By listening just long enough - but not partaking in the criticism with a subordinate - Winters once again demonstrated his natural leadership skills. He was in his mid 20's during this part of his life. Amazing maturity.
Bob Donovan Absolutely. He was 9 days away from turning 27 in this scene. Plus after having to deal with Sobel, he was surely an expert in navigating the chain of command.
well, you have to be able to express confidence or lack there of in your CO. If you don't have confidence in your CO, it is both reflective of those under you and reflective of your actions there after. You will question each decision of your leader. Hesitation on the battlefield will get you killed or worst, will get someone else killed. At least when the issue of lack of confidence in your CO is brought up to your command, it can be corrected. A prime example of this is the NCO "mutiny" brought up right before D-Day with Sobel.
"...but it would also be unbecoming of my status as an officer to agree with you." I was in a similar situation. I checked into a reserve Marine company as the new E5 Doc. I was being briefed on the injury profiles and one was was a Line of Duty case for one of the reserve captains. The guy checked into drill weekend and already had back pain and tried lifting his ruck for a march and injured himself further. My CO briefed me on this and I said "oh. So this guy is just a dumbass." I don't recall if my CO agreed with me, but I sure recall that he never reprimanded me for disrespecting an officer. 😂😂
Not really. Before this scene, he went around making sure the guys are all ok physically and mentally. He gave pep talks to those who's morale was low and even sent one guy who was clearly losing his mind, to the aid station in town for a hot meal. It was the guys that feedbacked to Cpt Winters and Lt Speirs what he had done that secured his battlefield commision.
It prob hurt him to be fair , winters was not happy about it when he told him , u can’t do that in the army u would just get moved to another company ASAP , but on flip side the next day what he said was proved right , that’s why he got promoted , but I can guarantee winters after the nco revolt in England was worried about something similar and was the same guy leading it again, his cards were marked until that next morning
@@BipoIarbear No Winter respects honesty and actually he did same thing with their training officer before they were send to combat. Also this was text book how you should deal with your men listen them but do not take sides openly, later on in other scene he actually speaks about that matter with Nixon.
@@BipoIarbear Would you tell your soldier that you don't trust your own officer and your hands are tied openly and thus taking risk rumors start to go around and soon soldier know you don't trust officer and most extreme case same rumor reach said officer ear. As a leader your job is listen your soldiers and your officers and make decisions. As i said Winter took hint about what was said and talked about it with another officer, Nixon without extra years to hears discussion.
What’s even more impressive, is that all these scenes were shot indoors. You ever notice how there is no vapor coming out with their breath? They shot all these scenes indoors, but through framing, affects, and clever use of focus, you would never notice it until it’s pointed out to you
@@goreoproductions6955 Yeah, I don't think they'd perfected the technology used nowadays that puts realistic looking breath/vapor into winter scenes. If it were made today, that would be corrected.
@@APTKC2025 They did have the technology though. Ice Cubes. They just put them in their mouth. You can see some vapour in some scenes but they probably didn't do it before every take.
I love how Winters’ reply to Lipton’s complaints was just “Thank you, Sergeant. That will be all.” Cause, in as much as Winters agreed with Lip’s statement, he did not want to undermine his subordinate officers to his enlisted men. He withheld his sympathies cause he knew it would not only undermine his officers but more importantly would lower morale of the enlisted. This is leadership.
As a young E-5 I was told by my section E-7, If you're not the lowest ranking person in the room, you shouldn't be complaining. Thats a lesson that stuck.
@@rodnabors7364 As Captain Miller said in Saving Private Ryan, complaints go up, not down. A private complains to his corporal, a corporal complains to his sergeant, sergeant to lieutenant, lieutenant to captain and so on and so on. Soldiers never want to see their leaders complaining because that indicates something is wrong and lowers morale.
Very well articulated. Actual accurate factual intelligence within units is often a complicated process. The formal leadership and informal leadership relationships are often fraught with misunderstandings. Knowing when it’s important enough to share in confidence with leadership allows for the leadership to find the correct solutions and work out the contingencies that are possible. The heads up is simply information that confirms the relationship between individuals and if it makes into records or facilitates actions it’s only because the problem was noted previously and required confirmation. People often misunderstand the chain of command and the interconnected relationship between individuals and ranks... the duties and responsibilities are the glue that holds everything together properly.
I love how when Winters says something to his men, he doesn't sound judgemental about it. In this scene where he says I didn't figure you for a smoking man, at first kind of sounds like I put down, but you know coming from Winters there is no less respect for the men under him. True leader.
I thought he said that to acknowledge that being right in front of an Arty shell that failed to go off and basically had had their lives flash before their eyes messed up the other person mentally enough that he really felt the need to smoke.
@@youtubecommenter37 It's this comment here, Winters knows his men and shows familiarity with their habits and acknowledged it in a way that would make you feel comfortable but also aware that the person talking too you knows you on a personal level and is opening up with that part of the conversation made Lipton feel comfortable enough too share his concerns with his CO
I love this exchange. The way Winters looks at Lipton, probably the most principled and moral bloke in the company, knowing that to say what he said goes against everything he believed in terms of loyalty, and that he’d only say it anyway if he truly believed it was necessary to preserve the lives of the men. His character makes his words have much more weight.
"Thank you, Sergeant. That'll be all" (and not "Thank you, Lip") includes many meanings. MAJ. Winters agrees with Lipton, but he cannot say it because he should keep the integrity and chain of command of the Easy company. FSG. Lipton also understands it. An amazing scene.
@@AnhTrieu90 he was definitely a little bit reckless when it came to him and taking care of his company. But he was truly a "lead by example" commander through and through
0:30 Lipton did what he had to do, to look after his men. Eventhough he felt like it was a long shot, he still did it. He just wanted to make sure that all those guys were safe and sound. Lipton was a true combat leader, no doubt.
That stuttered line by Wahlberg was left in, since Damien Lewis and other actors proceeded with their lines without a flaw. It was decided that the flawed line was more realistic and decided not to redo the scene.
Important context for this scene is that Lipton led the group that went to Sink to support Winters and go against Sobel back before D-Day. Lipton put (at least) his career on the line back then for the good of the men, and Winters knows it. So much subtly to the acting in this scene.
I remember listening to Lipton in interviews, and he was right up there with Winters on tactical command, just naturals. My dad told me he would follow his sgts anywhere, they were that good.!
He said that because he was Lipton and he was talking to Winters. He knew Winters for a long time through combat and training, and they had a mutual respect. In most scenarios, this doesn't work .
Definitely the reason he kept D company in reserve, so that Spiers wouldn’t be harmed by Dike’s incompetence and so that Spiers would be able to run in and take charge
Well, as far as I know, the choice of Lt Speirs to replace Dike during the attack was not a deliberate decision. He just happened to be the first officer seen by Winters in that situation
Read this scene from the book ⬇️ " Looking about, he discovered that the frost created by the freezing fog was building up on the sides of the foxhole. Stiffening his shoulders, Winters rubbed them back and forth, using friction to melt away the icy layers. He then glanced upward as a figure approached. It was First Sergeant Lipton. He knelt by his captain’s foxhole. Winters always kept his door open for Lipton whenever his highly regarded first sergeant had something on his mind.“Everything okay, Lip?” Winters asked cautiously, recalling the last time Lipton visited him, with news about Hoobler.“The men are fine, sir. They’re bedded down, trying to get what sleep they can,” Lipton replied. Then he was quiet.“Anything else, Sergeant?”“It’s Lieutenant Dike, sir.”“Is he missing again?” Winters asked disgustedly.“No, he’s in his foxhole, sir,” Lipton said. Then he hesitated. “It’s just that, well, the men are concerned about him leading this attack tomorrow. They don’t feel he can cut it, and to be quite honest, I agree. I don’t think he knows what he’s doing.”“He’ll be fully briefed tomorrow,” Winters replied. “I’ll be doing it personally. Anything else, Sergeant?”“No, sir,” Lipton said, then saluted and left.Nixon looked at Winters.“He’s right, you know,” Nixon said. “Dike’s a bean counter. He’s not cut out for this.”“I’m aware of that, Nix, but what can I do? I can’t relieve Dike because I think he’s incompetent and I don’t like him. No, I have to go with the hand the army dealt me and it doesn’t matter how I feel.”At dawn, 2nd Battalion was ready and Easy Company was in its assault position at the edge of the Bois Jacques. Winters met with Dike and gave him his final instructions.“You’ve got two hundred fifty yards of open ground to cover, so you can’t hesitate,” Winters told his lieutenant. “You’ve got to get the company across fast. Push them, kick them, shove them, whatever, but keep moving and don’t bunch up. Lieutenant Reese has two sections of machine guns set up to cover you. But most importantly, you have to keep moving. Get into the town, secure the area and link up with I Company.”Winters had done all he could. The rest was in Dike’s hands, a realization that left Winters extremely uneasy." 😊
"I did something I never expected to do as First Sergeant" -> Criticize leadership up the chain _That was one of the first things you did in the series._
One of the E Company soldiers (Perconte) lived in Joliet, IL, about 5 miles from where I grew up. I didn’t know about it until he died, a couple of years after BOB was made. I wish I had known. I would love to have met him.
What matters here is Lipton reached out and, b/c he was such a reliable leader, helped reinforce Winters' sense of Lt. Dyke's limitations - this meant that when Lt. Dyke (in the portrayal here - not necessarily in real life) was botching the attack, Winters had less reason to second guess himself... he listened to his Sgt. yet worked with what he had until it was clear that Lt. Dyke couldn't hack it, and then called in Spiers quite quickly....
That was a good topic segue, I think I'll use that. " All in all I have every confidence in my team,sir. But I have no confidence on our supervisor, he's just not there, an empty uniform, and probably would make a lot us employees resign.".
At a time when you were expected to speak your mind and not have to worry about reprisal or reprimand. The Sargent's were the ones in the trenches and on the line about their men. The officers were worried about results, but Winters was also a Sargent once and understood where Lipton was coming from.
i like how you say "at a time" when earlier in the series all the NCOs wouldve been shot for their mutiny if not for the fact they were about to jump and easy company wouldnt have had leadership.
The talk helped. Lipton said there was nothing Winters could do about it, but he was wrong. Winters showed up to watch the attack go in and was able to send Speirs in for the rescue. Lipton and Winters both did the best they could do with a bad situation and it paid off.
The fact that all but one of Easy company veterans are dead is upsetting. The world is less without them. The greatest generation to ever live is dying and my generation is not giving me any hope for my future. Hard times make Hard men. Good times make Soft men.
I actually worked with a guy I used to call "Foxhole Norman" every time he had to make a simple decision he would worry so much about being wrong and getting in trouble he would end up making no decisions, or he would change his mind after we'd waste time doing the first thing he'd have us start doing (he was a crew lead.) Then there was a weekend where everyone wondered where he was and he said he was on the phone with the customer. For 4 hours. When nobody else in that same position had ever even needed to make a phone call. Luckily, it wasn't military it was just a civilian job and nobody died or got hurt when things were stupid.
I agree wholeheartedly with what everyone is saying about Major Winters...however, it is because of how some officers in charge treat men like chess pieces to obtain and overrun an enemy stronghold is why I left the Marines (Honorably). I understand that it's what they have to do, but I also know that the men that die doing it are never coming back.
Winters could do nothing. Linton knew it but had voice his concerns for his own consciousness, maybe so he can sleep at night after his men are killed under poor leadership.
In Life we know by actions of our superiors ...What needs to be said and what ..most likely will happen...someone pointed out how young these men were in the war...God has a plan...we are made for that moment and for that time...God Bless Easy company ..God bless the Greatest Generation ..God Bless America...in 2021 I don't recognize it at all.:(
Dike got a bit of a raw deal from the BOB book and show. He was wounded in the attack on Foy which probably was part of the reason for him stopping the attack. Obviously he wasn't a good leader, but I doubt that he was a coward as was depicted in the TV series.
@@EtzEchad Very well said, always found it a lil sad the way he was portrayed when in fact it's more like how you put it. Easy didn't see him as anything special and him being wounded during Foy probably didn't help his case much, but still you don't just get handed those accolades and honors back then. Mediocre for Easy, a head and shoulders above the rest.
Having only watched the attack on Foy, I don't think what he did was cowardice per say. He should have been able to lead, but sometimes under fire people panic and there's nothing to do about it except send them to the back and keep moving.
I wouldn't call him a coward per say, he's depicted as an officer that needs things to stay orderly in something as chaotic as war. Notice he tells his platoons to stay in visual range and to hold up rather than keep the attack moving, he wants unit cohesion but in an attack like that you can't stop forward momentum. Ultimately it's too much pressure and he breaks down, which this show does show more than enough and it shows how war can break even the strongest men like Buck.
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"I did something I would have never imagined myself doing"...Lipton, you straight-up comitted a mutiny against Sobel. If anything, you already have experience in expressing displeasure about your commanding officers.
Expressing displeasure against Sobel and Dike is normal but no one (especially Lipton) can imagine themselves complaining about anything towards Winters and Winters himself can see all the complaints and problems before anyone else can speak about them.
In demonstrating leadership, courage can be exemplified more so by saying what needs to be said than by the actions of someone. By stating something, perhaps proposed actions can be avoided or at least reduced.
Lipton did what he had to do: voice concern about the ability of his CO to lead the unit into battle. Winters was a good officer by not only listening but having Spiers in mind just in case.
I wish I could have the experience of being on the front line without all the danger. I am simultaneously so jealous of the brotherhood and purpose that these men had --- yet also terrified at what they had to endure.
Another flasehood though, Lt Dike led a succesful defence in Holland, gathering scattered soldiers around, this got him a Bronze Star, he also got a seconf Bronze Star in Bastogne for rescuing 3 wounded soldiers from Easy Company whilst under fire. Series got a few things wrong about a few characters, but I guess they had to make a story.
"I said what I had to say. There was nothing more this could do. Dike was a made man and Compton wasn't. We had to sit back and take it... it was some real grease ball shit."
poor Dike, he was a decent soldier, they made him look very bad for dramatic purposes. since this show is otherwise pretty accurate historically it makes it even worse for the poor guys' family.
@@311jbknight Shit, boiling anything in cold enough weather can turn to snow in a heartbeat. Look up videos, it's incredible. A guy tossed a pot of boiling water into the air and it became snow in half a second.
Did WW2 battalions have a CSM? If so, then the CSM, not the 1SG, that should be bringing up matters of low confidence from the enlisted in the officers to the BN CMDR.
Man he sure did pan out all these years later becoming the detective he has become on blue bloods 😂😂 the war really flipped a switch if only those stupids perps knew 😂
No he's not, 90% of the time he plays the same unlikable character in his movies and over acts in them. Mark is just more prettier then Donnie is. Hollywood cares more about looks then talent.
@@Bigmojojo Watch "The Departed", "Deepwater Horizon", and "Boogie Nights". I'm not ripping on Donnie here, I think they're both equally talented actors.
The difference between WWII and nowadays, any SGT or SSG+ and god forbid an Infantry 1SG saw what was taking place in that field, they wouldn't hesitate to order every Soldier in that field to move out and and execute that attack. The lines between leaders is very narrow nowadays and most Infantry Officers know they can count on their NCOs to execute the OPORD without further guidance. In the absence of orders, seek out the enemy, unsurrendered, and destroy them.
I mean this is the problem with OCS to begin with but I mean Winters was great. It’s hard to manage your enlisted, warrants, and officer schooled in a war. You need those skilled at specific combat, those leaders just above, and the more tactical leaders... but it just gets hard when some O2s are incompetent
Only a few can be taught leadership. The tools can be given but most never open that toolbox. The best answer is to have someone classify each officer and NCO into the jobs that suit the army the best. Like putting Sobol in charge of PJ training. He was excellent at that and wouldn't get fragged in combat by his own guys.
A lot of people talk about how Dyke was a good soldier before this and the show slanders him like it does Soble even though from what I have read and seen from others and having met WW2 Airborne people who say they knew Soble it all matches up. Thing is Dyke may have been a good soldier in his original company but you have to remember this is years into the war and Dyke has been fighting for awhile not all of these guys know every officer of the 101st he was transferred to Easy company, hell he could have transferred from a different battalion I don't know I haven't looked into it, but the thing is Shell shock wasn't a thing these men believed in yet nor was it a thing that doctors back home thought of if you had shell shock you were just a coward to a lot of them. So Dyke could have suffering from his years in the war not everyone deals with it the same some get it months others years after the fact, but you have to remind yourself this is what these men remember and it only takes one bad action to ruin you and on the wounded thing that people say happen, again a lot of these men didn't see what happens all they know is that Dyke started issuing bizarre and flat out dumb orders that could get a lot of men killed.
"The night before the attack I did something as first seargent I'd never imagined myself doing, I asked Speirs for a cigarette"
Smoking kills
but actually lipton had done precisely that on the eve of the invasion, protesting the incompetence of lt sobel.
I would pack in smoking before doing that. You wouldn’t get a chance to finish it!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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You don’t ask spiers for cigarettes.
By listening just long enough - but not partaking in the criticism with a subordinate - Winters once again demonstrated his natural leadership skills. He was in his mid 20's during this part of his life. Amazing maturity.
Bob Donovan Absolutely. He was 9 days away from turning 27 in this scene. Plus after having to deal with Sobel, he was surely an expert in navigating the chain of command.
Richard Winters was the textbook defenition of hero and a class act.
People grew up faster back then.
@@devorahacts ahh the classic ''kids these days'' argument
You were considered OLD by 30. Most women were married and starting to pop out kids by 21. The guys were expecting to be husbands and fathers.
"Thank you sergeant that will be all"
Translation: I couldn't agree with you more and it bothers me as much as it does you
Exactly
well, you have to be able to express confidence or lack there of in your CO. If you don't have confidence in your CO, it is both reflective of those under you and reflective of your actions there after. You will question each decision of your leader. Hesitation on the battlefield will get you killed or worst, will get someone else killed. At least when the issue of lack of confidence in your CO is brought up to your command, it can be corrected. A prime example of this is the NCO "mutiny" brought up right before D-Day with Sobel.
Translation: I couldn't agree with you more and it bothers me as much as its does you (And there's nothing I could do)
"thank you Sgt, you are an enlisted scum and my college buddies are better than you" ... corrected that for you
"...but it would also be unbecoming of my status as an officer to agree with you."
I was in a similar situation. I checked into a reserve Marine company as the new E5 Doc. I was being briefed on the injury profiles and one was was a Line of Duty case for one of the reserve captains. The guy checked into drill weekend and already had back pain and tried lifting his ruck for a march and injured himself further. My CO briefed me on this and I said "oh. So this guy is just a dumbass." I don't recall if my CO agreed with me, but I sure recall that he never reprimanded me for disrespecting an officer. 😂😂
This was the moment that convinced Winters to make Lipton an officer
Not really. Before this scene, he went around making sure the guys are all ok physically and mentally. He gave pep talks to those who's morale was low and even sent one guy who was clearly losing his mind, to the aid station in town for a hot meal. It was the guys that feedbacked to Cpt Winters and Lt Speirs what he had done that secured his battlefield commision.
It prob hurt him to be fair , winters was not happy about it when he told him , u can’t do that in the army u would just get moved to another company ASAP , but on flip side the next day what he said was proved right , that’s why he got promoted , but I can guarantee winters after the nco revolt in England was worried about something similar and was the same guy leading it again, his cards were marked until that next morning
@@BipoIarbear No Winter respects honesty and actually he did same thing with their training officer before they were send to combat. Also this was text book how you should deal with your men listen them but do not take sides openly, later on in other scene he actually speaks about that matter with Nixon.
Juhani Sassi it’s not how it works
@@BipoIarbear Would you tell your soldier that you don't trust your own officer and your hands are tied openly and thus taking risk rumors start to go around and soon soldier know you don't trust officer and most extreme case same rumor reach said officer ear. As a leader your job is listen your soldiers and your officers and make decisions. As i said Winter took hint about what was said and talked about it with another officer, Nixon without extra years to hears discussion.
This show is so great i can feel the warmness of that coffee through screen.
What’s even more impressive, is that all these scenes were shot indoors. You ever notice how there is no vapor coming out with their breath? They shot all these scenes indoors, but through framing, affects, and clever use of focus, you would never notice it until it’s pointed out to you
@@goreoproductions6955 Yeah, I don't think they'd perfected the technology used nowadays that puts realistic looking breath/vapor into winter scenes.
If it were made today, that would be corrected.
@@APTKC2025 They did have the technology though. Ice Cubes. They just put them in their mouth. You can see some vapour in some scenes but they probably didn't do it before every take.
I love how Winters’ reply to Lipton’s complaints was just “Thank you, Sergeant. That will be all.”
Cause, in as much as Winters agreed with Lip’s statement, he did not want to undermine his subordinate officers to his enlisted men.
He withheld his sympathies cause he knew it would not only undermine his officers but more importantly would lower morale of the enlisted.
This is leadership.
As a young E-5 I was told by my section E-7, If you're not the lowest ranking person in the room, you shouldn't be complaining. Thats a lesson that stuck.
@@rodnabors7364 As Captain Miller said in Saving Private Ryan, complaints go up, not down. A private complains to his corporal, a corporal complains to his sergeant, sergeant to lieutenant, lieutenant to captain and so on and so on. Soldiers never want to see their leaders complaining because that indicates something is wrong and lowers morale.
Generation Kill. Godfather talking to Rollin stone.
Very well articulated.
Actual accurate factual intelligence within units is often a complicated process.
The formal leadership and informal leadership relationships are often fraught with misunderstandings.
Knowing when it’s important enough to share in confidence with leadership allows for the leadership to find the correct solutions and work out the contingencies that are possible.
The heads up is simply information that confirms the relationship between individuals and if it makes into records or facilitates actions it’s only because the problem was noted previously and required confirmation.
People often misunderstand the chain of command and the interconnected relationship between individuals and ranks...
the duties and responsibilities are the glue that holds everything together properly.
@@rodnabors7364 Now you're commenting on UA-cam. No wonder we keep losing in the Middle East.
I love how when Winters says something to his men, he doesn't sound judgemental about it. In this scene where he says I didn't figure you for a smoking man, at first kind of sounds like I put down, but you know coming from Winters there is no less respect for the men under him. True leader.
Just shows that he cares and knows his men well. Definitely leadership qualities.
I thought he said that to acknowledge that being right in front of an Arty shell that failed to go off and basically had had their lives flash before their eyes messed up the other person mentally enough that he really felt the need to smoke.
@@Envy_the_Darksider Yes I agree, there's a lot unspoken in this series
It also shows that he knows his men. He knew Lipton didn’t smoke and was surprised to suddenly find him smoking
@@youtubecommenter37 It's this comment here, Winters knows his men and shows familiarity with their habits and acknowledged it in a way that would make you feel comfortable but also aware that the person talking too you knows you on a personal level and is opening up with that part of the conversation made Lipton feel comfortable enough too share his concerns with his CO
I love this exchange. The way Winters looks at Lipton, probably the most principled and moral bloke in the company, knowing that to say what he said goes against everything he believed in terms of loyalty, and that he’d only say it anyway if he truly believed it was necessary to preserve the lives of the men. His character makes his words have much more weight.
Whalberg did a great job as Lipton. Great acting!
I agree he was fantastic
Yeah Mark Whalberg is an amazing actor.
@@RoyalDog214 Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but that's not Mark Wahlberg. That's Donnie Wahlberg, Mark's older brother.
@@RoyalDog214 he's NOT Mark.. that is his brother, Donnie Wahlberg
Who would've guessed that a teenage delinquent and a pop star from the same family would end up as film and TV stars respectively
"Thank you, Sergeant. That'll be all" (and not "Thank you, Lip") includes many meanings. MAJ. Winters agrees with Lipton, but he cannot say it because he should keep the integrity and chain of command of the Easy company. FSG. Lipton also understands it. An amazing scene.
Men it hurt me when winters wanted to lead them but his boss won’t let him
Aaron Lara he was right though, because winters was a brilliant man and to lose him would be really bad
He was battalion leader by that point. His responsibilities include other companies, not just Easy.
@@AnhTrieu90 he was definitely a little bit reckless when it came to him and taking care of his company. But he was truly a "lead by example" commander through and through
Yeah me too, but it is not his job anymore
It is time to read the book which gives the true story. His boss never called him back.
0:30 Lipton did what he had to do, to look after his men. Eventhough he felt like it was a long shot, he still did it. He just wanted to make sure that all those guys were safe and sound. Lipton was a true combat leader, no doubt.
"You organize things here and I'll gonna go for...hehelp"
That stuttered line by Wahlberg was left in, since Damien Lewis and other actors proceeded with their lines without a flaw. It was decided that the flawed line was more realistic and decided not to redo the scene.
Said my McDonalds manager as he disappears into the back fridge for an hour during the lunch rush
I gotta go make a call
I need to return some video tapes
that was a fantastic episode... still to this day in 2020 this is still one of the best shows ever made.
This and the pacific
I like the Pacific more, those marines went to hell and back, but this is my 2nd fav
Hands down
Important context for this scene is that Lipton led the group that went to Sink to support Winters and go against Sobel back before D-Day. Lipton put (at least) his career on the line back then for the good of the men, and Winters knows it. So much subtly to the acting in this scene.
"He's just... he's not there Sir". That hits me for some reason
The fact that winters offering lipton a coffee is that showing his closeness to easy company
Winters is a legendary soldier. He needed a wheelbarrow to carry his balls around.
I remember listening to Lipton in interviews, and he was right up there with Winters on tactical command, just naturals. My dad told me he would follow his sgts anywhere, they were that good.!
Lt Lipton Leads, Malarky builds machines, Guarnere is cool but crude, George Luz is a party dude
hah i remember that...
gg
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When the evil Jerry attacks, these Easy boys don't cut him no slack.
nothing you won't eat Malarky.
He said that because he was Lipton and he was talking to Winters. He knew Winters for a long time through combat and training, and they had a mutual respect. In most scenarios, this doesn't work .
I'm thinking Winter's made a plan B after this conversation to make sure Speirs was within earshot if Dike failed to be able to take the company in.
Definitely the reason he kept D company in reserve, so that Spiers wouldn’t be harmed by Dike’s incompetence and so that Spiers would be able to run in and take charge
Well, as far as I know, the choice of Lt Speirs to replace Dike during the attack was not a deliberate decision. He just happened to be the first officer seen by Winters in that situation
The choice was not deliberate. Spiers just happened to be the first officer in sight.
Not at all. Winters described it as him just turning and then as if it was meant to be, speirs just happened to be right there ready to move in
An incredible series about incredible men.
Letting the best officer in your battalion drink the whole coffee.
Now that's soldiering.
Read this scene from the book ⬇️
" Looking about, he discovered that the frost created by the freezing fog was building up on the sides of the foxhole. Stiffening his shoulders, Winters rubbed them back and forth, using friction to melt away the icy layers. He then glanced upward as a figure approached. It was First Sergeant Lipton. He knelt by his captain’s foxhole. Winters always kept his door open for Lipton whenever his highly regarded first sergeant had something on his mind.“Everything okay, Lip?” Winters asked cautiously, recalling the last time Lipton visited him, with news about Hoobler.“The men are fine, sir. They’re bedded down, trying to get what sleep they can,” Lipton replied. Then he was quiet.“Anything else, Sergeant?”“It’s Lieutenant Dike, sir.”“Is he missing again?” Winters asked disgustedly.“No, he’s in his foxhole, sir,” Lipton said. Then he hesitated. “It’s just that, well, the men are concerned about him leading this attack tomorrow. They don’t feel he can cut it, and to be quite honest, I agree. I don’t think he knows what he’s doing.”“He’ll be fully briefed tomorrow,” Winters replied. “I’ll be doing it personally. Anything else, Sergeant?”“No, sir,” Lipton said, then saluted and left.Nixon looked at Winters.“He’s right, you know,” Nixon said. “Dike’s a bean counter. He’s not cut out for this.”“I’m aware of that, Nix, but what can I do? I can’t relieve Dike because I think he’s incompetent and I don’t like him. No, I have to go with the hand the army dealt me and it doesn’t matter how I feel.”At dawn, 2nd Battalion was ready and Easy Company was in its assault position at the edge of the Bois Jacques. Winters met with Dike and gave him his final instructions.“You’ve got two hundred fifty yards of open ground to cover, so you can’t hesitate,” Winters told his lieutenant. “You’ve got to get the company across fast. Push them, kick them, shove them, whatever, but keep moving and don’t bunch up. Lieutenant Reese has two sections of machine guns set up to cover you. But most importantly, you have to keep moving. Get into the town, secure the area and link up with I Company.”Winters had done all he could. The rest was in Dike’s hands, a realization that left Winters extremely uneasy." 😊
My boss is like Lt. Dyke in this series. His refusal to take an active role and lead us makes our job suck.
I wish someone would upload the scene where Winters goes through the options of possible C.O.s with Nixon. A really funny scene.
There is that video.. Check again! I watched it a day or two ago!
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Lt. Shames screaming all the time.
@@jason60chev he's seen too many war movies.
One of HBO's best scenes that made you think. LT couldn't handle it.
This is me talking with every company owner about the middle manager between the top and bottom. Every workplace, hands down!
"I did something I never expected to do as First Sergeant" -> Criticize leadership up the chain
_That was one of the first things you did in the series._
supercoolguy43 he wasn’t the First Sergeant then.
@@BrettReynolds55 and he almost got hung for it
@@Elthenar not really. Lipton being an NCO with a great record would most likely not have even come close to a death sentence.
@@BrettReynolds55 Just going by what Sink said.
BOOM! roasted
1.08 wanna coffee?
I'd rather tea.
Lipton. Geddit?
Oh don't bother.
One of the E Company soldiers (Perconte) lived in Joliet, IL, about 5 miles from where I grew up. I didn’t know about it until he died, a couple of years after BOB was made. I wish I had known. I would love to have met him.
Oprah did an amazing job playing the dead cow in band of brothers..
What matters here is Lipton reached out and, b/c he was such a reliable leader, helped reinforce Winters' sense of Lt. Dyke's limitations - this meant that when Lt. Dyke (in the portrayal here - not necessarily in real life) was botching the attack, Winters had less reason to second guess himself... he listened to his Sgt. yet worked with what he had until it was clear that Lt. Dyke couldn't hack it, and then called in Spiers quite quickly....
Real guy. Can't think of a better NCO in the show
Lipton thought there was nothing Winters could do but there was. There was.
"Speirs! Get in there and lead that attack home!"
This series was fucking perfect. Im putting it in my top 3 series ever even if is the one series.
Lipton is my favorite character from Band of Brothers. A truly rare breed.
'Thank you Sargeant, that'll be all.' Me, GP Collier, DMZ, Korea, 1984-85. Life is weird.
This show, and the movie The Thing(1982), are two master classes on what real leadership is. While also giving great examples of what it isn't.
That was a good topic segue, I think I'll use that. " All in all I have every confidence in my team,sir. But I have no confidence on our supervisor, he's just not there, an empty uniform, and probably would make a lot us employees resign.".
I like that he refuses a coffee, who would refuse a coffee in that weather, but he knows it’s Winters and he needs it most.
At a time when you were expected to speak your mind and not have to worry about reprisal or reprimand. The Sargent's were the ones in the trenches and on the line about their men. The officers were worried about results, but Winters was also a Sargent once and understood where Lipton was coming from.
Now if you bring a problem to them you become the problem.
i like how you say "at a time" when earlier in the series all the NCOs wouldve been shot for their mutiny if not for the fact they were about to jump and easy company wouldnt have had leadership.
Winters was never a sergeant.
Winters entered the military as a junior LT. He never was enlisted.
@@Seriona1 Winters enlisted as a private before volunteering for OCS. Spent some time as an NCO.
The talk helped. Lipton said there was nothing Winters could do about it, but he was wrong. Winters showed up to watch the attack go in and was able to send Speirs in for the rescue. Lipton and Winters both did the best they could do with a bad situation and it paid off.
The fact that all but one of Easy company veterans are dead is upsetting. The world is less without them. The greatest generation to ever live is dying and my generation is not giving me any hope for my future. Hard times make Hard men. Good times make Soft men.
I actually worked with a guy I used to call "Foxhole Norman" every time he had to make a simple decision he would worry so much about being wrong and getting in trouble he would end up making no decisions, or he would change his mind after we'd waste time doing the first thing he'd have us start doing (he was a crew lead.) Then there was a weekend where everyone wondered where he was and he said he was on the phone with the customer. For 4 hours. When nobody else in that same position had ever even needed to make a phone call. Luckily, it wasn't military it was just a civilian job and nobody died or got hurt when things were stupid.
Know i few of these
I agree wholeheartedly with what everyone is saying about Major Winters...however, it is because of how some officers in charge treat men like chess pieces to obtain and overrun an enemy stronghold is why I left the Marines (Honorably). I understand that it's what they have to do, but I also know that the men that die doing it are never coming back.
I hated new kids on the block, and after I saw his performance in this movie, I suddenly had a whole new perspective of his talent.
Two honest guy speaking each other cash with respect
First Sergeant the most badass rank in the Army!
Winters could do nothing. Linton knew it but had voice his concerns for his own consciousness, maybe so he can sleep at night after his men are killed under poor leadership.
It’s the small details like when he puts the cigarette out on his glove showing how cold it really is
From this conversation, Winters decided to promote Lipton to an officer whenever he got the chance.
I had sen this scene a few times. I thought 1st sgt was rudely dismissed. This time I heard "Thank you first sgt.."
I agree. This time it sounded a bit different.
It's sad that politics and bureaucracy still happen during wartime. It's even sadder that good people had to die for it.
Officers tell you what to do, but NCO's tell you and lead you in how to do it..
The real Norman Dyke was actually highly decorated, and not a screw up at all-
He was a poor combat leader with Easy Company. He was absent quite a bit and froze up at Foy. He was more suited for a staff position
In Life we know by actions of our superiors ...What needs to be said and what ..most likely will happen...someone pointed out how young these men were in the war...God has a plan...we are made for that moment and for that time...God Bless Easy company ..God bless the Greatest Generation ..God Bless America...in 2021 I don't recognize it at all.:(
Dike got a bit of a raw deal from the BOB book and show. He was wounded in the attack on Foy which probably was part of the reason for him stopping the attack.
Obviously he wasn't a good leader, but I doubt that he was a coward as was depicted in the TV series.
He won 2 (I think) silver stars for valor.
Alexander West
Two bronze stars and one silver star.
Compared to ordinary people, he was a hero. Compared to Easy company, he was ordinary.
@@EtzEchad Very well said, always found it a lil sad the way he was portrayed when in fact it's more like how you put it. Easy didn't see him as anything special and him being wounded during Foy probably didn't help his case much, but still you don't just get handed those accolades and honors back then. Mediocre for Easy, a head and shoulders above the rest.
Having only watched the attack on Foy, I don't think what he did was cowardice per say. He should have been able to lead, but sometimes under fire people panic and there's nothing to do about it except send them to the back and keep moving.
I wouldn't call him a coward per say, he's depicted as an officer that needs things to stay orderly in something as chaotic as war. Notice he tells his platoons to stay in visual range and to hold up rather than keep the attack moving, he wants unit cohesion but in an attack like that you can't stop forward momentum. Ultimately it's too much pressure and he breaks down, which this show does show more than enough and it shows how war can break even the strongest men like Buck.
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"I said what I had to say. There was nothing Winters could do."
Meanwhile, Winters is shuffling his Speirs card into his deck...
Thank god for Lipton and Speirs ! Officers done right !
"I did something I would have never imagined myself doing"...Lipton, you straight-up comitted a mutiny against Sobel. If anything, you already have experience in expressing displeasure about your commanding officers.
I could be wrong, I don't think he was FSG then. And I know he wasn't in combat then, and he was not alone then.
Expressing displeasure against Sobel and Dike is normal but no one (especially Lipton) can imagine themselves complaining about anything towards Winters and Winters himself can see all the complaints and problems before anyone else can speak about them.
@@APTKC2025everyone had a right to complain about those guys they were going get people killed .
He also did it with Sobel LOL
“ spirit patrol” go give them a drink, they’ve earned it.
In demonstrating leadership, courage can be exemplified more so by saying what needs to be said than by the actions of someone. By stating something, perhaps proposed actions can be avoided or at least reduced.
Typical boss. Letting them know the place is gonna burn down and they dont fix it until its almost too late.
Lipton did what he had to do: voice concern about the ability of his CO to lead the unit into battle. Winters was a good officer by not only listening but having Spiers in mind just in case.
Or he simply picked Spiers because he was the first officer he saw when he turned around.
I wish I could have the experience of being on the front line without all the danger. I am simultaneously so jealous of the brotherhood and purpose that these men had --- yet also terrified at what they had to endure.
Another flasehood though, Lt Dike led a succesful defence in Holland, gathering scattered soldiers around, this got him a Bronze Star, he also got a seconf Bronze Star in Bastogne for rescuing 3 wounded soldiers from Easy Company whilst under fire.
Series got a few things wrong about a few characters, but I guess they had to make a story.
"I said what I had to say. There was nothing more this could do. Dike was a made man and Compton wasn't. We had to sit back and take it... it was some real grease ball shit."
Donnie Wahlberg was excellent in this role!!!
Johnny Drama crushing
poor Dike, he was a decent soldier, they made him look very bad for dramatic purposes. since this show is otherwise pretty accurate historically it makes it even worse for the poor guys' family.
In freezing weather, you don’t clutch the canteen cup with a tight grip. It’s too hot. You clasp and release. Clasp and release.
Just another way this series showed great realism
Even boiling coffee in a canteen cup seems to turn to ice in 3 minutes.
@@311jbknight Shit, boiling anything in cold enough weather can turn to snow in a heartbeat. Look up videos, it's incredible. A guy tossed a pot of boiling water into the air and it became snow in half a second.
this is the moment when Lip became Sgnt. Albiol
Danny back in the army
Lipton has no chill. Man has Iced Tea in his veins.
Best leader always offers coffee, tea, smokes whatever when they can.
We are both in this, let's get the job done and go home.
Did WW2 battalions have a CSM? If so, then the CSM, not the 1SG, that should be bringing up matters of low confidence from the enlisted in the officers to the BN CMDR.
Looks Cold
First Sgt Lipton from Huntington, West Virginia.
Donnie Wahlberg was great in this series. I wonder why his career never really took off afterwards. He is a way better actor than his brother.
His career exploded, what are you talking about?
that was nice of him offering coffee
Man he sure did pan out all these years later becoming the detective he has become on blue bloods 😂😂 the war really flipped a switch if only those stupids perps knew 😂
These guys had good leadership from Winters and Lipton
Yet his brother is the "movie star"?
Mark is just as talented
No he's not, 90% of the time he plays the same unlikable character in his movies and over acts in them. Mark is just more prettier then Donnie is. Hollywood cares more about looks then talent.
@@Bigmojojo Watch "The Departed", "Deepwater Horizon", and "Boogie Nights".
I'm not ripping on Donnie here, I think they're both equally talented actors.
The difference between WWII and nowadays, any SGT or SSG+ and god forbid an Infantry 1SG saw what was taking place in that field, they wouldn't hesitate to order every Soldier in that field to move out and and execute that attack. The lines between leaders is very narrow nowadays and most Infantry Officers know they can count on their NCOs to execute the OPORD without further guidance. In the absence of orders, seek out the enemy, unsurrendered, and destroy them.
I mean this is the problem with OCS to begin with but I mean Winters was great. It’s hard to manage your enlisted, warrants, and officer schooled in a war. You need those skilled at specific combat, those leaders just above, and the more tactical leaders... but it just gets hard when some O2s are incompetent
Only a few can be taught leadership. The tools can be given but most never open that toolbox. The best answer is to have someone classify each officer and NCO into the jobs that suit the army the best. Like putting Sobol in charge of PJ training. He was excellent at that and wouldn't get fragged in combat by his own guys.
B E S T series ever created
Name of the movie
A lot of people talk about how Dyke was a good soldier before this and the show slanders him like it does Soble even though from what I have read and seen from others and having met WW2 Airborne people who say they knew Soble it all matches up. Thing is Dyke may have been a good soldier in his original company but you have to remember this is years into the war and Dyke has been fighting for awhile not all of these guys know every officer of the 101st he was transferred to Easy company, hell he could have transferred from a different battalion I don't know I haven't looked into it, but the thing is Shell shock wasn't a thing these men believed in yet nor was it a thing that doctors back home thought of if you had shell shock you were just a coward to a lot of them. So Dyke could have suffering from his years in the war not everyone deals with it the same some get it months others years after the fact, but you have to remind yourself this is what these men remember and it only takes one bad action to ruin you and on the wounded thing that people say happen, again a lot of these men didn't see what happens all they know is that Dyke started issuing bizarre and flat out dumb orders that could get a lot of men killed.
I can’t imagine being that close to them. Those 88s were horrible.!
I love axelrod and winters
This was the moment Lipton became heis-- damn, wrong comments section
2 times Lip stood up and spoke of poor leadership within E Company.
Winter's Trusted His Men Even If They Have To Say Something Like That Because They Trusted Winter's
I don’t smoke but if I had fought in World War II I most likely would have smoked just to try to calm my nerves.
Top man.
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rip malarky🇺🇸
Frank Feazell How many are left?
They all in heaven now sharing cigarettes
@@eligiomallari7605 with Speirs offering them xD
fuck off malaka... sfw
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