Vancouver Housing Might Actually Become Affordable Now?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Vancouver is known for its pretty good transit system, but also its sky high housing costs that's driven many out of the city. But with this new provincial housing policy, Vancouver's transit system might just be able to fix that.
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When I saw the news I couldn't believe it. Finally getting some common sense zoning policy. I am so psyched for what kind of changes this will create. I hope we get some more mixed use along with this, even though that's not specifically called for in the legislation. More inexpensive, small commercial units within neighbourhoods would be great for everyone.
Great video, thanks for making it!
Thanks so much, hopefully it means that existing businesses in TOD hubs do well and that leads to a push for more!
The fact that mixed use was specifically not included greatly limits my excitement for this. Vancouver needs more retail at grade along these transit arterials and this does nothing to promote that. We're just going to have more luxury apartments like the ones south of king ed on ca,bud that are technically close to transit, but will continue to be car oriented because there are few businesses or services to walk to nearby
@@mattfromyvr I think additional density from the other bill eliminating single family zoning will also work to create enough middle density housing to increase commercial demand. Planners should take this opportunity to get ahead of it. Cities have the option to do things in addition to what they're being mandated to do here and I think adding mixed use would be easily excused - can just say "hey, our hands are tied on the density, these people need places to shop for essentials"
@@DevynCairns Vancouver's multiplex change had fees and requirements added specifically to curtail uptake - staff estimated 200 developments per year - so I'm not too hopeful on that one in particular, though they could potentially relax FSR requirements in the future that would make 6 unit strata or 8 units rental actually viable (possibly linked to utility capacity for the neighbourhood). AFAIK, the provincial version (small-scale multi unit) is more lenient, but it doesn't apply to Vancouver and other cities that already had similar policies.
The TOD zoning is actually a big deal, because of how it will affect places like the Cambie Corridor and Broadway through the westside, where it's hard enough to get 6 stories built on an arterial or even just townhomes anywhere nearby.
Vancouver is also working on neighbourhood commercial and 4-6 story multiuse, which is now superceded by the BC policy for a lot of area, but will be good beyond the 800 meter zones.
@@eugenetswong Too bad they didn't listen to you back then! Thank you for trying though.
So many American cities need to do this! Most American cities are kind of a low-density, sprawling lost cause. LA will never look like NY. But...places like LA could have "transit islands" of efficient land use and high density around key transit stations and these "islands" could really help revitalize cities. Cities should ALWAYS zone for density, walkability, and efficient land use around train stations.
LA could have great transit service even with its existing density, more would be amazing though
The US needs to allow for more high rises, we've gotten better at mid rise construction and some places like Seattle even got rid of multiple staircase requirements that allow for smaller footprint multifamilies.
Canada like needs proportionally more 5+1s and the US needs proportionally less of them lol. I feel like high rises aren't as stigmitized in Canada as they are in the US too.
@@neilworms2 Absolutely. In most areas of most American cities, simply building tall is outlawed, or excessively regulated (sightlines, offsets, parking mins, firecodes, nimbys, lawsuits, etc...)
LA ironically had the largest streetcar system in the world at one point. If it successfully served agricultural town centers then, it should handle the sea of bungalows that make it up now.
@@doujinfliptbf it was more of a commuter rail system that was really slow than anything else
6:53 Don't forget about the West Coast Express. That thing is amazing
This is SO needed right now, Hell, it was needed a decade ago. A sane and forward-thinking plan that will help address everything from the QOL to productivity in Vancouver.
I can't wait to see a new Metro Vancouver take shape.
many thousands of condo units and higher density have been built everywhere skytrain is for decades and prices are higher than ever
why would a leg to UBC make any difference
those condos are going to be the most expensive we've ever seen
@yankfish Thousands of units have been built, but clearly it isn't enough, and a lot of the developments in the last decade cater to short term investment rather than long term housing.
As Reece mentioned, the 'tall and sprawl' style of density that you see in Burnaby, Coquitlam and Surrey is a result of poor zoning policies that protect SFHs in high value land areas. The land that these homes sit on has become prohibitively expensive for the type of housing that currently occupies it. This new legislation will allow for more "gentle density further from skytrain stations. That means it won't just be highrise towers next to SFHs, but low and midrise apartments and condos as well. This will add thousands of more units for a lower construction cost.
And while we have a lot of stations with condo towers around them, we have just as many that don't. Commercial Broadway Station, the most convenient and easily accessible station in the entire region (with direct access to six different municipalities) remains practically unchanged since the 1980s. C/B Station should have thousand of homes built around it by now, but due to local opposition, the surrounding area is stagnant and run down - while houses a few blocks away reach 2.5-3 million dollars. This area should be Vancouver's Midtown.
Metro Vancouver's insane housing prices are a direct result of bad policy ie. outdated zoning laws and weak politics that cater to local NIMBYS/BANANAS that protest absolutely anything proposed in their backyards. Pragmatism towards housing hasn't been in thing in the Lower Mainland for decades. Luckily, good sense and sound policy is making a comeback.
I'll say it again, nothing is going to change or at least wasting more billions so mostly foreign students save 10 minutes to the ubc commute won't lower housing costs
if it didn't in burnaby, surrey, new west, south and east van, Coquitlam with the other trains why would this one
it goes through near the very top of land cost in the country, how will developers be able to buy large plots of land where so little is undeveloped
they will have to buy 6, 10 or more contiguous houses to build anything at the cost of 10s of millions to build a low rise?
what do you think those apartments are going to cost? millions!
no development at commercial and Broadway?
what makes you think the same NIMBYism won't happen in kits.
building skytrains to lower housing cost when it always does the opposite seems like the definition of insanity or in the case of those who praise this video; stupidity.
Before i moved here i wasn’t used to suburbs, but now i have to be around them all the time 😭 they take forever to walk through if their big, and honestly their kinda eerie, no landmarks, all the houses are similar, and only cars driving, no pedestrians. Honestly terrible
Now we just need more rapid buses to connect suburbs to skytrain stations. Can't transit to downtown Vancouver when it takes 1hour 30 minutes from South Surrey to bus to Richmond skytrain. Unless you live on King George Blvd
I wouldnt hold your breath. They havent even started construction for skytrain to Langley yet.
This is really great! Finally some smart moves for housing in Vancouver and region. As few hopeful wishes:
1. SkyTrain above ground whenever possible. This will make riding so much more enjoyable and is part of what put Vancouver on the international map as a beautiful city in the first place.
2. More 24hr and apartment building parking. The average family in Vancouver wants a car, having more 24h parking available will make it more possible for people to leave their car at home and take the train or a bicycle to work, also reducing congestion. Way better for the environment!
3. Put more secure bike rooms at SkyTrain stations. This will make it much easier for people to bike from their home to the train station and take train into work. At least for people who work downtown or by train stations.
Follow-up: just watched to the very end and saw the part about reduced parking requirements. It might seem counterintuitive, but this is very misleading, a misjudgement and will cause more congestion in the city. They should fix this by increasing mandatory parking not decreasing it. They folks who are making this change mean well, but are forming opinions based on popular belief rather than based on deep reflection and analysis.
It helps. That no snow in the lower mainland
6:52 *cries in ceased operations of Vancouver Island RDC trains*
Toronto really needs this
Very interesting! I live in Coquitlam, eastern side of Burnaby. It is true, my apartment is just one of so many around the sky train that is walking distance from here. Unfortunately I have to drive because I work in north Vancouver, fortunately I drive an electric car so the cost is lower.
So long as corporations can buy massive amounts of land, and forcing people to rent, rent and housing will always be unaffordable.
Videos like this make me want to live in Canada more…. Darn it Reece
i have taking transit. There are tons of undesirable people on it.
Still wanting the Canada Line to be extended to the Peace Arch and Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal...
The problem with the light rail system in Calgary is they’ve tied success of the system to the homeless problem. In a nut shell they say you can’t solve safety issues on the LRT until you have solved homelessness . In Vancouver they have separated the two issues, quick and safe transit for all, and homelessness. Rode the Skytrain a few weeks ago, it was a pleasure because you didn’t have to deal with misbehaving hobos. In Calgary, every day I ride the LRT I need to watch who’s getting on at each station so I can change cars if needed.!
Don't forget the West Coast Express! I think there should also be denser development around the WCE stations to support all-day service throughout the week :D
Problem with the WCE is that CP Rail owns the tracks and has its own priority for freight traffic. The WCE needs to have its own independent tracks before it can really take off.
Interesting ideas but many people find the fares to be very expensive compared to taking a car. What about a family of 5? Are they really all going to take transit together opposed to getting into an SUV? You have 3 kids one of them may be a very small child with needs and two adults. So, building affordable housing without parking is very odd, it is kind of assuming that people and the future will be childless, how do you fit strollers on buses? And wheelchairs? Sometimes it's the mechanics of how the bus works, how many strollers fit on a bus and with that many more people and namely, young families, are they really going to be attracted to "condo centres"? If you've ever been on a bus you see how many young mothers have to wait and wait for several buses as only so many strollers and wheelchairs fit at the front of the bus. With skytrain and all of those people rushing, coming and going, are they going to "make time" for that mother and her stroller to fit? In theory all of this sounds very positive but there is the reality of actually making that work. Changing the zoning and allowing for higher density building... is that going to be affordable? Already all apartments located near or around a skytrain are phenomenally expensive. Vancouver has now surpassed what the majority of renters can pay. 1 bedrooms for $ 2200? or $ 2500? 2 bedrooms for $ 3300? Have all these landlords lost their minds? Even 2 people can't afford $ 2500 in a tiny 2 bedroom or 1 bedroom and den. With more inventory and costs of building, are owners really going to start reducing rents at a time when mortgage rates are high and several points difference results in the burden thrown onto renters? Combined my roommate and I bring in $ 95 000 gross per year. We simply can't afford to live even on the outlying areas anymore. We look at rents elsewhere in Canada and are strongly considering leaving BC as our jobs are transferable. Should we continue to pay 65% of our take home pay to landlords in this province? How will it be any different when these trains are built in so many years. Wouldn't it cost MORE to live near them? Won't landlords increase rents to the point that NO ONE who is even earning high income can afford to rent. Sure, it all sounds fine and dandy. But the logistics need work.
I wouldn't count on it transforming housing costs, but if there are more transit-oriented and walkable neighborhoods that's a win in my book regardless
Now are we talking like actually affordable affordable or are we talking half a million dollars/rich affordable?
How can you physically extend the Canada Line to 3 or 4 trains? The platforms are designed for only 2. They should have built platforms for 4 trains and block off the unused areas for future extensions.
Sorry, Skytrain system has the worst signage of all the public transits I have seen in the world, I have travelled extensively in North America, Europe and Asia. Another element missing in the transit system is art works. Montreal's Metro definitely put Skytrain to shame. However, it is efficient and quaint.
correction.. lougheed northroad is going to have highest tower @ 82 floors + 14 parking floors == 96 floors overall
São Paulo approved a very similar project this year, but instead of 800m circle it was 1km.
The city is already very vertical, but we have NIMBYs is some central neighborhoods that makes impossible to build on certain places nearby transit.
So we have the paradox of being a vertical and sprawling city at the same time.
São Paulo can be vertical and sprawling though because it’s massive!
@@RMTransit yes, it true. but there are plenty of areas in the center of the city that could and should be more vertical: the old Centro (especially for low income residents), Jardins, Bela Vista, Pinheiros.
But it’s great to see North American cities moving past NIMBYs in Vancouver and San Francisco. Hope that becomes a trend.
Yes, Vancouver is limited on 3 sides, so it grows upwards. The ocean to the west, the mountains to the north, the US border to the south, and farmland to the east... And we don't want to get rid of the farmland. So, smart zoning policy is the only one. You should do a video on Sam Sullivan's work as the ex-mayor of Vancouver, and his channel now called Kumtuks.@@RMTransit
This is fantastic news for Vancouver. As for Mississauga where I live, we are building for density with numerous condo developments including M City, but little to no rapid transit adequately serving these dense areas. M City is along Burhamthorpe which is already busy with traffic and a bus route that offers a 20 minute frequency utilizing a non articulated bus and the Square One bus terminal is 20 minute walk from this location. Transit definitely has to keep pace with growing density and cities need to have some kind of policy to encourage this.
The gap between development and transit service in Mississauga is really shocking. The LRT should have been something higher order.
Mayor Hazel realized it was rather late for her to make public transit a priority. Now Mississauga is paying for it. Hopefully the Sauga LRT and proposed Dundas BRT will be the beginning of more to come.
I also think the problem is that everything in Sauga is centered around square 1. So it makes expanding transit harder. Especially if you live outside their "core". The LRT will be better but they need to figure out when they'll install bike lanes and make their roads more ppl friendly. Because right now it looks like a mini highway on their main streets.
I live and work near M City and it's really hard to be optimistic here. I often tell people Mississauga is a bunch of cool ass sky scrapers and absolutely nothing at street level.
Hey I have family there yatemens ..
BC is to be congratulated on this new legislation! We need similar legislation in Britain, coupled with legislation to encourage freehold ownership of apartments. (Currently that is almost impossible in England and Wales.) And to create the bus hubs around which we build the apartment blocks, we need to reregulate bus services, bringing them under public control.
The bus services in Britain are really lacking, but it at least seems that that’s changing in places like Manchester
That and re-nationalise passenger rail.
Yeah the housing price in London is more expensive than in Vancouver
@@RMTransitHaving a Labour council helps
Crash land values
Vancouver’s affordability is not just supply driven, it’s largely because of investors. Just like every other housing bubble - cheap debt and soulless parasitic investors.
Incorrect. It’s because of the governments restrictive housing policy and insane densification taxation.
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Ok, genius
Also investors and developers who GETALLL OF THR KICKBACKS AND BENEFITS of the policies and the regular people get little to nothing
You are absolutely right! The investors are the bigger problem. We have enough supply to house everyone. So far more housing has just meant more people can live in the lower mainland and barely make it by because their rent is insane
Interesting to hear that Translink will be developing some of the surrounding land into housing themselves.
Japanese private rail companies have seen a lot of success by developing land around their lines and making them into destinations.
They’ve already begun a few projects! Very exciting stuff!
That's what Brightline is doing in Florida.
MTR in Hong Kong does that too and IIRC they make so much money off that they make a healthy profit while keeping fares low.
I wish GO Transit would do the same with all their parking lots, they could easily fund the operations. That's how all those old railroad companies in the 1800s made their money.
First one isn't too far off from me. 32 story building on the SE corner of Broadway and Arbutus with built-in station access. Actually kind of excited for what is coming in the next decade!
Very positive news for Vancouver! Cities should look at Edmonton’s example too with their new zoning laws that allow density *everywhere*
I'm becoming less caught off guard by comments like this, but it's absolutely true. Edmonton has really been leading the way on this.
Agreed. I just wish it could successfully complete ONE of the TOD's it has started.... Century Park, Ford Road, etc. Now we've got Strathern, Holyrood, Bonnie Doon, Davies and Mill Woods to the mix...
@@stickynorthCentury Park is neat, but it’s a bit underwhelming at the moment.
Honestly, what I really want to see is South Edmonton Common razed to the ground.
@@James-vj5hz To quote a Reddit comment I saw, “Maybe the future of urbanism is in depressed petrochemical hubs.”
But yeah, Edmonton has been doing a lot lately. It’s setting the path on how to recover from suburbia.
This is apparently how Tokyo solved their housing crisis, back in 1958 I recall.
Good to see that a city known for its Prairie sprawl is going in this direction!
I live on the other side of the continent from Vancouver, but this new policy is awesome. Though where I’m from in Maine, housing prices are low (at least by U.S standards), I think this policy would be good for Maine (really anywhere in the U.S) because it will build up to the density and population to amounts suitable for more transit besides good to mediocre bus networks in the largest cities in Maine
For sure, it helps create land use that will always be better for transit
The Skytrain zones are significant for Vancouver, but for the rest of the province allowing a minimum of 6 units per lot along frequent transit routes and 12/8 stories around bus exchanges is also a big deal for their transit networks.
My hometown isn't that bad for allowing new development, but it's still irritatingly car-centric, so I'm hopeful this will help its transit network be more useful for more people (and I can dream of it getting some BRT routes 🤤)
As a Victorian, I'm certainly hoping this does what it is supposed to. It also means I'm all the more annoyed at our lack of any form of RT. Victoria proper (as opposed to the many other municipalities in greater Victoria) did pass what was supposed to be a Missing Middle bylaw that raised the minimum density across the city, but it had a bunch of caveats that allow NIMBYs to block any attempt to use it as long as they complain enough, so it's effectively worthless. I really hope this new law doesn't fail the same way.
it will fail and even with a small amount of extra density, the Broadway to ubc corridor is one of the expensive in the world
so to recap: we're going to spend close to 10 billion to build a train so a few students can shave a few minutes off the commute for a few days out of the year and housing will not be any more affordable for 99% of the population
@@yankfish Based on? There's already plans for a massive redevelopment of the Jerico lands around the UBC extension, the cost for the first half is expected to be around 2.8 billion so even if the second half is way more expensive you're not going to get to 10 billion and there's nothing 'few' about the number of students going to UBC, nevermind that there are plenty of non-students that will use this to get to the Broadway corridor.
@@yankfishWell... the Liberal decided to spend over 180 billion in infrastructure and 20 buses in Halifax a few years ago. So your 10 billion is a pretty small number.
Just incase you don't believe me.
@@AmurTiger based on the 10s of billions we've already spent on skytrains while the cost of housing has skyrocketed especially since 1986 (flat before then) which was coincidentally the inauguration of the expo line
if you think that anyone except the very rich will afford those ultra luxury condos in Jericho then you're not thinking right
and no, there isn't a huge demand of non-students going to ubc day-to-day and it's a ghost town during the summer and holidays
I hope your optimism manifests into reality. I'll need to plan some visits to check out the transit and progress. Didn't know the extent of the transit up there was this nice, so at least worth a visit or two.
I'm currently a resident of Vancouver but I'm heading back to Seattle soon so I have a pretty interesting viewpoint being able to see both of the PNW (and N-America in general) major transit oriented cities and their development.
Currently the system in Vancouver is pretty good, however the main issues I've found (and many others share) is the lack of transit & congestion going to North Van, as well as UBC.
For North Van, you have essentially 1/3rd of the city that relies on 2 main bridges with no real alternative (Yes (I know the Sea-Bus exists but it doesn't have great capacity, and requires a connection stop before and after using it). The city desperately needs a sky-train that links downtown to park royal and one that links Burnaby with Capilano. The current system is plainly speaking, atrocious, busses are caught in the congestion on the 3-lane lions gate bridge (yes 3 lanes total, not for each direction, its a really dumb design), and going around to the Iron-Workers takes forever requiring 2 bus-transfers and isn't really close to many major destinations. Unfortunately the prospect of getting a sky-train bridge, or later a sky-train link across West & North van is quite unlikely for the next decade or two as the current local government has stifled any progress on those fronts. I've worked with some of the companies that contract with the provincial BC government for rail & transit construction and they're pretty under-funded and the current ABC Vancouver political group is vehemently against increased spending on transit programs.
For the 2nd major problem from my experience, transit connections to UBC are pretty terrible when accounting for the actual demand. On any given weekday from 11am-8pm almost every single 99, 84, 44 and R4 will be jam packed from UBC to their terminus stations. The R4 is especially bad as it passes through a ton of semi-dense developments with almost no transit alternatives for east-west travel. South Dunbar, Kerrisdale, Oakridge all pretty much have to use the R4 to go east-west, with no real alternative, and Joyce-Collingwood & Metrotown also connect decently close to the R4 meaning there is insane demand for the route, that really just isn't provided by the bus. A bus that comes every 8 minutes and has a capacity of maybe 100 people just isnt enough for the demand, and its only going to get more exasperated with the massive development in Oakridge with almost a dozen 30-40 story high rise buildings going up in the are over the course of the next 5 years. The R4 needs to become a sky-train line however with the trend of NIMBY's in Dunbar/West-Point-Grey shutting down any construction plans, it will likely have to be a tunneled line which would increase construction & development time by about a decade. Even if a proposal was voted in today an elevated line would likely take 10-15 years to build, with an underground line taking 20-25 when considering engineering, station construction as well as just the immense cost and labor of tunneling.
In addition to this the Millennium line extension only going to Arbutus is an absolutely asinine decision, once again because of NIMBY politicians and wealthy residents of West-Point-Grey who are opposed to development in their neighborhoods. While the millennium line extension is nice, especially with it connecting to the Canada line at Broadway-City Hall, it stops short of one of the most transit-demanding areas of Vancouver in UBC. It would be nice for me as I'm just about 1km out from the Arbutus station, but for anyone commuting to UBC it won't make a big difference as they're still going to be hopping on to the 99, just a decent bit closer to campus then they would before.
I really hope that the zoning changes will add increased pressure to construct new sky-train lines here in Vancouver, but with how much the population of the city is growing year in and year out the current plans don't really even keep up with the increasing demand, let alone increase the quality and scope of the transit system. Vancouver is in an awkward spot in my experience, it's ahead of most of North America, but unlike many others its transit system will look mostly the same in 10-15 years while cities like Seattle have committed to continued development and will be expanding their network in scale and quality in a major way through 2040. The potential UBC extension of the millennium like would likely only open in 2032-36 and any North Van SkyTrain bridge or R4 Skytrain conversion would happen by 2045.
I am 100% with you. I live in North Vancouver. I studied at UBC for years while living there and now I work in West Point Grey. I spend three hours each day in transit because of this terrible planning. TransLink actually contacted me to be part of a study looking at people's use of their services. I hope it does something. The seabus is not frequent enough. We need an actual SkyTrain station. I know that UBC offered to pay TransLink to get the new station all the way to them. So I think it will get there. It will just take a long time. I saw that the old pie restaurant on the Alma stop of the 99 had moved. I kind of wondered if TransLink had bought the huge building. It would make a good place for a station.
@@Lily-ni5po AFAIK the Millenium line extension to UBC is in developmental limbo. Practically it really isn't that big of an issue, the soil composition is relatively similar to the areas already being worked on, routing and construction are all quite manageable.
The real issue for getting the UBC extension done is just political pressure from rich NIMBY's in West Point Grey. Basically the Ken Sim political group is heavily favored by the super wealthy west-point-grey neighborhoods and so through their action and just resistance in townhalls & development phases any attempts to fund the extension have been voted down in the council even before being put to a general public election.
The main issues are "construction noise from tunneling" and "disruption to current commerce" from station building. Really its just because having stations around McDonald, Alma and Blanca would increase pressure for re-zoning & added density which they want squarely out of their backyard.
The likely cost of a UBC extension would probably be in the range of 2-2.5Bn CAD, with 50% from the federal government and 50% from the provincial government. Stations would likely be as follows: McDonald & Broadway (Occupying what currently is the Safeway Parking-Lot & RBC branch. Broadway/10th & Alma (there are 2 open lots currently occupied by community gardens). Either a Jerico-Lands station on 8th & Discovery, a station on 10th and Sasmat on the current lot (former safeway) or further along at 9th & Blanca where the current Small bus Loop is. The Terminus station would be on University & Wesbrook (Currently the lot occupied by the former ministry building).
The major issue with expanding the transit system in Vancouver is that the government wants it to be done in micro-instalments ie: the Broadway extension (2.8Bn for 6 Stations 5.7km distance mostly tunneled), the evergreen extension (1.45Bn for 6 stations, 10.9km elevated). Both of these extension plans have taken longer to do separately than the entire initial construction of the Millennium Line and in addition they have been much more costly per-km.
Any proposed south UBC-Metrotown connection line will likely be a majority underground (as with the current Broadway extension) which would make the potential 21Km 14 stop project cost an appalling 12Bn (compared to a much more manageable 5-6bn using an elevated rail line and similar station design to Renfrew, Gilmore & Brentwood)
I don't care how affordable Vancouver housing becomes, unless they clean up their homeless and drug addict mess across the city. Lol.
Won't even matter. At the rate Vancouver develops anything we'll be too old to really care. We'll have been lifelong renters or paying off mortgages. And yes, there's too much immigration for the current infrastructure.
Vancouver is like the only North American city that "gets it"
It may not be the best city in North America right now (still NYC), but it could be vying for that spot in ~10 years.
Vancouver finally becoming affordable again just feels like a dream lol
Yes, you are dreaming. It will never be affordable. If you think this changes anything you are in la la land. Unless the government builds and provides housing, there is no such thing as affordable housing. It's expensive to build. The land is expensive. The end result, all that new density, is new expensive condos.
I wouldn’t count on anything becoming “affordable”
@@Canucker4Life developers should be forced to build a certain number of rental units for every building, and there needs to be rent control. the fact that rent is tied to the tenant and not the property just incentivizes landlords to evict, driving rent up indefinitely.
landlords should also have to be licensed just like any other small business. if you get caught breaking the residential tenancy act, you should get your license revoked.
@@jugbrewer1. Rent control makes housing less affordable, not more.
2. Developers are already incentivized to build rental real estate because of a tax break. They still have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per rental unit built though.
@@benchoflemons398 how does rent control make housing less affordable? Is there a source for that?
Im all for more RMHousing. Loved the video
Awesome! Thank you!
I don't think this will make it affordable. Vancouver will most likely be expensive forever for housing.
What's great is that the policy also applies across the province. I know more than a few bus exchanges in Kelowna that could use some TOD...
And perhaps a few more places that could use a bus exchanges 😉
Bravo, another well researched and presented video.. reminding me why I support you monthly. Doesn't hurt I'm also from Vancouver and am terrifically proud of our transit culture here for a smaller city in the global context
Much appreciated! The city is doing a lot of very exciting stuff!
This is good to see, although I worry that this could give NIMBY's a new angle to attack transit expansion. I could see in the future that a new transit line would get pushback from local NIMBY's not because they don't want to see the line built, but because they don't want the new zoning regulations to be expanded to their neighborhood. I still think this change is a good thing, but advocates should probably prepare to counter this stance.
So true :/
I think with how much of Vancouver is actually covered by the Skytrain zones, the other policy that enabled higher density on frequent transit routes for the rest of BC (sadly not applicable to Vancouver), and removing public hearings for development that is inline with community plans, there will be a lot of development possible over the next few years that NIMBYs will make noise about the larger projects, but they can't really do much to stall or stop them.
Hopefully by then others will experience the benefit of nearby density and services, and there will be less need to build as much / as big, so that NIMBYs get much less purchase over fear mongering about gradual density increases.
(I've seen a bunch of people claiming that the new law will force land to be developed to 8/12/20 stories in these areas, which is not how it works. It will be a long while before any of them have a majority of the zoned land redeveloped, and we'll probably see a lot of shorter buildings developed in the outer areas since a 5+1 is much cheaper and faster to build than 8 story concrete)
I agree. This video literally described everything hated and constantly attacked by the evil NIMBY suburbanite John Phillips of 790 KABC.
I see, so NIMBY is just a childish label that you hang on anyone who doesn't want to live the same way that you do. You do you and let other people live the way they want to.
@@nebulabobcontrolling peoples lives is actually NIMBYs specialty
You mentioned no other rail systems other than SkyTrain, so do you know if this would affect anything along the West Coast Express commuter train? It runs from Mission through Maple Ridge, Port Coquitlam, and Port Moody on its way to Vancouver.
It runs a couple times a day, so I would imagine not.
I’ve used transit across the GVRD for more than 40 years. It’s always been poor. Compared to Japan, Thailand and Singapore, the Lower Mainland has been primitive. I’ve used them all. We are a car city, and getting higher taxes on residential property is never going to happen. So funding for transit will be insufficient. Your optimism is misplaced, and transit in future will be as bad as in the past. High density living can be highly stressful and unpleasant, like an insect colony or prison.
I live in Canada and I didn’t know that Vancouver’s transit system was so “famous”. Anyway we need more housing everywhere so it’s a good idea. Will it make housing more affordable. Probably not. Developers are greedy.
I'm optimistic for the future of Translink because, like you said, I think it's the region's biggest asset but I'm really really hesitant in being optimistic for what it means re: housing in this city when there's so little promise in current developments where they are permitted. If future developments around stations are going to be the same 700sq ft luxury condos that largely serve as speculative investing for property owners, then the housing crisis isn't really addressed all that meaningfully. There's so many connected pieces of the puzzle that need to be addressed together to solve this wider issue and this is definitely a great step forward but without addressing other issues municipally and provincially I'm sorta bracing myself for less meaningful change than I'd hope.
Not enough people are talking about this aspect of it
All this will do is spread the unaffordablity to everywhere this transit system serves. Immigration is so high relative to new home starts house prices can only skyrocket to infinity. Each generation in Canada will be worse off than the previous. If you aren’t already rich and in the market you will never have affordable housing.
If you’re going with the doomer take, sure? You’re assuming that the rate of home building stays static despite growing demands for change, as well as an influx of young(er) people via immigration, not to mention many more factors; that’s a massive assumption!
Your prophecy only comes true if enough people believe it.
Yup all this will do is help trudeau pack in moreimmigrants....oh wait he alreadydid that .....bc is done...its ruined....they dont have workers to build so it doesnt matter how much you change the rules you will never catch up...and yup nowhere in the lower mainland will ever be affordable...
Densification of high rises will just lead to more of whatsurrey is doing...little kids schools will now be in tall buildings with no playground or green space
I think they have to go this route anyway because much of Vancouver is hemmed in by the North Shore Mountains north of the city, the Fraser River through the city, and the US border to the south. And they should consider electrified commuter rail that connects Abbotsford, BC all the way back into central Vancouver.
Density is certainly inevitable, or at least it should be. The NIMBYism is strong 😅
WCE2 baby!
There's a few challenges with rail for the valley and similar schemes.
They're not in Translink and that's the primary transit planning organization, the sooner they get in the sooner they have a chance of having something built around their needs.
Rail is... tricky in Vancouver. This close to the ports there's a lot of traffic on the existing rail and the connections aren't as good as you think they'd be due in part to elevation challenges around the steeper areas. Minimum effort to get good passanger rail service would at least involve new two-way rail bridges over the Fraser and probably taking out the swing stage and all the infrastructure needed to support that, might even have to tunnel actually to get the grades down. I do hope they start thinking about addressing these things but it's going to take a long time and probably some funding changes.
Best solution is probably an REM down the TransCanada, with mid-stations at Guildford, Carvolth and Trinity Western.
BC Transit ran the numbers though, and they'd only get 3k riders/day (probably less after the pandemic). Gotta wait another few decades.
You should do an episode where you try to plan a transit system for Victoria at some point with those markers of yours. A lot of BC’s recent housing policy comes from the missing middle debate on the lower island - the provincial policy was overseen by a former Victoria mayor. This puts Victoria in the funny position of having a head start on transit-oriented-development compared to the rest of the province but without any of the corresponding transit (just a really nice bike network - arguably the best one in Canada). The possibility of some sort of rail transit system keeps on popping up then disappearing here since VIA stopped running in 2011, so it seems like it’s bound to happen eventually, but nothing concrete has happened yet.
hopefully Ontario copies it eventually because the Ontario line and Scarborough subway extension are perfect for this and especially the go expansion it's perfect for this redevelopment
For sure, but honestly it’s even more about the existing stations! So much redevelopment potential!
It's already happening. The Ontario line will force NIMBY's to except new development in their areas resulting in new density from mid to high rises in areas that we'd never think would get any density. Areas like the Danforth and Don mills are about to get shaken up like crazy in the next 5-10 years.
@RMTransit yeah that too there's a ton of potential for alot of density around various transit infrastructure
Canada line needs platform extension
WTF does "minimum allowable up to" even mean. You can't define both minimum and maximum at once, unless they're identical.
The point is they need to allow of a minimum of “at least X”. It’s a minimum maximum or ceiling that can be set
@@RMTransit that has to be one of the most convoluted ways of saying "may not reject X or lower".
If the NDP actually does this, they'll have my vote next election! I'm particularly pleased to see BC Transit getting involved in property development. All those development profits absolutely should be going into public services instead of some rich bastard's pockets. I've been talking about the need for exactly this kind policy ever since I learned about how Japan Railways group makes most of its revenue from transit oriented development, not fares. It's insane that we let private property developers reap all the profits created by publicly funded transit lines.
Of course there are always going to be powerful moneyed interest groups who oppose actual solutions to the housing crisis. For any of this to work, we need leaders with the backbone to tell those people (politely) to go f themselves.
Wishing the US had a party like the NDP, the democrats do everything in their power to suppress the branch that is the most like them...
Please stop voting for socialism and bigger govt overreach.
You presume that BCT can manage a project as well as some profit driven developer. You know what they about making assumptions. I can't wait to hear the outcry from transit users about rising fairs to pay for project overruns. That should be fun.
My thoughts
1. There is a number of remote bus stations, such as the Ladner Exchange loop which is surrounded by 2 very big fields, and some hospitals and rec buildings. I wonder if this bus loop will see the redevlopment of those fields into much needed housing?
2. Does the west coast express count as a BC rail system? Ive never been on it so I'm not sure, but you mentioned there werent other rail systems.
Lovely video, love seeing videos on Vancouver.
The remote loops probably need to past muster from a flood / environmental perspective but then I see no reason why we can’t build around them.
West Coast Express exists but I wouldn’t suggest it’s reliable all day transit since it only runs a few trips a day!
@@RMTransitHow do we make the West Coast Express better, quickly?
@@pex3buy the tracks out from the freight rail companies. Just getting the limited service it has was a huge headache, and dealing with the freight companies has made there be very little appetite within TransLink for improving or expanding the West Coast Express.
It’s a real shame, because there are already tracks all over the region to places that could really use good suburban rail transit. Especially to places like White Rock and Delta, up the Valley, and the North Shore. Stations and some passing tracks could be laid down for way less money than building new Skytrain lines, but the freight companies will never allow it.
I’d like Reece to make a video on the sale of BC Rail sometime. I think more people need to know about what an absolute travesty that was and if there’s anything we can do to get the railways back under public control
West Coast Express stations are classified as Type 1B (bus exchange) due to their lower frequency and limited service window
For anyone not familiar with this loop these fields are not farm land. I just wanted to add this as farmland particularly the more productive land in the ALR is very important to maintain.
I do think that these non agricultural fields would be good to see turned into housing.
I live in Langley. I'm hoping that the station we're getting at Willowbrook Mall gets that area turned into a high density area like they've been doing at Brentwood mall in Burnaby. When I was a kid the Brentwood Mall area was not covered in high rises, there was no Skytrain, now there is both. I want to live near a Skytrain station and this new provincial housing policy is making that look more affordable and more likely.
I agree completely, Willowbrook mall was a place I spent a lot of time at growing up and I would love to see a big redevelopment
BRT line to Abbotsford anyone?
@@Abrothers12 I'd like to see that or at least something better than what's here now. The current bus connection to Abbotsford through Aldergrove I don't think is very good.
@@thisisjeff9845 I agree with the aldergrove thing, they need to make another bus route going on 32 ave, up into the meadows, down station rd, and down to 26 ave or something.
the white spot at will brook mall is going to close its doors at the end of the year ..why sky train .. its going right to 203 and Fraser highway the one thing its going to bring more drug addicts good bye langley
I don't know. This might make Vancouver even more desirable to live in, inducing more demand, and...it could become as expensive as Hong Kong, which has a lot of transit oriented development already that didn't help its housing prices at all.
BC went to a zoning model four decades ago. That WHY the high rise concrete condos all the way to Surrey, New Westminster, and Coquitlam are largely within WALKING DISTANCE to a Skytrain rail platform today. It's been done. And prices are NOT going to come down for all kinds of reasons not relevant here.
Biggest issue that Vancouver is facing with building new housing is a level of NIMBYism so rabid that it hobbles the true TOD potential that Skytrain offers that we've seen in stations such as Metrotown. Commercial Broadway is still surrounded by strip malls, parking lots, single story retail buildings, and single family housing, VCC-Clark is a wasteland with nothing of value, and King Edward's idea of TOD is a wimpy seven story building over a Canada Line station. Hell, the Broadway Plan faced massive opposition from a mostly grey and white haired group who was afraid of it "destroying the character" and "pricing out Vancouverites" when it was going to add major character to the corridor and offer thousands of affordable units. I think that now these people are too tired to do anything but retire is objectively good for the urban fabric of our city.
The thing is, Vancouverites are already priced out (something boomers/older Gen X fail to realize)
@@avrowolf There really aren't too many Gen Xers who are against more affordable housing. They spent years being marginalized by the boomers, and now that they're in charge, they're making some beneficial changes. David Eby comes to mind, as he has been at the forefront of the beneficial zoning law changes being made in BC. The recent change to TOD zoning along with the province-wide change in Single-Family zoning will solve our housing crisis in only a handful of years. Half the reason why we were falling short on housing was governments constantly downsizing developments and restricting density.
Uhhhh lol.
Along with high density housing, what Canada really needs is to prevent investors from buying houses, and keeping them empty. In my neighborhood in Burnaby, almost 1 in 5 single family house is unoccupied. There are some cul-de-sacs where every house is unoccupied. If suddenly without any additional construction, 15% more houses are available, the prices will go down.
I live in an area in south central Edmonton called Old Strathcona(it used to be a city at one time). There are mostly small walk-up apartments and some older houses in the immediate area of Whyte Ave, although some newer developments. In this area there are 15 large empty lots and no construction activity happening. Big time investors come into the area and buy old houses in batches of 3, flatten them leave the land empty. City of Edmonton just jerks around and lets these 'investors' get away doing nothing to alleviate an aging residential area with lots of crime.
That's cap. Vancouver vacancy rate is actually the lowest in the country which is less than 1%
Great land use policy!!The California legislature passed a similar yet smaller approach with SB10 which gives local governments the option to allow more density within 0.5 mile of a major rail station and bus stop without the need for environmental review.
It's unfortunate it will take so long to see the results. I know people who have had to move back to home provinces as living in Vancouver was not sustainable
Its even worse in Squamish! Have you paying even MORE for a smaller place! And there’s not even anything nearby to do or places to work! Goddamn retirement town, the only people who can thrive there are rich young granola commuters, and retired boomers. Squamish is SO bad that we just moved to Vancouver because its more affordable here 😂
Sorry, but I have the feeling the government (whichever level) will be messing things up.
I have a decent sized property in North Burnaby, and I think technically with the new rules, my home will be rezoned to allow up to 6 units. That just means my property value will increase, thus increase in property tax. There will probably be some tax to "promote development", so maybe I get taxed for the potential 6 units too?
I am also not sure why some people are so bent on trying to dissuade car ownership. About 60% of households in Japan, the country famous for their transit infrastructures, still own at least 1 vehicle. People in Japan get around quickly because there are lots of alternatives. JR line is packed, take the subway. Got an extra 10 minutes, take bus directly instead have needing to transfer. Taxi are also available for cheap too.
I'm always wondering why doesn't Vancouver just hire the city planning and JR line folks from Japan to just run/manage/plan stuff? I mean.... when people still proclaim about Translink as the top transit system in North America... that's a low bar.
Wow I can’t believe it. I really hope that this plan comes to fruition!
Yeah! Vancouver with more affordable housing sounds like the place to be.
Another BC Boondoggle the same people that causes the problems are going to fix them, you all learned nothing last few years. Once you all start becoming hyper vigilant to how your sweat money is actually being spend, we ALL ON THE PLANET can have nice things..like a life of genuine spontaneous creativity and productive endeavors .untill then good luck
yep , there will be more train stations for homeless to sleep in.
should help housing prices.... LOLOLOLOL
My only issue with all of this is security on public transit here is lacking... I feel on edge in certain cities/areas in north america so driving more people into the system without addressing the issue of safety is halfbaked. On the otherhad, just got back from Japan and the local and regional trains there are incredible; clean, safe, affordable and efficient.
Totally agree. East Asian transit systems makes Vancouver's look like it is from the 1950s. It's an embarrassment
The transit system in the lower mainland is already stretched to the absolute maximum... It's utterly comical looking at bus after bus after bus driving down every road jam-packed with people 24/7 the sky trains are equally as brutal that's not even mentioning peak hours. It's unbelievable people can't realize how ridiculous this has become. When I was a kid growing up in the lower mainland 35 years ago it was much much much different. Looking at the city now it's like 1% of what it used to be... Nearly every public service is backlog to the point of unusability, and the private sector is even worse with money and greed fueling it. Playland's a good example. When I was a kid you could ride every ride in that theme park in one afternoon, it's so bad now that on fright night you stand in line for 2 hours to go through a 15 minute haunted house... And the rides are all lined up 45 minutes at least.
Sorry, but you've missed what is like in the Lower Mainland.
This won't bring down housing costs as the population increase keeps up with unit development. Vancouver's economy is largely based on real estate, and no way are prices going down when developers and realtors direct policy.
All new units are really small apartments/condos with very high pricing and strata fees. Densification just doesn't work here.
Also, the road infrastructure is horrible and more buses aren't going to decrease traffic as electric is here so car volume will just get worse.
Nonsense. This city is utterly unaffordable. It will become a rental city like many cities are already. It is over for the middle class. Bye bye 👋 Who is going to build at such insane material and labour shortage prices?? Get real.
tbf the problem can't be solved until foreign investment completely stops. essentially immigrating from anywhere to anywhere in the world is becoming dumber and dumber. since everyone with money and a brain could live in 3rd world countries as kings, the only possible immigration to anywhere like Canada would be stupid enough to think it was a good idea. at least air bnb is mostly over.
This is so nice, living in Toronto I just feel like the transit development is so far behind. Part of it I suspect is due to the TTC being dug way before the skytrain, and the larger part is just bureaucratic incompetence so new lines take forever to build.
Honestly, they could have done thos twice as big 12 years ago and it still would not be enough for how things are now. 3/4 of that city is owned by people who don't even live in the country.
Having just visited Japan earlier this year, Vancouvers transit system is a complete joke. That’s a country that has figured out transit, not Vancouver.
Literally never heard anyone talk about Vancouver's transit network or "transit-orientation". It being "one of" the best in North America is an incredibly low bar.
NIMBYs will still find a way to stop construction. Protests, legal challenges, bribes...
So metrolink is copying MTR in hong kong lol
Someone explain like I’m 5 what this new legislature does I watched the video but I got ADD.
WEF 15 minutes city's !! Wake up! Your freedom of movement is on stake!!
Turn Vancouver into a ghetto. Sounds great. Good thing I’m leaving in two years.
It's interesting that Translink is actually investing in real estate and using it to help fund transit projects. I understand that Brightline is doing something similar in Florida. I wonder if California could do the same to help fund California HSR. Or perhaps that ship has already sailed. That's basically how the US government funded the transcontinental RR.
They’ve just started but I concur, extremely interested to see how it goes
@@RMTransit 1) Can you launch an attack campaign on the City of Vancouver's height restrictions.
2) Can you launch a campaign to build a bridge from Deep Cove to Belcarra.
Vancouver's wisdom in choosing an automated system-- and the Canadian government's wisdom in developing it-- can hardly be overstated. Thirty trains an hour is a rare luxury in North America, but it's commonplace in Vancouver. In my own city of Atlanta, dense residential development is occurring, but it's remote from rail stations because people don't want to rely on trains that come only every ten minutes at best even during peak hours.
10 minutes??! in sicily(southern italy) i live in a city of 800k pop. and we do have trams and an extremely developed bus system but people still prefer the urban train system that has trains coming once every 30 minutes
@@deggho5877 Our buses suck, though. I can't even find a system map online. I guess MARTA's too embarrassed to depict how sparse their bus network is.
I once lived in Atlanta. MARTA was neutered from the beginning with Cobb & Gwinnett Counties not allowing MARTA heavy rail and that mostly Fulton and DeKalb Counties pay the once cent MARTA tax. Still, a LOT of work on MARTA heavy rail needs to be instituted and it needs to serve all citizens and not be looked at as transport for those without other means. Taking MARTA from the airport to Brookhaven can be "interesting" until the train is past Midtown. Even then getting a cab to/from MARTA in those days was difficult and once was in a taxi so beat up and broken that the rear bumper fell off near Peachtree and Club Road. I lived about a mile from that. Uber should have solved that issue but in the mean time, I moved out to the west coast and have not been back to Atlanta for years. I miss the greenery of Atlanta but don't miss Atlanta one bit. MARTA should be so much better than it is.
10 minutes is great try living in an area with 1 bus an Hour!
Agree about the wisdom of automation. Besides the frequency of the trains, the other great thing about an automated system is that when a transit strike occurs and the buses stop, management can at least keep Skytrain running. That way, people can still make it most of the way to their work or other destinations. The city isn't paralyzed.
One of the transit adjacent development situations that drives me nuts in Vancouver is how many stations we have that are just standalone islands. Even within the city core we keep planning stations, (Broadway ext,) that are just small standalone buildings instead of just having the station entrances as part of a building above. Broadway-City Hall, for example, not being a full mixed use building that just has the station entrance on a corner is just silly. Such inefficient use of space, and missed opportunities for continuous revenue from rental to support the network.
translink doesnt think, they just waste taxpayers money for the heck of it. I would of taken Bombardier over the crap korean trains that are incompatable with the existing system with stations that are too small.
Love it when you do a vancouver video. Speaking translink not being afraid to try new things how about that Gondala project up to SFU.
Well, I think the Chinese will be glad to hear it although the homeless may show a lack of enthusiasm.
I hope there is legislation to increase public infrastructure like schools, hospitals, community centres etc. to support this increased population but I have no hope for the Vancouver city council
As someone who lives near one of the ‘bad’ skytrain stations, this is very exciting! I would love to have more density here so I don’t have to take my car or go to another station to go shopping, going out to eat, etc.
Even with these changes the demand for housing will still be higher than the supply. Prices will not lower by much if at all.
Definitely going to need upgrades. None of your videos show the skystrain stations during peak hours. This shows the skytrain looking like nobody is riding it, the platforms are already packed to capacity. I Definitely agree with you, major upgrades are needed.
This seems like a really good idea.
Good idea, but won’t work. Check out prices in Abbotsford and Langley. Nuts. Canada is 1 million homes short with crazy levels of immigration. Canada only has a small handful of large cities and everyone goes there. I wish that wasn’t the case, but it is:
Almost none go to Quebec. They all go to Anglo-Canada. Quebec City is still 95% white.
I'm happy to hear that Translink is actually going ahead and building the housing itself, and it's going to profit from it (from the sound of it).
A proposed transit line made completely of concrete rampart and stations along with ancillary apartment buildings? A suburban dystopian nightmare paid for by taxpayer money.
@@spartacusyoyaSounds like a dream come true. Doesn't matter how much you want to make it sound like a bad thing. No number of fake accounts created 6 months ago can change that.
@@firefox39693 Oh, a wonderful extension of a concrete jungle? No one will smile anymore.
@@spartacusyoya I doubt anyone is smiling with the current house prices either. Would you rather be frowning indoors or be frowning homeless?
@@1224chrisng Right now I'm shreaking, two major apartments fires in the immediate area in the past two weeks, and four in the 6 months.
I think the most important thing is to extend the Skytrain out as far as possible, to Delta, White Rock, Abbotsford, places like that. Take the places that are already cheaper to live and make the city car more accessible to them. Then you'll get people moving away from downtown Van to places they can live more cheaply or with more space while still being able to easily get to downtown. I keep getting priced out of the possibility of being anywhere near to the Skytrain.
I don't mean to sound confrontational. I only say this for a different perspective. It was TransLink's utter ineptitude that got me riding my bike. I agree that skytrain is a pretty decent system. However, buses that are supposed to come every 10 minutes, sometimes only show up every 30. And then quite often it's 3 at a time. Finally got sick of not knowing whether I was going to be 15 minutes early or late for work.
Oh and one time I said something to one of the supervisors. He was dismissive at first, and then he threatened me with arrest when I pointed out that traffic should affect all the buses equally. So a relatively cheap bike later and I'm fitter, happier, and no longer late for work. Just wish companies could offer some amenities for cold, wet winter rides.
As a fellow cyclist I appreciate and applaud you for not sitting on your butt as so many in the area like to do, car or otherwise. And yes I am joking wrt bike saddle. Keep it up, afaik it’s the greenest option of all.
I wish we in the uk dint remove all of ower trolley buses right now we have non
I am so stoked for this. My place is 350m from a new station so we will have more density which bring more culture, shops and entertainment with better transit. I really hope we can prove this case so other cities take the model and use it.
Affordable housing in Canada? Impossible...
Alberta and Quebec would like a word!
If only they ran 24 hours a day.
I remember Vancouver 50 years ago and how terrible public transit was then. Things have improved immensely since.
Hopefully we see the benefit in housing costs! I currently live ON Broadway in Mt Pleasant in an older building so my rent is reasonable, but if I wanted to move anywhere for the same price I'd have to go out to Surrey. Would also LOVE if Translink did a better job on all lines, not just the Canada line, of making space for bikes... Getting further out to places like Coquitlam or Surrey I prefer bike-train-bike over bus-train-bus as I'm usually a lot faster on the bus sections with my bike and it also means I don't have to time my journey exactly to hit a bus that might only come every 10-20 minutes and I can just ride to my destination from the station... but it's so clunky riding on the train with my bike