Soft Dramatic vs. Dramatic vs. Dramatic Classic through the lens of Body Geometry | Club Q&A Excerpt
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2022
- This is an excerpt from a Club Q&A I recently did, I hope you enjoy! Here's a link to Club where you can find the full video:
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Body Typing and Color together, as well as how they interact, and essence reading:
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To be honest, I started watching but there were no pictures, so I gave up. It seems reasonable to add images when you're talking about smth visual
Imagination
If you want to know how tall you look, ask a guy, they usually have no idea how tall we are but definitely have an idea on how tall we look.
Thanks for a great video. If it helps, as an SD my main or obvious signposts: SDs usually have a BIG cheek area, making their large eyes look small-normal sized. They also look great with BIiiiiG hair!! They feel big (to themselves) but their wrists/ankles/elbows look surprisingly delicate on their frame. Finally, they look best and balanced in big patterns, not small ones.
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Do SDs always have big eyes (even if they might look smaller bc of their facial proportions and flesh) or is it more of an optional thing?
@@kalashnikova_mainly optics. They have generally normal sized eyes, (eg Eva Mendez, Ava Gardner) but its mainly the strong bones and larger cheek area that make them look proportionally not huge which gives them a womanly rather than girlish vibe or essence. Eyes that take up more space optically than cheeks ( like Twiggy) give off a girlish vibe.
Facts
The kibbe system has to do with how garments need to be made differently to fit different size people. If your shoulders are wider than the rest of your frame, then you need to adjust for width, i.e., make the pattern wider at the shoulders without changing the rest of the garment. To accomplish that, you can use different fabrics, or cuts, or shaping, etc. If your bust area sticks out further on the sides than the top of the shoulder, then you have to accommodate for that curve. To do this, you need garments that allow for that either with the use of different fabrics or the cut of the area at the bust or the garment shaping. If you are longer in the torso or leg/arms, you have to accommodate for vertical. This means that the sleeves, hems, crotch length, inseams, and waists need to be made longer.
Examples: Pure Classics (Kibbe does not recognize Pure Classics anymore but it is a good starting point to talk about the accommodations needed for the other types) would not need any accommodations for their clothing because they are the exact size and scale that the garment was made for. They can use medium weight and medium scale fabrics and symmetry because that is how the garment was designed to fit.
Dramatic Classics have longer torsos or longer legs/arms, so their garments need to accommodate that by being longer in those areas - vertical accommodation.
Soft Classics have a bust that extends past the top of the shoulder at the sides, so we need to accommodate this curve. - curve
Flamboyant Naturals are wider through the shoulder and need to accommodate that extra width, and they are longer in torso and/or legs/arms - width, vertical.
Soft Naturals have wider shoulders and need to accommodate that, and they have busts that extend past the top of the shoulder on the side so they have to accommodate that curve - width, curve.
Dramatics are long in both torso and legs/arms, so they need to accommodate that length in both top and bottom - vertical, vertical.
Soft Dramatics are long in torso and/or legs/arms so need to accommodate that length and they have busts that extend past the top of the shoulder at the side so they need to accommodate that curve - vertical, curve.
Romantics have to accommodate busts that extend further to the side than the top of the shoulder, and they have hips that extend to the side further than the top of the shoulder. They have to accommodate both of those curves - curve, curve
Theatrical Romantics, Flamboyant Gamines, and Soft Gamines are all petite and have to accommodate that by shortening their garments in the waist, crotch, inseams, sleeves, collars, etc.
Theatrical Romantics have busts that extend further to the side than the top of the shoulder, so they have to accommodate that curve. They also have longer torsos or arms/legs, so they need to accommodate vertical (in comparison to the rest of their petite frames). - petite, curve, vertical
Flamboyant Gamines have longer torsos and/or legs/arms, so they need to accommodate for vertical (in comparison to the rest of their petite frame). - petite, vertical
(In my opinion, some Flamboyant Gamines might need to accommodate for width if their shoulders are wider than their frame - width. Kibbe says that if they had to accommodate for width, they would be Flamboyant Naturals, but I disagree slightly due to their petite stature and the way clothing has to be sized down for petites.)
Soft Gamines have busts that extend further to the side than the top of their shoulders, and they have to accommodate for that curve - petite, curve
(In my opinion, some Soft Gamines might need to accommodate for width if their shoulders are wider than their frame - width. Kibbe says that if they had to accommodate for width that they would be Soft Naturals but I disagree slightly due to their petite stature and the way clothing has to be sized down for petites.)
When talking about scale of pattern or detail, then the overall size/stature of the body needs to be considered. A petite frame can use petite patterns, and they would have relatively the same scale as a vertical frame using a larger pattern. Small ruffles on small frames, larger ruffles on larger frames. Small necklaces on small frames, larger necklaces on larger frames, etc.
Wow, very insightful. You present this observation with confidence, I'd love to know how you came to understand Kibbe this way. Very helpful to me, thank you. 🙏
Ahhh, "Style Chat"? Was that your source, or do you and her share a source? Kibble FB Group perhaps?
you're literally the ONLY person in all of youtube and reddit land who is actually helpful about explaining SD and doesn't just go "Oh. Sofia Vergara." Like omg ppl need to stop basing the entire kibbe SD type around her it's crazy stupid. The costume jewelery and hair test just ended an 8 month trial of repeatedly slamming my head against the computer screen hell. Massive extravagent costume jewelery is hardly even noticeable on me, it just effortlessly seams into my body like it's natural and was always there to begin with. Dainty jewlery or a singular simple necklace always looks like I'm trying too hard. And I made this one beautiful deep V super dramatic floor length gown with super crisp angular lines in a deep shiny metallic purple that looks more natural and casual on me than tshirts do. Tshirts always look stupid on me. If I don't dress ostentatious I always look like I'm wearing someone else's clothes. THANK. YOU.
I am SD, without a doubt, but I lean towards pure D, as I am quite yang looking and not very voluptuous. Compared to the SD archetypes I am sharper than most, but standing next to Ds I look much softer. Anyways, I look great in very asymmetrical necklines, AND I look great wearing costume jewelry. In fact, I have some outfits that combine the two. Since I'm rather tall, I don't seem to fit the DC category, but I think that DC lines look great on me as they blend in the yin and yang perfectly and it matches my unique blend of sharp and soft features.
I love this! Your point about costume jewelry really helped me. I *love* wearing huge, gaudy jewelry and I get compliments all the time. I thought I was a SD but this kinda seals the deal for me. 😊❤
You have great insights but without visuals to back it up I find it difficult to follow along or retain this information .
I found that really helpful! I'm an SD I think and I really suit big hair and large jewellery and satin fabrics whereas I never ever get drawn to anything asymmetrical or severe looking as it just makes me look weird!!
Today I tried on a coat that was very long just to confirm again that it would look bad on me 😂 knee lenght is perfect for me and after this video I find myself again with being a dramatic classic. Although I am 5‘9
How great that you are settling in to DC!
In my fantasy, I'm a dramatic classic. But anything TOO angular or piping etc., as much as I adore it, it looks really separate on me. I don't have enough symmetry for symmetry to look good on me.
Hi Claudia, is IT the Case, that Maybe your head isnt little? And perhaps you havent got Long legs?
Welcome to DC area...iam 5,7 by the way.
@@darjadrake4210 Hi there, I always think my head isnt small but when I see a head to toe pic it is not big 🤷🏻♀️ my legs are neighter long nor short. I have a longer torso
@@bitrudder3792 where do you see yourself?
@@claudiah8905 - at my height, I'm supposed to be either D, SD or FN. my body lines/flesh put me in the SD category but my face is not cooperating with the diva chic thing, ornate jewelry it's just too much on me, ditto Ethnic/rustic FN jewelry or the looser clothing lines of FN. Nothing about me looks sharp in my face, so D. looks over the top, and while the minimal D thing looks good, The starker straighter and more angular lines do nothing for me. I feel like a toned down and moderate SD, that needs some asymmetry, luxury, softness and some flow, but not the Fu Fu grand details, Much better with a minimal and almost no - accessory look. Gotta keep taking things off, like a classic. Does that make sense?
Wow, thanks so much for simplifying the concepts. I look great in asymmetric necklines and same color top to toe, but I’m barely 5’4 with waspish waist n full bottom and legs, whereas my top half is taut and small. I have always suspected that I’m a dramatic not a theatric romantic.
Your videos are the most enlightening for me ✨ hope you can update more often
Very useful tips. These types 'tests' should help a lot of people make up their mind.
I'm definitely either dramatic or dramatic classic. I don't own any asymmetric necklines so I'll have to go try stuff on to see which seems more likely
I’ve learned so much from your videos, thank you!
I just want to thank you for this video from the bottom of my heart.
I've been stuck between these 3 for years now - I have huge eyes and soft flesh on a narrow and elongated face, with the exception of a large-to-moderate nose(though small for my ethnicity). Small and taut upper body with a small waist on large and very rounded thighs. The only thing I know for a fact that I need is structure and the only think I know I DON'T have is any width or blunted lines.
This is a game changer.
I am soft dramatic for sure then because I wear costume jewelry like crazy and I look off with more minimal jewelry looks
It's quite hard for me to say if costume jewelry suits me since I don't like most costume jewelry (I mean the look of it by itself, not when wearing it). I think costume jewelry doesn't look bad on me. On the contrary, it actually looks better than expected but I just don't wear any big jewelry pieces most of the time or no jewelry at all (even though I probably should). Big hair does suit me a lot and my bone structure is rather sharp, also high cheekbones and other sharp facial features but at the same time flesh is more soft/lush which could mean I'm a SD
Thank you for this video! I was also wondering about the three (mainly SD and DC I guess cause i can't handle outfits without waist emphasis)
And since we're on that theme can I aask you how to test between sharpened moderate and blended sharpened?
Please can you do a video on Rochelle Humes and/or Georgia May Foote. I like their style :)
Great video! It got me thinking about breaking up the silhouette and I have a question. I know that for gamine (mixed) breaking up the vertical line works great. So in this video you say that assymmetry works great for D (sharpened), could one call this breaking the horizontal line? I usually thrive in outfits that break up my horizontal line. For example when I wear a jacket and I leave it open. Or when I wear a band shirt that has a block print on it. It breaks up the silhouette in 3 vertical stripes, sort of like this: arm | chest | arm. And that looks really good on me usually, better than when I don't break up anything at all or when I break my vertical line. I can however break up my vertical line, as long as I also break up my horizontal line like that. I've never found anyone talking about breaking up the silhouette this way. And I'm not even sure if it's kibbe at all. Do you know what I'm talking about and how it could correlate with kibbe IDs?
I got lost after she dropped the technical names--can someone make a key? "sharpened" = dramatic, "soft and sharp" = dramatic classic??? etc
Wait does SD also have a super small head or only Dramatic? I'm back to being confused. If everything I said before is true and i look effortless in costume jewelery and extravagant shiny and metallic fabrics, BUT they still need to be SHARP distinct lines, continuous lines, i have a super small head (I'm five feet and everyone actively is shocked by that saying i photograph 5'10 -not joking) and when i have costume jewelry on and my natural hair texture is present (somewhere between 3a and 3b very wild thick) as effortless as those things all look on me they BRING OUT the strong angles in my face and make me look even more sharp. ...am I dramatic? Im so stuck between dramatic and soft dramatic. Now I'm really getting convinced I'm dramatic cuz you said it's "the whole picture"
That still leaves me stuck. I was leaning towards soft dramatic because I had mixed amounts of taut and soft flesh but The ornate jewelry that goes with it always feels over the top. And balanced symmetry does not work on me. My height puts me in the three tall categories at over 5 foot eight. Pure sharp/straight lines look horrible and harsh on me. My face can't handle it. It doesn't necessarily flatter my body. But the extra wide shoulder beveled sharp FN stuff looks way off and left field for me. Dumpy. Sloppy. Too rustic. Overly revealed in something bodycon. I feel like I am at some point in the middle of the triangle of the three top tall types. Narrow shoulders, wide hips, soft flesh, high cheekbones, tall, better in asymmetrical elongated things that accommodate curve at top and bottom, Flow but with moderation & simplicity. Less is more in the jewelry and accessory department. Boldness easily overtakes me. Having a summer palette makes things even more moderate, though I have fairly high contrast. This video got my hopes up again, Not sure why I want to be put in a box. 😅
@@ritabkat - I love hearing how you analyze your features. Probably because I'm doing it piece by piece myself. Smoky sultry eyes are a big no-no for me. I look like I've been in my mothers make up. And I'm over 60, 🤣. And I'm not like pear-shaped on the bottom for that extra generous romantic curve. But yeah, I also had to get rid of/stop wearing jewelry that has sharp angles, including some black stuff I had from when I was playing like I was a DYT4. Way too harsh. In the world of Olga's ethereal's, I resonate most with the luminous one, but not completely. I have too much contrast, but everything else about the simplicity is spot on. And I like being barefoot or wearing shoes that match my legs.
In David Zyla's world, I'm like a jewel tone summer, and that actually vibes well with soft dramatic. But maybe a little softer than jewel tone just not quite all the way to soft summer. There's a spot called dark summer that fits really well except there are zero light colors in it. Sucks when you live in a semitropical area. I think I should have been born in a beach resort, lol!
I have found it super helpful to paste Headshots on top of photos of outfits on people that fit certain Kibbe lines (more or less) to get a feel for what essence I vibe with the best, and clothing lines in general. I think it's helping. The same themes keep coming up over and over again about what works and what doesn't work. Thanks for your detailed answer, appreciate it!
@@bitrudder3792 have you looked into Kitchener essences? Gabrielle Arruda is coming out with some very detailed videos of each one, including the ethereal essence, which might interest you! (she still hasn't come out with dramatic or gamine yet to my knowledge - but she's working on them!)
Ethereal?
TR?
@@lynnfox8376 Kibbe body types has 5 main (10 total) body types: dramatic, natural, classic, gamine, and romantic. These have to do with the Geometry of your body only (not face anymore). It looks at how fabric drapes over your body and which silhouettes/lines suit your body. You can only be one Kibbe body type in this system. Kitchener essences is another beauty system which is said to be 20% body and 80% your face. Kitchener essences has 7 essences: dramatic, natural, classic, gamine, romantic, ingenue, and ethereal. In this system you can be a *blend* of up to all essences but typically people focus on their top 3 essences. Like for myself for example, I think I'm a Dramatic Kibbe body type with a Kitchener essence blend of Dramatic, Romantic, and Ethereal. (keep in mind that the Kibbe body types with the same Kitchener essence name is not a 1:1 comparison, it's important to do research about it). Kibbe body types is spoken about by a lot of UA-camrs AlyArt, Merriam Style, EllieJean from Body and Style, and Gabrielle Arruda. Kitchener Essence I've seen galkabkjt about from Gabrielle Arruda and EllieJean from Body and Style. I highly recommend Gabrielle Arruda's essence videos - they are very thorough and give fantastic examples of how to integrate your Kitchener essence with your Kibbe body type.
Is there something such as dramatic famine or dramatic romantic I downloaded an app called DNA style and it has been giving such results
I think a dramatic romantic would technically be called a theatrical romantic.
could be Soft Dramatic. My "essence" is Dramatic Romantic and I'm a Soft Dramatic.
Yes, there are such things. Dwyn Larson developed Kibbie theory and added many things to that theory. I don't know why but the information about Larson theory is only available in Russian. And I personally prefer Larson theory.
Casual and business casual for theatrical romantics please
I’m Latin, I don’t understand the concept of costume jewelry this is the first time I hear that term.
UHG I am so confused
I think I look so good in a symmetry of the shoulders! But there is no way I'm a flamboyant natural or dramatic. I'm only 5"5 and I got some SMALLLLL hands and feet. My head is small though. I know I have a long vertical line. I think I'm a TR but I'll never know for sure.
@@saralbruno - So both of those types look nice in ornate jewelry, TR and SD. But I think of SDS being more like an Amazon, tall and TR as being more delicate. Little hands, a little bones, dainty, is that like do you? A little sharp and a little curve?
Great tips on distinguishing DC from the rest, very clarifying 👍🏻. Those tiny details are EVERYTHING! Thank you Merriam! ❤
@@saralbruno kibbe says don't look at singular features but the overall bodily impression . if the first thing people notice in you in length. you are probably dramatic
You look particularly beautiful in this video 😊
At this point I'm convinced 'body geometry' is just a cope to deal with the fact that you're not a kibbe soft gamine. why be an adult and admit you were wrong and experiencing resistance like everyone else when you can gaslight yourself and everyone and bs your way into beliving you're actually different than a kibbe yang in a an entirely different ,way better system instead ?!
I'd stick to color analysis. your work there has been the most iconic and authentic .
Well she is adult enough not to delete your comment or block you. I have been blocked by creators just for politely disagreeing with them. Not even criticising them.
Btw I find Merriam's approach very practical. For years I struggled with Kibbe. When Merriam came out with her system BAM everything solved. Easy peasy. Never looked back. Now I always look amazing because I am wearing the right lines.
I'm so glad you are making videos again ❤️❤️❤️❤️