Ive been using these now for about 6 months, and im very impressed, im using the larger bench stones the dragon series from venev and couldnt be happier, thanks for making this video
Right on! I'd be curious how much you clean/flatten them, or, what's the indicator to you that it's time to take them to the glass, and are you using the glass plate and grit that is sold by Edge Pro?
@@capnmatt41 im not using a glass plate, so far i just use my dressing stone on my new ones, i had the pheonix stones first, i recently gave them away on my channel, and i basically just dressed them as i use them with a small flat aluminum oxide stone, I do also have a large flattening stone but havent had to use it on my new ones since i keep up with it using my dressing stone, I do sharpen daily mostly super steels, but i dont always use these. I do use them often though, and when it is time il use aluminum oxide powder on a sheet of glass. But keeping them dressed and clean seems to really help also i try to use my whole stone when sharpening, i usually sharpen 1 to 3 knives a day, right now im sharpening a chris reeves knife for a customer
Just got these stones to accompany my vitrified and copper bound CBN and diamond stones. It's encouraging to hear that they lasted you so long, because the abrasive layer is definitely on the thinner side compared to other offerings.
Good tips, Matt. Still on my regular Edge Pro stones, but like the idea of the diamond stones to finish. Also looking to try to progression with 2 or 3 stones like you shared. Seems to be a way to tighten up the process if the results are similar.
I've got the Apex 4 with the standard set of stones and while it works great, I would also like to be able to re-grind knives which came from the factory sharpened to a retarded angle. On some of my knives the factory angle is so bad that it takes so much time to change the angle even with the ceramic 120 that it gets really annoying. So I am considering buying the diamond 80 grit. The idea being that whatever the factory edge is, I would set the Apex to yellow, grind with the 80 until I've put on on a new 22 degree per side bevel and from that point forwards I can always just resharpen it at that angle using the ceramic stones. Would the 80 grit diamond stone be aggressive enough for that?
I haven't used the 80 grit stone and am comfortable enough on a belt now that I do most prep work on a belt and then finish on the EP. I'll invite you to check out this item as well for rapid re-profiling on the Edge Pro: www.americanedgesharpening.com/product/rapid-edge-profiler-for-edge-pro-sharpening-systems/
@@capnmatt41 That looks very useful actually. Especially since I'm just one guy sharpening my own knives so I can't really justify buying a belt sander. But I'm not American, does your store ship overseas to Czech Republic? (Yes, I do get that I would pay more for shipping and import fees than for the file itself, but that's just the reality of being a gun guy and a knife guy in fucking Europe.)
while you mention approximately how many knives you used on a diamond matrix stone you did not address how you maintained your matrix stones. it seems like improper cleaning results in more stone wear than actual sharpening. so, i was just wondering what your maintenance regime was/is. thanks
It sorta sounds like you already decided my cleaning regime was improper. So I want to press pause for a moment and reflect on what that means. If I clean and manage my stones the way that works best for me, even though that might not be your way, or Ben's way, is that improper? It's possible that I clean (/flatten) them more often than others, which I think I mentioned in the video, because I love the way they cut, and I sharpen for money. I don't have a formula that I can share for you, I just go by feel. When they're not giving me the feel or finish that I want, I clean them. I use lots of water compared to how Edge Pro uses them in their videos. And I clean and flatten on the glass plate and abrasive particles that EP sells. If you do have any specific questions around stone maintenance please ask, and everyone should know that your mileage may vary. Thanks for watching!
I think you HAVE to use diamond stones for super steels. Most spyderco knives will just shred a regular stone, and now with magnacut becoming the new “edc carry” steel of choice in most pocket knives, you gonna need diamonds. Spyderco steels are hard to sharpen……but especially MAXAMET, K390, REX 45, CRU WEAR, 4v, 110v, 10v, 15v, etc…..those steels just eat away traditional stones, and even if they do sharpen a bit, they wont sharpen the vanadium and tungsten carbides, so you get a jagged, micro serrated edge. Even with chef knives, we are starting to see more super steels….even the aogami super blue steel used in high end japanese knives……that stuff is hard….almost too hard for stones. You can use stones but they take forever….use diamonds and its easy breezy. I dunno though, something about sharpening knives for me is relaxing, calming, meditative………the noise of a gliding blade on a naniwa chosera stone or shapton glass is ASMR to me. But diamonds are much easier.
@@capnmatt41 I think he's confusing the new diamond matrix stones you're using with edge pro's older original diamond stones that they recommend you only use on ceramic knives.
Forgive my late take on this, glad you guys got it sorted out, but it left me wondering the logic as to why the previous style of diamond stones was recommended to not be used on steel?
Wow, how did you wear out a Matrix stone in 1,000 knives? Edge Pro overdresses their set and they lose about .0005" to .004" every 2,500 knives, depending on the grit. Based on Edge Pros wear rate I estimate these stones should last them between 35,000 and 300,000 knives, again based on the grit. If they would use and dress them as I suggest then you could easily double that.
There are a lot of variables in play here that should be considered. Some of these factors are the size of blade, the condition of blade, the grit in discussion, the cleaning frequency, and more. I expect to never wear out my 4000 grit DM stone, but my 250 gets a lot of use, right? Also, I sharpen for hire so time and quality matter to me. I clean my stones frequently because I want them to cut efficiently. In conversing with Ben at EP he suggested that I might be cleaning them too much. But using a glazed stone isn't worth it to me. I hope that helps, and I think your comment illustrates how many variables there can be and how predictive values cannot always account for all those factors.
@@capnmatt41 Yes there certainly are a lot of variables, and we all have our personal preferences. I NEVER dress either my 250 or 80, well at least as long as I don't use too much pressure, so I am surprised that you dress them much at all. I personally don't like them when freshly dressed as they are abnormally aggressive and leave deeper scratches than they do after sharpening the first knife. Anyway, thank you for posting your thoughts on these stones, I am always interested in what others think of and how they use them. I have a bunch of questions but won't harass you with them, but please let me ask one. You say you use the 250 a lot, what about the 80?
Ive been using these now for about 6 months, and im very impressed, im using the larger bench stones the dragon series from venev and couldnt be happier, thanks for making this video
Right on! I'd be curious how much you clean/flatten them, or, what's the indicator to you that it's time to take them to the glass, and are you using the glass plate and grit that is sold by Edge Pro?
@@capnmatt41 im not using a glass plate, so far i just use my dressing stone on my new ones, i had the pheonix stones first, i recently gave them away on my channel, and i basically just dressed them as i use them with a small flat aluminum oxide stone, I do also have a large flattening stone but havent had to use it on my new ones since i keep up with it using my dressing stone, I do sharpen daily mostly super steels, but i dont always use these. I do use them often though, and when it is time il use aluminum oxide powder on a sheet of glass. But keeping them dressed and clean seems to really help also i try to use my whole stone when sharpening, i usually sharpen 1 to 3 knives a day, right now im sharpening a chris reeves knife for a customer
I’m looking at upgrading the plates on my TSProf Kadet. I’m wondering how these plates compare with the Venev Orion series?
Just got these stones to accompany my vitrified and copper bound CBN and diamond stones. It's encouraging to hear that they lasted you so long, because the abrasive layer is definitely on the thinner side compared to other offerings.
Yeah, they're sweet.
who did you get your vitrified diamond stones from? And how do you like it? Do they wear out quickly?
Good tips, Matt. Still on my regular Edge Pro stones, but like the idea of the diamond stones to finish. Also looking to try to progression with 2 or 3 stones like you shared. Seems to be a way to tighten up the process if the results are similar.
It won't be long before someone asks you about sharpening a fancy EDC.
I've got the Apex 4 with the standard set of stones and while it works great, I would also like to be able to re-grind knives which came from the factory sharpened to a retarded angle. On some of my knives the factory angle is so bad that it takes so much time to change the angle even with the ceramic 120 that it gets really annoying. So I am considering buying the diamond 80 grit. The idea being that whatever the factory edge is, I would set the Apex to yellow, grind with the 80 until I've put on on a new 22 degree per side bevel and from that point forwards I can always just resharpen it at that angle using the ceramic stones. Would the 80 grit diamond stone be aggressive enough for that?
I haven't used the 80 grit stone and am comfortable enough on a belt now that I do most prep work on a belt and then finish on the EP. I'll invite you to check out this item as well for rapid re-profiling on the Edge Pro:
www.americanedgesharpening.com/product/rapid-edge-profiler-for-edge-pro-sharpening-systems/
@@capnmatt41 That looks very useful actually. Especially since I'm just one guy sharpening my own knives so I can't really justify buying a belt sander. But I'm not American, does your store ship overseas to Czech Republic?
(Yes, I do get that I would pay more for shipping and import fees than for the file itself, but that's just the reality of being a gun guy and a knife guy in fucking Europe.)
while you mention approximately how many knives you used on a diamond matrix stone you did not address how you maintained your matrix stones. it seems like improper cleaning results in more stone wear than actual sharpening. so, i was just wondering what your maintenance regime was/is. thanks
It sorta sounds like you already decided my cleaning regime was improper. So I want to press pause for a moment and reflect on what that means. If I clean and manage my stones the way that works best for me, even though that might not be your way, or Ben's way, is that improper?
It's possible that I clean (/flatten) them more often than others, which I think I mentioned in the video, because I love the way they cut, and I sharpen for money. I don't have a formula that I can share for you, I just go by feel. When they're not giving me the feel or finish that I want, I clean them. I use lots of water compared to how Edge Pro uses them in their videos. And I clean and flatten on the glass plate and abrasive particles that EP sells. If you do have any specific questions around stone maintenance please ask, and everyone should know that your mileage may vary.
Thanks for watching!
I think you HAVE to use diamond stones for super steels. Most spyderco knives will just shred a regular stone, and now with magnacut becoming the new “edc carry” steel of choice in most pocket knives, you gonna need diamonds. Spyderco steels are hard to sharpen……but especially MAXAMET, K390, REX 45, CRU WEAR, 4v, 110v, 10v, 15v, etc…..those steels just eat away traditional stones, and even if they do sharpen a bit, they wont sharpen the vanadium and tungsten carbides, so you get a jagged, micro serrated edge. Even with chef knives, we are starting to see more super steels….even the aogami super blue steel used in high end japanese knives……that stuff is hard….almost too hard for stones. You can use stones but they take forever….use diamonds and its easy breezy.
I dunno though, something about sharpening knives for me is relaxing, calming, meditative………the noise of a gliding blade on a naniwa chosera stone or shapton glass is ASMR to me. But diamonds are much easier.
Hi, 👋 на моем канале я просматриваю работу matrix 4000 под микроскопом... Будет много роликов ... И сравнить надо с ALDIM ...
EdgePro do not recommend their diamond stones on steel, you seem to think otherwise. What is your experience with Edge-pro diamond stones in steel?
Could you expand on that? Not sure what you mean. If we don't use them on steel what would we use them on?
@@capnmatt41 I think he's confusing the new diamond matrix stones you're using with edge pro's older original diamond stones that they recommend you only use on ceramic knives.
Yes, agreed. Found out Diamond and Matrix are different. Thank you 👍
@@frenchaccent540 Anytime. 🙂
Forgive my late take on this, glad you guys got it sorted out, but it left me wondering the logic as to why the previous style of diamond stones was recommended to not be used on steel?
Wow, how did you wear out a Matrix stone in 1,000 knives? Edge Pro overdresses their set and they lose about .0005" to .004" every 2,500 knives, depending on the grit. Based on Edge Pros wear rate I estimate these stones should last them between 35,000 and 300,000 knives, again based on the grit. If they would use and dress them as I suggest then you could easily double that.
There are a lot of variables in play here that should be considered. Some of these factors are the size of blade, the condition of blade, the grit in discussion, the cleaning frequency, and more.
I expect to never wear out my 4000 grit DM stone, but my 250 gets a lot of use, right?
Also, I sharpen for hire so time and quality matter to me. I clean my stones frequently because I want them to cut efficiently. In conversing with Ben at EP he suggested that I might be cleaning them too much. But using a glazed stone isn't worth it to me.
I hope that helps, and I think your comment illustrates how many variables there can be and how predictive values cannot always account for all those factors.
@@capnmatt41 Yes there certainly are a lot of variables, and we all have our personal preferences. I NEVER dress either my 250 or 80, well at least as long as I don't use too much pressure, so I am surprised that you dress them much at all. I personally don't like them when freshly dressed as they are abnormally aggressive and leave deeper scratches than they do after sharpening the first knife. Anyway, thank you for posting your thoughts on these stones, I am always interested in what others think of and how they use them. I have a bunch of questions but won't harass you with them, but please let me ask one. You say you use the 250 a lot, what about the 80?
Common sense video. Well done.
Thank you, Steven!
Wista.