Was Paul Gay? Why Does it Matter? -Rabbi Tovia Singer
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Jacob Berman and James Valliant interview with Rabbi Tovia Singer @History-Valley
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This segment is definitely among the best of the very best,
G-D'S continued Blessings Rabbi Tovia Singer.
Thanks!
I'm a Muslim and there's no secret about what we consider Paul to be but this is probably the first time I disagreed with the assessment made by the respected Rabbi Singer about things related to Christianity.
You are more than likely aware that there is a passage in Romans 1, one of Paul's confirmed letters, where he specifically condemns homosexuality and calls it "unnatural." Even if he was lying here, still it's still a point that can be raised to oppose what was said here in this video and be considered valid. And you know very well this would cause nothing but offense to Christians and it's all unnecessary.
Wouldn't the more appropriate argument, supported by Paul's epistles, be that He hates the law because he considered it to be too many to keep track of and so pointless?
The truth that has real evidence at hand is more than enough to defeat falsehood. There's no need for speculations.
Never came to my mind Romans 1, well said👍Thank you
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Bukhari the Liar
Curses to Bukhari the Liar.
Bukhari, a man who has helped lead billions astray.
Bukhari, a man who said he "saw the Prophet in a dream" that "protected him from lies."
Bukhari, who allegedly collected and vetted over 600,000 traditions "accurately" during his 40 years of inviting lies and creating the Hadiths.
Bukhari, who disregarded the rule put in place by the Prophet and the Rightly Guided Caliphs banning written Hadiths.
Bukhari, who invited lies that contradict Allah's perfect word in the Quran.
وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ يُعْرَضُونَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ وَيَقُولُ الْأَشْهَادُ هَٰؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ كَذَبُوا عَلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ ۚ أَلَا لَعْنَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ - 11:18
And who is more unjust than he who invents a lie about Allah ? Those will be presented before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord." Unquestionably, the curse of Allah is upon the wrongdoers.
Bukhari, an enemy of Islam. Curses to Bukhari. May Allah judge him harshly upon the Day of Judgement.
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I don't care about offending people with truth. But you are spot on - this was absolute speculation. Pretty sloppy in my view. Romans was an authentic Pauline text, but if we look at others both authentic a pseudepigraphal they do comdemn homosexuality and that is consistent with the real Paul and the fake Paul's.... which btw as an atheist I disagree with. But the point is, in all these things no matter what ones bias is, one should remain objective. The Rabbi might not agree with or dislike Paul and that is fine, I don't like the Mosaic law, but I wouldn't just make stuff up about it with wild speculation.
Paul does not condemn homosexuality in Romans 1, there is a synthesis of the book "Wisdom of Solomon", a book that emphasizes the difference between the "unrighteousness of the Jews" and the sinful nations. The text is put as a contrast, in epideictic (Aristotelian) language precisely so that in chapter 2 Paul will have more power to judge the Jews. So, it is not Paul who condemns homosexuality, but the traditionalist Jews whom Paul now kicks ass to the ground, telling them that "they do the same things" and that "there is no difference between a Jew and a non-Jew" because they are all way.
@@georgecurinii3930 "Wisdom of Solomon" is not a canonical Christian Scripture. So it generally means absolutely nothing to Christians so that it's not even logical to bring into the conversation.
The point is that there's no need to give out nearly unfounded speculations that's barely going to have any effect on Christians as they can easily dismiss them especially when there's is a ton of evidence from his confirmed writings that He clearly distorted the meanings of some of the passages from the Old Testament, as we've seen the respected Rabbi point out several times before. These evidences are enough to have more impact on attentive Christian.
I take issue with this claim. I’m Jewish orthodox I love your work Tovia. Although, how could Paul be gay if in the Christian bible homosexuality is forbidden…
The prohibition against homosexuality is one of the few parts of the law that Paul reaffirms. In fact, the Romans 1 condemnation is so harsh that it arguably would've condemned a gay Paul even if he abstained entirely. Romans 1 seems to imply that even having the attraction is a direct result of a determined rebellion, so it implies one is already quite evil.
Self-repudiation.
Paul claimed to be a Pharisee of the Pharisees. Any such man of his time would have been married. It would have been arranged with/for him by the time he was 18 at the latest.
LISTEN to the words of YOUR MESSIAH you JEWS , John 8 verse 44 : You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
IF you will not listen to me then listen to one of your own Professor James Tour , look him up and stop blaspheming your Lord
How many times has Tovia specifically called men he was talking to, "sweetheart?" I've heard him say this countless times.
This video just blew my mind. I had never thought of that.....
A lot of these comments completely miss the point.
PAUL TALKED OUT BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH.
PAUL WAS A HYPOCRITE.
Paul says to a Jew he is a Jew. But to a non Jew, he is a non Jew.
Paul is literally a political figure lol, that is exactly what the message is.
Paul wants you to follow his cult.... stay away from it.
That’s a false assumption. When Paul states that he is a jew to a jew, and also states that he is not a Jew to a non-jew---this is not hypocrisy. What Paul was saying is that the reality of Christ encompassed all people and that to each people Paul would point out the reality of Christ according to the various backgrounds of different people he had encountered. This is called wisdom and not hypocrisy. This is called being a well-informed teacher. Every great educator adapts his or her presentation to their particular audience! That’s being wise and rational!
Titus 1 15-16
To the pure , all things are pure
As Jeremiah prophesied, the Gentiles will come to see that they have inherited only Lies, Emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail!
@@paulawallace8784 Roman 1.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
@@paulawallace8784 Roman 1
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
This was a VERY interesting take, I’ve studied the Christian claims for years, especially from a Jewish perspective. I couldn’t understand what was the “straw that broke the camel’s back” with Paul? This take is very interesting and makes sense, it could have been possible he was wrestling with those urges.
@@bt-lt4os thanks yet again for demonstrating that Paul was a closet case trying to distract people from realizing his secret desires.
@@bt-lt4os Once again, thanks for demonstrating that Paul was a closet case trying to distract people from realizing his secret desires.
@@bt-lt4osThe other argument is that was a letter as a refutation for people who might have well thought he was gay, we know pauls letters are a one sided story but who is he responding to what is the other people saying, we see this with his other letters
@@bt-lt4os i mean his letters can be refutations as we seen with many other his other letterz
I do think its fair to say he was gay, however he is the one in the new testament that also speaks out against homosexuality
How many rabidly anti gay politicians or preachers have been caught being gay themselves?
Keeping the first response aside. The New testament does not condemn homosexuality, it has no issues with it. You can bring up any verses that you want, the New testament does not condemn or prohibit homosexuality.
@@jenson_2 your preaching to the choir overhear but if you talk to majority of Christians or conservative people who know about the bible they’ll insist it does
@@Stutz67 That won't matter, because those same conserative christians also don't know that their books do not pertain to many certain theological beliefs that they hold.
@@nanirado5493
The only thing dumb here is your Lack of reading comprehension. The Hebrew bible is not monotheistic at all, and contains the ideas of other Gods which it views as real as well. Yet your own theology pertains to monotheism which doesn't even exist in the hebrew bible.
When a sober minded person considers his letters, it's clearly not a healthy minded person.
Are you Jewish? Just curious. I am not Jewish (Caribbean background) that's not the impression I got. I consider myself sober minded. Just saying.
@@Cliff_Simon I wish someday. I'm staying far from synogogues
@matpieterse3287 your reply is a little too deep for me. Is that your ethnicity, and you are saying that because you have strayed away? Or do you mean something totally different? Again, I'm just curious.
do you have any videos talking about what is going on now in Israel?
After October 7th, you came to mind and I was wondering what you had to say about things.
Blessings!
i dont think the rabbi sees it as his place to say anything regarding the hamas-israel conflict... i am most certain his thinking of this conflict is in the same line as most jews, specificly the ones living here in israel
Lmao gotta admit Rabbi, the title got me.
Interesting.
@samfromisrael
4 months ago (edited)
Paul went into Arabia because he was a Herodian ARAB. He alluded to it.
He was an Idumean.
Thank you rabbi.
You’re not the first person to have this speculation.
The scriptures say a bishop must be the husband of a wife, also elders, and decons as representative of the church or doctrine of the church. Paul profiles are not in line but the churches use his direction and reject Peter's testimony, who Jesus gave the key to open, and no man shuts and loses on earth what will be lose in heaven
RABBI TOVIA SINGER: How often do you think about the Roman Empire and its similarities with present day U.S.A.?
He thinks about america's simarities with tyre more
All the time. I discuss this in another video that will be released soon.
@@ToviaSinger1 How often do you think of the book of Revelation? Doesn't the "whore of Babylon" sound like the United States of America? I picture the statue of liberty.🗽 What do you think?
@@nanirado5493 Vatican is Rome. Rome is New York City 🗽
@@nanirado5493 And Madison Square Garden is The Colosseum where the gladiators fight (UFC mma/boxing)
This doesn't make much sense, given the content of Paul's letters. He may have objected to the law as such, but the prohibition against homosexuality was one of the very few parts of the law that he reaffirmed. He condemns it more than once. Heck, he condemns it in a way that even an abstaining homosexual never would. Even if a gay person considered it wrong and steadfastly refused to act on it, it is still highly doubtful they would have condemned in the manner of Romans 1, because this passage has a very strong accusation explaining how Paul thinks people become gay to begin with. That the reason they even have the attraction is a result of determined rebellion against God. If Paul was gay, he wouldn't have been able to escape his own accusation even by abstaining entirely.
Someone being rabidly anti-gay and then having it be discovered later that they were actually hiding their own homosexuality is so common as to be cliche.
@Kaddywompous Sure, but there are more typical ways this cliche manifests. The closeted gay anti-gay would more typically be finding and reacting to imaginary closet cases under every rock and branch. It's a matter of trying to redirect hostility away from themselves by appearing to take charge of it. Such people would appear quite sensitive to secret homosexuality, because they're actually reacting with hostility to things they find attractive or titillating. They notice a reaction in themselves and then cover it up with hostility.
What Paul does, on the other hand, is *_add fuel_* to others' hostility. He invents new reasons to hate gay people. For a closet case to do this would simply be increasing the risk to himself. If Paul were gay, I'm guessing even his unconscious would've thought been uncomfortable with this. This seems more the behavior of someone who has depersonalized his target, so he doesn't feel or experience the actual impact of his venomous accusations. Gay people, for Paul, are alien monsters that he's completely unable to relate to.
Paul was successful only because he had Roman imperial protection.
Paul was successful because God was in charge of his life and in the matters of his ministry and protected him to bring the gospel until he was finished and also allowed him to suffer for the gospel.
@@chrisstathe9183there is differ between gay and euunch
@@chrisstathe9183 Paul teaches a different gospel than Jesus. If you want to serve God forget Paul
@@chrisstathe9183 Pauline greco roman Judaism for gentiles ends up where we are today
@@andrewclemons8619 Not according to what Jesus said since He is a chosen vessel unto Jesus.
Rabbi - Romans 10:6-8 and Deuteronomy 30:11-14 actually read the same to me. That Paul left out "so that you can do it" strikes me as immaterial - the essence of the Romans chapter seems the same.
If you disagree, as you clearly do, what do you view as Paul's message in this Roman's chapter, if not that "the word is close to you", meaning "you can do it".
The title to this video is such a troll lol
@Raizel613I was going to watch this video tomorrow as soon as I read that title I immediately stopped what I was doing and said naw man I'm watching NOW
Why, what was the original title of the video? I’m curious now.
Ezekiel 21:8-14 The final test of faith in God and in His beloved Son Jesus the Yeshua Massiah shall be tested by sword of devil by mark of the beast and by deadly plagues on bodies of un believers shall be thrown into burning lake with fire shall be tormented by devil on judgement day onwards.
Ezekiel 21:8-14 The final test of faith in God and in His beloved Son Jesus the Yeshua Massiah shall be tested by sword of devil by mark of the beast and by deadly plagues on bodies of un believers shall be thrown into burning lake with fire shall be tormented by devil on judgement day onwards.
@Raizel613 Ezekiel 21:8-14 God Almighty says faith test in God and in His beloved Son (Ezekiel 21:10) that faith in His Son shall be tested by sword of slayer the devil.Un believers in Son and in His coming kingdom,shall be perished.The final test of faith shall be by the sword of slayer by mark of the beast and by deadly plagues on body.If you have great faith in God and in His beloved Son Yeshua Massiah shall fail your test shall loose your soul into burning lake shall be tormented by devil.
Title made me burst out laughing
Yes🤭
I think we should all make a donation at least two bucks for the title! 😆
The insistence that Paul was a homosexual tells us more about the homophobia of the person who holds that view than it does about Paul. They say it because they know other people are homophobic and would be disgusted, shocked, scandalized, and humiliated. Keep in mind that if Paul was a homosexual, his guilt came about as the result of homophobia - religious or otherwise.
I don't thinks Tovia was saying that with judgement about his being gay. Simply that if he was, it would explain some things. Paul was brilliant, and showed a lot of courage and leadership, so we have to commend him for that. But regarding Paul's sexuality, I've often gotten the same impression.
@@gilroyopinion Well, being a member of the gay community, I can honestly say that nothing Paul has ever written has given me even a moment’s doubt regarding the overwhelmingly substantial evidence pointing to his almost certain heterosexuality.
@@wordscapes5690Well-said!
@@wordscapes5690 Interesting. What's the evidence you speak of?
@@gilroyopinion The fact that he clearly condemns homosexuals. The fact that he endorses only heterosexual unions. The fact that he seems to be completely unaware that homosexuals’ have “burning flesh” and need marriage for that reason just as much as heterosexuals… How many more do you require?
What does it matter if Rabbi Paul was an LGBT or not? Jewish religion tolerates all people, and as a matter of fact, two New Jersey Rabbis walked the aisle, and they honeymooned in HI.
Tolerance of is a very different thing than a judicial regulation and ruling. The law clearly says LGTQ+ are MoWTh "mooth" - soul dead and emotionally in pain. The true meaning of "stone them to death " , it's not talking about physical execution The NT clearly says that they are dead , Romans 1 and cannot enter "the kingdom of heaven". It's one thing to be kind and tolerant but that in no way alters the final judgement of the King on this matter. "...'eTh-Ha'iShaH W''eTh-HaB-HeMaH MoWTh YuWMaThuW D-MeYHeM BaM : WaYiQ'Ra Kaf: Yod, Zayin "Leviticus 20:17" Christian Bible & verse 13 (Yod, Gimel) in the Jewish Bible. Gimel = Connect. It's a soul ending sin but that doesn't
Romans 1:27 > vs 32. Revelation 21:8. 22:15.
Tolerance of, letting people live their lives, minding your own business in personal matters doesn't alter the final ruling and judgement.
This was always my take on Paul, that he loved men at a time when it was dangerous to do so, or had some sort of impotence or deformity. While not equal, they all point to some condition that precluded an intimate hetero relationship.
Yes👍
The roman were very accepting of gays but the Hebrews were not for obvious reasons
Emperor Hadrian was gay had a gay lover was very open about it.
I was in Christianity for almost 30 years and the Baptist Churches I went to always used Paul's teachings. I didn't like him then and I still don't like him now but the one thing I noticed is he hated women!! I once had a fleeting thought could that mean that he liked men?? Of course I didn't mention that to the pastures or anybody else because though I was bold and ask a lot of questions if I had to ask that they would have banned me for life! Lol
Edit to original comment -
I misspelled the word pastor because I have multiple sclerosis and I was using text to speech I should have checked it before I posted it. Someone corrected me. You see my hands shake so it's easier to use text to speech
@@bt-lt4os Paul sounds nuts in Acts and Corinthians, like the Arm Of Roman PEDERASTY he was, and an IDOLATER.
Why doesn't the scholar think that the person who misquoted the Tanakh and Paul are different persons?
Because Pal was, without question, the author of Romans.
@@ToviaSinger1 Some passages were undoubtedly written by Paul .
However, if deletions and additions were made on it, it is consistent .
Rabbi Tobia, I would like to recommend you one book .
Irenaeus against heresies, Volume 5 .
Among them there is Paul’s word before additions'
Taylor Caldwell, who is catholic and was allowed access to Vatican archives, mentions a girl Paul loved in his youth, an Egyptian I think, anyway something about the whole thing left him bitter towards women. This was said to be ' the thorn in his side'.
Petra, around near where Shaul went to, was "Arabia"- The Araba, meaning wilderness.
He’s definitely not slandering Paul by calling him gay 😂😂
Paul didn’t obey the law and he worshipped a man god .. which I think is worse then homosexuality …
ISAIAH 1
Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”
4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.
Paul was not Gay but a Godly man by the grace of God and would suffer for The gospels sake and Was caught up to the third heaven in a mysterious way .We see a man who was greatly afflicted for Jesus sake and today we still see the same and attacking him is attacking the God of Abraham since Paul is a ambassador of God
I'm of the belief that Paul was just an unusual fella who rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. All of that traveling by foot, preaching in new towns, etc. Being insistent and disagreeing w/ established figures. He always reminded of Michaelangelo who was by all accounts a miserable person who nevertheless persisted. A lot of these figures lived w/out comfort.
I'm a Christian but I watch this channel, among many others where they debate or attempt to dismantle the New Testament. I still believe, but I am always happy to hear (educated) people talk about the inconsistencies between the Gospels, etc.
As long as they are well read like Tovia Singer is, I'll listen to the content. I like that Tovia Singer has read and learned about the Gospels to a degree thag many priests have not.
I am a Christian that also likes to read about mythic Arcadia, etc. J
It's perfectly fine to engage in strong scholarly learning of any religious beliefs
I understand people were ignorant back in the ancient days, but they are just as ignorant now. Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth and is still getting away with it 2000 years later. He was a liar, thief, and hypocrite and 99.9 percent of Christians are blind to it. Blessings and shalom Rabbi!
Be ye not deceived,GOD is not MOCKED !
That's right, not to any Heathen carnal idol of flesh made in the Image of Man or any Heathen Man made Trinity of False deities shall every knee kneel to be they Christian or Hindu, but as Scripture declares, it is to CREATOR, the ETERNAL ONE, EHYEH ASHER EHYEH/I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE, WHO declared HE Alone is GD, HE Alone is LRD, HE Alone is SAVIOR, HE Alone is REDEEMER and Besides HIM there is NO other, SHALL EVERY KNEE KNEEL, EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR!
As Jeremiah prophesied, the Gentiles will come to see that they have inherited only Lies, Emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail!
@@paulawallace8784You've eyes but you're blind!
Genesis, chapter 18,
If, i say if.. you're a little bit smart, just a little bit..: There, you read that Abraham sees 3 men: And he kneels before them and say: LORD!
He doesn't say Lords?!!!
I REPEAT : He kneels and say: My Lord!
Open your eyes madam .. And respect the others! Cause you look but you can't see!!👀
Edit:
I'm Greek.. I know a little bit of Religion!
@@petrosmpampalis6097
And he said, "My lords, if only I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass on from beside your servant.
Bereshit/Genesis 18:3
@@petrosmpampalis6097As Jeremiah prophesied, the Gentiles will come to see that they have inherited only Lies, Emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail!
All I want in life is to be able to remember verses like he can. It amazes me how Tovia is able to just spit bible verses out like it’s the alphabet. The amount of knowledge this man has is amazing.
He’s a Rabbi, he has devoted his entire life to the bible
The thief on the cross probably did not know many bible verses if any but Jesus saved him at a appointed time where he was the thief's righteousness so that he was perfect in the law.God has to do the work so we are saved and can learn truth so it is in our hearts that God gives those he loves and Satan comes as a angel of light to deceive and remembering verses does not mean you are saved since Jesus told many who thought they knew him to depart.
@@chrisstathe9183 - well, that is amusing. That is quite a confused jumble of words thrown together concerning a dead man executed by the Romans for sedition and a nonexistent thief mentioned in a work of fiction written years later by a man in another part of the world who had no first-hand or even second-hand knowledge of the facts.
Paul was a self-admitted Herodian family member. (BOOK OF ACTS)
Paul was successful only because he was a made man. Rome protected him.
Chapter and verse?
I like how the rabbi was clear to point out how it's his own speculation, but a speculation that would answer many questions if true. Whats the thorn in Paul's side? Why choose celebacy? What is Pauls problem with the law? What is this thing he doesnt want to do but keeps doing, AND the thing he wants to do but doesnt?
Zero certainty, but it does answer many questions
Paul should have an ishah at his side to complete him, not a thorn.
Rabbi I have no skin in this game, I'm not a Christian. Though this seems like a *massive* leap. Most scholars I understand see Paul and Jesus as Jewish Apocalypticisists. If you held the world view that Jesus was coming back any day and we are living in the end times which the authentic Pauline letters do - then it kinda makes sense to stay celibate. Paul mainly condemns homosexuality in great detail in his authentic writings. Surely, it is more likely he would put it in the realms of pork and the like. I understand this is just conjecture but thus has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Don't spoil the party...
;)
The elect will see the day approaching And Oct 11 midnight 2028 looks like it could be the day because of the 80 the year of Psalm 90 from Fig tree parable of 1948.He will not come as a thief to his elect.
@@Levychosesemet no man knows the things of God unless the holy spirit teaches is what it means to who it pertains to if you compare scripture since Hebrews ch.10 says we will see the day approaching to them it concerns.
The end occurred in 70AD. Christ Jesus sits in heaven as victorious King. He is our living temple.
well this reply bought out the nutters :)
🙏🏻🙏🏻💐💐I am a member of the Baha’i Faith and not a Christian, but what you are considering as “preponderance of evidence” is nothing but conjectures. You even have admitted that in your original post about Rabbi Tovia conjecturing. The fact is that Conjecture ≠ evidence. If we take your conjecture to be evidence then we have far better and more real evidences to conclude that King David was descended from Lot’s daughters who had committed major incest with their father--a complete no no according to (Leviticus 18:7).
Rabbi David Rosenfeld even agrees that:
….”reading in Genesis the story of Lot’s daughters who bore children from him and begat the nations of Amon and Moab. It then struck me that since King David’s great-grandmother was Ruth the Moabite, it means that in some way this very immoral nation entered one of the most important families in Israel.”
Rabbi David Rosenfeld continues by stating:
“The nations of Amon and Moab were founded on incest. It seems peculiar that Moab of all nations played such a great role in creating the House of David - and ultimately the Messiah son of David.”
There are far worse examples in Tanakh that can take the whole line of the prophets into a questionable immoral landscape and even God himself, than what some people have attempted to conjecture about the New Testament historical figures. So, the conjectures or picking on Paul are just conjectures and not evidence. They are opinions of those who are merely antagonistic to the cause of Christ and have attempted for many centuries to undermine any aspect of Christianity that they can put their hands on.
Even if we were to take your conjecture at its face value without concrete historical evidence, we can be well-assured that even if Paul had homosexual propensities, he had most certainly decided to resist and overcome those carnal urges and at the end, gave his life for the cause of Christ or at least he had accepted major persecutions for Christ’s sake. And if that’s the case, then as far as Paul’s inner life is concerned, this would in fact be accounted as an exemplary selfless life for all to follow and not a negative thing.
After I retired I was able spend more time learning about my interests. I began researching the Bible and eventually got to Judaism. As a Christian I was struck with the regard women are given by Jews. Certainly the tone of the Bible books in the Old Testament are very different than anything attributed to Paul. I always wondered about him and why he had distain for women. The Jewish women I’ve met don’t have the feeling that most Christian Bible.
Just look at the fight over abortion. And the ongoing fight. Republican after Republican are passing laws that are very dangerous for pregnant people. Catholic Churches have removed their method of caring for pregnancies that are failing. They are trying to eliminate the main drug used to treat miscarriages when 1 out of 4 pregnancies ends in a miscarriage. The same medication is used in ectopic pregnancies. Contrast all of that with how Jewish men treat women regarding reproductive health.
The hatred is all too obvious. I remember being told when I was young that women are punished because we caused the fall of Eden.
My mother used to say this to me when I was younger, that Paul was gay because what else was that thorn in his side that he could never remove. Thank you Rabbi Tovia for giving more wisdom and research into this!
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A Bíblia fala em Micver e Britmila a unção nada tem a ver com o que vc menciona na sua idolatria. A propósito, nem o J.c será ungido pois nem o dito João Batista disse ser o Profeta Eliahu.😂
@@yvonnegordon1952 is there a reason you're commenting this on a Jewish channel? Clearly we are here to learn about biblical history that's challenging Christianity. We are either ex Christians, Jews, or historians interested in Rabbi Tovias education and knowledge. I am an ex Christian that is discovering her Jewish heritage and am embracing that. If you want you can watch other videos by this rabbi and learn more about the farce of the "New Testament" it isn't easy to realize that our Christian teachings are a lie but once I realized that, there is no going back into believing the falsehood
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*Absolutely* 💯
*Hopefully, people that come here, are wanting to learn the truth, however, they must be prepared to unlearn all that nonsense, and make room for the new material, that will change one’s life*
@@rbotelho81 Não seja uma criança boba.
@@johnpetry5321come bicho, maje!!
That's a disgusting accusation. We don't have any evidence that points to Paul being a homosexual or even having a desire for men. In fact, he clearly has a negative view of it. I get that some Jews may despise Christians and tend to vilify us, but this is a step too far.
Was he married ? Was Jesus married?
Did they have kids.
No
No
and No
@@samfromisraelmaybe Cheeses and Paul were lovers
but he has children
@@dimakelly who had children?
It's actually Christians that despise us.
even in our time parchment is a very expensive material, a luxury. with all the technological improvements that obviously result in reduction of price and increased quality, one A3 page of parchment costs about 300NIS (~75$). it’s more than 1:100 compared to the price of the best, most expensive drawing paper, let alone paper we use these days to print books.
Paul the chief rabbi of Christianity is the father of all heresies
Gay Zeus is just a Roman psy-op.
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I know he wasn't married Why do you think he wasn't married and told others not to marry lmao.... because he was gay!!
True!
@bt-lt4os Paul was a deeply confused person, he literally goes and makes the point that the law is no longer needed then says to FOLLLOW it lmao😅😅😂😂
Galatians 2:16
[16]nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
1 Corinthians 6:12
[12]All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
Delusional...lolol @@bt-lt4os
He said he was a celibate and not married. (1 Corinthians 7:8-9)
If he was married, he lied, someone else wrote the letter, or he didn't exist.
@JesusChristislord144 repent from your pagan ways and turn to the 1 true G-d.
Isaiah 45:20-22
[20]"Gather yourselves and come; Draw near together, you fugitives of the nations; They have no knowledge, Who carry about their wooden idol And pray to a god who cannot save.
[21]"Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
[22]"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.
Ezekiel 18:21-23,27-28,30-32
[21]"But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
[22]All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live.
[23]Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord God, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
[27]Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life.
[28]Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
[30]"Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct," declares the Lord God. "Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
[31]Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
[32]For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord God. "Therefore, repent and live."
Hosea 13:4
[4]Yet I have been the Lord your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.
Exodus 4:22
[22]Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Don't you just love it when someone says, "If so-and-so was gay, why does it matter??" ? IT MATTERS TO SOME PEOPLE!! If you don't care, that's fine for you, but who cares if you don't share other people's curiosity.
Okay but by the same token when somebody tells me somebody else is gay my initial reaction is generally "okay, and?"
Granted if he's a friend or family acquaintance it's good to know, otherwise it's none of my business.
@@secondcomingofbast9908 Yes, it's no big deal, I agree. I just get annoyed when people homophobically say "why does it matter??" and they mean, "Stop talking about it!"
See, the thing is that first century Jewish culture was not particularly fond of women. So why should Paul be any different?
It's a Delema for you
John 6:44
No man can come to Me (Christ) except the Father (Hashem) which hath Sent Me - draw him :
and I will raise him up at the last day .
(It's the Spirit - not the book)
Shabbat Shalom
Was Jesus gay? Think about over 30 never married hanging out with a bunch of dudes!!!!
It doesn't mean he is the one. I am not going to marry ever, but I am not gay definitely
CARETH NOTETH❤
I’m gay and I don’t find speculating about a historical figures sexuality very compelling.
Other than to slander them and associate them with a hot button issue in modern times.
There enough damning material written by Paul to skip the speculating who he found attractive.
This is the one area because of my personal experience cast my own doubt on the truth about any Abrahamic faith as being a true revelation of G-d.
To participate in homosexual behavior is breaking a law. Like eating pork or not keeping the Sabbath.
This is a conversation best left between G-d and the individual.
No one follows the laws perfect and anyone who says they do is a liar or arrogant.
Well said ❤
AMEN
Weather forecast *brimstone
As David foretold, Gd will Crush Kings on the day of His wrath, HE will Execute Justice upon the Nations into a heap of cor*ses.
As Isaiah prophesied, Gd will make the Nations to Serve and go by His Chosen's Leadership, the wealth of the Nations will be given to them and the Nations who refuse shall PERISH, just as He will make the children of their Oppressors go to them BENT OVER, just as He will make those who have DESPISED HIS Chosen Priestly People Israel the Jews, to PROSTRATE THEMSELVES at the soles of their feet.
For Gd warned the Nations long ago that if you come against HIS Chosen Priestly People, HE will come against you, all in His timing.
Paul was supposedly gay. Mary was supposedly a loose woman who slept with Roman soldier Joseph Pandera to produce a half Jew who they named Jesus (the Lord is my salvation). Getting more interesting by the day.
The church is not boring.
11:00 this is an area I see otherwise. I see him stating the action when he states the word and the heart. As we understand that what comes out of our mouth or actions, stem first from the heart. Hence the Avraham/Sarah hint story of laughing. One was out loud the other was in the heart. Yet the one that laughed in the heart got rebuked. Not the one that stated it out loud. Because one was sincere, the other was not. That seemed to be Sarah’s failure. Meaning the matters of the heart drive us to act or state things. So I believe his message is accurate here reminding the words of Deut but going further into the example of Yeshua that our actions stem from our deepest intentions. Or the route of ourselves from within which is truly what Abba seeks.
💐💐💐💐There is absolutely no difference in the inner essence and in the inner meaning between Paul’s statement in Romans 10:6-8 and Deuteronomy 30:11-14. Put them side by side on your computer screen and read both of them and ask yourself whether there are any differences found in the inner essence of the meaning between those two verse. There is none! The inner essential objective in both verses is one and the same. I do not see why is there so much complaining about Paul.
The last part of the verse which you are complaining about Paul omitting it which says: “so you can do it”, why be so bitter about this. Paul did not quote whole thing about “the word”, “so you can do it”, because to Paul or to any clear-headed person it is obvious that the word of God is already assumed and is meant to be taken into action, hence, “so you can do it”. So why would Paul want to add the last part of the verse when it’s fully clear that it is not just reading the word but acting on the word which is automatically assumed by Paul. Two thousand years ago no one of a humble birth and social status had extra money or time or resources to waste over few words that are already assumed in the verse. Taking out few words here and there which does not change anything in the original verse does not mean that Paul was on purpose trying to cut out different parts of various verses from Tanakh. God forbid!
So was Jesus (In John's gospel)
Do you mean when it says that he was the disciple that Jesus loved?
Also right before he supposedly dies on the cross he says woman behold thy son and to his mother and says son behold thy mother to John. I was involved in Christianity for almost 30 years so I know this crap like the back of my hand unfortunately! I had often wondered fleetingly about that but immediately I thought to myself that's a blast with me that's blasphemy you see Christianity teaches you you better not think for yourself. I left idolatry tree about 7 years ago. I'll never go back
@@Levychosesemet Huh? When? You have a quote?
Since Paul had been a rabbi he probably would have been married and had children. How about that?
I heard that in a book by a man named Pollock who said his wife rejected him
@@carolinenorman6141 Thats just a theory and not confirmed at all and a rabbi going trough divorce would not have been a rabbi for long after that
Maybe the Evangelicals will stop trying to convert Jews to Christianity and the Rabbi can stop with these videos.
Regardless of the particulars he still seemed to be a slave to sin.
Why did he change the letter in his first name from S - his name meaning “asked for” - to a P? Why a P?
Paul was his Roman name Saul his Hebrew name he was a Roman citizen from the start
@@carolinenorman6141 What does “paul” mean? As I understand it, he converted. The two names are alike. It’s the difference of one letter.
@@visionaryventures12 he had both names from birth he was born in turkey part of the Roman empire his Roman name was Paul his hebrew name was saul.
Gay Zeus was a by product of Roman war psy-ops.
He always asserted that he was a Roman citizen. Though the book of Romans mentioned anti gay rhetorics, Paul has been know to be all things to all men when situation calls for him to win people to Christ. So with Jews he behaved as a jew, with Roamns he becomes the thorn in his flesh...
Yes he did and that is called being a hypocrite
I would not allow having my bowels refreshed by anyone.
A gay Paul would not have written Romans 1
Was Paul Gay? I’d never even thought to ask this. What I asked was, and it seemed more relevant at the time: Who is this Paul? What can and do we know about him? And what, if anything, is he telling that’s a fact, an inference or just his opinion?
From my research, it’s not a very flattering picture.
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Well, I've certainly often wondered if Paul were gay🤔 It would indeed answer so much
He certainly didn't like women that's for sure. He really seemed to hate women so maybe he did like men
Paul wrote against homosexuality. Paul probably lived a celibate life because he believed sexuality distracted him from spiritual things. That kind of thinking is/was very common for people highly dedicated to the religious life.
@@johncrookston6111 Free yourself from anger and bitterness.
@@johncrookston6111 “The Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and persecutions are waiting for me,” (Acts 20:23) he says. He is kidnapped (Acts 21:27), beaten (Acts 21:30-31; 23:3), threatened (Acts 22:22; 27:42), arrested many times (Acts 21:33; 22:24, 31; 23:35; 28:16), accused in lawsuits (Acts 21:34; 22:30; 24:1-2; 25:2, 7; 28:4), interrogated (Acts 25:24-27), ridiculed (Acts 26:24), ignored (Acts 27:11), shipwrecked (Acts 27:41) and bitten by a viper (Acts 28:3). Tradition says that Paul is eventually put to death for his work, although this is not recounted anywhere in the Bible.
@@jackshadow325Free yourself from ignorance and the bondage of Christianity.
Paul celibate? He was already old probably over 50 years before he encountered Christ. What would had made him not marry before he met Jesus..
@@suleimanallison7680 that's a good point
It would explain a lot about his aversion to the law, marriage, and his attitude in his letters was a lot like a nagging woman.
I loved your song and I love my husband being kind d to you. I hope they don't take my words away.toward you..
Ooo child!! I can't WAIT to hear this one! Never cared for Paul in the 30 years i was in xtianity and thought he HATED women! Did he like men! 😮😮😮😮
Oh, this was great!
Thank you. Wow!
Baruch HaShem!
i pity you----i really do
I’m not at all a Paul fan, but with the new Jerusalem very imminent, maybe that’s why he preached to not get married or have children. Why bother?
Very interesting
Paul according to the Bible :
Paul say Torah shit dung
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and (do count them but dung,) that I may win Christ,
paul reject marriage
1Co 7:8 I say therefore to ( the unmarried ) and widows, (It is good for them if they abide even as I.)
1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is (good for the present distress,) I say, that (it is good for a man so to be.)
Paul is liar he was Jew not Pharisee
Act 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, (I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee): of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Act 22:3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia but raised in this city and educated at the feet of Gamaliel in the strict ways of our ancestral law. I am as zealous for God as all of you are today.
Paul call himself liar and he LIE
Romans: 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
1Co 9:20 And ( unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; )
1Co 9:21 To them that are ( without law, as without law, being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:23 And this )I do for the gospel's sake,( that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Philippians 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, (whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached.) And because of this I rejoice
Paul is a thief who robs churches
2Co 11:8 (I robbed other churches,) taking wages of them, to do you service.
Act 8:3 (As for Saul, he made havock of the church), entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
paul teach apostasy from the law of Moses:
Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Cursed is he who does not keep the law of Moses like Paul:
Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Paul doesnt't go well with people:
Act 15:38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
Act 15:39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
Ac:19:30: And when Paul would have entered in unto the people,( the disciples suffered him not.)( didn't allow him)
Paul was Sinner and does evil things: Romans: 7:19: For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Paul was Possessed by Satin (evil): Romans: 7:20: Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but evil that dwelleth in me.
paul was describing him self
If you’re correct he wasn’t always unhappy having that thorn in his flesh 😂
Who will cast the first stone here?
There were no gays until 1965.
I love very much the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel. I always pray for Israel. But this is a bad look for the rabbi.
What do you think it is a "bad look" to have an opinion about Paul?
Where can I listen to these shows live?
Every sunday morning at tenaktalk
@@camerocar: What a righteous, caring, loving Christian you are!!
was jeezuz gay?
Yes, his bf was a redhead named Rob
Mark 14:51-52 and John chapters 11 through 21 (Lazarus and the beloved disciple) should provide the answer.
@@KinatHashem 😂
Not really he went to Northern India and had a nice wife and family
He traveled around with twelve guys and never had a girlfriend. Nuff said.
funniest title ever
A person will come to apostasy if he refuses to accept what is fundamental - including the historical facts of God's revelation at Mount Sinai, His speaking of the Ten Commandments to the Jewish nation, and His appointment of Moses to transmit the Written and Oral Torah (the Divine Code by Rabbi Weiner, 2nd edition, p 148).
@JesusChristislord144 Paul couldn't care less about the Noahide laws.
@JesusChristislord144 1. God forbids idol worship.
2. Praying to saints or Mary or Jesus who are creations instead of praying only to God who is the creator is idol worship in Judaism and Islam and in some Christian sects.
3. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that the messiah in Tanakh is a human biological descendant of the messiah king David through the messiah king Solomon meaning the messiah is not God and not a Trinity with God.
4. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that the messiah in the Quran is a human who did not descend from the messiah king David because a person who has no biological father inherits no tribe in Judaism.
5. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that in Gospel of John 20:17 Jesus said he did not die on the cross meaning no one sacrificed him and he explains that he is a human and he is not God.
6. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that not all Christians believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus is a Trinity with God.
@JesusChristislord144 1. God forbids idol worship.
2. Praying to saints or Mary or Jesus who are creations instead of praying only to God who is the creator is idol worship in Judaism and Islam and in some Christian sects.
3. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that the messiah in Tanakh is a human biological descendant of the messiah king David through the messiah king Solomon meaning the messiah is not God and not a Trinity with God.
4. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that the messiah in the Quran is a human who did not descend from the messiah king David because a person who has no biological father inherits no tribe in Judaism.
5. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that in Gospel of John 20:17 Jesus said he did not die on the cross meaning no one sacrificed him and he explains that he is a human and he is not God.
6. Jews and Muslims love Christians by explaining that not all Christians believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus is a Trinity with God.
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There are no such thing as Noahide laws. God never instructs us to follow laws given unto Noah!
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 That's nice. Paul was too busy creating his own religion so he would not feel bad about his failure to honor the covenant with HaShem.
Paul went into Arabia because he was a Herodian ARAB. He alluded to it.
He was an Idumean.
As Tovia mentioned, you could not look up passages like we do today. Therefore, Paul had to keep in mind his audience, and what would have been true of Jews was not true of Gentiles. Gentiles did not have the word of God in their hearts or in their mouths. In the Diddler on the Roof that Tovia sings a song about how if he were a rich man he would study the Scriptures seven hours every day , and that would be the sweetest thing of all. So whether they were well read or were ignorant men, the word was with them in their hearts and in their mouths. Paul was speaking to primarily Gentiles who had no father Abraham or inherited his covanent, or the promise to be their God. Instead, they had gods of all sorts and for everything. Paul described these Gentiles as with God and wothout hope in the world. It would be misinformation the say that they absent the word could keep the Torah. Paul introduced the Word to the Gentiles in the person of Jesus, who in the passage quote is referred to as Christ, who is the equavalent to the law. Therefore, saying that Paul despised the law is a complete non sequitur. He spent all his time promoting it.
Why does Tovia say the author of the book of Luke and Acts view themselves as writing "scripture" if they explicitly say they are not an eye witness. In other words the Author of Luke and Acts is admitting to not being under inspiration. Also 2 Peter does not imply nescisarily that Paul is on the same team.(2 Peter 3:16) It says Paul speaks dysnoēta which in greek tranlates to destructive of good sense.
I believe he was married, and so was Jesus. Just the Romans hide a bunch of stuff. To make themselves an idol and they did. Jerusalem is full of idol. But when God’s grandson comes. All of this will be taken away.
I don't understand why people doesn't want to believe in Jesus. He was good man He helped so many people cured them love them teach good things them feed them .and he even sacrifice himself for us .he done nothing but good for us. I don't understand why this beautiful inecent soul people hate him.he done nothing but good.most Human. [ not all ]. beings ungodly and ungrateful. Love bad then good 😢.I feel sorry for unbelievers. And I pray for them 🙏 as I do always pray for people in the world 🌎 .may God bless 🙌 everyone one 🙏 and let be peace in the world 🌎.
The problem comes when people deify Jesus.
My mom was a dedicated Christian and believed Paul was gay.
@@Renjimani I’m an atheist, I don’t buy into the Messiah or Christianity, OR any other religious myth. You’re wasting your time lol
JPS Tanakh 1917 - proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, and descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in his garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou knowest?
That is speaking of G0d.
The Hebrew Bible has an answer concerning His son's name.
KJV - Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
KJV Hosea 11:1
11 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
It could also be a trick question because G0d is not a man (Numbers 23:19, I Samuel 15:29, Isaiah 31:3, Ezekiel 28:2, Ezekiel 28:9, Hosea 11:9, Job 9:32) and therefore isn't part of a familial line.
There are no ends of the earth, because the earth is spherical. And no one has gathered the wind in his fists, or bound the waters in his garment. So that proverb is quite meaningless.
@@billcalypso975Proverb is NOT meaningless. Even today we commonly use un-scientific terms like "sunrise" and "sunset" and "the sun went behind the clouds", etc. Even if something is un-scientific, it still has meaning.
@@banzakidimye348 I never say the sun went behind the clouds. I say clouds cam in front of the sun. As far as 'sunrise' and 'sunset' , one can't tell the difference, so maybe it's OK. As far as gathering the winds into one's fist, that's really silly.
@@billcalypso975 YOU may never say 'the sun went behind the clouds' .... but it is a common expression. And that is all I am trying to convey. We commonly say many other things that are un-scientific - tomaotoes are commonly referred to as vegetable (they are fruit), Banana "trees" are not trees, etc. And every language uses expressions that are understood by speakers of that language. As far as "who has gathered the wind in his fists"; that is can easily be understood as "who controls the winds" - when he opens his fists and releases the winds they blow, when he closes his fists the winds do not blow. OKAY - we may now understand weather patterns - high pressure areas and low pressure areas, el nino weather events, etc, but ultimately God is the one who established all the laws of the universe.
You are right rabbi,paul was gay😢
Paul was a roman and gay was their way its not shocking
He is protected by rome and he operates like rome
I think Paul had a problem with heterosexual desires
it is such a 21st century thing to look for gays in the past... what is the point? so then is paul the only one you think? or maybe some prophets?
My dear Rabbi I respect you but my dear it is clear to me that there are so many things you seem not to understand about the New testament.For example that scripture you have given us ( Romans 19: 6-8 and Deuteronomy 30:11-14)
It is clear from the two scriptures that Deuteronomy 30:11-14 is talking about the righteousness that comes by DOING what was in the Law .But Romans 10:6-8 is talking about righteousness which comes by Faith ( it is not about what you do .It is about what God does for you)
That is the distinction my dear Rabbi .There is nothing hard to understand here if you really want to understand.
Paul was not gay...but he was jaded.
The Jewish Nazarenes and Ebionites (the 12 Apostles and followers) knew Paul very well.
They knew that (in brief):
- The Herodians were originally Idumean Gentiles who were forcibly converted to Judaism.
- Paul was born into a Herodian family in Cilicia.
- Before Paul was born, the Herodians who began to control the areas around Cilicia, renounced thier Judaism and adopted the practice of worshipping the pagan gods of the area (ie. Mithra, Cybelene, other mystery gods). Renouncing the adopted Judaism of their forefathers, the migrated Herodians became Gentiles once again.
- Paul was born into a family of Cilician Herodians who also renounced Judaism. Paul was born a Gentile.
- At some point, Paul moved to Jerusalem (where he had family ties).
- Paul (a Herodian) must have moved to Jerusalem to seek his fame and fortune where his ancient family still dominated. The Herodians held a great influence on the Sadducean priesthood.
- While in Jerusalem, Paul fell in love with the daughter of the High Priest, and he wished to marry her, but he could not unless he "converted" from paganism to Judaism (including circumcision). He did this, to impress the woman that he was accepting Judaism, and so, he became eligible (checking all of the boxes) for him to be a suitor for her. Except for one thing...she didn't love him.
- It is possible that Paul did sit at the feet of Gamaliel for a while as he was an advisor to Herod. And in the Talmud, there is a passage where Gamaliel confronts a seemingly impudent student (Paul?).
- The daughter of the High Priest rejected Paul's advances....and Paul rejected Judaism in return. Paul was once alive (a Gentile without the law), became dead (a Jew obeying the law), and became alive again (a Gentile without the law once more).
- Paul spent the rest of his life subverting both Judaism and Nazarene Judaism (exploiting both), as an enemy to both.
Paul was not a homosexual....he was jaded because he was rejected by a woman.
Good on you, Paul.
The problem with Bible translations as Romans 10 from Apostle Paul, is they're not accurate!!
F. E. In Kings J. Version, Romans 10,2, says : For i bear them record that they have a zeal of God but not according to knowledge. *
*In Greek, the richest language on Planet Earth, there's a difference between greek words: Γνώσιν vs Επίγνωσιν.
( Knowledge vs I'm aware of, very deep knowledge without the need to examine further or analyze ).
I don't know if there is an exact word for Επίγνωσιν)
For example: Before your eyes is a flower. Immediately you have inside you, its smell,its material, perfume,the slightest detail automatically!!(to put it this way!)
Beyind this: I didn't see any sign of a gay Paul in your saying,Rabbi!
And i never met any text by Paul to inform us that he was Gay!!!
So, would mind to explain how did this idea came to you to start a conversation letting gay traces against Paul!!??
Google showed to me this conversation and i confess that i was astonished by because nothing in Pauls history,shows any gay symptoms..🤔
Thanks,