I loved the part about the differences between opera and broadway, I was always much more subconsciously drawn to opera and had very little interest in singing broadway, and I think you just explained why my intuition make me like opera much more!
Good for you. You teacher is a fast thinker, obviously faster then me. I don't give qualification, before I check out all the components. For me it's one of the most enigmatic processes and proves to have great surprises. Now, Broadway tenor and Opera tenor are two entirely different voices e.g. Ultra lyric tenor(Broadway) may be a dramatic baritone(Opera) because when he realizes he need 3 times more power in Opera then in Broadway he may need a fach change in order to make his voice stronger
I believe I have chiaro-scuro from A2 to E4 but I can't sing these notes with chiaro-scuro with the larynx in the same position, and that if I do, I sing like a bari-tenor (only constricted chest voice). I can reach a F#4 without chiaro-scuro, tho. I think I have a baritone choir voice with a smaller low range notes.
Sweet Jesus ... You are a genius ...😮 Im back ....😂 I have noticed this myself Just very recently there is not just two chest voice there is a third pure chest voice. And now just looking on the internet and who do I find saying it. You of course😮😮
that type of discovery doesn't happen over night, so "just discovered" sounds a little premature:) I can give you my favorite Italian lyric tenors:B.Gigli, Tito Schipa, Jussy Bjorling, young Di Stefano, young Jose Carreras, Russian:Lemeshev French style:Alfredo Krauss those are lyric opera tenors
Maestro, Kraus sings with a raised larynx, and his high notes are totally out of his nose (give his C a listen on "Salut Demeure Chaste et Pure"). Is it only the French style you give him a high review in?
@@mickey1849 to you knowing the nose and singing nasally blocks the sound and it is not heard in the theatre. And i personally know at least two men, who listened to him alive. And they said that the his voice was heard perfectly at any place. It was projected very well. That's why you have no proofs that he sang high notes in the nose.
I find your videos fascinating. I am curious, I am pretty sure you teach basses and baritones too, they I would imagine always alternate between chest and chiaro scuro.. would you care to comment at all, or do you have a video that discusses the lower male voices.? I am a baritone, so I have a reason to ask.
there is another technique you didnt mention.....its questionable one but its like a controlled headvoice scream....even luciano pavarotti called it this....but lyrics and dramatics can use this to sing high C5 or higher. I had learned this technique to sing repeated high C5s.....but as lyric/Dramatic type voice you still feel a very important connection around the B4 and below. of coarse its not an audible exchange unless you make a rough landing haha.
If lyric tenors and spinto tenors have limited chiaro scuro how are they able to sing on stage notes lower than their chiaro Scuro range and have it be heard?
Dear Maestro Tenelli, who are some baritones that are singing using this full chiaro scuro appoggio method? What do you think about Robert Merrill, Leo Nucci, Josef Metternich? Do you think baritones must cover to create a baritone sound?
Yes it´s true. much "famous" use tecniques very bad by they voices. But well... business are business. And after that, they make see bel canto a imposibiliti form to sing, when not way. It´s just a good practice and correct use of faringue and driafragma. and of cuorse, the voice of one. But not imposible.
@Flutistmom yes so true I agree. I started off singing Bass-Baritone and Baritone arias and a few roles, until I experienced the "Change" in my voice a month away from my 36th birthday. My voice teacher always told me that I would be experiencing the change in my voice, but I didn't believe her then! Amazingly, now I am retraining currently and my fach now where I'm heading towards is Dramatic Tenor rep.
Mr. Tenelli, the highest note I'm capable of hitting is F5 and I've been singing for about 5 months now and I've been taking lessons for 7 weeks. Does that mean I'm a tenor? or has it something to do with my timbre aswell? My teacher says that she doesn't know what I am yet and I would like to hear your opinion too, even though u haven't heard my voice. Thanks a lot (Great videos by the way).
Im thinking about lessons and would like your opinion on my natural voice, do you have an email that I can send the recordings to you? I would also like your opinion on my fach….thank you.
In terms of volume I'd always thought that Corelli's high voice was the winner, or maybe Filippeschi's top notes, but you say that more dramatic tenors that MdM are the loudest, is this true?
This is so wrong I don't even know where to start! If you want to have the same vocal faults as this guy then he will teach you how. If you want to free your voice then you need to steer clear of this nonsense! Corelli had a few lessons with Melocchi and realised it was a voice wrecking technique. Del Monaco was just naturally gifted and therefore survived the vocal abuse that Melocchi inflicted upon him until the end of his career when it was quite evident that his voice was destroyed.
Melocchi technique holds the voice on a high position. The resonance will be natural on the range of the voice type the singer has You, as a tenor, do not have to and do not need to project low notes so loudly
While I'd agree, it doesn't hurt either... Some tenors from my class, me included, sang bass/baritone choir lines and ended up with quite more power in the lower range as a result. I'd say it's useful to empower the bottom of the range as well.
You've read or heard the basics but you are a perfect example of a singer with a constricted and pushed sound without any finesse who needs microphones. You've never developed the right muscles. Your breathing muscles are on holidays. "Full chiaro-scuro voices"? "appoggio?" You may fool ignorant amateurs but you are no real opera singer. I can understand that this is your passion (or your business) but you aren't able to show or teach the great tradition with proper examples because you aren't properly trained. You have a completely uneven and artificially darkened voice. No squillo no party.
I loved the part about the differences between opera and broadway, I was always much more subconsciously drawn to opera and had very little interest in singing broadway, and I think you just explained why my intuition make me like opera much more!
Good for you. You teacher is a fast thinker, obviously faster then me.
I don't give qualification, before I check out all the components.
For me it's one of the most enigmatic processes and proves to have great surprises.
Now, Broadway tenor and Opera tenor are two entirely different voices e.g. Ultra lyric tenor(Broadway) may be a dramatic baritone(Opera) because when he realizes he need 3 times more power in Opera then in Broadway he may need a fach change in order to make his voice stronger
Magnifique !
I believe I have chiaro-scuro from A2 to E4 but I can't sing these notes with chiaro-scuro with the larynx in the same position, and that if I do, I sing like a bari-tenor (only constricted chest voice). I can reach a F#4 without chiaro-scuro, tho. I think I have a baritone choir voice with a smaller low range notes.
Sweet Jesus ...
You are a genius ...😮
Im back ....😂
I have noticed this myself
Just very recently there is not just two chest voice there is a third pure chest voice. And now just looking on the internet and who do I find saying it. You of course😮😮
If you analyse it enough you'll end up with seven billion different styles.
that type of discovery doesn't happen over night, so "just discovered" sounds a little premature:)
I can give you my favorite Italian lyric tenors:B.Gigli, Tito Schipa, Jussy Bjorling, young Di Stefano, young Jose Carreras,
Russian:Lemeshev
French style:Alfredo Krauss
those are lyric opera tenors
Maestro, Kraus sings with a raised larynx, and his high notes are totally out of his nose (give his C a listen on "Salut Demeure Chaste et Pure"). Is it only the French style you give him a high review in?
@@mickey1849 any proofs about raised larinx?
@@santisramos5832 Yes. Carefully read again my response above. Go listen to Kraus sing Salut Demeure, and listen to the C come out of his nose.
@@mickey1849 to you knowing the nose and singing nasally blocks the sound and it is not heard in the theatre. And i personally know at least two men, who listened to him alive. And they said that the his voice was heard perfectly at any place. It was projected very well. That's why you have no proofs that he sang high notes in the nose.
@@mickey1849 the second: to listen the recording and listen alive are two different things.
I find your videos fascinating. I am curious, I am pretty sure you teach basses and baritones too, they I would imagine always alternate between chest and chiaro scuro.. would you care to comment at all, or do you have a video that discusses the lower male voices.? I am a baritone, so I have a reason to ask.
there is another technique you didnt mention.....its questionable one but its like a controlled headvoice scream....even luciano pavarotti called it this....but lyrics and dramatics can use this to sing high C5 or higher. I had learned this technique to sing repeated high C5s.....but as lyric/Dramatic type voice you still feel a very important connection around the B4 and below. of coarse its not an audible exchange unless you make a rough landing haha.
Discovered the same thing.
again great video maestro!
If lyric tenors and spinto tenors have limited chiaro scuro how are they able to sing on stage notes lower than their chiaro Scuro range and have it be heard?
Right
I still can't tell for sure which one I am tbh..
L. Pavarotti has full lyric voice
Correct!
He started as a leggero
He is really a lyric-leggiero. The top 1/3 of his range is total leggiero
Mr. Tenelli, the chiaroscuro method is a lot more physically demanding. Is this true?
Dear Maestro Tenelli, who are some baritones that are singing using this full chiaro scuro appoggio method? What do you think about Robert Merrill, Leo Nucci, Josef Metternich? Do you think baritones must cover to create a baritone sound?
Don't have chest.voice. you blow up
Maestro Tenelli, have you done any videos on baritones?
Thank you
Bless you, Maestro!
2:36 is dicsonnected head voice...
Can I please come to study with you next year, maybe for a week of intense technique?
He forgot the password for this channel so he can't reply to you
@@ovrayn2820 LOL and I wondered what happened
Yes it´s true. much "famous" use tecniques very bad by they voices. But well... business are business. And after that, they make see bel canto a imposibiliti form to sing, when not way. It´s just a good practice and correct use of faringue and driafragma. and of cuorse, the voice of one. But not imposible.
In the Chiaro Scuro, is that last C a mix
GRAZIE MAESTRO!
Great voice.
6:45 - I’m 22. What can I expect of my voice?
@Flutistmom yes so true I agree. I started off singing Bass-Baritone and Baritone arias and a few roles, until I experienced the "Change" in my voice a month away from my 36th birthday. My voice teacher always told me that I would be experiencing the change in my voice, but I didn't believe her then! Amazingly, now I am retraining currently and my fach now where I'm heading towards is Dramatic Tenor rep.
Mr. Tenelli, the highest note I'm capable of hitting is F5 and I've been singing for about 5 months now and I've been taking lessons for 7 weeks. Does that mean I'm a tenor? or has it something to do with my timbre aswell? My teacher says that she doesn't know what I am yet and I would like to hear your opinion too, even though u haven't heard my voice. Thanks a lot (Great videos by the way).
I see an obvious difference in timre at G4 and higher.
It’s where he starts naturally covering I think
Im thinking about lessons and would like your opinion on my natural voice, do you have an email that I can send the recordings to you? I would also like your opinion on my fach….thank you.
Possible en français ou en russe s'il vous plaît.
In terms of volume I'd always thought that Corelli's high voice was the winner, or maybe Filippeschi's top notes, but you say that more dramatic tenors that MdM are the loudest, is this true?
jarto10 Pavarotti' s top notes are highest. Corelli has poor voice. Corelli' s voice like baritone.
@@zekiyaksklveasabi3136 What the FUCK are you talking about? LMAO.
He is a dramatic tenor
@@walternavarro6745 lirico spinto
German:Fritz Wunderlich
What about French Georges Thill? (italian technique).
Школа о раскачивании голоса ...Форс
May I study with you?
This is so wrong I don't even know where to start! If you want to have the same vocal faults as this guy then he will teach you how. If you want to free your voice then you need to steer clear of this nonsense! Corelli had a few lessons with Melocchi and realised it was a voice wrecking technique. Del Monaco was just naturally gifted and therefore survived the vocal abuse that Melocchi inflicted upon him until the end of his career when it was quite evident that his voice was destroyed.
Melocchi technique holds the voice on a high position. The resonance will be natural on the range of the voice type the singer has
You, as a tenor, do not have to and do not need to project low notes so loudly
While I'd agree, it doesn't hurt either... Some tenors from my class, me included, sang bass/baritone choir lines and ended up with quite more power in the lower range as a result. I'd say it's useful to empower the bottom of the range as well.
lmao! you're totally right about broadway singers not being actors at all XD
It's always the guys with the anime profile pics that have the dumbest and shittiest opinions smh.
You've read or heard the basics but you are a perfect example of a singer with a constricted and pushed sound without any finesse who needs microphones. You've never developed the right muscles. Your breathing muscles are on holidays. "Full chiaro-scuro voices"? "appoggio?" You may fool ignorant amateurs but you are no real opera singer. I can understand that this is your passion (or your business) but you aren't able to show or teach the great tradition with proper examples because you aren't properly trained. You have a completely uneven and artificially darkened voice. No squillo no party.
This guy doesn't know
what is
Abdominal support.
He fools singers who have
no knowledge.