Chief vs. Arbiter could be interesting, an alternate version of events where the two never teamed up and fought each other on the battlefield as enemies instead.
Chief would win. It could be argued Arbiter has the equivalent genes of a human for the spartan twos considering his position and higher strength etc compared to a human but chief wins all day due to the reflexes and spartan time chief wins all day long but without armor it's a different story I'm fucking COCKED right now where we're you on today
It's the strongest matchup for sure but I'd have said Noble Six vs Thel Vadaam before he became Arbiter. Like if he were a final boss for reach, would Noble Six be able to defeat him?
Have to say chief would wipe the floor with the arbiter.and it would be even more 1 sided than it was against 6. That be said the arbiter has the tactical mind as supreme commander other than that chief all day.
@@maximus4765 That is a good point. I just thought of Chief vs. Arbiter since the two are dual protagonists in Halo 2 and could easily have come to blows if things played out differently. But Noble Six vs. Thel could very well have happened, now that you mention it. Thel commanded the fleet at Reach and is said to like personally leading ground forces in that one Halo 2 terminal. If the circumstances were different, Fleetmaster Thel easily could have been a boss for Reach, so it would be interesting to see who would be likely to win.
Since luck really is impossible to quantify you could explain it simply with every decision one makes gives you a increased chance of positive outcome. Halsey and Cortana couldn't explain it, but I think Chief's intuition and decision making skills is just better than everyone else and that visually translates to him being lucky.
In Reach, Cortana also chose Six to be her escort to the Autumn. We don't know the parameters behind why, but it's possible she saw a similar amount of luck in them.
Something to consider perhaps is that the Chief was the lone survivor of his Spartan 2 training group. It's described in universe as an inexplicable luck, but there's also perhaps a survival of the fittest element here. The Chief survived for a reason and I always imagined it to be some combination of grit, better intelligence, superior augmentation adaptation, intuition, and situational awareness. In short, he's still alive because he was the absolute best among his peers - and where others see luck, he's genuinely, simply head and shoulders better than everyone else.
I feel the DMR is closer to 6s primary than the AR, but chief's pistol still keeps 6 at arms length there. Nobel team vs blue team might make an interesting video that expands on this
Noble team vs Blue Team ends with almost all of noble team on milk cartons from Linda's sniper, in my opinion at least. 6 is likely the only one who could manage to sneak up on her, of the noble team roster
@@vgmaster-js2zv I think Emile, Jorge, and Six could give Blue Team some problems. Jorge is a Spartan II, Six is hyper lethal like chief (ignoring the hyper lethal retcon), and Emile has CAT II genes and genetically should be superior to most Spartan IIIs
Long term training it is on Chief's favor, but i also suprised how adaptive in both combat and tatic Noble Six was even for a Spartan 3rd Class. No wonder why Carter made his ultimate choice to recruited Six into Noble Team, and it paid off really well.
I appreciate the fact that you levelled the playing field so much on each count, and even went to the extent of armour downgrades, No AI assistance, and age balancing to make it fair. As you say, if they engaged at a date in time, Chief has significant levels of experience on his side, which is an absolute balance against Noble. This isn't about one having plot armour, or luck, or other spin. Chief has, with AI assist, canonically slapped an in flight missile out of the way when he was still "young" comparatively, wheras I don't believe any similar examples exist for any of Noble's generations of such an extreme event. Pretty much each Spartan of Chief's generation ended up specialising in one way or another, be it agility, speed, strength, or other ways. Chief was, I believe, described even by Halsey as "Average", as in he didn't end up with any specialisation beyond his drive to win.
Chief was considered "average" by Halsey but also Hyper Lethal? As in the only one who ever held that title besides Chief was Noble 6. To call Chief "Average" is like a slap in the face to his character. I get it, he wasn't the fastest or the strongest Spartan of his Tier but no other Spartan besides him and Noble Six got the title of "Hyper Lethal" Chief is the Best of his Tier not Average.
@@lionbolt2136 i think that's what he meant by "average" as in physically chief wasn't the fastest or tallest or strongest of his generation of spartans, separate from intangibles, skillset, leadership, etc because he is for sure above average in those regards
@@lionbolt2136 Chief is basically a Jack of All Trades. He's good in all areas with extensive combat experience, but excels in no area. He's a great shot, but Linda has him beat with sniping, he's pretty fast, but Kelly is crazy quick and nimble, he's very strong, but both Sam and Jorge are noticeably stronger. And when it comes to intellect, Chief is tactically smart and pretty intuitive, but even Kat is an egg-headed spartan, and Chief has been caught off guard on multiple occasions, one time almost resulted in him being infected by the Flood. So in summary, Chief is good in all areas, but excels in none. Never underestimate that quality though.
What might be a fun variation on this series is facing two characters off in individual tasks, for example let's say arbiter vs Jun on who'd be more effective at an infiltration mission, who's the better Stealth op, etc.
Even if it's just an example. I don't remember if it was mentione anywhere if the arbiter was part of a stealth elite unit, so my money would be on jun even if he doesn't have something like camo
I absolutely agree with your assessment, it would be close but I believe Chief takes all three variations. I love Nobel 6 but Chief just has that slight edge from his cat 1 augmentations. I'd love to see you do Chief vs Fred, both Spartan II's and Chief has been quoted as saying he thinks Fred is actually better than him but comes in second place to avoid the attention. It would be great to see a match up with the two of them especially since we now have several books with Fred to draw data and comparisons from. Both Spartan II leaders, one a career special warfare operator and officer, the other a grizzled veteran special warfare NCO.
Fred is actually better in hand to hand combat than chief , Linda was also better than chief with arms , the thing chief had was that he was efficient in all aspects of fighting , he was not the best hand to hand fighter but he sure was 2nd or 3rd and same goes for shooting .
@@anthonyespiricueta7493 Thanks for sharing, I'm aware of that already, I'm talking about an instance in the books where chief is thinking about Blue Team and is specifically thinking about Fred. The book states that in Chief's opinion Fred is actually a better/equal team leader and a better tactician, and his combat abilities are equal to or greater than his own , however Fred almost always comes in second place right behind Chief. Chief believes this is a conscious choice on Fred's part as Fred doesn't like being in command and doesn't like the attention that comes with being first place in everything. Chief himself thinks Fred is a better Spartan II.
@fellowperson6406 the dynamic within Blue Team with John (Chief) and the rest of the squad is so natural and intriguing. They were all taken into the program together and essentially developed a family bond, and that almost translates into their combat efficiency. I believe there's a book where it's one of Blue Team's first missions and they encounter unmanned Wraiths, but have no experience using them. Two Spartan take a Wraith each, and the book describes how they almost simultaneously fire the mortar cannons without any verbal communication
I love this very logical breakdown of two characters fighting and using lore to back it up. In my opinion, you took a formula of videos that has become overdone and brainless, reduced to nothing more than shitty fanfiction where both characters somehow come on top, but you made it your own thing and didn't compromise on lore-accuracy. I commend you sir. My suggestion for the next 1v1 is the Arbiter (Thel 'Vadam) vs Half-Jaw (Rtas 'Vadum). It's something I always wondered since Halo 2 came out, and I think it would be a very interesting way to compare their abilities.
On the same slice, how about noble team vs blue team as a whole? Or any other spartan teams vs other spartan teams? Red vs gray maybe would be a good one as well
Blue team does everything what noble team does but better noble could win just by the extra two Spartans tho (if we’re counting blue team as shown in halo 5 Fred Linda Kelly and chief)
Blue team likely takes both times. Even with just the 4 of them, as it has been just those 4 many times before, they have far greater feats than Noble team. Blue team is legendary. Noble team is quite literally a random spartan team.
@@remi2317 Well, Noble Team has SIII's Headhunters who didn't get Mjolnirs for nothing. Although it is indeed a "random" team, I would say it doesn't matter. The feats capabilities are the same or at least similar. Even more so considering how Noble Team became one of the highest priority targets after Visegrad. That Field Marshal hunted down Noble Team because they were absolutely dangerous to what the Covenant was fighting for. And it worked. That team's efforts were vital to humanity. I would say they are resilient and coordinated enough to put up a close fight against the Blue Team
My opinion, I feel the Master Chief would win against Noble Six. That being said, they are both hyper-lethal. But all stuff aside, Master Chief would closely come out on top.
@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 Technically that's what chief kind of was except for customization. He wore standard looking spartan armor, and it was a while till he got some backstory which noble starts with referencing his blacked out oni files.
@lordcaedus8465 The Fall of Reach novel came out before the first game was released. The back story for Chief was in place from Day 1. Noble 6s story was all hype marketing bs for Reach, which was a terrible game.
Strongly disagree. Spartan II vs Spartan III... Spartan II wins in a landslide every time. Especially in Armor, since the Spartan II's Mjölnir armor is a lot more advanced, heavy duty (not to mention expensive). The 3's were made to be expendable, cheaper, replaceable. The 2's were damn near perfect, but too expensive and difficult to keep mass producing. And this isn't any Spartan II, it's THE Spartan II. The best of the best, not to mention the luckiest... I love Noble 6, but canonically this shouldn't even be a question. Edit: Apparently 6 is a special type of Spartan 3, but most of my points still stand. This is Chief hands down.
@agentwolfpl4703 Thanks for ignoring that chief has spent more time alone behind enemy lines literally fighting the entire covenant army on several occasions. You gonna bring up the brute thing, just remember 6 got killed by an elite.
@@wickedblade4751 yeah we ain talkin bout what happened last time with his old team, or the fact that he has never in lore actually heald off an armada..and in lore his scores are mid, go ahead look it up, almost every spartan is better in every field than he is cope
So, those were all straight-up fights. Noble-6 specialized in assassinations, covert ops, and piloting. Chief works best when he has something to achieve or defend. I’d suggest a rematch wherein Chief must defend an installation or escort information/a device/a VIP. 6 is sent to prevent that from happening. Chief knows someone is coming for him, but not when, who, or where from. 6 knows his target but not who is guarding him, what route he’ll take in escort/defense prep, or the precise location of the critical element he needs to eliminate. Go.
Hey there Installation00, I think it would be super cool to see you rewrite the story from halo 4 though infinite. Could be another episodic series. I think it’s no secret that fans have not exactly been pleased with the direction the story has taken since halo 3 but I do think there’s still a lot of things to like, even if I would, personally, change many things. I’d be very curious to see what you could do with this idea.
Personally, I'd give the armed combat round to Noble 6. He was specifically trained to operate solo. Chief can do solo operations, but he's realistically better on a team.
Except for the fact through the majority of halo 1-2 and bits of 3 chief was operating solo, including going into the heart of high charity and the library, among many other things.
@@nicholaswolthuis6019 Not contesting that. But, as I stated, that isn't the way hr works best. Chief was meant to be on a team. Whereas 6 was trained for solo missions. Chief also just isn't that great at stealth either, for those reasons I'd say Noble 6 has a distinct advantage. Realistically he'd likely be able to do his job without Chief even knowing he was there. Really though, its all a matter of luck.
@@Eddiebalog Never. Sanghellis have everything to overcome the Predators. If a Predator can't even win against normal humans, imagine against a giant lizard that is equivalent to super armor superior to super humans and has a sword as powerful or more powerful and dangerous than the Star Wars Lightsaber
I really liked this video. Wouldn't each of their respective field experiences by the time they are 22 affect the outcome of their fights? I got the idea that Six would come out on top due to being used to operating primarily alone, without AI, and maybe having headhunter experience in his earlier years. It would still be close though, both have had a lot of experience and loads of missions wiping out innies and covenant by 22.
MC is just stronger, and more experienced. The S2s also likely had better overall training since they had a smaller class and weren't trained to just die immediately.
@@remi2317 the IIIs were just lower quality in general, even if they had identical training (it was close but not quite as good), they would still be slightly worse just because of how much less strict the parameters were. Halsey's program only had 150 potential candidates, every company of IIIs had 300 that went into the program, that doesn't even include however many they cut out
@proper7439 yeah, don't get me wrong, S3s are still insanely good, but no where near the level of even the worst S2s. Maybe the best of the best S3s were almost on par (not physically but skillwise) to the worst S2s, but they were never quite there. Every s2 is very good at almost everything, with a few specializing even more. They were bred and trained to fight for years. S3s were trained for one mission essentially. Even if their training was on par with the 2s, which it wasn't at all, and the S3 was a cat 2, it doesn't change the fact that the S2 is likely bigger, and just as skilled.
To me Master Chief wins he has the experience the power and the Luck. It would be a close fight but John would randomly find a Spartan Laser and blast a hole throw 6. Respect and keep up the epic work
I propose the underdogs, the unsung heroes if you will: UNSC Marine vs. 40k Imperial Guardsman (Let's say Cadians) OR the Elite Drop Troopers: A squad of ODSTs vs a squad of Elysian Drop Troops
I like this one but power scale is hard for ig depending on the regiment. ODST vs Elysian is one of those ones that I can't decide is fair or unfair, ODST equals special forces which would make Stormtroopers/scions a better shout but the Elysians are so well trained they might be considered special forces in other franchises and are all veterans before joining. Or you have the middle ground between Elysian and Scions which sits the harakoni warhawks. This is tough.
@martinford4553 good points, but I would posit that virtually any of the more well known IG regiments would be considered "elite" when compared to almost any other fictional military. They only suck in 40k because...well...40k. Scions are just next-level elite. The (baseline human) Tier One Operators of 40k. And the match up between ODSTs and Elysians would be fair (in my eyes) because Elysians have the best equipment and training of virtually any non-Scion regiments in 40k.
@@bigz4339 Oh don't get me wrong I know the Elysians don't even suck by 40k standards. These guys and girls are something else, they regularly fight orks even before joining the guard. Not my favourite guard regiment but they are up there. Although while they have good equipment it's mostly on the lighter side which suits them. The odst might be have heavier pieces for once but then again the Elysian effectively has infinite ammo. His accatran can just keep going for longer. Scions to be fair are crazy, up against an ODST I would feel bad for the helljumpers. These guys can deal with space marines. Those poor ODST would be Tuesday for them.
I wonder who'd win between The Rookie from Halo 3 ODST and H.U.N.K from Resident Evil They're both the strong silent type, who survive impossible odds and were both thrown into suicide missions by their superior officers. They both know several firearms and are able to fight off physically stronger opponents (Rookie fighting off The Covenant, Hunk fighting off Bioweapons like Mr. X), they're both experts at stealth and are essentially peak humans in terms of physicality and combat expertise.
I agree 100 percent with the first 2, but i feel like noble 6 may have a slight edge in the final fight do to his role as a lone wolf assassin, possibly leading to a slight edge in weapon dexterity and whatnot, but it would be close nonetheless
6s edge on being a lone wolf as a headhunter is theorised as primarily being an assassin against insurrection leaders so more smash an grabs against humans and less fighting against foes what would actually challenge a Spartan like a elite brute or overwhelming numbers chief however it’s littered with situations where he’s faced foes equal or superior to his skill deeming him more equipped to a situation with a 1v1 with a equal foe
@@kyza6463 yeah that makes sense, I wish we had more lore on 6 to really figure this out because by information we have we can say chief wins, but we don't know about all of 6's achievements again equal or more powerful foes
@@asherogden3056 Chief is also a lone wolf if you played the games or even read parts of the books you would see many many time he was fighting against an army of floods and covenant by himself. In fact Chief mentioned that Marines and ODST are great help but he would rather work alone because they would just slow him down or unless his Blue Team was with him.
@@kyza6463 I don't know the cannon version of lone wolf indicates that while surrounded, being attacked by banshees and wraiths. Noble six was able to fight off an entire covenant army by himself for at least 3 hours before eventually being overwhelmed. Not to mention the evacuation of new alexandria and the follow up mission to destroy covenant jammers show that on his own noble six could easily take down elite brutes, many hunters, and other challenging opponents. So clearly those skills as a lone wolf operator translated to more difficult, capable, and numerous enemies. For what its worth my money is still on master chief, but I think Noble 6 has a really good shot at taking the chief in a firefight.
Not even 2 minutes in and you've already got my full attention, what a way to open a video! I certainly appreciate your no beating around the bush blunt opening along with it.
Noble 6 got a mjolnir armor in 2545 instead of what we see in Halo Reach which he had SPI armor. His file is full of red tape and black ink from 2545 to 2552. He survived over 3 days in the lore in Lone Wolf mission. If you ever thought why there is not much covenent in CE. It's because he buried half of them with himself.
Bro the reason why there isn’t much covenant in CE is because the original Xbox couldn’t handle that many AIs all in one place without crashing. In reach he has Mjolnir
The story of Reach is more like an alternative universe nightmare because the game goes against all the established lore. The fleet of particular justice was in orbit not on the ground, and that was the fleet that pursued the Pillar of Autumn. So know the fact that 6 killed a few doesn't impact the presence of the fleet at the first game.
@@Creatic58I always cringe when people wanna "lorify" things that are clearly hardware limitations. Its kinda hilarious seeing people cut through the BS and just state it plainly. "The reason why you don't see so much covenant in CE is because Noble 6 was so badass" You: nah hardware old
i think the luck of chief can't be discounted. its probably neural physics and/or genetic instinctive memory from his geas. this means he would still have a guesstimation advantage
I thought it was fairly well established that the SPARTAN II candidates were much more capable in every way than the SPARTAN IIIs. The SPARTAN IIIs were designed for fast mass production which limited their maximum performance. It's like a Ferrari vs a Corvette.
@NapalmZ88 people dint seem to understand the lore. CAT2s are at the level of an AVERAGE Spartan II. That's it. They are not special compared to SII they are absolute best case scenario on par. And it really doesn't matter that their training was better because training doesn't equate to field experience.
@@xander.357 better training, augmentations, and motivation over Spartan II. Noble 6 was one of two Spartans labeled hyper lethal. the other being Master Chief. if you go only by physical traits, the S II are bigger and stronger, but to make Cat II you have to meet or exceed the abilities of an S II. noble 6 has feats on par with Master Chief while being smaller and sporting inferior gear. Spartan III were sent on suicide missions like reach so of the 900 or so made there are only a handful of survivors. "The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature."
@NapalmZ88 ok, let me unpack some of this. Their augmentations were not better. They were SAFER and used better technology, but that didn't make them more effective than the augmentations of the S2s. Second, the term hyperlethal doesn't mean anything because it is a nonsense term made up to prop up Noble 6. There are half a dozen S2s with feats that are on par with Master Chief but they didn't get the designation because it doesnt exist outside of the Reach game and thr promotional material for the reach game. On that same note, you mention 6s feats. Please tell me what they are specifically without reference to Reach or its promotional material and nothing vague like "he made entire milita groups dissappear. He was a Saber pilot. " I could pull out a dozen novels and give you canon feats from master Chief and again other spartan 2s. Also, cat2s were labeled similar to S2s based on genetic markers, not ability. And you're also incorrect about the number of S3s left. The majority of gamma company survived the covenant war and were operational til somewhere between the events of Halo 4 and 5. Atleast 100 of them let's estimate.
I love Noble Six. They are the perfect blank slate for you to insert yourself in. But as much as I love them, there is no universe in which they win a fight against Chief.
I think people forget that although, yes, Spartans like Noble 6 are exceptional even among their peers, the spartan 2's were literally hand-picked from across human space for being genetically superior, then given the best training available from the youngest age, the best, yet riskiest augmentations out of any spartan to date and thrown into the fire both with and without Mjolnir armour. The "worst" spartan 2 would still be a cut above any other generation, unless you somehow levelled the playing field with technology. The closest in a straight up fight would probably be Gamma company due to their tendency to go "beserk" without using blockers, but that introduces a whole tonne of other issues, including a loss of tactical capability.
I would love to see you cover Metroid lore to be honest. I don't think Master Chief could be able to take Samus but I think he'd give one heck of a fight.
the most common crossover fight i see on various forums is the Spartan 2/chief or whoever VS Warhammer 40k space marine. To me the space marine wins every time
I feel it honestly depends on the space marine and what chapter they are in. I feel it also depends on if they can use all weapons from their universe that are hand held that they generally use. I feel the space marines win 9 out of 10 times but I wanna see what happens if a spartan is given plasma weapons.
@@traehanson6013 I guess Spartan 2 Vs space marine is too broad a concept, there needs to be some rules. How about a space wolf with a thunder hammer Vs Spartan 2 with gravity hammer?
Chief is as strong if not stronger, as durable in his titanium plating and shock absorbing gel layer, if not more so due to the energy shielding, faster (can maintain 60mph running speed without damaging mjolnir) and likely has a better reaction speed
@@charles-vi7qb I agree that the shields and the reaction times for Spartans are basically instantaneous. It's just the space marines armor that I would be worried about
Well yeah, he was just dialing it back and forth so that when combating, they're both as evenly matched as possible, which puts Chief younger and in armor he no longer wears just to give 6 a chance. In the year 2552, Chief fighting Noble 6 is a hands down Chief wins situation, he has the experience, the augment adaptation from years of fighting as a Spartan (the augments, or at least some of them, were said to become stronger as the Spartan aged), and overall just the technology advantage since he can wear full MJOLNIR armor where as I'm uncertain if Noble 6 can wear more than just SPI grade armor. The Mark V [B] (and the lineage of armor specs that followed it) was supposed to be the first attempt at putting Spartan 3's in MJOLNIR grade armor iirc. There has been debates of whether or not Spartan 3's were already wearing MJOLNIR grade armor and while it sounds correct, the whole point of S-III's was to make cheaper Spartans, which meant putting them in cheaper armor, hence SPI. MJOLNIR armor usually costs a lot more than just an arm and a leg to make even 1 set, so if S-III's did have MJOLNIR grade armor, it's probably stripped of everything that makes it so renowned.
I agree with you. I've always believed Spartan IIs to be superior batch against the IIIs (and even IVs). Even if the Spartan Is (Orion Project) was successfully, the IIs were the tip of perfection across the whole Spartan programs. As much as I love Noble Six (that's my Spartan, the one identify with on a personal level), I just have to give the win to the Chief. My belief is that any Spartan II has a leg up against the Spartan IIIs and IVs. Spartan IIs have the most experience and training aginst any Marine, ODST and the Spartan IIIs and IVs they are serving with along their period.
@@ndositwechizimbi7299On average an s2 is beating an s3. But there are outliers such as noble team. To be exact, Noble team is composed of all CAT2's(besides Jorge), meaning they have the genetic markers that Halsey used to select her S2's. CAT2 were given Mark V(b) , which is literally identical to Mk4, with the addition of test bedding energy shields and armor abilities. Given that S3 augmentations and training are said to be superior to that of S2 (Kurt said as much), a fully matured CAT2 Spartan 3 will be superior to your average Spartan 2. Now this does not apply to Blue team as they could be considered the CAT2 of the Spartan 2 program.
"he wasn't the biggest that was George, he wasn't the strongest that was Sam, he wasn't the best that was Carter, he wasn't the smartest that was Kat, he was just... the bravest"
The fact that 6 got his hyper lethal rating from his work assassinating other humans should effect the combat experience in round 1. Chief just smashes grunts
Here's an even BETTER idea for a versus match, Spartans from Halo vs Witchers from The Witcher series. Both are biologically enhanced super soldiers designed to compete with and protect humanity from beings much greater than your average human, big difference is that one uses swords and potions while the other uses guns and sci-fi tech.
One thing nobody really realized when it comes to their height was that IIs got a thyroid implant. IIIs never got any augment for height, they're just tall cause they have more precise genetics. My theory is that IIs were made taller for intimidation reasons(cause they were supposed to fight the growing Insurrection). While the IIIs were made to be downright killers, and you don't need height for that.
Chief vs Ironman (different iterations) For years I’ve been back and forth with the community on this one! I enjoyed your video you made years ago about the topic but I need more!
@@guilliman1990 depending on version yes to a degree. Earlier versions of armor not a hope. His best defense is stay in air and long range shooting. He’s not capable of beating him in melee. Ironman is stronger but slower.
Love the video very accurate and detailed as always the only difference I would have done in the video is I would have done both Spartans in the same armor And both in their prime that way the differences in their abilities would have shown more Again great video thank you for taking the time you do
Pretty good comparison. Ultimately the true answer is 'it depends on the circumstances', but that doesn't make for much of a discussion. You took the smart route when it comes to trying to compare two fighters, which is to take them in their absolute most objective state, but if it were ever a real matter of what happens in an actual fight, it'd just depend. They're too close in skill (which is what matters more than augmentations and armor in an actual fight with weapons and armor) to say that their fight would be anything less than determined exclusively by how it goes down.
He would have lasted exactly as well as noble 6 did no better by any means. Just because you may win, and I emphasize “”may”” win in a one on one that does not mean you are better in war on the field against the enemies. One on one Duel and war are not the same thing.
Defo glad to see a logical breakdown for a 1v1. no huge age gaps that make overwhelming experince advantage, no compromise, or anytihn but a legit 1v1 on realativly even footing. also would love to see Sgt Johnson vs Sgt Forge lol
What about the Chief vs Alcatraz or Prophet from the Crysis series. Enhanced soldier vs Enhanced soldier. Would be cool to see, I was honestly trying to think of others and im sure there will be plenty of great suggestions, but this was just the first thing that came to mind when I thought of comparable "augmented" soldier type characters.
Cool idea. But Prophet and the boys are only enhanced through their suit. If we are putting Prophet in his Crysis suit, vs Chief in his Mjölnir armor... there's absolutely no match. Without their armors, Chief accidentally kills Prophet in one single punch or kick. Prophet in his armor, vs Chief without armor - that's the closest you're gonna get to a fair match-up. But my money would still be on Chief.
@@ImHerbert-moon Prophet is almost big as Chief And i dissagree on the speed and strength Prophet can sprint up well over a 100kph And can lift just aamuch as mc
Possibly, but if we look at real-life scenarios like UFC or boxing, they have weight classes for a reason. A lighter fighter may be more skilled but would lose to a fighter in a heavier class. Also, we can't forget that Chief probably had hundreds of hours sparing other spartan 2s both in and out of armor. I honestly don't know much about 6s lore, so I can't argue a counterpoint to my statements.
I feel like ufc isn't a good reference for real life fights you can't even elbow. Especially considering Spartans are shown to mess brutes up who are easily 3x the sir of a spartan suit. Unless lore came out that 6 had been hunting chief level targets from day 1 and they both fought at 22. Not much would change. On paper 6 has better training but the shear amount of near death chief has come by. He's much better equipped. Reach was 6's time to shine and he did it but not as well as cheif
I don't think it would matter, John almost killed ODST's by accident because he didn't pull punches. Judging by the differences in augmenting in the spartan 3 and 2 program, I'd say chief could just endure any hits that land
@@logangrimnnar5976 maybe, but it would depend on the situation at hand, personally chief wins all 3 rounds... assuming its how its said in the video and in a pretty much open space with some basic covers. however in a space with more places to hide, move through stealthily, etc, noble COULD win round 1 and 3 as his training was directly tied for those environments and situations but would still lose in round 2 due to what your mentioning though i dont remember exactly but odst was a far weaker group than chief and noble 6 if i remember correctly. they didn't even have shields if i remember correctly. now this is assuming chief DOESN'T have his ai, WITH the ai stealth no longer matters including landscape, cover, etc, chief bodies noble all 3 rounds
i would like to think that the more slow gradual build of making your bones stronger and more resilient while taking time would ultimately work better and probably be more effective as it follows the normal human body’s way of operating for example when you work out it takes time to see results as your body has to constantly break down and build back up your muscles so noble six might actually be better off then master chief having his bones automatically hardened and made more resilient as it could negatively effect the human body and if in the future we actually were to make such modifications or augmentations like stronger bones or muscles i would actually propose the idea of a more gradual build up as opposed to instantaneous strength as it could and most likely would have negative impacts on the human body and could even go as far as crippling people or killing them by accident
Chief, completely Even arbiter's line when johnson jokes about them killing each other is "Were it so easy". He knows taking on chief would be a really tough challenge.
@@scarclaw72elites and Spartans are evenly matched in strength it comes down to the individual chief is average amongst amongst the sII thel is up there definitely superior duelist/hand to hand combative to chief, thel is a better tactician and commander chief would be a better marksman chiefs armour would be superior it’s tough but hand to hand no armour thel hand to hand armour even in a firefight chief commanding and army thel
@@remi2317 one could argue thel nearly killed jai the reason for thel being scared in that encounter bc it was a faceless enemy what showed no sign of struggle even tho Spartans certainly do struggle they just don’t show it
On paper and logic, Master Chief wins because he is an upgraded version of Noble 6. But there is one thing you can never quantify is someone’s ability to persevere even when the odds are stacked up against them. If you play the metal gear solid games, that is why solid snake beats people who are superior than him because he doesn’t give up and very resourceful. In closing, my heart goes to Noble 6 but my brain goes to Master Chief. I like Noble 6 as a character more.
You also have to think, Noble 6 was hyper-lethal bc of his lone wolf ability whereas in Halo 5, they talk about Blue team being together forever, so that’s how Chief got his hopelessly hyper-lethal status. That’s why I think 6 has the advantage
One is an assassin oriented badass and the other is the scariest thing to walk on the ground since the Cretaceous period that has yet to find an enemy that can keep him down
Also..i dont know much about noble 6's augmentations, if he is a spartan 2 or what? But hes known for being a lone wolf just like cheif so that being said. Cheif isnt known for his stealth but doesn't mean he isnt capable of it. Cheif is simply a tank in the battlefield. He single handedly destroyed an ODST team as a teenager with ZERO armour lol. I feel in the ends cheif would crush noble 6 🤷♂️
Noble 6 was a spartan III, so almost all of his augmentations were lower grade than Chief's (there were a couple, like their vision, that was slightly better)
One factor that I think deserves more recognition is that S2s were trained to primarily face an opponent who was known to be physically, intellectually, and tactically inferior (Insurrectionists). Though S3s had 2yrs less training. They were recruited and trained to defeat an opponent who was known to be physically, technologically, and militarily superior (Covenant). It is also worth noting that Curt had ONI access to mission and military records. This means that, in addition to having been trained under the man who trained MC in a facility that was directly commanded by a S2 who possessed firsthand experience of MC's pros & cons in battle, N6 would have potentially had years to study and account for all of the aforementioned differences between he and MC. In a time & reality warped scenario where MC and N6 are approximately the same age and are - more or less - equally armed, I don't think that this is a clear-cut fight. MC likely wins in most simulations. But at 25, MC is making the history that has been programmed into N6 since he was 9yrs old. In the infamous words of the 1980s GI Joe cartoon, "Knowing is half the battle."
I would *love* to see you tackle a standard Spartan Team vs the Guardians of Destiny. Either a 1v1, 4v4, or even a “ship X from Halo vs the Last City.”
Guardians win 10 out of ten times. It’s hard to powerscale an mmo but Guardians have easily taken on multiversal beings. It’d be closer to compare Guardians to Doomguy than the Chief
@@Prophet311 Yeah, they _say_ they fight multiversal beings, but… I dunno, there’s a lot of grey area in that franchise. Hence why I think 00 should look into it. He has a good way at carving away the hearsay and getting to the truth.
@@SchneeflockeMonsoon I've agreed on this for a while. It's a far more interesting comparison. There are lore feats for Guardians which no Spartan could replicate, even physically (Some titans may actually be physically stronger, off the top of my head), but I do not think any one Guardian comprises the complete physical and psychological package a Spartan offers. Take away their paracausal abilities, and I think they start to lose in most engagements. Titans are strong, for instance, but are they fast? Warlocks are smart, but can they flip a tank with their hands? Hunters are sneaky, but can they go from slitting a throat to throwing a telephone pole with a speartip into a giant hulking monster charging straight at them hard enough to clothesline it to death? I'm also not sure any Guardian can quite match the reaction times Spartans are known to exhibit. Perhaps there's a feat somewhere in the tomes of lore Destiny has which I've overlooked, but they seem to be much closer to human baseline in that area. Then you have intangibles. Smart AIs in the SNI vs. the Ghosts, for instance. There isn't a clear-cut answer on these things, either way, especially when you factor in things like how Spartans are highly effective in teams, but tend to offer a more complete skillset than a Guardian would have alone (Which is not to say they aren't incredibly deadly alone, just that they're more specialized), but Guardians are intended to fight in teams and have complimentary skillsets which asymmetrically scale, probably more so than the level of benefit Spartans have from working together (Which, again, is not to say there is _no_ benefit, just less in relative terms). Then you have other factors like how durable or powerful or flexible certain pieces of technology are. One thing a _lot_ of comparisons tend to overlook is the exact level of firepower available to each side. People tend to simply gloss it over and assume they're roughly comparable, but for instance, what if one side uses weapons capable of punching right through a fully-charged MJOLNIR's shields, suit, and occupant, or the other side has peashooters the shields would barely notice? One cannot simply take these things for granted, they need feats and measurements done. It would require an _extensive_ breakdown of lore to perform a cross-series analysis. Destiny is paradoxically a universe where humanity is far worse off than it was even in the darkest chapters of the Human-Covenant War and the Created Conflict, but a lack of extrasolar colonies or the FTL capabilities needed to make them notwithstanding (And it seems like the technology and infrastructure to make this happen exists, but 40K-ish space horrors simply prevent easy departure from Sol), but where a lot of humanity's tech is significantly more advanced, and potentially more powerful to boot. Shields and directed energy weapons took decades of research and incredible sacrifices for the UNSC to obtain even in a very limited fashion, while in the Destiny universe, they came up with them before first contact with hostile alien races ever took place, just as one example. (Up to and including weaponizing black holes. In man-portable rifles. Some of those feats are _very_ crazy, more so than people not deeply immersed in Destiny's lore would realize.) I do not recall seeing anything exactly equivalent to a MAC weapon in Destiny, though there are certainly weapons which could be comparable or even far greater in destructive power. They're just rarely used so we don't have as much information on them either way. Their tactical utility, ease of manufacture, ease of deployment, ease of use, uptime, etc. On the other hand, humanity managed to bounce back and even start recolonizing in Halo, with them eventually managing to terraform and begin to resettle Reach a few decades after the events of the series to date. In Destiny, while recent events have seen humanity defeat even galactic or possibly extragalactic empires, it has struggled to regain lost territory since existential threats keep getting in the way. Installation00 would need help. Perhaps a collab with My Name Is Byf, or Myelin Games? He needs a detailed understanding of the lore and the only way to get that quickly is to ask the foremost experts on it.
@schneeflockemonsoon4224 Unless a spartan can obtain a paracausal infused bullet they ain't killing a guardian. They could probably kill the physical body but the ghost is a whole other question, only 2 ways to kill the ghost, paracausal bullet or sheer strength to crush it (which tbh this could actually factor into the Spartans having a higher chance) Only issue is the Spartans wouldn't know this, as it would be their first time fighting a guardian and wouldn't know the ghosts purpose until it resurrects the guardian giving the guardian the chance to fight back with renewed knowledge of their opponent. Plus guardian have access to weaponry far superior to that of what a Spartans holds, and let's not forget that the moment they pop their super, the tide of battle could easily change. It's a very rough match for a spartan if you ask me, but I won't lie, it would be an interesting fight.
@@horrorpleb249 Quite possibly. I just have to wonder if the Spartan will speed blitz the Guardian, see them come back for more, then see the Ghost bring them back again and go “oh sh^t, the flood!” and then smash the ghost against the floor until it stops making things they make dead not dead anymore.
STEAKTACULAR! That said, one thing not factored in here is how they operate/would go about a fight with another spartan. That in itself would be a whole video I reckon. In other words, it'd be down to an analysis of lore as a whole about both to determine if Chief or 6 would win a fight. I'm not surprised the big boy won though, he is a ginger and I know first hand, they're just built different
Now I'd like to see how Six would have fared against Atriox. A guy who put the fear of god in an army of Covenant all by himself before finally succumbing would definitely be interesting to watch take on the one Brute who gave Chief trouble.
After the captain America video I thought it'd be cool if you did one on the punisher BUT I realized he would probably never accept the augmentations. Then I imagined it would be really funny to hear a Prof. Halsey type reading their findings on his psych evaluation in regards to Spartan candidacy lol
I think it'd be cool to do one of these videos with Samus Aran or Doomguy, or both. I feel like Samus can hold her own against either, both out of and in armor, as she is far, far stronger and faster than a normal human. And yes, I know Doomguy is immortal, but he can still lose. Being immortal doesn't mean he's indestructible.
If its the Doom Slayer, then Samus just gets neg diffed as Doomguy has spent eons killing very powerful demons, being unkillable and only using guns because he finds them fun.
I agree with everything you said. You stuck with the lore. Only a couple of things I have to correct you on(still would not have changed outcome) 1. 6 was a "Cat II S-II" actually was called a SPARTAN-III of Beta Company, hence why his Serial number is SIERRA-B312 The only difference between Alpha Beta and Gamma companies was Gamma had an aggression enhancement and Alpha was older with more field training. 2. If Chief is gonna use the Mark V you want to give him the MA5B Assault Rifle with 60 round capacity and the M6D Magnum with HE .50 cal rounds. To balance it I would replace S-B312's M6G with an M392 DMR, while it shoots the same rounds as an Assault rifle it has more power to it. With Both chief's pistol and 6's DMR clearing Shields with 4 shots. Everything else was peak but with everything I said above it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Besides, if the two ran a test on the Wargames Simulator... well... live rounds would have been used anyway.
I would take into account the kind of training they both received as well. Chief was trained as a standard spartan 2 for the most part. Six was separated for being exceptional and given additional training as well as whatever ONI gave him to be a "hitman" basically. One trained to work in a team for the most part and the other trained to work alone for the most part. If you look at their training it would broken down very simply be an assassin vs a commando. 1v1 I would say a clear win on Sixs part if they're almost even everywhere else like was shown in the rest of the video.
@yigitbey1486 even if the upgrades are comparable, Chief's size gives him a massive advantage. Chief's augmentation is better because it can achieve the same level of performance but also makes him much larger. It's more impressive when someone is near 300 lbs and can run a 4.5 sec 40 yard dash than someone who is sub 200 lbs
@@daltonburroughs3811 I've not watched the video yet but if I remember correctly, Chief and Six are almost the same in height and build. Like the other comment said mentioning CAT2 spartan 3s, they could have been spartan 2s effectively Edit: Watched the video and the rust is off of my mind, OP made good points!
@bluairsoft2671 Chief has quite a bit of weight on 6, Chief is at least 5 inches taller, and is stronger while being just as fast. Spartan III's were smaller in general due to the differences in their augmentation.
Actually i’m pretty sure Spartan 3 augmentations are just as good, except they’re chemical based. Spartan 2’s go through surgery to do it, and according to lore some Spartan 3’s were good enough that they could’ve gotten Spartan 2 augmentations. If Six is the only other Hyper Lethal Vector, I don’t find it hard to believe he could be one of them. Also, Spartan 3’s have harsher training. But you’re right, Six outside of armor is 6’9” and 239 lbs, if Halopedia is correct. If they’re not, then I doubt Six would be any smaller.
I personally think 6 would win as, before joining Noble Team, it was his job to hunt down rouge Spartans. Chief either had never or rarely gone head-to-head with other Spartans whereas that's what 6 did as a living, so 6 has much more experience fighting other Spartans than Chief does. Chief is used to fighting insurgents and the Covenant whereas 6 is used to fighting insurgents, the Covenant and other Spartans.
Agree on all but one point, chiefs strongest point was his leadership and ability to work in a team, he had to adapt to being a lone wolf on installation 04. In this respect, I think 6 would probably be a better weapons handler as he would’ve had to rely heavily on them during his time operating solo
I mean to be fair both are pretty good motivations One is where you had your childhood erased so you can spend countless hours every day and night to train to become the best soldier alive and the other is watching your parents die and training until you can fulfil that revenge
Also in the last category of the weapon battle, you mentioned the extra 2 years of field experience as well as 2 more years of training which would also give Chief a slight advantage in the fight because his knowledge of in field battle tactics and being able to adapt and survive longer.
Noble 6 can win it's not too impossible for him to win but he would have to try harder and fight preciously . Noble 6 have great chaces if he had Spartan 2 augmentations and also Noble 6 is great fighter in hand to hand combat .
Best debate/ discussion on a character vs. Character I've ever seen. Great job, man! I agree with you, I feel like Chief would win in every scenario, but I feel like it would be somewhat close, though Chief would always take it home.
Awsome video I'm glad you rectified the lore when It comes to 6s strength as I'm 19 and cal lift 125kg off the floor so if 6 was only 25kg above me that would make no sense
I am so glad that someone finaly recognized that the 2s and 3s had very similar augmentations. Often people always say chief whipes and its not even a chance because hese a 2. When really the only thing that makes a big difference is that typically 3s were fiven a lesser for of the armor unless they were in noble team or a head hunter. Dispite them having similar augmentation i can agree a 2 would win because of the clear size differences and extra training.
As others have said, great job at keeping this as fair as possible and keeping a great eye for details such as age, armor technicalities, etc. The easy/lazy option would be to just give chief all of his clearly overpowered and futuristic armor compared to 6, but you rightfully so tried giving the match a more realistic touch and were willing to knock chief down a peg for the sake of consistency. Much respect to you and keep up the good work!
I’ve seen a Reddit post showing a hypothetical scenario where the remainder of Noble Team escaped Reach with the Pillar of Autumn. It would be cool if we saw a what if, with Emile, 6, Carter, and Jun were with the Chief. Also a Chief vs Tartarus scenario would be sick to see. Or if Chief and Arbiter were switched in situations where the gravemind sent them in the opposite’s locations.
I dont think youd ever do it due to the can of worms, but I think a "most detailed breakdown" of an astartes series followed by a spartan vs astartes would be neat! Great vid rho!
This was a great video. While I understand wanting to ignore Chief's inherent plot armor to make the fight fair, I still think it needs to be mentioned. Chief isn't lucky. That's not canon and hasn't been since before Halo 4. Hundreds of millennia before Halo CE, John was concieved as a Didact killer and designed to be unkillable by the Librarian, who inplanted his blueprints into Humanity's DNA. Six was dead long before the fight even started because all Spartans who aren't the Master Chief are just crude imitations of the Foreunner Librarian's design. I'd love to see more matchups like this in the future. One that immediately comes to mind is a battle royale between every known Arbiter throughout the Covenant's history.
I would love to see other prominent cyborg warriors facing off against the Chief. Some big ones I'd like to see are: Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 vs: - Adam Jensen from Deus Ex - Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk - Alcatraz from Crysis
A one on one is a different thing from fighting your opponents in battle, not necessarily the same thing. Even if one is better in duels does not necessarily mean he is more efficient in war.
Well chief is winning again on a battlefield he’s a better commander noble’s history is as a lone wolf or headhunter so more towards sabotage then out right firefights
@@kyza6463False, Chief does not win in Battle Warfare, if anything I would say B-312 wins when it comes to Covenant battle warfare since he is a third generation Spartan designed and trained to specifically fight the covenant rather than Chiefs generation being designed to fight human rebellions. Chief may have the upper hand in hand to hand battles due to him being slightly bigger, but that’s it. No other difference between the two.
@@DivineHellas chief was fighting the covenant for 20 years before noble 6 even left training and he was immediately pulled out after training to be a head hunter and fight as a lone wolf against insurgents it wasn’t until 2552 the legit last year of the war he joined noble from what we know he may of never fought covenant till then I haven’t found anything what says other wises
@@kyza6463”from what we know” Key words.. from what we know. Thing is, we know almost literally nothing of B-312s background while we know a lot of Master Chiefs, so that fact alone makes it impossible to even make a comparison between the two based of their history and career. Which is why that argument of yours isn’t a legit one. It’s like knowing 1% of someone and knowing 90% of another and based of that make a comparison, it simply isn’t logical.
@@DivineHellas in the video it’s stated this match up is based on what we know we are making a comparison of facts not potential and what we know is that chief was fighting the covenant for years before 6 even left training who then went to fight insurrections before the covenant
Even though I'd expect it to swing the way of the chief, I'd love to see comparison between Bungie properties, specifically Chief vs Marathon's Security Officer. Chief was one man against the Covenant and the Security Officer was one man against the Pfhor. Seems like it could be interesting.
Depends on who's holding the controller for each Spartan.
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no no. he has a good point.
Love this
Who ever I’m holding is gonna lose
Chief vs. Arbiter could be interesting, an alternate version of events where the two never teamed up and fought each other on the battlefield as enemies instead.
Chief would win. It could be argued Arbiter has the equivalent genes of a human for the spartan twos considering his position and higher strength etc compared to a human but chief wins all day due to the reflexes and spartan time chief wins all day long but without armor it's a different story I'm fucking COCKED right now where we're you on today
It's the strongest matchup for sure but I'd have said Noble Six vs Thel Vadaam before he became Arbiter. Like if he were a final boss for reach, would Noble Six be able to defeat him?
Have to say chief would wipe the floor with the arbiter.and it would be even more 1 sided than it was against 6. That be said the arbiter has the tactical mind as supreme commander other than that chief all day.
@@maximus4765 That is a good point. I just thought of Chief vs. Arbiter since the two are dual protagonists in Halo 2 and could easily have come to blows if things played out differently.
But Noble Six vs. Thel could very well have happened, now that you mention it. Thel commanded the fleet at Reach and is said to like personally leading ground forces in that one Halo 2 terminal. If the circumstances were different, Fleetmaster Thel easily could have been a boss for Reach, so it would be interesting to see who would be likely to win.
I concur, 6 vs the arbiter is likely a fun matchup that could have happened in universe.
Since luck really is impossible to quantify you could explain it simply with every decision one makes gives you a increased chance of positive outcome. Halsey and Cortana couldn't explain it, but I think Chief's intuition and decision making skills is just better than everyone else and that visually translates to him being lucky.
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"What if you miss?"
"I won't"
A seasoned professional that confident is not rolling the dice. He just knows what he's doing.
Always felt this was what his luck actually was as well.
In Reach, Cortana also chose Six to be her escort to the Autumn. We don't know the parameters behind why, but it's possible she saw a similar amount of luck in them.
@@DBXNaato well six was also the only other spartan rated hyper lethal, same as chief.
Something to consider perhaps is that the Chief was the lone survivor of his Spartan 2 training group. It's described in universe as an inexplicable luck, but there's also perhaps a survival of the fittest element here. The Chief survived for a reason and I always imagined it to be some combination of grit, better intelligence, superior augmentation adaptation, intuition, and situational awareness. In short, he's still alive because he was the absolute best among his peers - and where others see luck, he's genuinely, simply head and shoulders better than everyone else.
I feel the DMR is closer to 6s primary than the AR, but chief's pistol still keeps 6 at arms length there.
Nobel team vs blue team might make an interesting video that expands on this
Noble team vs Blue Team ends with almost all of noble team on milk cartons from Linda's sniper, in my opinion at least. 6 is likely the only one who could manage to sneak up on her, of the noble team roster
@@vgmaster-js2zv I think Emile, Jorge, and Six could give Blue Team some problems. Jorge is a Spartan II, Six is hyper lethal like chief (ignoring the hyper lethal retcon), and Emile has CAT II genes and genetically should be superior to most Spartan IIIs
reach dmr vs combat evolved pistol :(((
Blue team vs Noble team is a bloodbath.
@@fordgtguy Yeah, having a cat 2 noble 6 and jorge almost makes it equal fight
You did a fantastic job with this format. Helped differentiate yourself from others attempts. Bravo.
Long term training it is on Chief's favor, but i also suprised how adaptive in both combat and tatic Noble Six was even for a Spartan 3rd Class. No wonder why Carter made his ultimate choice to recruited Six into Noble Team, and it paid off really well.
I appreciate the fact that you levelled the playing field so much on each count, and even went to the extent of armour downgrades, No AI assistance, and age balancing to make it fair.
As you say, if they engaged at a date in time, Chief has significant levels of experience on his side, which is an absolute balance against Noble.
This isn't about one having plot armour, or luck, or other spin.
Chief has, with AI assist, canonically slapped an in flight missile out of the way when he was still "young" comparatively, wheras I don't believe any similar examples exist for any of Noble's generations of such an extreme event.
Pretty much each Spartan of Chief's generation ended up specialising in one way or another, be it agility, speed, strength, or other ways.
Chief was, I believe, described even by Halsey as "Average", as in he didn't end up with any specialisation beyond his drive to win.
It isn't plot armour, luck is chief's preparation meeting opportunity and god and the universe letting him survive 🙏
Chief's specialty was being the 2nd best at everything - So he could provide backup to anyone.
Chief was considered "average" by Halsey but also Hyper Lethal? As in the only one who ever held that title besides Chief was Noble 6. To call Chief "Average" is like a slap in the face to his character.
I get it, he wasn't the fastest or the strongest Spartan of his Tier but no other Spartan besides him and Noble Six got the title of "Hyper Lethal"
Chief is the Best of his Tier not Average.
@@lionbolt2136 i think that's what he meant by "average" as in physically chief wasn't the fastest or tallest or strongest of his generation of spartans, separate from intangibles, skillset, leadership, etc because he is for sure above average in those regards
@@lionbolt2136 Chief is basically a Jack of All Trades. He's good in all areas with extensive combat experience, but excels in no area. He's a great shot, but Linda has him beat with sniping, he's pretty fast, but Kelly is crazy quick and nimble, he's very strong, but both Sam and Jorge are noticeably stronger. And when it comes to intellect, Chief is tactically smart and pretty intuitive, but even Kat is an egg-headed spartan, and Chief has been caught off guard on multiple occasions, one time almost resulted in him being infected by the Flood. So in summary, Chief is good in all areas, but excels in none. Never underestimate that quality though.
What might be a fun variation on this series is facing two characters off in individual tasks, for example let's say arbiter vs Jun on who'd be more effective at an infiltration mission, who's the better Stealth op, etc.
Even if it's just an example. I don't remember if it was mentione anywhere if the arbiter was part of a stealth elite unit, so my money would be on jun even if he doesn't have something like camo
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I absolutely agree with your assessment, it would be close but I believe Chief takes all three variations. I love Nobel 6 but Chief just has that slight edge from his cat 1 augmentations. I'd love to see you do Chief vs Fred, both Spartan II's and Chief has been quoted as saying he thinks Fred is actually better than him but comes in second place to avoid the attention. It would be great to see a match up with the two of them especially since we now have several books with Fred to draw data and comparisons from. Both Spartan II leaders, one a career special warfare operator and officer, the other a grizzled veteran special warfare NCO.
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Fred is actually better in hand to hand combat than chief , Linda was also better than chief with arms , the thing chief had was that he was efficient in all aspects of fighting , he was not the best hand to hand fighter but he sure was 2nd or 3rd and same goes for shooting .
@@anthonyespiricueta7493 Thanks for sharing, I'm aware of that already, I'm talking about an instance in the books where chief is thinking about Blue Team and is specifically thinking about Fred. The book states that in Chief's opinion Fred is actually a better/equal team leader and a better tactician, and his combat abilities are equal to or greater than his own , however Fred almost always comes in second place right behind Chief. Chief believes this is a conscious choice on Fred's part as Fred doesn't like being in command and doesn't like the attention that comes with being first place in everything. Chief himself thinks Fred is a better Spartan II.
Freaking awesome. There's all so much lore I need to catch up on
@fellowperson6406 the dynamic within Blue Team with John (Chief) and the rest of the squad is so natural and intriguing. They were all taken into the program together and essentially developed a family bond, and that almost translates into their combat efficiency. I believe there's a book where it's one of Blue Team's first missions and they encounter unmanned Wraiths, but have no experience using them. Two Spartan take a Wraith each, and the book describes how they almost simultaneously fire the mortar cannons without any verbal communication
I love this very logical breakdown of two characters fighting and using lore to back it up. In my opinion, you took a formula of videos that has become overdone and brainless, reduced to nothing more than shitty fanfiction where both characters somehow come on top, but you made it your own thing and didn't compromise on lore-accuracy. I commend you sir.
My suggestion for the next 1v1 is the Arbiter (Thel 'Vadam) vs Half-Jaw (Rtas 'Vadum). It's something I always wondered since Halo 2 came out, and I think it would be a very interesting way to compare their abilities.
Arbiter will turn half jaw into no jaw in less than 10 seconds
The arbiter would make sure his opponent wasn't a half jaw. He's that quick. And the Arbiter. He's not about killing just...
This the first character showdown that i watched in full in a LONG time. Good work man
I absolutely love that his content releases right as I get out of school.
Excited to watch!
On the same slice, how about noble team vs blue team as a whole? Or any other spartan teams vs other spartan teams? Red vs gray maybe would be a good one as well
Blue team does everything what noble team does but better noble could win just by the extra two Spartans tho (if we’re counting blue team as shown in halo 5 Fred Linda Kelly and chief)
@kyza6463 exactly so could go either way. Also could change out our noble 6 for og noble 6 to make it more interesting if it's too easy for noble
Blue team likely takes both times. Even with just the 4 of them, as it has been just those 4 many times before, they have far greater feats than Noble team. Blue team is legendary. Noble team is quite literally a random spartan team.
Overall, Blue team. They’ve been doing it for longer and are more effective
@@remi2317 Well, Noble Team has SIII's Headhunters who didn't get Mjolnirs for nothing. Although it is indeed a "random" team, I would say it doesn't matter. The feats capabilities are the same or at least similar. Even more so considering how Noble Team became one of the highest priority targets after Visegrad. That Field Marshal hunted down Noble Team because they were absolutely dangerous to what the Covenant was fighting for. And it worked. That team's efforts were vital to humanity. I would say they are resilient and coordinated enough to put up a close fight against the Blue Team
My opinion, I feel the Master Chief would win against Noble Six. That being said, they are both hyper-lethal. But all stuff aside, Master Chief would closely come out on top.
Noble six is only a hollow avatar ”character” for the player and should not be brought into serious lore discussion.
@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 yeah I ignore the reach game during lore discussions because it's nonsense
@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 Technically that's what chief kind of was except for customization. He wore standard looking spartan armor, and it was a while till he got some backstory which noble starts with referencing his blacked out oni files.
@lordcaedus8465 The Fall of Reach novel came out before the first game was released. The back story for Chief was in place from Day 1. Noble 6s story was all hype marketing bs for Reach, which was a terrible game.
Strongly disagree. Spartan II vs Spartan III... Spartan II wins in a landslide every time. Especially in Armor, since the Spartan II's Mjölnir armor is a lot more advanced, heavy duty (not to mention expensive).
The 3's were made to be expendable, cheaper, replaceable. The 2's were damn near perfect, but too expensive and difficult to keep mass producing.
And this isn't any Spartan II, it's THE Spartan II. The best of the best, not to mention the luckiest...
I love Noble 6, but canonically this shouldn't even be a question.
Edit: Apparently 6 is a special type of Spartan 3, but most of my points still stand. This is Chief hands down.
Although I'm a 6 main, I can accept this outcome, you stuck to the lore and you did both parties justice, fair play man 👌🏼
six heald off an entire armada for 6 months with a knife, while chief got body'd by one brute....6 wins.
@agentwolfpl4703 Thanks for ignoring that chief has spent more time alone behind enemy lines literally fighting the entire covenant army on several occasions. You gonna bring up the brute thing, just remember 6 got killed by an elite.
@@wickedblade4751 yeah we ain talkin bout what happened last time with his old team, or the fact that he has never in lore actually heald off an armada..and in lore his scores are mid, go ahead look it up, almost every spartan is better in every field than he is cope
@@wickedblade4751 oh almost forgot you mean behind enemy line IN A CRYO POD XD
@@agentwolfpl4703Cope and seethe.
So, those were all straight-up fights. Noble-6 specialized in assassinations, covert ops, and piloting. Chief works best when he has something to achieve or defend.
I’d suggest a rematch wherein Chief must defend an installation or escort information/a device/a VIP. 6 is sent to prevent that from happening.
Chief knows someone is coming for him, but not when, who, or where from. 6 knows his target but not who is guarding him, what route he’ll take in escort/defense prep, or the precise location of the critical element he needs to eliminate.
Go.
Totally agree, Six is used to operating alone, in stealth, without AI, and probably has headhunter experience.
As a fan of both characters, I’d have to say your spot on. Very close matches, very close fights. But one winner.
Hey there Installation00,
I think it would be super cool to see you rewrite the story from halo 4 though infinite. Could be another episodic series.
I think it’s no secret that fans have not exactly been pleased with the direction the story has taken since halo 3 but I do think there’s still a lot of things to like, even if I would, personally, change many things.
I’d be very curious to see what you could do with this idea.
I'd read a book or two from him
Personally, I'd give the armed combat round to Noble 6. He was specifically trained to operate solo. Chief can do solo operations, but he's realistically better on a team.
Except for the fact through the majority of halo 1-2 and bits of 3 chief was operating solo, including going into the heart of high charity and the library, among many other things.
@@nicholaswolthuis6019 Not contesting that. But, as I stated, that isn't the way hr works best. Chief was meant to be on a team. Whereas 6 was trained for solo missions. Chief also just isn't that great at stealth either, for those reasons I'd say Noble 6 has a distinct advantage. Realistically he'd likely be able to do his job without Chief even knowing he was there. Really though, its all a matter of luck.
@@alexhudson277 fair enough, kinda funny that each game caters to the opposite
@@nicholaswolthuis6019except he wasn’t. He had Cortana in his head helping him.
@@benpope9502 You know full well that doesn't count.
Arbiter vs The Predator
The predator loses to average humans
@@kanielabarcai6182 nah 1v1 against arbiter the predator wins
@@Eddiebalogstrong disagree but we have our opinions
@@Eddiebalog Never. Sanghellis have everything to overcome the Predators.
If a Predator can't even win against normal humans, imagine against a giant lizard that is equivalent to super armor superior to super humans and has a sword as powerful or more powerful and dangerous than the Star Wars Lightsaber
I really liked this video. Wouldn't each of their respective field experiences by the time they are 22 affect the outcome of their fights? I got the idea that Six would come out on top due to being used to operating primarily alone, without AI, and maybe having headhunter experience in his earlier years. It would still be close though, both have had a lot of experience and loads of missions wiping out innies and covenant by 22.
N6 didn't fight the covenant till the fall of reach.
MC is just stronger, and more experienced. The S2s also likely had better overall training since they had a smaller class and weren't trained to just die immediately.
@@remi2317 the IIIs were just lower quality in general, even if they had identical training (it was close but not quite as good), they would still be slightly worse just because of how much less strict the parameters were. Halsey's program only had 150 potential candidates, every company of IIIs had 300 that went into the program, that doesn't even include however many they cut out
@proper7439 yeah, don't get me wrong, S3s are still insanely good, but no where near the level of even the worst S2s. Maybe the best of the best S3s were almost on par (not physically but skillwise) to the worst S2s, but they were never quite there. Every s2 is very good at almost everything, with a few specializing even more. They were bred and trained to fight for years. S3s were trained for one mission essentially. Even if their training was on par with the 2s, which it wasn't at all, and the S3 was a cat 2, it doesn't change the fact that the S2 is likely bigger, and just as skilled.
@@remi2317 y'all keep downplay s3's just to glaze the s2's. Gamma company produced the best Spartans in history.
To me Master Chief wins he has the experience the power and the Luck.
It would be a close fight but John would randomly find a Spartan Laser and blast a hole throw 6.
Respect and keep up the epic work
It's not just luck it's culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning...
I propose the underdogs, the unsung heroes if you will:
UNSC Marine vs. 40k Imperial Guardsman (Let's say Cadians)
OR the Elite Drop Troopers:
A squad of ODSTs vs a squad of Elysian Drop Troops
I like this one but power scale is hard for ig depending on the regiment.
ODST vs Elysian is one of those ones that I can't decide is fair or unfair, ODST equals special forces which would make Stormtroopers/scions a better shout but the Elysians are so well trained they might be considered special forces in other franchises and are all veterans before joining. Or you have the middle ground between Elysian and Scions which sits the harakoni warhawks. This is tough.
@martinford4553 good points, but I would posit that virtually any of the more well known IG regiments would be considered "elite" when compared to almost any other fictional military. They only suck in 40k because...well...40k. Scions are just next-level elite. The (baseline human) Tier One Operators of 40k.
And the match up between ODSTs and Elysians would be fair (in my eyes) because Elysians have the best equipment and training of virtually any non-Scion regiments in 40k.
@@bigz4339 Oh don't get me wrong I know the Elysians don't even suck by 40k standards. These guys and girls are something else, they regularly fight orks even before joining the guard. Not my favourite guard regiment but they are up there.
Although while they have good equipment it's mostly on the lighter side which suits them. The odst might be have heavier pieces for once but then again the Elysian effectively has infinite ammo. His accatran can just keep going for longer.
Scions to be fair are crazy, up against an ODST I would feel bad for the helljumpers. These guys can deal with space marines. Those poor ODST would be Tuesday for them.
I wonder who'd win between The Rookie from Halo 3 ODST and H.U.N.K from Resident Evil
They're both the strong silent type, who survive impossible odds and were both thrown into suicide missions by their superior officers. They both know several firearms and are able to fight off physically stronger opponents (Rookie fighting off The Covenant, Hunk fighting off Bioweapons like Mr. X), they're both experts at stealth and are essentially peak humans in terms of physicality and combat expertise.
I agree 100 percent with the first 2, but i feel like noble 6 may have a slight edge in the final fight do to his role as a lone wolf assassin, possibly leading to a slight edge in weapon dexterity and whatnot, but it would be close nonetheless
6s edge on being a lone wolf as a headhunter is theorised as primarily being an assassin against insurrection leaders so more smash an grabs against humans and less fighting against foes what would actually challenge a Spartan like a elite brute or overwhelming numbers chief however it’s littered with situations where he’s faced foes equal or superior to his skill deeming him more equipped to a situation with a 1v1 with a equal foe
@@kyza6463 yeah that makes sense, I wish we had more lore on 6 to really figure this out because by information we have we can say chief wins, but we don't know about all of 6's achievements again equal or more powerful foes
@@asherogden3056 Chief is also a lone wolf if you played the games or even read parts of the books you would see many many time he was fighting against an army of floods and covenant by himself. In fact Chief mentioned that Marines and ODST are great help but he would rather work alone because they would just slow him down or unless his Blue Team was with him.
@@richardkim3652 that's understandable
@@kyza6463 I don't know the cannon version of lone wolf indicates that while surrounded, being attacked by banshees and wraiths. Noble six was able to fight off an entire covenant army by himself for at least 3 hours before eventually being overwhelmed. Not to mention the evacuation of new alexandria and the follow up mission to destroy covenant jammers show that on his own noble six could easily take down elite brutes, many hunters, and other challenging opponents. So clearly those skills as a lone wolf operator translated to more difficult, capable, and numerous enemies.
For what its worth my money is still on master chief, but I think Noble 6 has a really good shot at taking the chief in a firefight.
Yes no compromise discussions are my favorites😂
Not even 2 minutes in and you've already got my full attention, what a way to open a video! I certainly appreciate your no beating around the bush blunt opening along with it.
Noble 6 got a mjolnir armor in 2545 instead of what we see in Halo Reach which he had SPI armor. His file is full of red tape and black ink from 2545 to 2552. He survived over 3 days in the lore in Lone Wolf mission. If you ever thought why there is not much covenent in CE. It's because he buried half of them with himself.
Bro the reason why there isn’t much covenant in CE is because the original Xbox couldn’t handle that many AIs all in one place without crashing. In reach he has Mjolnir
The story of Reach is more like an alternative universe nightmare because the game goes against all the established lore. The fleet of particular justice was in orbit not on the ground, and that was the fleet that pursued the Pillar of Autumn. So know the fact that 6 killed a few doesn't impact the presence of the fleet at the first game.
@@Creatic58 apparently someone didn’t get the joke
@@jakoblopez5691 There isn't one. The original comment wasn't joking
@@Creatic58I always cringe when people wanna "lorify" things that are clearly hardware limitations. Its kinda hilarious seeing people cut through the BS and just state it plainly.
"The reason why you don't see so much covenant in CE is because Noble 6 was so badass"
You: nah hardware old
Perhaps either Palmer vs Locke or perhaps Atriox vs The Didact (Since Atriox has the "Didact Hunter" facepaint on his face)
i think the luck of chief can't be discounted. its probably neural physics and/or genetic instinctive memory from his geas.
this means he would still have a guesstimation advantage
I thought it was fairly well established that the SPARTAN II candidates were much more capable in every way than the SPARTAN IIIs. The SPARTAN IIIs were designed for fast mass production which limited their maximum performance. It's like a Ferrari vs a Corvette.
Spartan III CAT II are equal or better than Spartan II and have better training over Spartan II.
@NapalmZ88 people dint seem to understand the lore. CAT2s are at the level of an AVERAGE Spartan II. That's it. They are not special compared to SII they are absolute best case scenario on par. And it really doesn't matter that their training was better because training doesn't equate to field experience.
@@xander.357 better training, augmentations, and motivation over Spartan II. Noble 6 was one of two Spartans labeled hyper lethal. the other being Master Chief.
if you go only by physical traits, the S II are bigger and stronger, but to make Cat II you have to meet or exceed the abilities of an S II. noble 6 has feats on par with Master Chief while being smaller and sporting inferior gear.
Spartan III were sent on suicide missions like reach so of the 900 or so made there are only a handful of survivors.
"The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature."
@NapalmZ88 ok, let me unpack some of this. Their augmentations were not better. They were SAFER and used better technology, but that didn't make them more effective than the augmentations of the S2s. Second, the term hyperlethal doesn't mean anything because it is a nonsense term made up to prop up Noble 6. There are half a dozen S2s with feats that are on par with Master Chief but they didn't get the designation because it doesnt exist outside of the Reach game and thr promotional material for the reach game.
On that same note, you mention 6s feats. Please tell me what they are specifically without reference to Reach or its promotional material and nothing vague like "he made entire milita groups dissappear. He was a Saber pilot. " I could pull out a dozen novels and give you canon feats from master Chief and again other spartan 2s.
Also, cat2s were labeled similar to S2s based on genetic markers, not ability. And you're also incorrect about the number of S3s left. The majority of gamma company survived the covenant war and were operational til somewhere between the events of Halo 4 and 5. Atleast 100 of them let's estimate.
@@xander.357 The fact that Noble 6 is equal to the Chief despite having inferior armor and physical stats tells you just how skilled he was.
Ah yes, my favourite series, The Most Detailed Beatdown
I love Noble Six. They are the perfect blank slate for you to insert yourself in. But as much as I love them, there is no universe in which they win a fight against Chief.
Honestly this is the most transparent "death battle" I've ever seen. Keep it up man
I think people forget that although, yes, Spartans like Noble 6 are exceptional even among their peers, the spartan 2's were literally hand-picked from across human space for being genetically superior, then given the best training available from the youngest age, the best, yet riskiest augmentations out of any spartan to date and thrown into the fire both with and without Mjolnir armour. The "worst" spartan 2 would still be a cut above any other generation, unless you somehow levelled the playing field with technology. The closest in a straight up fight would probably be Gamma company due to their tendency to go "beserk" without using blockers, but that introduces a whole tonne of other issues, including a loss of tactical capability.
I would love to see you cover Metroid lore to be honest. I don't think Master Chief could be able to take Samus but I think he'd give one heck of a fight.
Samus’s tech is way better, but their body augmentation and training is about on par, Samus probably has more overall experience tho
Master Chief and only because he has one thing noble 6 doesn't have: Plot Armor
*Luck
the most common crossover fight i see on various forums is the Spartan 2/chief or whoever VS Warhammer 40k space marine.
To me the space marine wins every time
I feel it honestly depends on the space marine and what chapter they are in. I feel it also depends on if they can use all weapons from their universe that are hand held that they generally use. I feel the space marines win 9 out of 10 times but I wanna see what happens if a spartan is given plasma weapons.
@@traehanson6013 I guess Spartan 2 Vs space marine is too broad a concept, there needs to be some rules.
How about a space wolf with a thunder hammer Vs Spartan 2 with gravity hammer?
@nikolapetrovic4814 that sounds like it would be an insanely good match up
Chief is as strong if not stronger, as durable in his titanium plating and shock absorbing gel layer, if not more so due to the energy shielding, faster (can maintain 60mph running speed without damaging mjolnir) and likely has a better reaction speed
@@charles-vi7qb I agree that the shields and the reaction times for Spartans are basically instantaneous. It's just the space marines armor that I would be worried about
The subtle flex about him being 6'4 😂
Ik I'm gonna get hate for this, but I don't even think it'd be all that 'close'. Chief wins; 'Nuff said
Agreed
Well yeah, he was just dialing it back and forth so that when combating, they're both as evenly matched as possible, which puts Chief younger and in armor he no longer wears just to give 6 a chance. In the year 2552, Chief fighting Noble 6 is a hands down Chief wins situation, he has the experience, the augment adaptation from years of fighting as a Spartan (the augments, or at least some of them, were said to become stronger as the Spartan aged), and overall just the technology advantage since he can wear full MJOLNIR armor where as I'm uncertain if Noble 6 can wear more than just SPI grade armor. The Mark V [B] (and the lineage of armor specs that followed it) was supposed to be the first attempt at putting Spartan 3's in MJOLNIR grade armor iirc.
There has been debates of whether or not Spartan 3's were already wearing MJOLNIR grade armor and while it sounds correct, the whole point of S-III's was to make cheaper Spartans, which meant putting them in cheaper armor, hence SPI. MJOLNIR armor usually costs a lot more than just an arm and a leg to make even 1 set, so if S-III's did have MJOLNIR grade armor, it's probably stripped of everything that makes it so renowned.
Chief fanboys incoming
I agree with you. I've always believed Spartan IIs to be superior batch against the IIIs (and even IVs). Even if the Spartan Is (Orion Project) was successfully, the IIs were the tip of perfection across the whole Spartan programs. As much as I love Noble Six (that's my Spartan, the one identify with on a personal level), I just have to give the win to the Chief. My belief is that any Spartan II has a leg up against the Spartan IIIs and IVs. Spartan IIs have the most experience and training aginst any Marine, ODST and the Spartan IIIs and IVs they are serving with along their period.
@@ndositwechizimbi7299On average an s2 is beating an s3. But there are outliers such as noble team. To be exact, Noble team is composed of all CAT2's(besides Jorge), meaning they have the genetic markers that Halsey used to select her S2's. CAT2 were given Mark V(b) , which is literally identical to Mk4, with the addition of test bedding energy shields and armor abilities. Given that S3 augmentations and training are said to be superior to that of S2 (Kurt said as much), a fully matured CAT2 Spartan 3 will be superior to your average Spartan 2. Now this does not apply to Blue team as they could be considered the CAT2 of the Spartan 2 program.
"he wasn't the biggest that was George, he wasn't the strongest that was Sam, he wasn't the best that was Carter, he wasn't the smartest that was Kat, he was just... the bravest"
The fact that 6 got his hyper lethal rating from his work assassinating other humans should effect the combat experience in round 1. Chief just smashes grunts
Yea but chief also had to go against the flood. While noble 6 didn’t
The only teaming up I would love is that they both smash Locke in the groin!
I thought 6 had a whole book dedicated to him surviving lone wolf, surviving the glassing, taking an entire covenant ship by himself and escaping?
He doesn’t, bro died on Reach after an epic several hour long last stand against the Covenant, No books about him sadly
Fan fic unfortunately
Here's an even BETTER idea for a versus match, Spartans from Halo vs Witchers from The Witcher series. Both are biologically enhanced super soldiers designed to compete with and protect humanity from beings much greater than your average human, big difference is that one uses swords and potions while the other uses guns and sci-fi tech.
One thing nobody really realized when it comes to their height was that IIs got a thyroid implant. IIIs never got any augment for height, they're just tall cause they have more precise genetics. My theory is that IIs were made taller for intimidation reasons(cause they were supposed to fight the growing Insurrection). While the IIIs were made to be downright killers, and you don't need height for that.
Chief vs Ironman (different iterations)
For years I’ve been back and forth with the community on this one! I enjoyed your video you made years ago about the topic but I need more!
Iron Man no contest he would body Chief on easy mode.
@@guilliman1990 depending on version yes to a degree. Earlier versions of armor not a hope. His best defense is stay in air and long range shooting. He’s not capable of beating him in melee. Ironman is stronger but slower.
Love the video very accurate and detailed as always the only difference I would have done in the video is I would have done both Spartans in the same armor And both in their prime that way the differences in their abilities would have shown more Again great video thank you for taking the time you do
Pretty good comparison. Ultimately the true answer is 'it depends on the circumstances', but that doesn't make for much of a discussion. You took the smart route when it comes to trying to compare two fighters, which is to take them in their absolute most objective state, but if it were ever a real matter of what happens in an actual fight, it'd just depend. They're too close in skill (which is what matters more than augmentations and armor in an actual fight with weapons and armor) to say that their fight would be anything less than determined exclusively by how it goes down.
This now makes me wonder if Chief would have survived lone wolf
Probably not.
No, no spartan could have survived that
he would have.
hijacking a banshee, infiltrating some vessel, escaping.
He would have lasted exactly as well as noble 6 did no better by any means. Just because you may win, and I emphasize “”may”” win in a one on one that does not mean you are better in war on the field against the enemies. One on one Duel and war are not the same thing.
@@Chrisspru and 6 wouldn’t have if he could?
Defo glad to see a logical breakdown for a 1v1. no huge age gaps that make overwhelming experince advantage, no compromise, or anytihn but a legit 1v1 on realativly even footing. also would love to see Sgt Johnson vs Sgt Forge lol
What about the Chief vs Alcatraz or Prophet from the Crysis series. Enhanced soldier vs Enhanced soldier. Would be cool to see, I was honestly trying to think of others and im sure there will be plenty of great suggestions, but this was just the first thing that came to mind when I thought of comparable "augmented" soldier type characters.
Cool idea. But Prophet and the boys are only enhanced through their suit. If we are putting Prophet in his Crysis suit, vs Chief in his Mjölnir armor... there's absolutely no match. Without their armors, Chief accidentally kills Prophet in one single punch or kick.
Prophet in his armor, vs Chief without armor - that's the closest you're gonna get to a fair match-up. But my money would still be on Chief.
@@hylianchrissC3 prophet is not human nor is Alcatraz as all of the organic parts where replaced it with syntetic nano tech
@@markss367 Chief is still larger, stronger, faster, more durable, has better armor minus the cloak, and more experienced than the Crysis guys
@@ImHerbert-moon Prophet is almost big as Chief
And i dissagree on the speed and strength
Prophet can sprint up well over a 100kph
And can lift just aamuch as mc
@@ImHerbert-moon No. Prophet massively outclasses Master Chief in everything.
I think it's amazing that they were able to fight to the death 3 times. XD
would Six's experience as an ONI headhunter not factor in to his hand to hand combat skills?
Possibly, but if we look at real-life scenarios like UFC or boxing, they have weight classes for a reason. A lighter fighter may be more skilled but would lose to a fighter in a heavier class. Also, we can't forget that Chief probably had hundreds of hours sparing other spartan 2s both in and out of armor. I honestly don't know much about 6s lore, so I can't argue a counterpoint to my statements.
I feel like ufc isn't a good reference for real life fights you can't even elbow. Especially considering Spartans are shown to mess brutes up who are easily 3x the sir of a spartan suit. Unless lore came out that 6 had been hunting chief level targets from day 1 and they both fought at 22. Not much would change. On paper 6 has better training but the shear amount of near death chief has come by. He's much better equipped. Reach was 6's time to shine and he did it but not as well as cheif
I don't think it would matter, John almost killed ODST's by accident because he didn't pull punches. Judging by the differences in augmenting in the spartan 3 and 2 program, I'd say chief could just endure any hits that land
@@logangrimnnar5976 maybe, but it would depend on the situation at hand, personally chief wins all 3 rounds... assuming its how its said in the video and in a pretty much open space with some basic covers. however in a space with more places to hide, move through stealthily, etc, noble COULD win round 1 and 3 as his training was directly tied for those environments and situations but would still lose in round 2 due to what your mentioning though i dont remember exactly but odst was a far weaker group than chief and noble 6 if i remember correctly. they didn't even have shields if i remember correctly.
now this is assuming chief DOESN'T have his ai, WITH the ai stealth no longer matters including landscape, cover, etc, chief bodies noble all 3 rounds
i would like to think that the more slow gradual build of making your bones stronger and more resilient while taking time would ultimately work better and probably be more effective as it follows the normal human body’s way of operating for example when you work out it takes time to see results as your body has to constantly break down and build back up your muscles so noble six might actually be better off then master chief having his bones automatically hardened and made more resilient as it could negatively effect the human body and if in the future we actually were to make such modifications or augmentations like stronger bones or muscles i would actually propose the idea of a more gradual build up as opposed to instantaneous strength as it could and most likely would have negative impacts on the human body and could even go as far as crippling people or killing them by accident
I would love to know… Arbiter vs Chief ?
Chief, completely
Even arbiter's line when johnson jokes about them killing each other is "Were it so easy". He knows taking on chief would be a really tough challenge.
Chief, but I don’t think it would be easy at all. But definitely in his abilities.
@@scarclaw72elites and Spartans are evenly matched in strength it comes down to the individual chief is average amongst amongst the sII thel is up there definitely superior duelist/hand to hand combative to chief, thel is a better tactician and commander chief would be a better marksman chiefs armour would be superior it’s tough but hand to hand no armour thel hand to hand armour even in a firefight chief commanding and army thel
@@kyza6463Jai almost killed Thel in h2h in 2532 while wearing MK IV armor. The MC in the MkVI armor is easily stronger and better than Thel.
@@remi2317 one could argue thel nearly killed jai the reason for thel being scared in that encounter bc it was a faceless enemy what showed no sign of struggle even tho Spartans certainly do struggle they just don’t show it
On paper and logic, Master Chief wins because he is an upgraded version of Noble 6. But there is one thing you can never quantify is someone’s ability to persevere even when the odds are stacked up against them. If you play the metal gear solid games, that is why solid snake beats people who are superior than him because he doesn’t give up and very resourceful. In closing, my heart goes to Noble 6 but my brain goes to Master Chief. I like Noble 6 as a character more.
You also have to think, Noble 6 was hyper-lethal bc of his lone wolf ability whereas in Halo 5, they talk about Blue team being together forever, so that’s how Chief got his hopelessly hyper-lethal status. That’s why I think 6 has the advantage
One is an assassin oriented badass and the other is the scariest thing to walk on the ground since the Cretaceous period that has yet to find an enemy that can keep him down
Also..i dont know much about noble 6's augmentations, if he is a spartan 2 or what? But hes known for being a lone wolf just like cheif so that being said. Cheif isnt known for his stealth but doesn't mean he isnt capable of it. Cheif is simply a tank in the battlefield. He single handedly destroyed an ODST team as a teenager with ZERO armour lol. I feel in the ends cheif would crush noble 6 🤷♂️
Noble 6 was a spartan III, so almost all of his augmentations were lower grade than Chief's (there were a couple, like their vision, that was slightly better)
One factor that I think deserves more recognition is that S2s were trained to primarily face an opponent who was known to be physically, intellectually, and tactically inferior (Insurrectionists). Though S3s had 2yrs less training. They were recruited and trained to defeat an opponent who was known to be physically, technologically, and militarily superior (Covenant).
It is also worth noting that Curt had ONI access to mission and military records. This means that, in addition to having been trained under the man who trained MC in a facility that was directly commanded by a S2 who possessed firsthand experience of MC's pros & cons in battle, N6 would have potentially had years to study and account for all of the aforementioned differences between he and MC.
In a time & reality warped scenario where MC and N6 are approximately the same age and are - more or less - equally armed, I don't think that this is a clear-cut fight. MC likely wins in most simulations. But at 25, MC is making the history that has been programmed into N6 since he was 9yrs old. In the infamous words of the 1980s GI Joe cartoon, "Knowing is half the battle."
I would *love* to see you tackle a standard Spartan Team vs the Guardians of Destiny.
Either a 1v1, 4v4, or even a “ship X from Halo vs the Last City.”
Guardians win 10 out of ten times. It’s hard to powerscale an mmo but Guardians have easily taken on multiversal beings. It’d be closer to compare Guardians to Doomguy than the Chief
@@Prophet311
Yeah, they _say_ they fight multiversal beings, but…
I dunno, there’s a lot of grey area in that franchise. Hence why I think 00 should look into it. He has a good way at carving away the hearsay and getting to the truth.
@@SchneeflockeMonsoon I've agreed on this for a while. It's a far more interesting comparison. There are lore feats for Guardians which no Spartan could replicate, even physically (Some titans may actually be physically stronger, off the top of my head), but I do not think any one Guardian comprises the complete physical and psychological package a Spartan offers. Take away their paracausal abilities, and I think they start to lose in most engagements. Titans are strong, for instance, but are they fast? Warlocks are smart, but can they flip a tank with their hands? Hunters are sneaky, but can they go from slitting a throat to throwing a telephone pole with a speartip into a giant hulking monster charging straight at them hard enough to clothesline it to death? I'm also not sure any Guardian can quite match the reaction times Spartans are known to exhibit. Perhaps there's a feat somewhere in the tomes of lore Destiny has which I've overlooked, but they seem to be much closer to human baseline in that area.
Then you have intangibles. Smart AIs in the SNI vs. the Ghosts, for instance. There isn't a clear-cut answer on these things, either way, especially when you factor in things like how Spartans are highly effective in teams, but tend to offer a more complete skillset than a Guardian would have alone (Which is not to say they aren't incredibly deadly alone, just that they're more specialized), but Guardians are intended to fight in teams and have complimentary skillsets which asymmetrically scale, probably more so than the level of benefit Spartans have from working together (Which, again, is not to say there is _no_ benefit, just less in relative terms). Then you have other factors like how durable or powerful or flexible certain pieces of technology are. One thing a _lot_ of comparisons tend to overlook is the exact level of firepower available to each side. People tend to simply gloss it over and assume they're roughly comparable, but for instance, what if one side uses weapons capable of punching right through a fully-charged MJOLNIR's shields, suit, and occupant, or the other side has peashooters the shields would barely notice? One cannot simply take these things for granted, they need feats and measurements done. It would require an _extensive_ breakdown of lore to perform a cross-series analysis.
Destiny is paradoxically a universe where humanity is far worse off than it was even in the darkest chapters of the Human-Covenant War and the Created Conflict, but a lack of extrasolar colonies or the FTL capabilities needed to make them notwithstanding (And it seems like the technology and infrastructure to make this happen exists, but 40K-ish space horrors simply prevent easy departure from Sol), but where a lot of humanity's tech is significantly more advanced, and potentially more powerful to boot. Shields and directed energy weapons took decades of research and incredible sacrifices for the UNSC to obtain even in a very limited fashion, while in the Destiny universe, they came up with them before first contact with hostile alien races ever took place, just as one example. (Up to and including weaponizing black holes. In man-portable rifles. Some of those feats are _very_ crazy, more so than people not deeply immersed in Destiny's lore would realize.) I do not recall seeing anything exactly equivalent to a MAC weapon in Destiny, though there are certainly weapons which could be comparable or even far greater in destructive power. They're just rarely used so we don't have as much information on them either way. Their tactical utility, ease of manufacture, ease of deployment, ease of use, uptime, etc. On the other hand, humanity managed to bounce back and even start recolonizing in Halo, with them eventually managing to terraform and begin to resettle Reach a few decades after the events of the series to date. In Destiny, while recent events have seen humanity defeat even galactic or possibly extragalactic empires, it has struggled to regain lost territory since existential threats keep getting in the way. Installation00 would need help. Perhaps a collab with My Name Is Byf, or Myelin Games? He needs a detailed understanding of the lore and the only way to get that quickly is to ask the foremost experts on it.
@schneeflockemonsoon4224 Unless a spartan can obtain a paracausal infused bullet they ain't killing a guardian.
They could probably kill the physical body but the ghost is a whole other question, only 2 ways to kill the ghost, paracausal bullet or sheer strength to crush it (which tbh this could actually factor into the Spartans having a higher chance)
Only issue is the Spartans wouldn't know this, as it would be their first time fighting a guardian and wouldn't know the ghosts purpose until it resurrects the guardian giving the guardian the chance to fight back with renewed knowledge of their opponent.
Plus guardian have access to weaponry far superior to that of what a Spartans holds, and let's not forget that the moment they pop their super, the tide of battle could easily change.
It's a very rough match for a spartan if you ask me, but I won't lie, it would be an interesting fight.
@@horrorpleb249
Quite possibly.
I just have to wonder if the Spartan will speed blitz the Guardian, see them come back for more, then see the Ghost bring them back again and go “oh sh^t, the flood!” and then smash the ghost against the floor until it stops making things they make dead not dead anymore.
STEAKTACULAR! That said, one thing not factored in here is how they operate/would go about a fight with another spartan. That in itself would be a whole video I reckon. In other words, it'd be down to an analysis of lore as a whole about both to determine if Chief or 6 would win a fight. I'm not surprised the big boy won though, he is a ginger and I know first hand, they're just built different
Now I'd like to see how Six would have fared against Atriox. A guy who put the fear of god in an army of Covenant all by himself before finally succumbing would definitely be interesting to watch take on the one Brute who gave Chief trouble.
He might actually do better because of his background as a head hunter. Maybe out maneuver him with stealth
@stevenjamebro would get clappeds5874
Bro would get clapped
After the captain America video I thought it'd be cool if you did one on the punisher BUT I realized he would probably never accept the augmentations. Then I imagined it would be really funny to hear a Prof. Halsey type reading their findings on his psych evaluation in regards to Spartan candidacy lol
I think it'd be cool to do one of these videos with Samus Aran or Doomguy, or both. I feel like Samus can hold her own against either, both out of and in armor, as she is far, far stronger and faster than a normal human. And yes, I know Doomguy is immortal, but he can still lose. Being immortal doesn't mean he's indestructible.
If its the Doom Slayer, then Samus just gets neg diffed as Doomguy has spent eons killing very powerful demons, being unkillable and only using guns because he finds them fun.
I agree with everything you said. You stuck with the lore. Only a couple of things I have to correct you on(still would not have changed outcome)
1. 6 was a "Cat II S-II" actually was called a SPARTAN-III of Beta Company, hence why his Serial number is SIERRA-B312 The only difference between Alpha Beta and Gamma companies was Gamma had an aggression enhancement and Alpha was older with more field training.
2. If Chief is gonna use the Mark V you want to give him the MA5B Assault Rifle with 60 round capacity and the M6D Magnum with HE .50 cal rounds. To balance it I would replace S-B312's M6G with an M392 DMR, while it shoots the same rounds as an Assault rifle it has more power to it. With Both chief's pistol and 6's DMR clearing Shields with 4 shots.
Everything else was peak but with everything I said above it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Besides, if the two ran a test on the Wargames Simulator... well... live rounds would have been used anyway.
I would take into account the kind of training they both received as well. Chief was trained as a standard spartan 2 for the most part. Six was separated for being exceptional and given additional training as well as whatever ONI gave him to be a "hitman" basically. One trained to work in a team for the most part and the other trained to work alone for the most part. If you look at their training it would broken down very simply be an assassin vs a commando. 1v1 I would say a clear win on Sixs part if they're almost even everywhere else like was shown in the rest of the video.
No lol
Cheif vs. Captain Shepard from Mass effect could be cool
Chief is in a whole different weight class. His height and reach give him a huge advantage on top of better augmentation. So Chief wins pretty easy.
He literally explained that CAT2 Spartan 3's are the same as Spartan 2's 🤡
@yigitbey1486 even if the upgrades are comparable, Chief's size gives him a massive advantage. Chief's augmentation is better because it can achieve the same level of performance but also makes him much larger.
It's more impressive when someone is near 300 lbs and can run a 4.5 sec 40 yard dash than someone who is sub 200 lbs
@@daltonburroughs3811 I've not watched the video yet but if I remember correctly, Chief and Six are almost the same in height and build. Like the other comment said mentioning CAT2 spartan 3s, they could have been spartan 2s effectively
Edit: Watched the video and the rust is off of my mind, OP made good points!
@bluairsoft2671 Chief has quite a bit of weight on 6, Chief is at least 5 inches taller, and is stronger while being just as fast. Spartan III's were smaller in general due to the differences in their augmentation.
Actually i’m pretty sure Spartan 3 augmentations are just as good, except they’re chemical based. Spartan 2’s go through surgery to do it, and according to lore some Spartan 3’s were good enough that they could’ve gotten Spartan 2 augmentations. If Six is the only other Hyper Lethal Vector, I don’t find it hard to believe he could be one of them. Also, Spartan 3’s have harsher training. But you’re right, Six outside of armor is 6’9” and 239 lbs, if Halopedia is correct. If they’re not, then I doubt Six would be any smaller.
You forgot the fact that Noble Six ate so much cave moss that he now exudes a natural barrier that cancels out the Chief's luck
I personally think 6 would win as, before joining Noble Team, it was his job to hunt down rouge Spartans. Chief either had never or rarely gone head-to-head with other Spartans whereas that's what 6 did as a living, so 6 has much more experience fighting other Spartans than Chief does. Chief is used to fighting insurgents and the Covenant whereas 6 is used to fighting insurgents, the Covenant and other Spartans.
I lean towards Noble 6 as well.
This guy
Agree on all but one point, chiefs strongest point was his leadership and ability to work in a team, he had to adapt to being a lone wolf on installation 04. In this respect, I think 6 would probably be a better weapons handler as he would’ve had to rely heavily on them during his time operating solo
Agreed, as a solo warrior 6 takes the cake.
I was kidnapped
You’re an orphan
We are not the same
I mean to be fair both are pretty good motivations
One is where you had your childhood erased so you can spend countless hours every day and night to train to become the best soldier alive and the other is watching your parents die and training until you can fulfil that revenge
Ahh, but who has better HANO jump technique? 117 fell 2000m to earth, N6 did a full orbital reentry to reach.
Also in the last category of the weapon battle, you mentioned the extra 2 years of field experience as well as 2 more years of training which would also give Chief a slight advantage in the fight because his knowledge of in field battle tactics and being able to adapt and survive longer.
Noble 6 can win it's not too impossible for him to win but he would have to try harder and fight preciously . Noble 6 have great chaces if he had Spartan 2 augmentations and also Noble 6 is great fighter in hand to hand combat .
"mmm yes perfectly balanced"
-the spiffing brit
Best debate/ discussion on a character vs. Character I've ever seen. Great job, man! I agree with you, I feel like Chief would win in every scenario, but I feel like it would be somewhat close, though Chief would always take it home.
not sure if I agree 100%, but I loved the video! I appreciate the consideration and lore references.
Awsome video I'm glad you rectified the lore when It comes to 6s strength as I'm 19 and cal lift 125kg off the floor so if 6 was only 25kg above me that would make no sense
I am so glad that someone finaly recognized that the 2s and 3s had very similar augmentations. Often people always say chief whipes and its not even a chance because hese a 2. When really the only thing that makes a big difference is that typically 3s were fiven a lesser for of the armor unless they were in noble team or a head hunter. Dispite them having similar augmentation i can agree a 2 would win because of the clear size differences and extra training.
As others have said, great job at keeping this as fair as possible and keeping a great eye for details such as age, armor technicalities, etc.
The easy/lazy option would be to just give chief all of his clearly overpowered and futuristic armor compared to 6, but you rightfully so tried giving the match a more realistic touch and were willing to knock chief down a peg for the sake of consistency.
Much respect to you and keep up the good work!
This is the best overall halo channel imo
That was such a solid, authoritative opening. Really good
Noble 6 vs. Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
And marvelous video btw, excellent and thorough work
Both of them win, they join forces and absolutely mop the floor with anything that so much as sneezes in humanities direction aggressively.
I’ve seen a Reddit post showing a hypothetical scenario where the remainder of Noble Team escaped Reach with the Pillar of Autumn. It would be cool if we saw a what if, with Emile, 6, Carter, and Jun were with the Chief.
Also a Chief vs Tartarus scenario would be sick to see. Or if Chief and Arbiter were switched in situations where the gravemind sent them in the opposite’s locations.
I dont think youd ever do it due to the can of worms, but I think a "most detailed breakdown" of an astartes series followed by a spartan vs astartes would be neat! Great vid rho!
This was a great video. While I understand wanting to ignore Chief's inherent plot armor to make the fight fair, I still think it needs to be mentioned.
Chief isn't lucky. That's not canon and hasn't been since before Halo 4. Hundreds of millennia before Halo CE, John was concieved as a Didact killer and designed to be unkillable by the Librarian, who inplanted his blueprints into Humanity's DNA.
Six was dead long before the fight even started because all Spartans who aren't the Master Chief are just crude imitations of the Foreunner Librarian's design.
I'd love to see more matchups like this in the future. One that immediately comes to mind is a battle royale between every known Arbiter throughout the Covenant's history.
Obi Wan (clone wars era) vs Arbiter (from the end of Halo 3). Possible alt for opponent, a group of elite guards.
I would love to see other prominent cyborg warriors facing off against the Chief. Some big ones I'd like to see are:
Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 vs:
- Adam Jensen from Deus Ex
- Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk
- Alcatraz from Crysis
I remember reading in ghosts of onyx that the s3,s augmentation when near death makes them x times stronger and faster. It was beta company i believe.
Master Chief 117 and Noble 6 vs the arbiter Thel & Imperial Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree
It's funny how even with how fair you were being the outcome was as most would expect
A one on one is a different thing from fighting your opponents in battle, not necessarily the same thing. Even if one is better in duels does not necessarily mean he is more efficient in war.
Well chief is winning again on a battlefield he’s a better commander noble’s history is as a lone wolf or headhunter so more towards sabotage then out right firefights
@@kyza6463False, Chief does not win in Battle Warfare, if anything I would say B-312 wins when it comes to Covenant battle warfare since he is a third generation Spartan designed and trained to specifically fight the covenant rather than Chiefs generation being designed to fight human rebellions. Chief may have the upper hand in hand to hand battles due to him being slightly bigger, but that’s it. No other difference between the two.
@@DivineHellas chief was fighting the covenant for 20 years before noble 6 even left training and he was immediately pulled out after training to be a head hunter and fight as a lone wolf against insurgents it wasn’t until 2552 the legit last year of the war he joined noble from what we know he may of never fought covenant till then I haven’t found anything what says other wises
@@kyza6463”from what we know”
Key words.. from what we know.
Thing is, we know almost literally nothing of B-312s background while we know a lot of Master Chiefs, so that fact alone makes it impossible to even make a comparison between the two based of their history and career. Which is why that argument of yours isn’t a legit one.
It’s like knowing 1% of someone and knowing 90% of another and based of that make a comparison, it simply isn’t logical.
@@DivineHellas in the video it’s stated this match up is based on what we know we are making a comparison of facts not potential and what we know is that chief was fighting the covenant for years before 6 even left training who then went to fight insurrections before the covenant
‘Shout out to John for🤔🤔well I don’t 🤬 know 🤗’
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 - had me in stitches ❤❤❤❤❤
forgot how good that cutscene was from Infinity, Chief with a nice hip throw xD
Even though I'd expect it to swing the way of the chief, I'd love to see comparison between Bungie properties, specifically Chief vs Marathon's Security Officer. Chief was one man against the Covenant and the Security Officer was one man against the Pfhor. Seems like it could be interesting.