The 88-02 Hornets are the same as the current day Hornets. When they got the name back, they got the history back. There's a reason why the 88-02 Hornets are counted as part of Hornets history
Love this series, except the Hornets and Pelicans teams. The league itself considers the original Charlotte Hornets & Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets to be one continuous franchise that had a short period of inactivity, and the New Orleans/OKC Hornets/New Orleans Pelicans to be its own separate continuous franchise. That’s how these all-time teams should have been put together as well.
This is a scary good team. They don't really have weaknesses. They got explosiveness, 3 point shooting, facilitating, spacing, all time great defense at their respective positions aside from maybe SG and they have big bodies left and right. The one weakness is health but if everyone's healthy i can see this team sneaking into the top 4 in the west. Wouldn't surprise me at all
FYI here's the real Hornets True Ultimate Team (with pre-2002 Hornets added) Kemba Walker Eddie Jones Glen Rice Larry Johnson Alonzo Mourning LaMelo Ball Baron Davis Gerald Wallace PJ Brown Al Jefferson Dell Curry Anthony Mason Muggsy Bogues and here's the Pelicans True Ultimate Team (with pre-2002 Hornets Removed) Chris Paul Baron Davis Peja Stojakovic David West Anthony Davis Jrue Holiday CJ McCollum Brandon Ingram Zion Williamson DeMarcus Cousins Eric Gordon Jonas Valanciunas Rajon Rondo Just a small history note cause it still bugs me about the Pelicans/Hornets dispute thing.
Johnny ways seems more accurate since the team that actually moved to New Orleans was the Hornets. This is just an attempt to rewrite history? Like if a new team is created in Seattle NBA would remove sonics history from the Thunder but this is not how it happened.
@@freesgenit’s not tho. That’s not what happened. The hornets didn’t relocate. They rebranded to the bobcats and the new team was the Nola hornets. Not the other way around .
@@freesgen Johnny isn't accurate at all. When MJ did the rebrand back to the Hornets in 2014, he purchased all the Charlotte history along with the name. The NBA history book reads 1988-2002 & 2004-present. All New Orleans history stayed with the Pelicans. Plus almost none of the pre-relocation players he added played a game in a NO uniform. And yes the NBA has standing deal with OKC that all pre-2008 history will be returned to Seattle once the Supersonics are reborn.
@@douglasmcfarland9040 thanks, though I do take most of these from the HM and the main pick of Arnett's video, I''m just jigsawing it to fit the timeline.
Not sure if your aware, but according to statistics history the 2 franchises must have agreed that regardless of franchises prior history, the Charlotte Hornets take the history of the original Charlotte Hornets team and the Bobcats (meaning all the time a team has spent in that city, the records and stats remain there. And same with the Pels. They are entitled to the history of the New Orleans Hornets. I don't know what difference that make in relation to your video but that's something that happened some years ago now
Yeah The OG Charlotte Hornets 1988-02/Bobcats 2004-14,and current Charlotte Hornets 2014- now are one team, The New Orleans Hornets 2002-13/Pelicans 2013- now are the 2nd team. Look at basketball reference… You got this one wrong.
Jonny, are you planning on doing a video at the end of this series about how you think an ultimate team playoffs would go down? I’d love to see that. This series has been a blast.
Yes! I plan on doing several things to really get the most out of this series. 1: a 5 hour compilation video of all 30 teams. 2: A 2k simulation season, with the reactions from me and my editor. 3: A ranking video, where I give my personal opinion (This may be thrown in at the end of the compilation video).
This series is one of the best basketball series I have seen on UA-cam, especially from a historically sound person as yourself. I wouldn’t have expected the Pelicans to amount to much at first but this roster looking like a threat. Always nice to learn. Thanks for the content as always keep up the good work!!
This team looks pretty strong, but it'll depend on how many games they're expected to play. If it's anything over 3 total games, this team will have a problem: AD will have to sit 2 of them, Zion will have to sit the game that AD plays, and, if the team gets to a finals situation, then Chris Paul will endure a freakish injury that'll take him out of that game.
Where is Eddie Jones? There was no mention of him anywhere. I would have him instead of C.J., based on wing defense alone. There was also no mention of Rajon Rondo, who came up big in lots of those games with Jrue & AD, then again with Boogie Cousins. Special mentions to Mugsy Bogues, Dell Curry, and Tyson Chandler.
That's what I'm sayin. Eddie was a beast. Him and Chandler should be on there. And Muggsy. But then again I think the OG Charlotte Hornets should be on Charlotte & the New Orleans Hornets should be on the Pels.
No way they'd have a shot against all the other great western teams such as Lakers, Rockets, Spurs, Warriors, Thunder/SuperSonics, Mavericks, Jazz, Kings, Nuggets. The Pelicans could get a play-in spot at best
@@hellraiser420 they absolutely do, they're better defensively than all time jazz, kings, mavs and nuggets while having good players for modern 3pt offense. They have no chance to actually beat the best all time teams but they're far from bad. Honestly they're better than all time jazz, grizzlies, blazers, clippers and maybe some more
The starting 5 are far better than I was expecting. Rice and stojakovic are deadly. Defense between cp3, Zo, and AD will be very solid, too. And you’ve got GrandMama if you need an enforcer! I like this team. Like a few others, they lack that “all time great,” but man… people won’t want to face this team. Not super deep, mind you.
According to the NBA, the original Charlotte Hornets (pre-2002 relocation) and the Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets (post-2004 “expansion”) are the same franchise (2002 to 2004 being seen as “suspending operations”) while the New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans are seen as simply a 2002 expansion team with their history exclusively tied to New Orleans and OKC but not Charlotte. This is per the 2013 agreement between the league, the Pelicans, and the then-Bobcats to settle the name and history debate
Find it kind of odd that you're going against the grain and deciding not to recognise the Pelicans as a franchise that began play in 2002 and the Hornets as a franchise that took a 2-year hiatus between 2002 and 2004. It's not like there was a huge break between the original Hornets relocating and the Bobcats starting up.
This is one hell of a squad, all 13 deep. No Rex Chapman kinda seems wrong, but the only one I might kick off, and this hurts to say as a lifelong Blazers fan, is probably CJ. But yeah, great job putting this together.
Loving this series! Pelicans have had some good ones over the years but never in the quantity to get over the hump in the playoffs. Little oversight I had to laugh at though, at the end you had Dell Curry in both columns for the Honorable Mentions. Double honors maybe for giving the world Steph? 🤔
I'm glad you included Boogie even though he only had a very short stint. Losing him to injury, not resigning him, and then losing AD was a rough time for Pels fans.
Great video, Jonny :). I agree that Paul is one of the best PGs ever. He and Rice would be such a great backcourt. I also concur that with Peja joining them, they'd be a tough trio to defend. This team has some of the best shooting among its starting 5. Davis is great too (and I remember how he was able to join the USA Basketball Team before he played in the NBA). He and Zo would be an excellent frontcourt. The Pelicans have a solid starting 5. Shooting, defense, spacing, rebounding, etc. - They have a lot of strengths. I remember Baron Davis too. I agree that he would be a solid player coming off the bench (hard to imagine him as a bench player too, but it makes sense to start Paul). CJ McCollum and Davis would be a superb backcourt too (and with Ingram there, they'd be so hard to stop and double teaming any of them would be risky). This Hornets team has such good offense too. You balanced out the Pelicans' bench well too - especially with Johnson and Cousins and West (at least offensively). Great analysis and video again :). Have a marvelous rest of the weekend :).
Ive enjoyed your ultimate team series except: the Hornets/Pelicans analysis. Dont get me wrong. You built great rosters with how you handled the moving of the Hornets. I get why you did. However, the original Hornets are on the record books with the current Hornets. It even shows that in basketball reference. I think your rosters for both of these teams would be drastically different had you taken this into account. My thoughts are that LJ would be the starting 4 for the Ulitimate Hornets team, and Mugsy and Dell Curry would be more than honorable mentions.
Damn this would be my hidden power team right here! They have a real shot at winning against the other teams...I know there not all done yet....but damn....If there all in there prime? ...OUCH!
I love these videos. Please finish the series. And I have some great ideas for accounting for some players not being on 2K when you do the final tournament. #comment your ideas below
Anthony Mason didn't even make honourable mention list. Had his best season with them and was a legit all-star candidate. Plus his defence would have helped this team.
I think the proper way to divide the Charlotte Hornets and New Orleans Pelicans debacle is by this way; Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats 1988-2002; 2004-present - Alonzo Mourning era - Glen Rice era - Baron Davis era - Bobcats era - Kemba Walker era - Lamelo Ball era New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans 2002-present - Chris Paul era - Anthony Davis era - Zion Williamson era *even though there was an overlap between the Baron Davis era to NOLA, I think it's better to start the New Orleans history when Chris Paul was drafted to avoid having Baron Davis in both teams when he essentially just played for one - the original Charlotte Hornets, but because of the agreement between the Hornets and Pelicans in 2013, we should respect the agreement between their team's history respectively.
This lineup is fire. I’m glad you finally did the New Orleans Pelicans. Personally, I wouldn’t associate any player from Charlotte on this team I want their history and New Orleans completely separated. My roster would be: Starters PG: CP3 SG: CJM SF: Peja PF: AD C: Boogie Reserves PG: B-Diddy SG: Jrue SF: B.I PF: D-West C: JV Additional 3 Big Z J-Mash T. Evans
It's hard to see this as a playoff in the competitive west. Lakers, Warriors, Spurs, and Rockets top 4. Kings, Mavericks, Thunder, and Nuggets probably next 4 and the Jazz and Suns round out the top 10. It is better than I expected though. This team has a strong interior with AD, ZO, and Zion, but you can trust of their availabilities? AD is injury prone, ZO is illness prone, and Zion is simply flat out out of shape. (And LJ had a bad back as well.) If they are healthy, they do have strong rim protection defensively and CP3 would be an excellent point guard to pair with them offensively to set them up while also providing scoring of his own and being a great defender himself. Rice is extremely underrated and he and Peja bring the outside shooting to the starting lineup. It's actually a pretty well constructed roster in terms of versatility and completeness. But are they better than any of the top 10 listed above? Dobut it. Especially since you legitimately can't trust the health and availability of their best players. CP3 himself has also had multiple injury issues throughout his career, often at the worst times. No way I can trust roster to stay healthy through an 82 game season.
For people who are confused with the History between The Pelicans and Hornets. Here is the context. The Charlotte Hornets were founded in 1988 As an expansion team along with the Miami Heat. They Did Have some notable Players over the years such as:Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Glenn Rice, Eddie Jones, Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn Who played for the original team. In May 2002 The Hornets would relocate to New Orleans Due to low Attendance. To Avoid A Cleveland Browns alike law-suit after The Browns Relocated to Baltimore After The 1995 NFL Season. Charlotte would get a new NBA Team later on. In 2004 The Charlotte Bobcats A new NBA Franchise would Expand the teams to 30 teams in the NBA. In 2005 New Orleans Hornets Relocated To Oklahoma City due to Hurricane Katrina 🌀 😳. And They Was Know as The New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets. However Oklahoma Wouldn't get its own franchise until 2008 When The Seattle Supersonics Would Relocate To Oklahoma City and Became The Oklahoma City Thunder and The Sonics and Thunder still shares the same history. In 2007 The Hornets would fully return back to New Orleans. Now here's when things get mixed up. In 2013 The New Orleans Hornets who were the continuation of The Original Charlotte Hornets would change their name To The New Orleans Pelicans. And Then a Year Later in 2014 The Charlotte Bobcats Would Change their name to The Charlotte Hornets. And The Hornets also made a deal with The Pelicans to reclaim all of their history and highlights of The Original Charlotte Hornets from 1988-2002 And The Hornets time in New Orleans From 2002-2013 Remained With The Pelicans and The New Orleans Pelicans Became an Expansion Team From 2002. And The Charlotte Hornets were now inactive from the 2002-03-2003-04 NBA Seasons. And Then They Returned To The NBA In 2004 as The Charlotte Bobcats since The Hornets term was already used by New Orleans. And That's Pretty Much it of their history.
I know he wasn’t an all star but I think Muggsy needs to be on this roster. Idk maybe I’m biased cuz of how much I like Muggsy but that’s what I think lol. Good vid
Not having the future New Orleans players play in Charlotte is more fire for hating how and why the franchise moved. The city loved the team, they hated the owner. I always thought that he should have had to sell the team and get the expansion franchise promised to Charlotte when they left. I guess you missed my comment on the Hornets team, but I corrected you then. Low attendance was a symptom of the problem, hate for the owner was the cause. If they couldn’t support a team, they never would have been awarded the future dumpster fire Bobcat franchise.
I found it hilarious that you tried to explain the complicated history of the franchise and ultimately found it to be so complicated that you got it wrong. The Charlotte Hornets of old (1988-2002) and Charlotte Hornets (formerly Bobcats) of new (2004 - present) are treated as one and the same. The New Orleans Hornets now Pelicans (2002 - present) including their time in Oklahoma is what you should have based this team around.
You snubbed Eddie Jones bro. Definitely should have been at least an honorable mention. But i would have him on my second unit. And probably monster mash starting instead of Peja. Imo. Great vid tho and either way this a scary team
You're not wrong, at least in terms of how the NBA, Hornets, and Pelicans see it. Jonny's the best basketball UA-camr there is, but his stance with these teams goes against what they themselves acknowledge/recognize.
Nice team, nice video... I'd move Brandon Ingram to off guard (better handles & foot speed to go with his light yet athletic body frame) Let Glen Rice play his natural small forward spot, bring Peja Stojakovic off the bench, Larry Johnson can play some small forward as well since this team has a surplus of elite talent players very well suited at the power forward position
So this is what happens when teams aren't allowed to get a fair compensation. You get one team that looks to easily be the worst of the 30 and another one that may prove me wrong about Denver and steal an ultimate playoff spot. It's a shame that Tyson Chandler was snubbed from this team, but that's what happens when you remember, "Oh yeah, he had a 2-time all-star next to him." This team looks like a mish-mash of different directions. Scoring, 2-way, defense, spacing, rim finishers, and post-up. My issue, which may or may not matter in a video game, who knows, is how is this going to be coached. Sometimes having the right plays drawn on CPU can work over and over again with nothing the opposition can do. I'm just not sure if the Pelicans are going to be able to find that and it might cost them down the road. But hey, those are my quick thoughts because I wasn't expecting much of both iterations. See you for the Pistons.
Good team that is balanced at each position but kinda lacking in depth and defense but still they can make the playoffs and give their matchup a battle
Really enjoying the series, but such an odd decision to go against the official NBA history and treat old Charlotte vs new Charlotte as separate franchises. There's no way LJ and Mourning are Pelicans!
Exactly. Thank you! It’s called a sweetheart deal and will also hopefully be the case with the OKC Thunder and Seattle SuperSonics when (if) they return to the league.
It's your video so you can naturally pick how you want but the fact is that you are picking them wrong with the Hornets and Pelicans. The current Hornets 'owns' the rights for the history of the former Hornets and Pelicans are just Pelicans, the new New Orleans team. This is a fact and acknowledged by the NBA aswell. So again Jonny is making a massive mistake here like he did with the Hornets. These facts about the history and legacy of the Hornets and Pelicans were explained to him already in the comments of that Hornets video and he still fails or refuses to take notice how the things actually are in real life.
Would the Ultimate Pelicans/New Orleans Hornets/Oklahoma City Hornets/Some of the Charlotte Hornets make the Ultimate Playoffs?? lol
Yes, they probably would make the Ultimate Playoffs.
@@melvinhhcp3615prolly as like an 8th seed tho
Damn. Eddie Jones doesn't even get an honorable mention?
@@MRWEDAWEST I was wondering about that
It's not really that confusing they used to be in Charlotte then they moved to New Orleans sports teams do it all the time
The CP3 and AD pick and roll would be crazy
this prime AD and prime CP3 too
Cp3 with AD, Boogie, and zion is lob city but upgraded
The 88-02 Hornets are the same as the current day Hornets. When they got the name back, they got the history back. There's a reason why the 88-02 Hornets are counted as part of Hornets history
Ya he fucked that up
Love this series, except the Hornets and Pelicans teams. The league itself considers the original Charlotte Hornets & Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets to be one continuous franchise that had a short period of inactivity, and the New Orleans/OKC Hornets/New Orleans Pelicans to be its own separate continuous franchise. That’s how these all-time teams should have been put together as well.
Ya, This team is a lot better than the Bobcats/Hornets team 😂
Maybe
@TheWiIIiamAfton Kemba might not be better than CP0 but do the all time Pelicans have Al Jefferson?
@TheWiIIiamAfton and yes I’m a Hornets fan with a pfp of Knicks center Mitchell Robinson
Way better squad than I thought it would be. Especially the starting 5.
This is a scary good team. They don't really have weaknesses. They got explosiveness, 3 point shooting, facilitating, spacing, all time great defense at their respective positions aside from maybe SG and they have big bodies left and right.
The one weakness is health but if everyone's healthy i can see this team sneaking into the top 4 in the west. Wouldn't surprise me at all
Davis and Mourning in the paint😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥
They are better on paper. This team has more talent than I expected. I love this series
It would be so cool to put together all these "best teams of _____" in a 2k sim league to see which team has the best "best"
FYI here's the real Hornets True Ultimate Team (with pre-2002 Hornets added)
Kemba Walker
Eddie Jones
Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Alonzo Mourning
LaMelo Ball
Baron Davis
Gerald Wallace
PJ Brown
Al Jefferson
Dell Curry
Anthony Mason
Muggsy Bogues
and here's the Pelicans True Ultimate Team (with pre-2002 Hornets Removed)
Chris Paul
Baron Davis
Peja Stojakovic
David West
Anthony Davis
Jrue Holiday
CJ McCollum
Brandon Ingram
Zion Williamson
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Gordon
Jonas Valanciunas
Rajon Rondo
Just a small history note cause it still bugs me about the Pelicans/Hornets dispute thing.
Johnny ways seems more accurate since the team that actually moved to New Orleans was the Hornets. This is just an attempt to rewrite history? Like if a new team is created in Seattle NBA would remove sonics history from the Thunder but this is not how it happened.
@@freesgenit’s not tho. That’s not what happened. The hornets didn’t relocate. They rebranded to the bobcats and the new team was the Nola hornets. Not the other way around .
@@freesgen Johnny isn't accurate at all. When MJ did the rebrand back to the Hornets in 2014, he purchased all the Charlotte history along with the name. The NBA history book reads 1988-2002 & 2004-present. All New Orleans history stayed with the Pelicans. Plus almost none of the pre-relocation players he added played a game in a NO uniform.
And yes the NBA has standing deal with OKC that all pre-2008 history will be returned to Seattle once the Supersonics are reborn.
These are a very well thought out team for each franchise. I think your choices show respect and honor to everyone. Fantastic lineup for each.
@@douglasmcfarland9040 thanks, though I do take most of these from the HM and the main pick of Arnett's video, I''m just jigsawing it to fit the timeline.
I love this series ! I can’t wait for the simulation
Dell curry so good that he got his name on twice on the honorable mention
That’s definitely what it is, and NOT that I’m just a moron…. 😂😭
Dell isn’t part of pelicans history, he’s hornets/bobcats
Not sure if your aware, but according to statistics history the 2 franchises must have agreed that regardless of franchises prior history, the Charlotte Hornets take the history of the original Charlotte Hornets team and the Bobcats (meaning all the time a team has spent in that city, the records and stats remain there. And same with the Pels. They are entitled to the history of the New Orleans Hornets.
I don't know what difference that make in relation to your video but that's something that happened some years ago now
I already tried to tell him that months ago.
Yeah, I would have preferred he take that approach as well.
Me too.@@MRWEDAWEST
Yeah The OG Charlotte Hornets 1988-02/Bobcats 2004-14,and current Charlotte Hornets 2014- now are one team, The New Orleans Hornets 2002-13/Pelicans 2013- now are the 2nd team.
Look at basketball reference…
You got this one wrong.
Still loving the series
This is actually a pretty legit squad. Only thing is that they don't have a clear cut #1 option. But maybe that's a good thing.
nice catch. Never noticed.
I mean CP3 and AD both were number 1 options, with the Hornets/Pelicans
This team sounds soooooo good honestly
I was ready to riot if Grand Ma Ma didn't make the squad!
Jonny, are you planning on doing a video at the end of this series about how you think an ultimate team playoffs would go down? I’d love to see that. This series has been a blast.
Yes! I plan on doing several things to really get the most out of this series. 1: a 5 hour compilation video of all 30 teams.
2: A 2k simulation season, with the reactions from me and my editor.
3: A ranking video, where I give my personal opinion (This may be thrown in at the end of the compilation video).
@@jonnyarnett beautiful! I’m excited for all of the above!
This series is one of the best basketball series I have seen on UA-cam, especially from a historically sound person as yourself. I wouldn’t have expected the Pelicans to amount to much at first but this roster looking like a threat. Always nice to learn. Thanks for the content as always keep up the good work!!
Thank you Jonny! Can’t wait to see the next ultimate for my Pistons soon! 🙂
Yeah, I can't wait to make that one! The defense is gonna be SCARY
@@jonnyarnett awesome!
The bad boys with Ben Wallace, Billups and Hamilton its gonna be fun. They wont make the finals but the will give any team a really hard time.
This team looks pretty strong, but it'll depend on how many games they're expected to play. If it's anything over 3 total games, this team will have a problem: AD will have to sit 2 of them, Zion will have to sit the game that AD plays, and, if the team gets to a finals situation, then Chris Paul will endure a freakish injury that'll take him out of that game.
Where is Eddie Jones? There was no mention of him anywhere. I would have him instead of C.J., based on wing defense alone. There was also no mention of Rajon Rondo, who came up big in lots of those games with Jrue & AD, then again with Boogie Cousins. Special mentions to Mugsy Bogues, Dell Curry, and Tyson Chandler.
That's what I'm sayin. Eddie was a beast. Him and Chandler should be on there. And Muggsy. But then again I think the OG Charlotte Hornets should be on Charlotte & the New Orleans Hornets should be on the Pels.
@@MRWEDAWEST The OG Hornets & current Pelicans are the same franchise though.
@@melvinhhcp3615 All OG Hornet history was returned to Charlotte when MJ purchased the name for the 2014 rebrand. Pelican history starts in 2002.
@@xfacta334 Aight, lol
They're actually better than I thought not going to lie. They could be ultimate playoffs for sure
No way they'd have a shot against all the other great western teams such as Lakers, Rockets, Spurs, Warriors, Thunder/SuperSonics, Mavericks, Jazz, Kings, Nuggets. The Pelicans could get a play-in spot at best
@@hellraiser420 they absolutely do, they're better defensively than all time jazz, kings, mavs and nuggets while having good players for modern 3pt offense. They have no chance to actually beat the best all time teams but they're far from bad. Honestly they're better than all time jazz, grizzlies, blazers, clippers and maybe some more
Great stuff as usual! And now... *Final Countdown intensifies*
The starting 5 are far better than I was expecting. Rice and stojakovic are deadly. Defense between cp3, Zo, and AD will be very solid, too. And you’ve got GrandMama if you need an enforcer! I like this team. Like a few others, they lack that “all time great,” but man… people won’t want to face this team. Not super deep, mind you.
CP3 and AD are both all time greats
@@sir.muffiniii7011and Zo
@@sir.muffiniii7011 I’m talking top 10-20 players ever. Neither are there, although both are excellent and are super dangerous
@@sirbradfordofhousejones oh ok that’s fair
Love the content man !
I cannot wait to see these teams in 2K… very very impressive as always
I love this series. I spent the whole day watching every episode. Can’t wait for the rest of them.
According to the NBA, the original Charlotte Hornets (pre-2002 relocation) and the Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets (post-2004 “expansion”) are the same franchise (2002 to 2004 being seen as “suspending operations”) while the New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans are seen as simply a 2002 expansion team with their history exclusively tied to New Orleans and OKC but not Charlotte.
This is per the 2013 agreement between the league, the Pelicans, and the then-Bobcats to settle the name and history debate
Starting unit could hold up against most ultimate teams, once you get to bench minutes they're in real trouble, I think.
Was really hoping Muggsy would made that final spot over David West
At the honorable mentions you put dell curry twice. Maybe you can see into the future and meant wardell Curry.
Tf is Peja doing in the Starting 5 😭
Ong bro😭
Because he has chemistry with Chris Paul
Nigga he one of the best shooters ever at 6'8-6'9 fits better than anyone else at the 3 besides glen rice but then what they start bi or ???
First. Great video. Love the series.😊😊
Find it kind of odd that you're going against the grain and deciding not to recognise the Pelicans as a franchise that began play in 2002 and the Hornets as a franchise that took a 2-year hiatus between 2002 and 2004. It's not like there was a huge break between the original Hornets relocating and the Bobcats starting up.
12:00 Dell Curry is such an honorable mention he's on there twice lol
I'd have Jrue as the starting SG. A starting five including him, CP3, AD and Zo would be absolutely lethal on defense.
Dell Curry's contributions to the institution of NBA basketball far exceed those of anyone who made your team
This is one hell of a squad, all 13 deep. No Rex Chapman kinda seems wrong, but the only one I might kick off, and this hurts to say as a lifelong Blazers fan, is probably CJ. But yeah, great job putting this together.
Loving this series! Pelicans have had some good ones over the years but never in the quantity to get over the hump in the playoffs.
Little oversight I had to laugh at though, at the end you had Dell Curry in both columns for the Honorable Mentions. Double honors maybe for giving the world Steph? 🤔
I'm glad you included Boogie even though he only had a very short stint. Losing him to injury, not resigning him, and then losing AD was a rough time for Pels fans.
Great video, Jonny :). I agree that Paul is one of the best PGs ever. He and Rice would be such a great backcourt. I also concur that with Peja joining them, they'd be a tough trio to defend. This team has some of the best shooting among its starting 5.
Davis is great too (and I remember how he was able to join the USA Basketball Team before he played in the NBA). He and Zo would be an excellent frontcourt. The Pelicans have a solid starting 5. Shooting, defense, spacing, rebounding, etc. - They have a lot of strengths.
I remember Baron Davis too. I agree that he would be a solid player coming off the bench (hard to imagine him as a bench player too, but it makes sense to start Paul). CJ McCollum and Davis would be a superb backcourt too (and with Ingram there, they'd be so hard to stop and double teaming any of them would be risky). This Hornets team has such good offense too. You balanced out the Pelicans' bench well too - especially with Johnson and Cousins and West (at least offensively).
Great analysis and video again :). Have a marvelous rest of the weekend :).
Ive enjoyed your ultimate team series except: the Hornets/Pelicans analysis. Dont get me wrong. You built great rosters with how you handled the moving of the Hornets. I get why you did. However, the original Hornets are on the record books with the current Hornets. It even shows that in basketball reference. I think your rosters for both of these teams would be drastically different had you taken this into account. My thoughts are that LJ would be the starting 4 for the Ulitimate Hornets team, and Mugsy and Dell Curry would be more than honorable mentions.
And come to think of it Hershey Hawkins, Kendall Gill, Eddie Jones & Jamal Mashburn all spent some significant time as Charlotte Hornets
Its not confusing at all about the teams. Also still cant wait for the blazer video.
I would love to see ultimate super sonics team, too bad they no longer exist.
Damn this would be my hidden power team right here! They have a real shot at winning against the other teams...I know there not all done yet....but damn....If there all in there prime? ...OUCH!
I love these videos. Please finish the series. And I have some great ideas for accounting for some players not being on 2K when you do the final tournament. #comment your ideas below
Anthony Mason didn't even make honourable mention list. Had his best season with them and was a legit all-star candidate. Plus his defence would have helped this team.
It was wise to keep Zo and Grandma in different units xD I'm surprised by this team's talent too
Could have put all the hornets, bobcats, and pelicans together . Still can't compete with some other teams in your league
I think the proper way to divide the Charlotte Hornets and New Orleans Pelicans debacle is by this way;
Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats
1988-2002; 2004-present
- Alonzo Mourning era
- Glen Rice era
- Baron Davis era
- Bobcats era
- Kemba Walker era
- Lamelo Ball era
New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans
2002-present
- Chris Paul era
- Anthony Davis era
- Zion Williamson era
*even though there was an overlap between the Baron Davis era to NOLA, I think it's better to start the New Orleans history when Chris Paul was drafted to avoid having Baron Davis in both teams when he essentially just played for one - the original Charlotte Hornets, but because of the agreement between the Hornets and Pelicans in 2013, we should respect the agreement between their team's history respectively.
This lineup is fire. I’m glad you finally did the New Orleans Pelicans. Personally, I wouldn’t associate any player from Charlotte on this team I want their history and New Orleans completely separated. My roster would be:
Starters
PG: CP3
SG: CJM
SF: Peja
PF: AD
C: Boogie
Reserves
PG: B-Diddy
SG: Jrue
SF: B.I
PF: D-West
C: JV
Additional 3
Big Z
J-Mash
T. Evans
It's hard to see this as a playoff in the competitive west. Lakers, Warriors, Spurs, and Rockets top 4. Kings, Mavericks, Thunder, and Nuggets probably next 4 and the Jazz and Suns round out the top 10. It is better than I expected though. This team has a strong interior with AD, ZO, and Zion, but you can trust of their availabilities? AD is injury prone, ZO is illness prone, and Zion is simply flat out out of shape. (And LJ had a bad back as well.) If they are healthy, they do have strong rim protection defensively and CP3 would be an excellent point guard to pair with them offensively to set them up while also providing scoring of his own and being a great defender himself. Rice is extremely underrated and he and Peja bring the outside shooting to the starting lineup. It's actually a pretty well constructed roster in terms of versatility and completeness. But are they better than any of the top 10 listed above? Dobut it. Especially since you legitimately can't trust the health and availability of their best players. CP3 himself has also had multiple injury issues throughout his career, often at the worst times. No way I can trust roster to stay healthy through an 82 game season.
Come on man, show some love for Vlade, he would be a great asset to this team
Over who
This offense would be crazy. CP AS Mourning and Holiday would be so good on defense 12:29 12:29
Before the playoffs add an ultimate practice squad.
Cousins would likely be shifted with Jonas and Zion with Dell or Jamal.
For people who are confused with the History between The Pelicans and Hornets. Here is the context.
The Charlotte Hornets were founded in 1988 As an expansion team along with the Miami Heat. They Did Have some notable
Players over the years such as:Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Glenn Rice, Eddie Jones, Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn Who played for the original team. In May 2002 The Hornets would relocate to New Orleans Due to low Attendance. To Avoid A Cleveland Browns alike law-suit after The Browns Relocated to Baltimore After The 1995 NFL Season. Charlotte would get a new NBA Team later on. In 2004 The Charlotte Bobcats A new NBA Franchise would Expand the teams to 30 teams in the NBA. In 2005 New Orleans Hornets Relocated To Oklahoma City due to Hurricane Katrina 🌀 😳. And They Was Know as The New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets. However Oklahoma Wouldn't get its own franchise until 2008 When The Seattle Supersonics Would Relocate To Oklahoma City and Became The Oklahoma City Thunder and The Sonics and Thunder still shares the same history. In 2007 The Hornets would fully return back to New Orleans. Now here's when things get mixed up. In 2013 The New Orleans Hornets who were the continuation of The Original Charlotte Hornets would change their name To The New Orleans Pelicans. And Then a Year Later in 2014 The Charlotte Bobcats Would Change their name to The Charlotte Hornets. And The Hornets also made a deal with The Pelicans to reclaim all of their history and highlights of The Original Charlotte Hornets from 1988-2002 And The Hornets time in New Orleans From 2002-2013 Remained With The Pelicans and The New Orleans Pelicans Became an Expansion Team From 2002. And The Charlotte Hornets were now inactive from the 2002-03-2003-04 NBA Seasons. And Then They Returned To The NBA In 2004 as The Charlotte Bobcats since The Hornets term was already used by New Orleans. And That's Pretty Much it of their history.
I know he wasn’t an all star but I think Muggsy needs to be on this roster. Idk maybe I’m biased cuz of how much I like Muggsy but that’s what I think lol. Good vid
Solid lineup, but where is rondo? The backcourt of cp3 and rondo would have been a nightmare for every team, especially themselves
Tyson not being on it is crazy but there’s a lot of good bigs
Not having the future New Orleans players play in Charlotte is more fire for hating how and why the franchise moved. The city loved the team, they hated the owner. I always thought that he should have had to sell the team and get the expansion franchise promised to Charlotte when they left. I guess you missed my comment on the Hornets team, but I corrected you then. Low attendance was a symptom of the problem, hate for the owner was the cause. If they couldn’t support a team, they never would have been awarded the future dumpster fire Bobcat franchise.
I found it hilarious that you tried to explain the complicated history of the franchise and ultimately found it to be so complicated that you got it wrong.
The Charlotte Hornets of old (1988-2002) and Charlotte Hornets (formerly Bobcats) of new (2004 - present) are treated as one and the same.
The New Orleans Hornets now Pelicans (2002 - present) including their time in Oklahoma is what you should have based this team around.
My best team is:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Eddie Jones
SF: Glen Rice
PF: Anthony Davis
C: Mourning
Yes that is a very scary lineup with length, defense, shooting, and great chemistry
Pelicans got some great centers AD, CP3, Jrue, Glen Rice Good team.
Dell Curry twice. That's how good he was.
this team excluding cp3 has insane length
Not having Muggsy in this list is a crime
So almost everyone that was on rondo's team that year. That was a star. Made this last except Rondo and maybe you could say Nico Mirco
Great video but to me it just doesn't feel right leaving out Muggsy Bogues. Growing up I was obsessed with him, Larry Johnson and Mourning
I would probably start Ingram over Peja, but I understand it from a fit standpoint to start an all time great catch and shoot guy.
I feel like this is a solid 7 seed for the Western Conference playoffs
I think Alonzo Mourning and Anthony Davis, Larry Johnson and Zion Williamson have some semblance
You snubbed Eddie Jones bro. Definitely should have been at least an honorable mention. But i would have him on my second unit. And probably monster mash starting instead of Peja. Imo. Great vid tho and either way this a scary team
Baron Davis is the ultimate dark horse on this roster
Dang man, ya put together a better 2nd unit than first!
Chandler over Cousins and you've solidified it.
A Whopping 75 games for Davis is hilarious
okc hornets played more games than zion ever played
It looks like we are all surprised how good this team is...
Still waiting for my raptors though
Not sure if i would reward Zion with a spot just yet. I may have gone with Tyson Chandler instead but theres no denying Zions massive upside
Bro gave Dell Curry 2 honorable mentions
I never knew the 90s Hornets were the Pelicans today. I've had it wrong all these year😭
You're not wrong, at least in terms of how the NBA, Hornets, and Pelicans see it. Jonny's the best basketball UA-camr there is, but his stance with these teams goes against what they themselves acknowledge/recognize.
You mentioned mashburn here but not with dallas bro?
make some ultimate teams for deacates from 50's to 2020's :)
Nice team, nice video...
I'd move Brandon Ingram to off guard (better handles & foot speed to go with his light yet athletic body frame)
Let Glen Rice play his natural small forward spot, bring Peja Stojakovic off the bench, Larry Johnson can play some small forward as well since this team has a surplus of elite talent players very well suited at the power forward position
BD over Rondo is wild, but CP and Rondo on the same team is asking for trouble, so I guess I'll give it to you.
12:06 Dell Curry is mentioned twice lol
So this is what happens when teams aren't allowed to get a fair compensation. You get one team that looks to easily be the worst of the 30 and another one that may prove me wrong about Denver and steal an ultimate playoff spot. It's a shame that Tyson Chandler was snubbed from this team, but that's what happens when you remember, "Oh yeah, he had a 2-time all-star next to him." This team looks like a mish-mash of different directions. Scoring, 2-way, defense, spacing, rim finishers, and post-up. My issue, which may or may not matter in a video game, who knows, is how is this going to be coached. Sometimes having the right plays drawn on CPU can work over and over again with nothing the opposition can do. I'm just not sure if the Pelicans are going to be able to find that and it might cost them down the road.
But hey, those are my quick thoughts because I wasn't expecting much of both iterations. See you for the Pistons.
Good team that is balanced at each position but kinda lacking in depth and defense but still they can make the playoffs and give their matchup a battle
Really enjoying the series, but such an odd decision to go against the official NBA history and treat old Charlotte vs new Charlotte as separate franchises. There's no way LJ and Mourning are Pelicans!
Dell Curry's name 2 times!
Zion deserves more than third string surely? I'd go LJ and AD at PF/C to start, with Zion and Zo on the bench. Also no Muggsy is criminal!
Muggsy should be on here. As a King's fan, I would never take Cousins. He deserved every T he got. Complete baby.
The history isn't complicated at all. It's like the Browns and Ravens.
Exactly. Thank you! It’s called a sweetheart deal and will also hopefully be the case with the OKC Thunder and Seattle SuperSonics when (if) they return to the league.
@@winnesota. The NBA & OKC already have a deal like this in place for when Seattle returns.
@@xfacta334 That’s awesome! Thanks for letting me know.
It's your video so you can naturally pick how you want but the fact is that you are picking them wrong with the Hornets and Pelicans. The current Hornets 'owns' the rights for the history of the former Hornets and Pelicans are just Pelicans, the new New Orleans team. This is a fact and acknowledged by the NBA aswell.
So again Jonny is making a massive mistake here like he did with the Hornets. These facts about the history and legacy of the Hornets and Pelicans were explained to him already in the comments of that Hornets video and he still fails or refuses to take notice how the things actually are in real life.
No Eddie Jones in the Honorable Mentions???
ok, this team is kinda stacked. 😯😦
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Kb should be on this list with Evans Chandler curry mashburn Wesley that's my hornets roster