There are still some Kyokushin senseis who insist their students to fight the way these guys do. Usually, it's the old guys who are reluctant to make changes in the way they fight. Also, to them, the Japanese are the best and they are unbeatable - ever! *sighs*
Saiko Shihan Shigeru Oyama (now Soshu of World Oyama Karate), Yasuhiko Oyama, his kid bro and at the time IKO's chief instructor in Alabama, and Miyuki Miura, also IKO's chief insructor in Chicago back in those days. Miura currently runs an independent Miura Dojo.
En este evento tuvo el valor de participar con 61 y pocos kilos mas sino me equivoco , recien salido de una operacion FRANCISCO TAPIA MARTIN. Lo cual tiene mucho merito por que aun sigue haciendo ese mawashi geri con la pierna de delante a sus 60 años oss UN EJEMPLO A SEGUIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@intromix Sosai Masutatsu Oyama made an announcement that he was going to commit suicide if a Japanese man didn't win the tournament so Willie wasn't being arrogant he was simply pissed off that he could have kicked his ass but didn't want to be responsible and run the risk of Sosai doing that if he won.
The Japanese were notorious for being unfair and biased during these early tournaments. Claims have been made, saying that Willie Williams was unfairly treated. He was pissed over something during the tournament.
Darn, now you wanna go and show you're tough, enter in a Kyokushin Karate world tournament. Jesus I'd be crapping my pants if I was the guy from the first video just being 5'7 against a guy who's probably 6'10.
I was under the impression he was being sort of arrogant, almost as there was personal conflict between the two fighters? I should ask my Sensei, he was there and might remember
i entered a karate tournament using Shaolin qwan fa and although i won a few rounds it didn't feel a positive vibe from the crowd watching apparently karate meant the Japanese way not martial arts in general. god was i out of place. XP
personally i find although the darker man was very, very inexcusable for his actions, doesn't it realte to what the other man was doing too? watching the films before i noticed he was doing the same thing - pushing, grabbing, showing his back to the fighter and so on. theyre playing a game of 'who's bigger.'
Yeah, there are LOTS of politics in most styles, THIS ONE IS NO EXCEPTION,, they want any symbols or letters taped off on your gi, and wont allow a black gi (nowadays)
the black guy (and i am sorry for this becuase he is abrother to me) was in defense and not scoring points. He has to at least throw for 3 points. He was not mobile enough. Perhaps he waited a bit to long and I think the decision was prematue but we do not see the clock in the video. But yes it is political to certain extent. Mark
The biggest fix ever. They didn’t want Willie to fight the Japanese champion so they disqualified him. It’s too bad because that would have been an awesome matchup. Japanese thing I suppose; can’t take the chance of losing to a black American and losing face.
Totally embarrassing tall guy lost his mind started showboating would not stop fighting when referee asked him to Oyama should have kicked him out the tournament he has stained the floor with his poor childish ways #.Begs the question why did his own instructor not step up and punish him?Avoid this guy yes he needs to cool down big time what a chump.Every time the tall guy arrogantly turned HIS BACK would warrant a public canning ,total NOBODY.
Richard Allan yeah he was being out of order,, Willie Williams aka Sensei Akhbar was aoparantly trying to prove a point that because he's not Japanese, he most likely would not win the tournament. And was taunting the Japanese fighter showing him that not only is he not afraid of him, but that the Japanese fighter would NOT knock him down or out,, I think Williams got to a point where he was fed up with the politics and was just to the point where he wanted to "prove a point" had he follow the rules of the tournament and kept fighting, chances are he most likely would have won against the smaller guy
@Daniel O Because the deck was stacked against them being a non-Japanese he wouldn't have been "allowed" to win. He could have won the tournament but he was instructed to lose specifically so that a Japanese could be the winner. He was furious about that and defiant of the order to lose so he antagonized Sanpei (the Japanese he was fighting) to force a disqualification rather than to pretend to lose to Sanpei. It was very, very political at that time. I know this 100% accurate firsthand knowledge because I was trained by Soshu Shigeru Oyama directly in NYC and I started in 1982 when I was 12 years old. I knew Willie Williams (Shihan Akbar) to a certain degree too, although he was way ahead of me in rank and status.
@Daniel O You are most welcome. It was a very unfortunate situation and there's more behind the scenes but it was 40+ years ago and time to let that go. Take care, Osu!
Willie Williams is a nut job, lol. Thats why I love to watch him.
ウィリーは、反則しなければ三瓶には勝っていたと思うが、体格ではそれど差がなく、心技体に充実していた中村に勝てたかどうかはわからないな。いずれにしても、この大会は極真が組織ぐるみで日本空手の名誉のためにウィーリーに勝たせまいとしていたことは事実。
ウイリー最強と言われているが
必ずしも三瓶や中村に勝てたとは思わない
3:35 主審が一番強かった…。
@@matktm 「ウイリー最強」のイメージを壊さない為の暴走だったのでは、と思っています。(猪木戦を成立させるために)
幻想に取り憑かれてますね。@matktm
3:36
A wonderful moment when referee Soeno decided to use the judo technique "Ura-nage".
Kyokushin has come a loooooooooong way since those days.
Great video, thank you!!!
Man I never seen Shihan Willie Williams this mad! It was great to witness.
Sensei Christopher Shabazz Why was he so upset?
There are still some Kyokushin senseis who insist their students to fight the way these guys do. Usually, it's the old guys who are reluctant to make changes in the way they fight. Also, to them, the Japanese are the best and they are unbeatable - ever! *sighs*
Pure delusional on the last part . Way too much hero worship. Agree on the 1st part. It closely resembles a real life street altercation.
2nd fight was Nakamura vs Azuma, the founder of Daidojuku (kudo)
WOW!!! w. williams is really crazy! he hits strongly
Saiko Shihan Shigeru Oyama (now Soshu of World Oyama Karate), Yasuhiko Oyama, his kid bro and at the time IKO's chief instructor in Alabama, and Miyuki Miura, also IKO's chief insructor in Chicago back in those days. Miura currently runs an independent Miura Dojo.
En este evento tuvo el valor de participar con 61 y pocos kilos mas sino me equivoco , recien salido de una operacion FRANCISCO TAPIA MARTIN. Lo cual tiene mucho merito por que aun sigue haciendo ese mawashi geri con la pierna de delante a sus 60 años oss
UN EJEMPLO A SEGUIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seiko Shihan Oyama (Now known as Soshu) does the sword demonstration at 1:50 but as for the rest, not sure
@intromix Sosai Masutatsu Oyama made an announcement that he was going to commit suicide if a Japanese man didn't win the tournament so Willie wasn't being arrogant he was simply pissed off that he could have kicked his ass but didn't want to be responsible and run the risk of Sosai doing that if he won.
The Japanese were notorious for being unfair and biased during these early tournaments. Claims have been made, saying that Willie Williams was unfairly treated. He was pissed over something during the tournament.
all demos are from seiko shihan shigeru oyama
Except for the ice break, that is shihan Seiji Kanamura..
In the 70s Williams helped change the perception of martial art dominance!
staninfire1 he just passed a couple weeks ago.
「大山倍達正伝」でこの八百長シーンが出てきて、今見ました。受けたウイリーのやけくそでしたね。「総裁がウィリーの八百長に同意したのは事実です」556p
Darn, now you wanna go and show you're tough, enter in a Kyokushin Karate world tournament. Jesus I'd be crapping my pants if I was the guy from the first video just being 5'7 against a guy who's probably 6'10.
A horrible feeling for Willie Williams. Not being allowed to win. This makes me so incredibly angry and sad.
I was under the impression he was being sort of arrogant, almost as there was personal conflict between the two fighters? I should ask my Sensei, he was there and might remember
intromix let me know
¿en que minuto sale?
i entered a karate tournament using Shaolin qwan fa and although i won a few rounds it didn't feel a positive vibe from the crowd watching apparently karate meant the Japanese way not martial arts in general. god was i out of place. XP
who does the demos?
Grand masters Miyuki Miwura (IL), and Shigeru (NY) & Yasuhiko (AL) Oyama brothers.
personally i find although the darker man was very, very inexcusable for his actions, doesn't it realte to what the other man was doing too? watching the films before i noticed he was doing the same thing - pushing, grabbing, showing his back to the fighter and so on. theyre playing a game of 'who's bigger.'
まさに野獣だ。
オレはウィリアムオリバーの方が好きだったけどね。
I still cannot beleive the final between willie williams vs makoto nakamura did not happen. Even though a non japenese fighter could not win then.
Yeah, there are LOTS of politics in most styles, THIS ONE IS NO EXCEPTION,, they want any symbols or letters taped off on your gi, and wont allow a black gi (nowadays)
分裂前極真の【最盛期】の頃か
ウイリーが最強と言われているが、必ずしも三瓶や中村に勝てたとは、個人的に思っていない
did he really killed a bear or just defeat it?
He didn't kill it.
中村選手がパワー空手なら、三瓶選手は闘魂空手であり、ウィリー選手は自由奔放空手..っとでも申しましょぅか?まこの、三者株揃ぃの貴重な映像を、今こぅして拝見出来るといぅことは、誠に結果としては１番でしたが!各選手の健闘あったればこそ、マタ観戦側のワタシとしましても、２度と起こりえなぃ、この映像をとぉして、試合以外の選手達のマタナニか、学べたよぅな気がします...今日はどぅも、ありがとぅござぃました!。
そうかな～😃
小笠原氏が｢中村師範は器用だ｣との旨仰っていました。もてる力をなるべく無駄無く作用させるのが技なので当たり前の事ですが､印象的でした。何事も力任せでは上手くいきませんが､力に自信がある人はパワーで押し切ろうとする嫌いが有りますね。その点､中村選手は自らの類い希なパワーに慢心せず､緻密な練習で技を磨いていったところにその非凡さが有るのでしょう。
@@noritsunemunemasa5348 中村さんはパワーに頼るのではなく、そのパワーを活かす事に長けていたという記憶があります。
@@bchop5751 貴重な証言､有り難うございます。当に｢技｣ですね。宜しければ､いつ頃どこら辺で中村氏と稽古をされていたのでしょうか。
@@noritsunemunemasa5348 稽古をしたわけではありません。試合を見てそう感じました。
久しぶり見たけど、ウィリー見苦しい！！！
ウィーリーを過大評価しすぎだと思うな！
三瓶選手はスタミナが有るので、ルール内で戦えば体重判定も有るんだから、三瓶選手の勝ちも十分あったと思います。
同意します！
ウイリーはパワーは最強だが
中村や三瓶に勝てたとは限らない
数見−グラウベ戦がそれを証明したと思います。
今考えれば三瓶VSウイリーが反則無でやっても三瓶の勝ちだったと思う。当時は梶原ワールドに汚染されていてウイリーを過大評価していたのだろう。東は日本人同士で消耗しないように中村戦では力を出さなかった。その中村が決勝の相手であれば仮にウイリーが三瓶に勝っていたとしても優勝は出来なかったと思う。でもまぁいくらウイリーが猪木戦を控えていたろしてもこの反則戦はひどかったなぁ。極真（倍達も）としても話題のウイリーを大会に出しかったであろうから大山茂が悩んだ末での指示だったんだろうが
三瓶が最大の被害者だったかも知れんね。
これは、猪木戦を実現させるためだったと思っています。ウイリーが三誠どちらかに敗けた場合、新日サイドは極真王者ではないウイリーと猪木を引き分けには出来ないし、極真側は敗けは受け入れられない。ガチでやるとしても、引き分けですら猪木が三瓶か中村より弱いと思われてしまうので、新日側にリスクが高すぎて対戦が成立しなくなる。なので、こういうカタチにしたかと。
真の世界チャンピオンはウイリー
素人の見方だ
パワーは最強だったかもしれないが、ウイリーは技が粗く、
三瓶や中村に勝てたとは限らない
ウイリーの攻撃も(反則攻撃すら)三瓶には大して効いてない様に見える。
3:35 真のチャンピオンは主審？
Williams has brutal and arogant behaviour and he does deserve shikaku!
No, he was MADE to lose! That's why he chose disqualification.
He would have won the tournament.
Svetlin Bondokov you don't no the story behind it
Well in lighting me osu!
遇到強也是被打
the black guy (and i am sorry for this becuase he is abrother to me) was in defense and not scoring points. He has to at least throw for 3 points. He was not mobile enough. Perhaps he waited a bit to long and I think the decision was prematue but we do not see the clock in the video. But yes it is political to certain extent.
Mark
No, Williams was asked to lose. Read your Kyokushin history.
The black fighter was winning in the fight against the Japanese but the referee disqualified him. The championship might be fixed.
Exactly, even before this facade, the founder had already disqualified Kenny Uytenboggardt from South Africa first.
喧嘩空手だ
Williams kicked the ass of Sanpei
Willie Williams = Baka Gaijin
かわいそうなウイリー 強すぎて 反則するように命令された。
ヘタレの大山倍達が腹を切りたくなかった。
それに関しては、この大会の場合は大山倍達自身ではなく日本選手に腹を切れって言ってた。でも、もちろん敗けたとしても本当に切らすワケじゃなく「警察に注意されて止められた」とか言って済ますつもりだったのではないかと思う。
The biggest fix ever. They didn’t want Willie to fight the Japanese champion so they disqualified him. It’s too bad because that would have been an awesome matchup. Japanese thing I suppose; can’t take the chance of losing to a black American and losing face.
プロレスラー・アントニオ猪木と闘う事が決まっているウイリーを勝たせるわけにはいかない
そういう事ですかね
でも、私個人では、中村がウイリーに勝てないとは思っていません
Totally embarrassing tall guy lost his mind started showboating would not stop fighting when referee asked him to Oyama should have kicked him out the tournament he has stained the floor with his poor childish ways #.Begs the question why did his own instructor not step up and punish him?Avoid this guy yes he needs to cool down big time what a chump.Every time the tall guy arrogantly turned HIS BACK would warrant a public canning ,total NOBODY.
Richard Allan yeah he was being out of order,, Willie Williams aka Sensei Akhbar was aoparantly trying to prove a point that because he's not Japanese, he most likely would not win the tournament. And was taunting the Japanese fighter showing him that not only is he not afraid of him, but that the Japanese fighter would NOT knock him down or out,, I think Williams got to a point where he was fed up with the politics and was just to the point where he wanted to "prove a point" had he follow the rules of the tournament and kept fighting, chances are he most likely would have won against the smaller guy
@Daniel O Because the deck was stacked against them being a non-Japanese he wouldn't have been "allowed" to win. He could have won the tournament but he was instructed to lose specifically so that a Japanese could be the winner. He was furious about that and defiant of the order to lose so he antagonized Sanpei (the Japanese he was fighting) to force a disqualification rather than to pretend to lose to Sanpei. It was very, very political at that time.
I know this 100% accurate firsthand knowledge because I was trained by Soshu Shigeru Oyama directly in NYC and I started in 1982 when I was 12 years old. I knew Willie Williams (Shihan Akbar) to a certain degree too, although he was way ahead of me in rank and status.
@Daniel O You are most welcome. It was a very unfortunate situation and there's more behind the scenes but it was 40+ years ago and time to let that go. Take care, Osu!
喧嘩じゃないんだ。空手はルールあるスポーツだよ。決められたルールのなかで許された技だけ使って、有効とか技有りとか反則とかのポイントで審判が勝敗を決める。
「強さ」だけ比べるんじゃ、スポーツじゃなくなっちゃうし、ウィリーの方が強いに決まってる。