is 1 single weapon. I don't think there can really be any argument about Slipspace not being a new engine now, clearly it was and clearly it screwed Infinite.
I heard from DF that CD Projekt Red is struggling to eliminate Unreal Engine stutters. Through their research, they discovered that these stutters stem from Unreal Engine being a general-purpose engine, bloated with code and functionalities designed to cater to developers across various fields. Say what you will about CDPR, but the engine they built for Cyberpunk is impressive, running that dense open world without noticeable stutter. They achieved this because they developed a set of tools laser-focused on accomplishing a single goal.
Remember folks, over 70% of the people who worked on Halo Infinite were fired, this is an entirely new group of people, new leadership, new organization, on a new engine
Apparently LNH never heard the word "forest" in his entire life lol. In all seriousness I hope the best for the studio. Hopefully they do things such as a kick ass Halo CE remake that is faithful to Bungie's intentions and hopefully retcon the Forerunners retcon and make the Halostory subreddit mald.
So instead of doing something about the baffling management situation of having all of your employees essentially walking through a revolving door, usually right about the time they could really get settled with the studio/ engine, they're just abandoning the engine that's been used for Halo up to this point/ a core piece of Halo's identity and remnant of Bungie to move over to generic engine that pretty much every game uses? Stoked to hear it, I'm sure Halo is on the up and up from here
I think I've learned my lesson about being over-optimistic with halo these past few years, but I am genuinely excited to see if 343 (or Halo Studios) are finally truly trying to clean up their act. I really hope that all of this marks a new start to our beloved franchise.
No clue why I said “Midwestern” when describing Halo’s usual biome but hey lol no going back now
Came here so fast to comment about this lol
lol I think you meant North Western
@@MATTW3RPacific Northwest more specifically since it’s based on the forest areas around Seattle - Portland area
Pacific Northwest makes a lot more sense. Very much reminds me of the Lost Coast and further north. Beautiful area all around.
@@evil-wombat yup! I was born and raised in this area, so I’m pretty familiar with it. I love it so much here
Number Company is un-alived, long live Circle Workshop.
We have won but at what cost?
I say, meme potential
This is actually amazing, thank you for making my day.
Three Digits corporation has expired, now Hula Hoop Boutique is the new boss in town
number company just changed their name to round company, they're still the same.
Circle workshop is a Far better name than halo studios
Be cautiously optimistic boys, we've been here before
TRUE! Don't praise anything until we see something worth praising. Lowkey hope we get that megablox Halo game.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me three times…I’d love to be wrong.
I remember the 2018 E3 trailer
And y'all didn't do a thing to stop it..
Theres no end to how many times truly gullible people can be scammed with the same scam. And youtubers are just the blind hypemen for this kind of thing. Their engagement thrive off of this kind of bait and switch, rise and fall of enthusiasm and anger.
You did NOT call the forest biome “Midwestern” lmao. Though a corn field map would be an interesting place for a halo game
harvest
The Midwest isn't just Dry Fields
@@Captianmex1C0I know that, I’m from there. But the idea of mixing up the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest is very amusing. Corn fields are a bit more true to Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and Kansas than the Cascade mountains though lol
@@Captianmex1C0 no shit lmao, nobody said that
Dbd aah map request.
I doubt this will change anything, but if they will insist on using contractors that get replaced every 18 months, moving to an industry standard engine is a good choice.
Common practice tho if you only need short term work. Imagine once you get a game shipped, suddenly all those people you made full time employees have no more work to do.
@@EthanRom A little forward planning can help with that. Form a post release bug fix team and a dlc/updates type team. Have a second project that starts work after the first is finished. Or a contract that finishes when the product is released rather than after a fixed time, and rewards the contractor with a bonus based on time served. I'm sure a competent management team could come up with a few ideas to keep their highly trained talent around and ready for further work, or at least mitigate the issue you mentioned.
@@EthanRom then surely you would contract them throughout the whole game's development
Moving to Unreal will allow them to get more bang from those 18mo contracts, but it won't let them move forward. If anything, some upper manager will view the engine change as an excuse to get more complacent, and the net effect will be that nothing will change. I don't think the people in charge realize that an engine change is a necessary (but not sufficient) step towards making forward progress, and needs to be tied to a larger change in MANAGEMENT CULTURE. I don't think Microsoft is capable of such a thought process.
still the same jokers making the game
*Sniffs air**
"What is it?"
"That stench, I've smelled it before..."
The Didact was right...
The reclamation has already begun...
And we are hopeless to stop it...
"What studio makes Sonic games?" Oh easy Sega. *Shows Sonic Team* . Oh.
Sega is the publisher, but I think they also developed some of the early ones in house? So you are probably not wrong.
"Welcome to Sonic Team, we make games I think!"
@@justanotheraccounthere2014 Sonic Team is an in-house studio. Saying SEGA makes the games technically isn't wrong, but Sonic Team is more specific. It would be like saying Daytona USA was made by SEGA vs saying Daytona USA was made by AM2. Both are technically correct.
dont worry, I confidently said Capcom outloud
@@RednekGamurz Its like how PROJECT ACES does the Ace Combat Games but Namco is the owner/publisher/manager of PROJECT ACES games.
Finally kicking developers after the contracts expire instead of giving them proper employee benefits backfired, so they are switching to Unreal Engine, so they can keep that practice while mitigating the consequences...? I don't really like it
Well isnt that how it works everywhere contactor thing iis done by sony too
@@dead3ye209 yes and no, a bunch of terrible games are done like that, but better games don't dump everything on contractors... Contractors are good id you need some new random bullshit, but the person who put their fingerprints and skill on something is gone. Contracted work is simply of worse quality 90% of the time
Exactly. Games not gonna improve bc devs are not gonna improve, they will just be quicker to deliver trash. Im so glad halo finally got to the point they have to switch to unreal engine. Didnt care for halo 6, not gonna care for unreal halo. Im just so happy to see it like it is right now, so utterly trashed
@@giordanogarduno9207stop playing video games then my guy, and go outside enjoy something else in life
@@dead3ye209No it's not, contract work is primarily used by companies like ubisoft and EA that pump out slop
Thanks for putting into words my worries about switching to Unreal. Videogame engines are like cameras, each have their own quirks and oddities that make the final photo (or game) unique. You can tell when a game is made in Unreal the same way you can tell when a game is built on engines like BLAM or Frostbite.
Well said!
I hope it doesn't end up like kingdom hearts 3. Kh3 doesn't feel anything like what made kh 1 and 2 so special.
As someone currently finishing a degree in computer science and game development, I’m also worried about yet another studio using unreal, and yet another engine dying. I understand that an engine made for one studio isn’t really viable anymore for the most part, but I really wish Slipspace had been made into something of an Xbox Game Studios engine. 343 was not managed well in the second half of the 2010s, and I think Slipspace is a casualty of that.
Even if they were able to transfer the feel and physics of the game 1:1 people will still say it feels different. It's basically unavoidable.
@@Faust1169 This whole video they put out isn't really for the fans. We all know a new halo game is gonna come at some point it's mainly so they can staff up and pick through resumes.
I genuinely doubt anything will change. Old Bungie is what made Halo work, and not because they were Bungie - because they weren't all contractors who in the long-term didn't give a damn about the IP, and above all they were cohesive with the direction of development.
If they keep this contractor shite up while keeping damaging factors like Frank O'Connor around, nothing will change.
Frank O connor is gone, so is Bonnie Ross and I think Kiki Wolfkill too, also there were massive general layoffs... Halo studios has a brand new leadership, and Hintze was the one in charge of fixing the MCC after it was left in disarray for years, so I'm actually kinda hopeful for the future of Halo, it's a brand new start. They can't do much with infinite bc it's a difficult game to deal with, so they're focusing on future games and I think that's the best they can do.
All of the old management is gone. Bonnie ‘quit’, Frankie has been gone for a year, Kiki was cooked after how bad the TV show and was moved to Microsoft itself
The studio head is the lead of the team that fixed MCC. I’m willing to give this guy a shot
@@JuaniAlva The same setup for Infinite. But it still flopped lmao
@@DigitalApex what do you mean? Bonnie Ross was the director of 343 when infinite was made, it's not at all the same setup now as it was 6 years ago.
@@JuaniAlva also Nick the guy who hates guns is still working on the next halo game
I hope the UE5 isn't an excuse to keep rotating staff. It lessens the problems for sure but employee retention is KEY to develop institutional knowledge and build experience that's gonna carry on for each new project.
Exactly! How are you supposed to have a team of employees that actually care about the product and future iterations of it if they know they're going to be cut loose in a year or two
It is.
@@thevideolord yep, it's kinda been that way through all of 343i's history and unless that changes I really don't see a good future for Halo.
I'll be playing MCC until something REALLY catches my interest tbh.
It definetly will be used to excuse rotating staff. They will not start paying more for permanent positions.
It is. This only makes it easier for them to get cheap exploitable labour
I hope the new "halo studios" understand the importance of playable elites and makes an effort to include them in future projects.
There’s a lot of things they need to consider for the next game
They’re not really needed either way.
@@uh_ant Invasion would be sick ngl
I'll never understand why people bitch about playable elites so much
Almost NO ONE used them in previous games
@@PackHunter117 yeah but I’d rather have a battlefront like mode instead.
It’s still 343. They can hide the old name but can not hide the failures they have made.
Most of the old team are gone though.
@@salazar591 I know but it’s still my skepticism. I still hope for nothing but success for halo
there is almost no one from 343 left
At worst 343i’s games have been mixed bags. Not failures.
@@jamestheviking983 it’s all opinion based
So we're skipping Halo Vista and jumping straight to Halo 7?
Where have I heard this before?
We did skip Halo XP and Halo 95, plus Halo 98.
But wait, that would mean Halo 4 would have been Halo NT, which means Halo 5 was Halo ME. Yeah, actually that tracks.
@@evil-wombat ???
@@Kai-1138 the NT (that people are usually familiar with) is NT4.0. Despite being weird, it was surprisingly stable. The next major rearchitecture (at least for the "consumer" market) was WinME, which was an utter disaster and was soon abandoned, much like halo 5.
This was the beginning of the shitshow that ultimately pushed me to Linux full-time, something like 20 years ago. Which, ironically, is where I play the halo games.
@@evil-wombat I have never heard of either of those operating systems bro- (I know Linux atleast, but not NT or ME.)
343 Industries' reputation was beyond irreparable that they had to do a rebrand. A good start to Halo Studios, if they really want to gain some points with the community, it would be putting back the credits from the Bungie games on MCC. Show the original creators some respect, only then we can talk about the future, this "New Dawn".
Should we start a campaign to make this happen?
They removed the credits from MCC?!
That should be illegal.
Smart that the studio got a rebrand after a lot of people were essentially swapped out, I just wish it was something a little more creative than “Halo Studios”.
EDIT: Never mind, LNG has a good point. Lol
Maybe Slipspace studios
They gotta go back to the drawing board with the logo tho omg
@@HowDoYouTurnThisOn_ 117 studios
@@duck_entertainment I think it looks fine, tbh.
There's also Ryu Ga Gotoko Studio. With is the studio beyong Like a Dragon, which is called Ryu Ga Gotoko in Japan.
I feel like the bigger problem is Microsoft isn't interested in keeping the talent that makes their games. Bungie's Halo games went up in quality over time because the team got to hone in their skills. Every round of contractor hires is going to be a panic. It'll be easier than learning an inhouse engine, but its still a bad idea.
Whatever they want to call it, it's still just Microsoft. Halo is a walking zombie at this point
So do you call every game on Xbox, created by Microsoft?
@@unisect9106 No. Do you need me to explain the difference between Halo and other Xbox games to you.
@unisect9106 Being the same IP might have something to do with it
@@unisect9106 No, he's saying that anything Microsoft touches sucks.
Man, it is such a bummer though that yet another engine is being retired for Unreal. Part of what makes a game's visual identity stand out is the specific engine that was tailor-made to realize an art direction.
Thief used the Dark Engine, Half Life 2 used Source, Doom 3 used idTech; all these games had such a unique aesthetic that you could see their DNA in other games that use the same engines.
Sonic Team was brought up in the video, and I think they're a really prime example of what I'm thinking of. I remember when Frontiers came up, and there came up all this discussion that Sonic Team should just abandon the Hedgehog engine due to the technical problems that game had. Now Sonic X Shadow Generations is coming out, is looking far more polished, and what's more is that you can tell it's still using the Hedgehog Engine.
I just don't know. I remember a time in the game's industry where a new game engine was something really exciting, and now more and more developers switching to Unreal is a symptom of a shift to something much more stale, impersonal, and corporate.
UE5 is just so *tiring* at this point. You can tell a game was made in it from about 5 seconds of it running. And the performance is absolute garbage. It's the death of unique aesthetics.
Buddy, the old engine 343 was using was one they barely could make work
Agree, no legitimate excuse for the engine change when Call of Duty and Battlefield are still able to do it (okay, the latter is in dire straights so might not be the best example)
@@sunyavadin please play gears of war 4 and 5 and tell us performance is garbage. performance is as good or bad as the studio that makes it wants it to be
look at bioshock, Batman arkham games, Hellblade, fortnite, jedi survivor games, sea of thieves, gears of war. and a fuck load more
None of these games look similar NOR play similar. they all look unique and stand out. and all on unreal engine. with creativity and skill, UE is the best choice
3:06 not me answering "Sega"💀
I got the feeling this ain't gonna change anything.
Nope it will change.
Its gonna change to even worser things
As far as the Halo “feel”, HiddenXperia did a video recently, he talked about just that. The physics engine/plug-in, Havoc I believe it’s called, is something that can be applied to the Unreal 5 Engine, which I believe is just the graphics and model rendering engine? I’m not fully aware of how game engines work, but I believe the physics and the mechanics that made Halo so special can still be applied to UE5 just the same.
I haven’t been all that excited about the “studio update” 343 put out and you kinda nailed why. This wasn’t for fans, it may have all the gloss and glam, but in the end this was just a big hiring ad.
“Come work for us we aren’t using that dinky old Tiger/Blam engine anymore.” is the vibe I got.
While that helps one specific problem, it doesn’t necessarily ease my apprehension to 343 after Infinite. What is REALLY gonna stop them from making *another* Halo Infinite? When are we going to get a fully fledged, complete, out of the box, Halo game that doesn’t have a dozen disclaimers?
Are we just chasing trends again - what with the all but confirmed CE Remake - or are we actually moving forward with a plan?
Don’t even get me started on the graphical fidelity chasing, that’s a wide enough issue as it is in the gaming community.
Your forgetting that the ppl behind Halo Studios isnt the same leadership as the one behind 343i
Ever since the big layoffs the 343i we knew was gone, the announcement of Halo Studios was just the confirmation that Halo is under new leadership
Yeah, I can't stand continuing to push graphics when the game that defined my childhood can't even turn my head anymore.
@@NoNameTaken117 They still have Unyshek, and he's kinda been a dick to the community, *especially* if you're critical towards 343. Red flag for me
Woah, I didn't plat Halo 5 or Infinite, but "a dozen reclaimers" sounds super messy! They should've just keept that flying blue ball from the first game, and the naked computer chick (I know she was in another Halo as well, but I liked her when she was green and red and talking more to me). Also I wish the zombies would come back again, I played the Halo OSTD and all zombies was gone and the computer girl as well. Didn't even feel like I was Master Chef anymore, 343 really dropped the ball on that one, and that's why I didn't even try Halo 5 and Infinite. Anyone know where the blue curvy girl is from if it's a game or maybe animated movie, I only seen a few pictures but I want to see learn more about that character? Would appreciate it a lot.
@@musictorin Really? Then it's a mixed bag then because either ppl like Unyshek or they don't but I wouldn't say 1 person would ruin everything
There's nothing to be excited about until they release a Halo game that actually lives up to what Bungie accomplished, 343 has yet to do that, and an engine change isn't enough to convince me that anything will change. You can replace the engine and rename your studio but the same people who have been disappointing us for all these years are still behind the wheel....
I think they are actually different people, but I think that's worse.
They don't have the experience nor institutional knowledge from previous games, they have to develop as a team and probably make a lot of mistakes again to learn and grow as a studio... so their contracts end and they have leave while the studio loses all that experience once again and have to start over again.
Their 18 month contract strategy is killing the studio.
@@ranzu3138 There's no way that all the people from 343 are gone. There will be new people of course but I imagine the majority of people making up the studio will be 343 team members. Keep in mind that over the last 10+ years there have been several people who have joined and left 343, which is the case for most development studios over time.
@@marco12377 I don't mean all of them of course, but as you said 343 has been rotating staff consistently for the past years and that's not good. Employee retention is very important for game studios, a healthy dose of rotation is fine but I don't think that's the case for 343 and most studios.
Larian's CEO made a speech about this topic at GDC and most developers I follow share the same sentiment.
343 drops the name 343i "No, this is our fight, and I will see it finished."
"quick what dev team makes Sonic game?" me looking to start a fight "BIG RED BUTTON!"
It’s smart that they’re switching to an industry standard like Unreal 5. Instead of having to figure out how to do the things we want in their brand new engine (splitscreen for example), they’ll be using an engine where that is easier/already figured out. But the retention of the contractor system leaves me worried.
They probably still won’t do splitscreen
The contractor thing is on Microsoft and it is across the whole company so it ain't going away
If they weren't constantly cycling staff it wouldn't be an issue
"The original Halo franchise was a graphic showcase" - Said by one of Halo Studio's higher ups.
We're cooked, they hired people who dont get what made Halo great AGAIN.
To be honest.. The graphics WERE insane for the time on console. But yeah, thats not all the game was. It was the 'party' game factor that made it amazing
Yeah that's very concerning, Halo always looked good but it never really had what you would call top of the line graphics, it was carried by its amazing art direction until 4(which had to sacrifice a lot of gameplay elements to achieve its graphic fidelity). I really hope this Halo Studio can focus on the stuff that really matters which is Sandbox, AI, physics, vehicles
Yeah, I don't think Halo is back
@@AlgaeEater09 I know what you mean an youre absolutely right, but i dont think that was the core element that made it all amazing.
Just like the other dude mentioned above, Gameplay was always the top priority. Movement, physics, gun feeling, gun sandbox, balance, combat loop, AI, mechanics, vehicles, the fighting arena. Now THATS what made Halo awesome at its core.
Buddy, Infinite exists because CANCER triger's after effects are still lingering.
I'm sorry for being even more pessimistic, but I heavily doubt that next game would refrain from having Master Chief getting KILLED by "gOkU" the pedophilic monkey man...
If they really HAVE to use their contractors and rotate them, then using UE5 is a much more practical choice. I'll wait until they actually announce a game, but hopefully this "rebirth" does actually do them good. They're stuck maintaining Infinite, so we'll have to see whatever project they actually start with from scratch.
Microsoft kind of makes them. This is their way of dealing with Microsofts bullshit, it's not ideal, bit better than what 343 had
The new team will not improve if they keep rotating staff. There's no getting around that, they need to retain talent, otherwise mistakes will still be happening frequently, just more polished mistakes.
Shoutout to the Sonic Adventure 2 soundtrack, another one of the all time greats.
It’s the same people, it’s called rebranding lol.
So nothing has actually changed, they are just rebranding as a form of damage control, a time honour tradition for disgraced companies.
My checklist for a successful Halo comeback:
- Playable Elites (Brutes for bonus points)
- Flood (with a horde mode)
- Dual wielding
- Assassinations
- Rated M for mature
- ALL weapons from Halo 1 - Reach. Don't bother including anything 343 "innovated" on.
- Ships with AS MUCH content as Reach did day 1.
Congrats, you've made the most popular FPS game of all time.
System Link and split screen 4 players
Dude, Flood is never coming back because it's not family-friendly for Microsoft's generic space game that they got handed the keys to when Bungie left.
Edit, you're also not getting an M rating. See above for why.
@@DigitalApex there was a recent trailer a few months back that had an M rating for some sort of Halo game. I can't recall which one at this point. But yeah Microsoft needs to man tf up and make it a proper rated M title.
@@teukeh This basically, the only 343 weapons I'm willing to accept are sticky detonator and heatwave all the others can get canned
They should not bring back dual wielding for MP it killed the balance for many weapons, PvE is fine. It would be nice if they followed Halo CE’s example where all the weapons felt useful. I hope they don't bring back things like the Spartan Laser or grapple hook for how it hurt vehicles and please no armor lock.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" is how I like to look at things, though "Don't hope for anything and you'll never be disappointed" isn't a bad one.
Its a shame to see the old Blam engine retired, but if the studio is going to keep working as a revolving door of contractors, it's the best thing they can really do right now. Unreal is an amazing, powerful toolset but it still requires a lot of skill and good management to use right. Best of luck to the new team.
The amazing thing about official Halo titles in UE, is that the community will be able to make maps and mods for them using Unreal Editor.
I have literally zero hope at this point ever since Halo 5, and no announcement will change how I feel until I get to play something GOOD
3:45, you know what? considering it's THE Unreal Engine. I wish it can be more than just 'Forge Mode', take a look at Insurgency Sandstorm made in Unreal, yet it opens up a huge modding possibility.
Still wish that they would nurture and improve the Blam engine instead of letting it turn into a spaghetti code yarnball that no one can unwrap.
This is the best move though, the way Microsoft insist on using contractors instead of taking care of employees long term.
It’s not gunna matter because there’s still no one at Microsoft with a vision for the franchise. They’re just going to chase nostalgia and market trends forever.
They were using infinite assets. This shows that if a Halo CE remake is in the works, it isn’t very far along. This we new, but it is still important to keep in mind. This was mostly a render show off, not proof a CE remake will happen. I hope it doesn’t.
I don't get it. It looks like the menu to MCC. 😅
Like cool graphics. I don't think that was the problem though.
@@momsspaghetti4064 The menu to MCC is pre rendered. What you're seeing here is (near enough) exactly how the game would actually look during gameplay.
Or maybe they're using pre-existing assets that look pretty good to streamline production of what really matters: Gameplay and Story. The Infinite assets are a great base for the future of Halo and can likely serve for 2-3 more games while still being visually impressive.
I hope they can nail the feel of Halo. If they can get that down, it could mark the potential resurgence of the Halo name and what it used to represent.
ima be honest it it keeps any of the same employees it’s the same issue
There were several massive layoffs. Infinite went through like 6 directors. Halo Studios is, in practice, a completely new studio.
that’s the thing tho, buy and large it doesn’t. Halo Infinite was the product of the previous leadership and engine. now, we have neither of those. this is a new studio in all ways but some carryovers and a building.
Employees are never the issue. It’s always time and the LEADERSHIP who force the game to be something typically filled with microtransactions.
It’s not, that’s been news for 2 years now.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 at this point for me it’s just i want 343 gone fully i know the employees aren’t at fault but i genuinely have very little positives to say about 343. and while bungie ain’t perfect at the time it was much better
If nothing else, I appreciate your willingness to give context to some of the more nuanced and less immediately obvious parts of this changeover- why Unreal would be a benefit in the current climate of work in the video game industry. I was already somewhat optimistic (they are COOKING with that MkV and M6D) but I didn’t know about the contractor cycle.
Still very skeptical. We need that big mostly universal hit in our controllers.
Seeing flood environments makes me so happy... Not very enthusiastic until I see some change tbh.
If Halo doesn’t steer WELL AWAY from the microtransactions and go back to the good old PLAY TO UNLOCK STUFF, then NO ONE should care about this. Nothing will get better if nobody does anything.
Will. Not. Happen.
You know this.
is... anyone seriously optimistic about thousands of firings and somehow pretending this will make the next game better? are you guys for real?. I know marketing can swing opinions but they ain't even trying, they are just flashing text on the screen saying "EVERYTHING IS GOOD NOW" and you all just repeat "everything is good now".
The teaser said/showed nothing of that sort, just that things are changing. It's basically not 343 anymore (in regards to leadership and devs, not just name), it's fine to be a little optimistic in this case.
I’m at HCS Worlds, the reveal had the crowd woooing, a hopeful future for our beloved franchise??
The BLAM engine needs to at the very least, act as a blueprint/guideline for them when remaking Combat Evolved. That will at least give them the benefit of understanding how to replicate the *feel* of Halo in Unreal.
The folks at sabre interactive seem to have a good level of technical understanding of halos engine. They should have a shot at a proper halo project completely of their own, instead of giving a rebrand to the same studio that ran halo to the ground and switching to unreal
@@giordanogarduno9207much of the staff responsible for the issues Halo had had left the company. I hope some hope for the new management as the head of the studios is the sams guy that led the effort to defuck MCC.
I just hope it still “feels” like halo. I like unreal but I also love how halo feels. It’s one of the most unique feeling games out there due to its weird engine that somehow works.
343 is also a fun little reference to how 343 Guilty Spark betrayed Master Chief in the end. Kidding aside, I really hope that the next Halo game won’t disappoint.
“The game has to be fun before it’s pretty.”
Bro, I relate so much to what you said about finding the silverware in other peoples houses. I can't even find it at my grandmothers house anymore, people just keeps moving it around or maybe hiding it nowadays. Like come on if I'm eating at your place as a friend/family, then I wanna use the silver and not the cheap Ikea stuff!
It's gonna be weird to say 'Halo Studios' and not '343'. I hope it's a change I will enjoy.
Edit: Bruh y'all are missing my point, I'm trynna say it's gonna be weird saying Halo Studios and not 343.
Edit 2: Oh for fuck's sake, READ MY COMMENT BEFORE REPLYING. I'm saying that saying the name 'Halo Studios' is going to feel weird, unlike '343'. So stop telling me it's just a re-name of the company, I'M AWARE. Don't make me make an Edit 3...
guess what? Edit 3:
Bruh
Not at all, 343 always brought a bad taste to my mouth.
@@slothman9731 Yeah but it's become instinctual to criticize 343, the new name is gonna take getting used to.
@@slothman9731343 making 2 bad games isn’t ruining halo. Stop always crying. Grow up. Btw 343 is still doing halo. It was just a name change
@@GH0STCCC-vu5rz You say that like they're entirely separate companies lol
@@DigitalApex No I'm saying the name change is gonna be weird to get used to. So used to criticizing 343.
Here is the answer to the question “yah but will it feel like halo?”
Yes. UE5 is extremely flexible. If anything, it will feel more halo than halo ever did because of what this engine can do.
Here's a weird idea; why not just have in house permenent members of your studio? 🎉
I'm glad that they're moving to UE5. The Blam! engine that was used for the Halo games and what was used for Infinite's Slipspace engine is pretty outdated and, more importantly, was made with Bungie in mind, making it really hard for anyone else to use. With that said, however, I really hope that Microsoft stops their practice of cycling contractors with 18-month-cycles because using a standardized game engine likely won't solve that issue. I don't think it will happen, but here's hoping.
I do hope the best for Halo Studios but I can't say I expect much.
is halo....back?
I ask this question constantly 😭😭
Last time that question was asked we got Halo Infinite season 1 and 2 💀
@@Cardboard_Cut😂
Halo was never gone
No
While it doesn’t undo the mistakes they’ve made as 343, it’s great they finally changed to a different company title that doesn’t have a bad rep.
What Halo Studios presented to us looked great, and I’m cautiously optimistic about how they’ll reinvigorate the recipe for Halo going forward.
I been saying this might needed to have happened because 343 name brings up negative connotations, they needed to rebrand.
No doubt when discussion of them remake Halo 1 came up, higher ups thought it was the perfect time to rebrand.
A rose, by any other name, is still a rose. They can change their name to whatever they want, but until there's a sea change at MS Game Studios and a CULTURAL shift, this means literally nothing
Mtx will still be around as long as people keep insisting on the "linear bad" crap, because the pedochimp of "gOkU" can't stand people finally admitting "cRoNo" triger's mediocrity.
How else will big corporations have such a great excuse for mtx as "oPeN wUrLdZ"?
If you really think about it 343 chose the perfect name for their studio because they basically acted exactly like the character their name comes from
I love Halo! I really hope for a movie in theaters!
They need to replicate the physics.
Infinite showed us you can't call it a true Halo if your physics engine is weaksauce.
I feel like the sonic point initially makes sense till u realize nobody says or talks bout sonic team. When ppl talk bout sonic they say SEGA
This would be a lot less exciting if Bonnie Ross was still in charge. A rebrand means very little, but I actually think in this case, Pierre Hintze's Halo Studios will be very diffident. Pierre has a great track record.
Background music rules, excellent taste LNG 👌
The best
Remember when game engines weren't part of marketing campaigns?
I get more hyped about being shown a game that seems like a good one rather than being told "It runs on that extremely popular engine".
The rebrand is also nothing much to get excited about, imo. It's only a name. The same people remain, the same changes they have done before the rebrand aren't due to that said rebrand... And the 18 months contractor thing still being there makes me more worried about the future of this studio and the Halo franchise. We've seen it happen with Forza Motorsport 2023 which relied heavily on contractors and it ended up being a terrible game.
Engines have been part of marketing since games were a thing.
Hell, doom 3’s whole marketing pitch was the Id Tech engine and how powerful it was
Yet Halo studios still retains all of the executive staff that 343 had.
Do not believe the lies.
I cant be hurt again. I cant afford to hope even though i want to
Unreal 5 pretty much kills:
* Forge Modes (They'll have to make a game with a side game of making games, where in Blam engine it was right there)
* Replays (The data replays that you can use in Unreal 5 will be hard to make, precise retelling of evenst and physics might result in problems in the replays such as 5 gb replays size).
* File Share (cant see it happenign with some funny RCE bug that the Unreal team will need to patch, not Halo Studios team will be able to).
BUT, i'm still hopefull even after that because...
That means if the Halo studios can put out some Halo games on Unreal while properly hiring engineers to fix and upgrade Blam engine, then we gaming! Like, Main halo games on Blam with huge upgrades, sping off's, side stories games (how about an Elite fps perspective game after Halo 4 and 5 ?), maybe we'll get a halo wars 3...
Why should they fix/upgrade Blam engine? That's so unnecessary.
Plus, Fortnite, a UE5 game, has a working "forge" in it.
Is the music in this a remix of the original sonic adventure 2 track? The percussion sounds kind of new to me? Or maybe I just haven't heard it in a while?
I'm pretty sure this is just the original track? Could be mistaken though
Honestly I think a rebrand for this new era is a smart move. Especially after the 2023 layoffs, the team currently at the helm is not the same people who brought us Halo 4 / 5. The new team deserves their fair chance and shouldn't be stuck with the radioactive baggage that the name "343" forever carries.
There isn't a team. It's just contractors and management. Honestly at this point I'm about as close to giving up on Halo as I've ever been.
If they were willing to employ permanent employees, they could have retained Slipspace, and better yet, they could have retained the talent needed to make Halo Infinite a success.
But after all this, if the best option management can see is to abandon the Halo game engine and continue cycling contractors? No, I don't see things ever improving for Halo at this rate.
This new studio with a CE remaster thing is giving me 2011 vibes, never thought this could happen again.
How can a company like Microsoft justify not having full teams that are in house that are fully funded to make the games that they are trying to push now that they've given up on the console?
shoutouts to u for getting the sonic adventure 2 soundtrack in here boss
Having a personal engine to fit the game's vision and needs was one thing that the older Halo games unique, especially with their physics. They can't do this anymore because they aren't a consistent development team, always outsourcing and contracting.
It's probably for the better, even though it's a little disapointing
It's almost prophetic how 343i was named after that damn lightbulb who betrayed us over and over, before being reborn anew
Doubt started immediately when they said that halo at its beginning was a graphic showcase, like what? Halo was pretty much everything from grpahics, gameplay, artstyle, music and was one of the rare fps for console. AND it literally created xbox by being the greatest game of the year.
my biggest fear is that the game won't feel as 'Halo' anymore. That floaty jump is what defined the feel for me
It is crazy that 343 Industries and Xbox Live Gold is dead around the same time due to rebranding. As we all know everything that isn’t Microsoft Office isn’t going to get any real effort put into it.
I feel like we are getting to a point where every single AAA developer is basically all working in one monopolized engine. I’m just glad that whatever engine it is it won’t be Unity because everyone who touches that gets screwed over.
Well one way it could get some attention is halo became a part of the windows licence activation service, then it would get lots of care from ms and it will fill so good your pc with spyware with love from ms
Well, everything I typed was just a bad joke but yeah Windows 10/11s Xbox desktop app has been awesome. That being said: Games for Windows Live was a mistake.
20 Years has passed and every company still pretends that nobody will own *All of PC Gaming* one day although Valve pretends, they already have. I love Steam but launchers will simply be the thing of the past as DRM will be pre-programmed each game we own directly from the publisher.
With managment changes and technical debt issues gone, this could be a start of a new era for halo but we've been here before. Its really difficult to care for a series that has had 12 years of blunders.
There will be a massive influx of mods. It's also an opportunity for getting experienced UE users.
Think about this.
There's people who have played Halo that are proficient in UE. They are best suited for this.
They know Chief and Cortana. (I'm still put off by how Cortana was written after Halo 3/Reach).
It's another chance to have a Helldivers Halo. The one that was rejected years ago. Play an ODST or Marine in the franchise and fight The Banished, Covenant, Flood or Forerunners. Or play any of the other races within other factions.
Choose based on faction to race or race to faction.
I think this would be great to do.
But in the meantime you can play and mod Operation Harsh Doorstop.
"so what are we, some kind of Halo Studios?"
Havok engine is already working on UE5 and was shown off about 5 months ago. The one thing I can guess is they are using those tools on the future game to keep the feel more in line with Bungie era.
Let's hope this turns out good. Fingers crossed, boys. 🤞
Actions speak louder than words. I'll wait and see if this new studio is the change we needed, or just a rebranding to try and decieve us into thinking they've changed, when they haven't.
They had over a decade to make a good Halo game. Over a decade. And they still didn't deliver. This new studio damn well had better do good by us gamers, else I'm just never buying Halo again, I'll stick to MCC.
It's not just an Xbox studios thing. AAA game development is massively dependant on contractors. Thousands of contractors also worked on GoW Ragnarok and Cyberpunk 2077 each.
I would like to hear more from devs talking why Unreal when Cry Engine also exists
i very much lack faith in this studio, a lot of people from 343 have stayed from what i'm seeing and the first thing they do is show off the artstyle, 343 got the artstyle right in infinite, we have no idea what they have in mind for story, for gameplay and it seems like the first thing they're giving us is another Halo C3 remaster, i'm hopping they bring up something actually new to modernize CE not just to make it look pretty, forge, firefight, etc. Expanding upon the first two games to make them on par with Halo 3 in terms of modernization & replayability would be a good start.
another big feature to note with unreal engine is that xbox game studios as a whole are considered one of the leading supporters of unreal. Mainly with the coalition having insane knowledge about the engine. Perfect dark using UE5 as well. So as well as contractors being able to do their jobs better, they would have better in house support as well.
One thing i am worried about is forge mode however, though they may take UEFN approach with it
343 did fine with the blam engine (Bungie engine), Halo 5 is a great example they put out an insane amount of post launch content after release and the gameplay of Halo 5 tho controversial to some was very fluid, modern and fast. It was the new engine 343 made, Slipspace that really screwed everything up and is why to this day 3 years later the only substantial amount of post launch content we've gotten outside of maps is 1 single weapon. I don't think there can really be any argument about Slipspace not being a new engine now, clearly it was and clearly it screwed Infinite.
Slipspace was the blam engine
I heard from DF that CD Projekt Red is struggling to eliminate Unreal Engine stutters. Through their research, they discovered that these stutters stem from Unreal Engine being a general-purpose engine, bloated with code and functionalities designed to cater to developers across various fields. Say what you will about CDPR, but the engine they built for Cyberpunk is impressive, running that dense open world without noticeable stutter. They achieved this because they developed a set of tools laser-focused on accomplishing a single goal.
Remember folks, over 70% of the people who worked on Halo Infinite were fired, this is an entirely new group of people, new leadership, new organization, on a new engine
Apparently LNH never heard the word "forest" in his entire life lol.
In all seriousness I hope the best for the studio. Hopefully they do things such as a kick ass Halo CE remake that is faithful to Bungie's intentions and hopefully retcon the Forerunners retcon and make the Halostory subreddit mald.
So instead of doing something about the baffling management situation of having all of your employees essentially walking through a revolving door, usually right about the time they could really get settled with the studio/ engine, they're just abandoning the engine that's been used for Halo up to this point/ a core piece of Halo's identity and remnant of Bungie to move over to generic engine that pretty much every game uses?
Stoked to hear it, I'm sure Halo is on the up and up from here
The republic has been reorganized into the first galactic empire
Isn’t funny how they named themselves after Guilty Spark even though he betrayed Chief twice? It’s almost poetic.
I think I've learned my lesson about being over-optimistic with halo these past few years, but I am genuinely excited to see if 343 (or Halo Studios) are finally truly trying to clean up their act. I really hope that all of this marks a new start to our beloved franchise.