How DUNE Became The Biggest Science Fiction Book In The Universe
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- How DUNE Became The Biggest Science Fiction Book In The Universe
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There is no way a chosen one on a desert planet called Tatooine exists without Dune.
The Jedi are also inspired by the Bene Gesserit too.
And the emperor
(Spoilers of Dune books up until and including Children of Dune)
And there is no way a chosen one gets a woman pregnant with twins (boy and girl) and the mother of these children die during birth, and the chosen one guy "dies" and becomes known among the universe under a different name as a different person, and in the end he reveals himself to his son and then he dies in Star Wars without the original Dune Trilogy
But was Xavier Harkonnen bald?
Moid slowly turning into a Brian Cox documentary
The Wonders of Science Fiction
Yeah you love Cox. 🙊
A mate threw it to me when I was a teenager saying "I think you will like this" he was so right, he died there a few years ago and whenever something comes up about the saga I think of him, a great bloke. I'm 55 now, and back in the day before we were saturated by media, reading was our UA-cam, netflix, the internet ETC, certain books became an event in your life, and you would meet someone who read the same books and strike an instant rapport on discussing those books, LOTR, Hitchhiker series, the magician series and many more, but for me, Dune was the best of them, I've reread them a few times and the older I got I have come to realise 'God Emperor of Dune' is his greatest work, this is what he was leading to say.
Lovely comment, thank you
Never read books, there wasn’t a single work of fiction I read in school that I liked. Years later, had an issue with my eyes so there was literally nothing I could do other than listen to an audiobook. Absolutely loved the first 4 dune books, couldn’t put it down! Dune is why I now read at all so will always be very special to me!
Are you sure you are not Richard and David Attenborough’s long lost little brother?
I'll take that compliment, thank you
I am imagining Attenborough narrating the doings of sand worms.
I quite like the new outdoors review format, the script is solid but wow, the picture is so crisp and good looking. Cheers to the production crew and all hail the great cult leader!
It reminds me of Carl Sagans eold TV Doku Cosmos. That is a good thing!
Glad you liked it. We've got even more great stuff on the way.
I first read Dune as a teenager in the late 1980's. It had everything poliltics, religion, economics, spice as the oil of its day, imperial intrigue, rival houses, swords and lasers, spaceships, and sexual politics. For me, Arrakis was the oil-rich middle east...a barren landscape with the most important commodity of the age. I could easily relate the story to the Cold War politics of the day. One could easily imagine Baron Harkonen banging his fist on a desk shouting "We Will Bury You!" Art imitating life.
Same here, I also read the books in the late 80's. Even though it has a space setting, every part of the story is very relatable.
Must put my signed Dune pb into secure storage.
I spoke to Brian Herbert about 25y ago at the launch of the first volume of his expansions. He pointed out that the latter Dune books had descriptions influenced by the visuals in David Lynch's film, so that has become part of the canon.
Learned so much in 10-11 minutes that I never knew haha. Loved this video, especially your shots of the landscape. I need to get to Children of Dune sooner rather than later
Thanks, don't forget God Emperor, the best one
@@MediaDeathCult it’s definitely the entry I’m most excited for, mainly due to how crazy it supposedly is
My dream of a MediaDeathCult ChattingWithNutts suddenly feels possible...I've been taking spice so maybe it's the future...😵💫😊
I’ve been reading all the pre Dune books by his son and Mr Anderson and I love learning how the universe of Dune came about, highly recommend the Butlerian Jihad series and the Schools of Dune serieszzz
You gotta love Sterling Lanier for his faith in Frank Herbert and Dune!
I read Dune as a 15 year old in the early 70s ( I’m 65 now) for me it’s a stand alone classic even though he gave us more afterwards. I know this is off topic but I was also very into Barry Malzberg at the time… a different style completely but I enjoyed his work.
I am probably repeating myself but man I love this type of your videos
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a masterclass in how to do a 10:42 video critique of one the great works of science fiction or, possibly, one of the great works of fiction. Period. Very nicely done.
Great music scoring that enhances the tone of the video - lets us hold the ideas and thoughts for a bit - then moves on. I could never quite get into Dune World ( movies or books ) but this video explains what the hook is that grabs people and why they get drawn in. In addition to paving the way for Star Wars, Dune probably also helped make Game of Thrones possible.
Great video, totally agree. It may not be my favourite, it may not be the one Ive enjoyed the most but Dune is the best sci fii book Ive ever read, The world building alone is a cut above. No other book has made my mouth feel dry after a few pages of planetary description.
I absolutely love these video essays/deep dives you've been doing! Love the outdoor settings, the detailed information, the higher quality shooting and editing, and yet the shorter format so I can watch them with a cup of tea and then move on with my chores again
Awesome vid, amigo. Love the setting, too. Oh, and Dune fucking rules.
Yeah it does
I'm really liking these deep dive videos you're doing. I bought "Death of Grass" after the last one I saw.
Another quality video. I have all six Frank Herbert books though have only read the first three and together that feels like a complete story. I want to get to at least book six though I hear it ends of on a cliff hanger. If it does, then does the first book his son tackles, see out that cliff hanger? Anyhow, it'll probably be a while before I get to complete book six.
It was always going to end on a cliffhanger. Frank's whole attitude was that mankind is stuck in a loop, when civilisations get too comfortable the people get bored and destroy their own society and have to start again from scratch.
One reason it became popular was because it tied in with the ecology movement which was just getting started in the mid-sixties.
"because its really really good". cant argue with that logic.
For me personally, Dune describes true events from the distant worlds. Herbert is a guy who was there, saw everything, felt everything and came up with philosophical conclusions based on the events.
I remember I had the same feeling that I was reading actual historical events from the future. Never had that feeling before or after...
Well, maybe with Rendezvous with Rama, but to a much lesser degree
indeed! Clarke did a great job writing this book as if it was a non-fiction one@@PsychoholicSlag83
Please make a similar video for Hyperion as well!
It's in the planning stages
@@MediaDeathCultThank You!!
I can't wait until they do Dune Messiah
I like how Dune isn't a traditional heroes journey but turns it on it's head nobody is good or bad they all have a fate or agenda
Love it
love the way you shot this video. Very nice.
This was a great video. This past year, Dune has become my favorite book series of all time. Hence my name here. I love the 1984 movie. First saw it in the late 80s on VHS. Didn’t read the book until the mid 90s. I liked it but didn’t continue with the series, I was getting more into Robert E. Howard at the time. I reread Dune a month before the new movie came out. Read Messiah after and stopped. I reread the two books last year, 2022. Finished the series in March 2023. I was blown away, and now I’m obsessed with it as a whole.
Frank Herbert. One might say he was very prophetic considering one of the biggest things we are debating right now. And that is A.I. “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind…… Also it just dawned on me, maybe we wouldn’t have the movie Terminator made if it wasn’t for Dune either. Considering the aforementioned quote….. Just a pity Iron Maiden didn’t get permission to call their song To Tame A Land, Dune like they originally wanted the song to be called….. 𓈖 ….. ⚛️☮️🌏 ( edit here) Just a piece of trivia. For one reason or another JRR Tolkien didn’t like Dune…. ⚛️☮️🌏
Another great one in the bag Moid! Thanks for the content!
This is a great video and I love the direction your channel is taking!
What a GREAT video!! One of your very best.
Great channel! Thank you!!
Well done , classy .
Thanks
Amazing Presentation!
I wish someone would make a movie of Herberts ConSentiency Universe. Jorj X. McKie is cool.
Yeah, they'll be queuing up around the block for that one
Dosadi experiment
I came into Dune with the extended version of the Lynch film that aired in two parts on syndicated tv in '88. It blew me away with a combo attack of the setting, the story, and the music by Toto and Emmett Chapman (one of his songs and a modified Chapman stick were used in the baliset scene in the extended version).
I read the book in '99, but it really didn't stick with me. (There's a book I read with strange grammar about people with multiple personalities that get invaded by a force that locks down their personalities. The protagonist fights back with the aid of a hidden personality that avoided the lockdown. I remember more plot about this book than I did Dune, which I remember because of the Lynch project).
I would say the science fiction series that was the big defining moment for me was the Starchild Trilogy by Pohl and Williamson.
It's interesting because not only is the book better than the original movie, once you've read the book, the movie is a lot better on a rewatch, cause you actually understand what the hell is happening!
@@seeingeyegod The extended version that I saw first laid out the basic premise, and showed who the major players for the were. It covered the Butlerian Jihad, the Spacing Guild, and the Bene Gesserit in broad strokes. In addition there was mention of the Landsraad, House Ateides, and the Emperor, and this gave the viewer an idea of what was roughly going on before the story actually began.
The character Liet-Kines is based on the botinist Luther Burbank. Frank Herbert worked for the Press Democrat a newspaper from the town where Burbank did his work.
I've always argued that every science fiction book, TV show, or movie was about us, as human beings, here on earth. Of all the things I have read or seen, Dune is the most deliciously ALIEN landscape of power and politics that is still us. Another masterclass, thanks Moid!
I’m unsure that I’m really contributing; but I’ll share. I’m old enough that I remember when DUNE was published. I was already a big science fiction fan. My buddies were almost all science fiction readers. Unfortunately, the guys I had learned not to listen to all loved DUNE. Therefore, I did not read DUNE. A decade later I was dating a woman who, I learned, favorite novel was DUNE. I stopped dating her. Finally, in the 1990s, I learned that my youngest daughter, years earlier, had read and loved DUNE. I was surprised but decided to finally read it. I liked it. I read it again. It was tip-top. Wish I’d read it then re-read it earlier. I’ve not re-read DUNE since the 1990s. I have not read any of the DUNE prequels or sequels, and probably won’t. But I’m glad you’re promoting DUNE. It’s worth reading and re-reading. Robert Beattie, New York Times bestselling author
Thank you Robert
Great video Moid . Read the first 3 books in one go. And really loved them ,I have the next 3 but needed a breather if you know what I mean. But I will complete the 6 book set doubt I would go beyond though .
Thanks!
My pleasure, thank you
Oh yeah, this is some good content
Here's my review of Dune:
Feh.
What an intro 🎉
To the video And to de series 😊
So the landscape you are filming this in is that the Planet Dune becoming a green tropical Amazonian planet or Dune starting to morf back into a scorching desert planet again ? 🤗 just asking for a friend 😂
Tell your friend that Dune is a fictional story set in the far future and I live in England
Nicely done.
My all time favorite book is God Emperor of Dune. I cant help myself but to read it at least once a year.
Fantastic video!
Simply put, it's a magnificent piece of work, I think the main reason is because it manipulates the reader to turn page after page with another view of Frank Herbert's ideas, so keeping the reader on their toes. I read this over 50 years ago, and still I see others using snippets of his work in theirs. Apart from the worms lol.
Chilton?!? Wow!
I am truly surprised at how many people don't know that neither Dune nor Dune: Messiah were written as books. It makes me laugh when people say Messiah ruins the character of Paul. They simply don't know the history. He had the entire arc that became the first 3 novels before he wrote a word. God Emperor closes The Golden Path perfectly and is my favorite. I enjoyed the sequel books as well but I would advise against reading them unless you're okay with being blue balled on a epic cliffhanger. I don't view what his son did as his intended completion of that story.
That's why as a book lover And science fiction lover I could not get into It at all.
I will have to read this again because the first two times it just didn't grab me. Which is strange because the second time I read it all of the people who I trust with their recommendations said I needed to give it another try.
Yeah I remember trying to read it and it just didn't grab my attention at all. I can put up with subpar science fiction but something about the writing style just make me not want to keep reading it.
Hard disagree on the differentiation from an analogy to The Lord of the Rings - because I can assure you that Tolkien has plenty of detractors and deeply devoted Fantasy readers who simply don't like him and never will. I think the parallels are very close - even including when to stop reading.
But I did enjoy getting the history of the text, and your look at how it lucked into that Number One spot.
You are good at these! Keep it up.
In 1965 the librarian said I was too young to read The Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson Burnett. Instead of making silly comments about what I was signing out, she should have handed me a copy of Dune. It would have blown my mind at age 7.
Has mr cult written any sci-fi books and if not why not?
Spread the first four books over six movies. If you want to do the last couple you'll need a, erm, different aesthetic.
I read all 6 original books and Dune 7 & 8. Now I'm reading the prequels 😅
Thanks Moid, Dune is irreplaceable!! Brian H can go pound sand! Pun intended :P
Dune or the shadow of the torturer. Which do you prefer?
Gallon of spice.. i see what you did there...
I think DUNE was successful because at the time of its original publication it was exactly the book hippies wanted to read. It has an anti technology streak and a strong theme of human personal development that must have appealed to hippies.
*Amateur Question:* Bigger than Foundation? (I keep hearing Foundation, is the best and the first that introduced the concept of galactic civilizations)
I explained the criteria in the video
I will watch again! Thank You
the books are alright, but the 3 hour fan edits of Lynches movie on youtube 😊those are the good stuff.. also God Emperor, God Emperor fucks.
oh and the board game! (the original) 💦
Why the fvck did they get David Lynch to direct Dune?
Eraser Head - yessss
Twin Peaks YESSSSSSSS but Dune???
Unsuitable director.
There's a book???? Ha ha ha
I never read the sequels, and I don't have any plans to. The first book just felt complete, and it was so good and so rich that it feels like anything after would just be milking it, cheapening it.
I've read them all. It's like Back To The Future: I'm glad there is more, but also a part of me wishes it was only that first, PERFECT, film.
So it's alright you chose to do that
it didn't
Another great video from our cult leader. Personally, I never really "Loved" Dune. I like it a great deal, but never really understood its claim to greatness. For my money, in years to come, the Sun-Eater series will give Dune a real run for its money. It's similar in politics and empire-ness (?) but has a better plot, with a similar anti-hero type. I had much more fun reading it.
I like the term "became" in the title. Because of what it means considering the history of Dune. Yeah, became. It didn't become for me and it's fine.
But back to why I like the term. The book is out there for ages. But the news of a new Dune movie changed everything... And that's basically it, let's be honest, end of story.
The same happened to LOTR.
The same happened to IT.
We're in a culture in which movies capture people's imagination in such a way that just by knowing there will be a movie about certain interesting fictional universal makes a lot of people start to feel like reading the source. And the longer it takes to release the damn movie, more and more people get into it. So delays end up helping franchises, probably very often.
We're in 2023 and THERE'S NO WAY people would rank Dune, LOTR and IT in the 90's, because the books WERE ALREADY around and OLD, as high as they would today. The difference? The movies!
Of course I'm not taking away anything from their greatness. I'm just proving my point. Popularity has to do with visibility and imagination, not just the quality of the source. It's how the human brain seems to work. And sometimes this is VERY unfair, true, but that's how the brain works. And we can't save every great novel from making thousands instead of billions. Many great novels will never gain the popularity they deserve. Just like many great people.
I also reject the idea of cult or popularity as synonyms of quality and that "every book should become a billionaire". Stop it. No book or person should become a billionaire, for starters.
I like lists as a general idea, as possible recommendation, not to put books in shrines. It's messed up.
Well, all in all, A LOT of people should be thanking movie makers. And it's hilarious that people who would put these 3 books among their 20th best (if this low at all!) in the 90's are now putting on their top 3. After great movie version of them have been released.
Oh, yeah, I should stress that: GREAT movie version, not previously released meh versions of Dune (1984), IT (1990) and LOTR (1978) released decades ago. Those did nothing for the books, really.
Dune was ok. I thought the Fremen were a bunch of ignorant religious Zealots and the Atreides weak, but the Baron was the best character in the whole story. Maybe I will give the second book a go.
Dune is a massively over-rated science fiction book.
Overrated in my opinion. I never understood what all the fuss is about.
Loved the musical metaphor. Dune rocks. 🪱 it was one of my earliest SF reads and I still love it now. Going through a long overdue re-read of books 2 to 6, enjoying that too.