Hi, ThatsMUHA here. Thanks again for the great analysis of our games! Didn't previously notice that I always have tons of unused resources left)) Keep this series up, there happen lots of funny things on these levels.
@@re1ko it's a really nice take on the format of watching 'bad' players, there's very little mockery here it's genuine interest, it's legitimately really engaging and fun to see play at different levels
Whenever I watch these videos I immediately get a false sense of security, I feel like I could play better than them, but in reality I'm probably worse. 🤣
I'd probably play slower but the concepts of controlling workers is one I really focused on when I was a kid so as a macro player I'd play these players pretty well.
Grubby, could you maybe consider doing a follow up video someday talking about the most common mistakes you saw people do during this series? And potential things someone could do to improve in those specific areas? It feels like some mistakes keep repeating.
I agree, that would be a great video. 51 pop, focusing shops when attacking base, using hero to tank arcane tower and just generally not knowing when to attack vs when to creep seems to be major recurring themes so far.
I'm considering picking up this game again because of how educational this series is. Combine with the fact that there's a place in my city where people play retro fighting games like king of fighters 98 and street fighter 2, it really feels like I'm going back in time
@@GraveUypo future doesn't necessarily suck. Just enjoy the best of both worlds. I definitely don't wanna go back to dial up internet for example lmao
VanHellsing really stepped up his game in the 2nd matchup, maybe NE isn't his strongest vs. or he was caught offguard with Warden pick and constant harass on expo.
Loved husky's Bronze league hero series, loved Winter's bronze league hero series and loving yours ! You bring a very contagious excitement of watching people actually having fun in a game. It's almost nostalgic of when we could still see games for what they are, without the lenses of a past of tryharding at some point in our lives :D ♥
MK: This is Buri Frostbeard. We've neutralized the forest creepts but there's a wave of Night Elves advancing on this position. We need immidiate evac! Archmage: Belay that order. We're moving out. Priest: What! You're not just gonna leave them? Archmage: All units prepare to move away from middle of the map on my mark. MK: Uh, boys? How about that evac? Priest: Damn you, Nilas! Don't do this! Archmage: It's done. Priest, signal the army and take us back to our base. Now! MK: Archmage? Priest? What the hell is going on up there?
I remember watching you first time and realizing i had been playing incorrect all along with regards to the supply pop. Oh the possibilities if I could go back!
enjoying this series A LOT too! Id love some more advice for potential low mmr viewers watching, as sometimes irony/humor (though funny and hilarious) can feel like you are being serious or difficult to tell appart for them. Could be a bit missleading or leave people wondering what they should do instead. Watching the last game made me realize too the huge negative reinforcements wc3 can create and that can ruin your progression building bad habits. Sometimes it's very difficult to isolate when things go south, especially when they are the right call but get countered due to micro or timings like the orc expansion. I find a lot of frustration too from similar stuff when im apparently "doing the right thing" and then get run over by random/stupid stuff (simple to execute like massing, cheese, all ins, etc). Eg, you feel you have done everything right, but you didnt scout for 30 seconds and suddenly the enemy has built 6 towers next to a goldmine and now you lost the window to stop a expansion. Can also work the other way around, wrong possitive reinformecents, which I think can be related to why bronze players get all these upgrades, dont work on their base layouts, go t2 expansion or get weird army compositions. They might get the upgrades just because the icon is cool and didnt even read what they do though, i remember doing that when i started playing🤣 Please keep this up!!
Watching these games really gives me the courage to try playing WC3. Cause I might not ever reach Grubby's level, but at the very least I hopefully have competitive games against these people xD
This is so good :D U try to think like they think in what and how they do stuff. I feel like most of them dont realy think about the game timings. They just play and build what they want to build.
Grubby what is your opinion on changing staff of preservation to deselect and remove the targeted unit from all control groups. I think it would help out a lot of low level players to not bring back injured units by accident.
VanHelsing was the clear favorite to win the second game given how things started. He's way better than muha. I'm shocked that they have basically the same MMR.
I can't understand how so many people aren't staying at low pop. They even know strats like build orders, the right heroes, efficient creeping, so many things I have little to no idea about yet one of the first things I figured was to stay at low pop. It just makes no sense to me
I like how you comment Grub, but I'd love to see you go back Tryhard Tournaments. You are one of the top three when you're at your best. You can beat anybody. You can win Tournaments. It would just be nice for the sport you know. And if you loose, you loose, doesn't matter, you played!
I like watching WC3 but haven't played for more than a decade and mostly played customs, why do undead players always build a necropolis with their haunted gold mine? I get it defends at level 2 and is required to tp there but surely there are situations where that investment is better spent elsewhere but it's always immediate. Does the necropolis create blight or something so it's required or the gold mine will slowly die like sc?
powerbuilding in low leagues is 100% an UI issue. it's not very clear that it's using extra resources to build, and it's even less clear just how much it is.
Hey grubby how are you doing, I was playing warcraft 3 the previus day when I realized I keep losing too much , and the reason for that is being harrassed at early game . and so i did not know how to defend a harrassment I end up fighting 2 heros 1 with lvl 3 and him having t2 or t3 units while i have about 2 t1 units and 1 hero that is lvl 1 ( to sum it up i just wnat to know how to defend harrasement)
There are good ideas and strategies there (unless you try pumping out 7 production buildings), but players are mostly held back by more limited APM, which translates to more sloppy gameplay. They are not pro players, it's not a jab against them, I'm sure everyone works with what they got.
Night elf could've probably won simply by focusing more on creeping to make his higher level heroes even stronger and also by focusing rifles a bit more I was rooting for him :(
I'm bummed all the videos lately have been bronze league stuff, I enjoy watching YOU play, not random baddies -- hope you will mix some of your games in with these at least. Miss ya.
Hi, ThatsMUHA here. Thanks again for the great analysis of our games! Didn't previously notice that I always have tons of unused resources left)) Keep this series up, there happen lots of funny things on these levels.
Great game btw. Good luck on ladder
Keep building units and keep that money down buddy, you got this
Work on macro and you’ll climb that ladder. Pretty good micro though for most of the game
ur so bad lmao
You should pay Grubby to train you
I don't think I've ever been this glued to a series of videos before, everytime I see an upload I am pouncing on it
I agree, he also gives tips and advices for us noobs
@@re1ko it's a really nice take on the format of watching 'bad' players, there's very little mockery here it's genuine interest, it's legitimately really engaging and fun to see play at different levels
Same
Haha same !
Whenever I watch these videos I immediately get a false sense of security, I feel like I could play better than them, but in reality I'm probably worse. 🤣
I feel the exact same way hahaha.
Ayyup XD
I'd probably play slower but the concepts of controlling workers is one I really focused on when I was a kid so as a macro player I'd play these players pretty well.
It's inspiring me to try!
Grubby, could you maybe consider doing a follow up video someday talking about the most common mistakes you saw people do during this series? And potential things someone could do to improve in those specific areas? It feels like some mistakes keep repeating.
I agree, that would be a great video. 51 pop, focusing shops when attacking base, using hero to tank arcane tower and just generally not knowing when to attack vs when to creep seems to be major recurring themes so far.
Oh also using formation option comes up quite a bit. I'm sure there's more, help me out chat!
I'm considering picking up this game again because of how educational this series is. Combine with the fact that there's a place in my city where people play retro fighting games like king of fighters 98 and street fighter 2, it really feels like I'm going back in time
when the future sucks, just relive the past!
@@GraveUypo future doesn't necessarily suck. Just enjoy the best of both worlds. I definitely don't wanna go back to dial up internet for example lmao
21:00 grubby doing such an amazing, full of despair, take on the barracks, saying it has no purpose along with the heavy rain close up. Just genius
I really love how you talk about not only what the players are doing wrong, but also the good aspects of their overall gameplay. Good commentary.
It's ok, the Mountain King might have been left for dead, but he will return after 2 years after dealing with his amnesia
VanHellsing really stepped up his game in the 2nd matchup, maybe NE isn't his strongest vs. or he was caught offguard with Warden pick and constant harass on expo.
Loved husky's Bronze league hero series, loved Winter's bronze league hero series and loving yours !
You bring a very contagious excitement of watching people actually having fun in a game.
It's almost nostalgic of when we could still see games for what they are, without the lenses of a past of tryharding at some point in our lives :D ♥
yeah, meanwhile high leagues will quit at start because "map not worth it" or "Messed up camp setup". that's so cringe 😮💨
This is becoming my favorite series. Second day in a row I am checking every time I get home to see whether there is a new Bronze League episode!
Looked like MUHA ran out of gas at the end. His fighting spirit disappeared.
MK: This is Buri Frostbeard. We've neutralized the forest creepts but there's a wave of Night Elves advancing on this position. We need immidiate evac!
Archmage: Belay that order. We're moving out.
Priest: What! You're not just gonna leave them?
Archmage: All units prepare to move away from middle of the map on my mark.
MK: Uh, boys? How about that evac?
Priest: Damn you, Nilas! Don't do this!
Archmage: It's done. Priest, signal the army and take us back to our base. Now!
MK: Archmage? Priest? What the hell is going on up there?
Lol'd at the unpausing 😂😂😂 So toxic! ❤
13:20 - it was so good and bad bad at the same time that I felt a bit of pain in my body
Love this series!!! This reminds me of T90's Low Elo Legend series for Age of Empires II. Love you both!
if you see the names again keep us watching them. we are invested in vanhelsing and muha :D
Thank you Grubby, amazing serie, vers educative. This will help people hesitating about launching W3 again or not finally take the leap of faith ❤
35:34 Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away away.
Ok bronze league here I come. Hopefully I get a game cast
whoa never thought gonna see bronze series this intense.
I remember watching you first time and realizing i had been playing incorrect all along with regards to the supply pop. Oh the possibilities if I could go back!
These series are great! Very useful for basic players! Keep them up!!!
Love these Bronze league vids! Great and educational content 🙌
Been into Warcraft since I been alive this gotta be my favorite series you do please do more. Makes me feel so much better because I suck lmao
enjoying this series A LOT too! Id love some more advice for potential low mmr viewers watching, as sometimes irony/humor (though funny and hilarious) can feel like you are being serious or difficult to tell appart for them. Could be a bit missleading or leave people wondering what they should do instead.
Watching the last game made me realize too the huge negative reinforcements wc3 can create and that can ruin your progression building bad habits. Sometimes it's very difficult to isolate when things go south, especially when they are the right call but get countered due to micro or timings like the orc expansion. I find a lot of frustration too from similar stuff when im apparently "doing the right thing" and then get run over by random/stupid stuff (simple to execute like massing, cheese, all ins, etc). Eg, you feel you have done everything right, but you didnt scout for 30 seconds and suddenly the enemy has built 6 towers next to a goldmine and now you lost the window to stop a expansion. Can also work the other way around, wrong possitive reinformecents, which I think can be related to why bronze players get all these upgrades, dont work on their base layouts, go t2 expansion or get weird army compositions. They might get the upgrades just because the icon is cool and didnt even read what they do though, i remember doing that when i started playing🤣
Please keep this up!!
"It pains me to even look at these games"
Altered Quote: Lord Antonidas moments before his death
Watching these games really gives me the courage to try playing WC3. Cause I might not ever reach Grubby's level, but at the very least I hopefully have competitive games against these people xD
This content is amazing! Love it (and can relate to it). Thanks Grubby!
At this point, this is turning into addiction
This is so good :D U try to think like they think in what and how they do stuff. I feel like most of them dont realy think about the game timings. They just play and build what they want to build.
Loving this series for all the explanations and actually showing all levels of play are fun to watch.
Please upload more bronze league videos Grubby love the content and can't get enough of it ❤️
love that bronze league commentary videos ;D
What i noticed is modern meta awareness (ancient creeping, wisp detonate) that greatly contrasts with the low skill demonstrated
More of this series, please. It is addicting like your tier list.
This really makes me want to play some games of w3 on the ladder. I'd be a feared player in the mean streets of low bronze
Grubby, this is top content, so entertaining, thank you for covering non-top players ^^
Pizza reference is on point
Some how this is great and I also learn so much :)
loving these videos where you analyse lower rated player games. Because i very much play like them so i really see what im doing wrong
Grubby what is your opinion on changing staff of preservation to deselect and remove the targeted unit from all control groups. I think it would help out a lot of low level players to not bring back injured units by accident.
really a talented caster
Wisp emote + "51" in Gold color on it ❤
I hope the people who get casted on here end up seeing the videos! They'd learn so much.
very nice videos, and commentary
The 51 pop thing on low level is simply, because players forget to check their current upkeep.
It happens on accident.
VanHelsing was the clear favorite to win the second game given how things started. He's way better than muha. I'm shocked that they have basically the same MMR.
such a GREAT first game
I can't understand how so many people aren't staying at low pop. They even know strats like build orders, the right heroes, efficient creeping, so many things I have little to no idea about yet one of the first things I figured was to stay at low pop. It just makes no sense to me
How do you see these bronze league videos? Right now I’m coming back into the game and am in bronze league.
I like how you comment Grub, but I'd love to see you go back Tryhard Tournaments. You are one of the top three when you're at your best. You can beat anybody. You can win Tournaments. It would just be nice for the sport you know. And if you loose, you loose, doesn't matter, you played!
This has to have been the worst (best) one yet. VanHelsing a true visionary
This is an amazing series
thanks for the great content Grubby, would you consider playing more 4v4?
I like watching WC3 but haven't played for more than a decade and mostly played customs, why do undead players always build a necropolis with their haunted gold mine? I get it defends at level 2 and is required to tp there but surely there are situations where that investment is better spent elsewhere but it's always immediate. Does the necropolis create blight or something so it's required or the gold mine will slowly die like sc?
VAN HELSING!
This series makes me want to come back to play warcraft.
powerbuilding in low leagues is 100% an UI issue. it's not very clear that it's using extra resources to build, and it's even less clear just how much it is.
13:20 diversity is green's strength.
already getting attached to these future stars
Hey grubby how are you doing, I was playing warcraft 3 the previus day when I realized I keep losing too much , and the reason for that is being harrassed at early game . and so i did not know how to defend a harrassment I end up fighting 2 heros 1 with lvl 3 and him having t2 or t3 units while i have about 2 t1 units and 1 hero that is lvl 1 ( to sum it up i just wnat to know how to defend harrasement)
1 Tower is really all you need as a Bronze league with low APM.
Did you get buff secretly? You look like you have been training quite some shoulders in this video :D
what is sleep when grubby posts? XD
There are good ideas and strategies there (unless you try pumping out 7 production buildings), but players are mostly held back by more limited APM, which translates to more sloppy gameplay. They are not pro players, it's not a jab against them, I'm sure everyone works with what they got.
love this content!
Damn, i want to do a tc raider build with mass speed buffs and call it Speed Freeks..
I think there were some nice cheese strats in 4v4 by massing raiders and sniping bases.
If that doesn't work, you obviously immediately alt+f4 :P
come on mirage!!!! u had this
can you do a 2v2 of this format?
Night elf could've probably won simply by focusing more on creeping to make his higher level heroes even stronger and also by focusing rifles a bit more
I was rooting for him :(
Love the series
Two Bronze League Heros in 1 day sign me up
hahaahahah fairy dragons +5 moral support
priest master upgrade for more mana for healing!
I'm bummed all the videos lately have been bronze league stuff, I enjoy watching YOU play, not random baddies -- hope you will mix some of your games in with these at least. Miss ya.
Love those bronze game reviews!
You've never seen van helsing!? Consider yourself lucky!
add their names in title
I find myself killing one of my units or workers because I too get over 50 sometimes by accident :v
Bronze league 🥉 looks good. I always get rushed by everyone.
VanHelsing must be a member of r/antiwork, why must peasants work all day every day? They deserve a break.
more high level play plz 😢
Vanhelsing77 the beast noob muahahaha😅
#51
Day 3 of asking grubby to review one of my rookie matches
This is something worse than bronze 😭😭
MORE MORE MORE BRONZE xD
I went through an entire range of emotions lol you cringe going 8 idle workers? But laugh with the full mana MK death
The real gold is in the bronze league
Suggesting a necro wagon game with undead
Fairy dragons were DEI hire, to similar results XD
Dang... Reforged is one of the most disgusting money grabs I've ever seen, but I'm going to have to buy it, just so I can play online :(
You can try to get a regular Warcraft 3 Gold Edition key. They are cheaper than Reforged and you can still play online without Reforged.
@@daviddavidson1450 Thats what i did, now i want to play online ha
@@gigaturok Thanks i will check it out
51.
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Wow this is the worst game I've seen in my life. I can't watch any more bronze age heroes. It's too much for me 😂
First
Can you resume videos of you playing pls? This is painful to watch 😂