You know I believe in what what you do and however I can promote your knowledge experience and education of the human weak Link in this process please let me know
I have seen maybe 4 different facebook posts recently, by someone desperately attempting to place a dog that has bitten other dogs and/or children. Looking for that magical home with "no dogs, no children". And seen multiple replies, all saying "don't put the dog down!!!". All I can do is privately message them and send them the link to this video. They all seem like nice people struggling with a horrible decision to make, this video might help them out. thanks Robert for making a tough video.
Thank you Robert. I have several rescue animals on my property and in my home. I have been around domestic animals ferall animals and livestock all of my life. I have a good understanding of animal behavior both predator and prey and in reality the animal kingdom boils down to these 2 issues in nature. I have worked assessing prey drive and fitness of service for MWD and Police K . I owned 2 Rottweilers from puppyhood to their deaths and trained them in obedience and protection to USE their natural drive in a constructive and socially appropriate way. I don't believe there are innately bad dogs or bad breeds BUT and here is the key. You put a working bred dog or a protection bred dog in an environment where there is no HUMAN COMMITMENT to ensure the dogs training safety mental and physical engagement let them loose in a backyard or tied to a chain with no boundries, socialization, bond the dog WILL revert to doing WHAT IT WAS BRED to do and being as the HUMAN did not train or bond to the dog the dog DOES NOT RESPECT the person. In human as in any mammalian animal, children puppies cats etc. NEED structure, discipline, boundries, respect and affection in order to mature into a responsible accountable entity. I think the experiment of never correcting or spanking a child has devolved into the chaos we see now in our country indeed the world. Dogs and people have evolved side by side since the first wolf chose to align itself with humans for mutual survival. We as humans need to stop selectively breeding for traits that cause an animal problems. Shelters have to be more responsible to the animals and to the potential adoptors to EDUCATE and SOCIALIZE both animal and person. As a side note you see these severely DAMAGED either physically or mentally animals promoted on rescue sites where THOUSANDS of donated dollars go to rehab an animal in the end that cannot live a fulfilled normal life and likely cannot find a QUALIFIED adoptor. I'm not talking about a blind or deaf dog I'm talking about paralyzed or animals that NEED SIGNIFICANT REHAB to be in society let alone a home. This is money that could be better spent to train socialize and engage animals that are physically able to be A DOG and require minimal ASSISTANCE. Animal welfare agencies do the animals they foster and support spending thousands of dollars FIXING a dog so severely damaged and NOT encouraging dogs that are able to be saved and live a close to normal happy life.
Thank you for your great contributions: this is what I call social responsibility, you really use the social media for the benefit of both humans and other animals.
Thank you for your honesty, Robert. This brought tears to my eyes, very powerful. A year ago I adopted a male Lab-Hovawart-Mix (a Hovawart being a German Schutzhund breed) from a friend, because he cared for him very poorly. I was still vulnerable, because not long before I took him in, I lost my wonderful Golden lady at the age of 17. It literally broke my heart into a million pieces because she meant the world to me, so I thought I could help this dog and somehow myself as well. He came to me with several issues (brought up on a farm, no socializing whatsoever and my friend didn‘t do anything fun with him either): On and off leash aggression out of insecurity, lashing out at little kids (especially kids on skateboards, scooters...) and strangers, pretty strong prey drive, leash pulling, you name it... we worked through so many of his issues and he‘s turned out pretty great, *but* the biggest issue is still there... his lashing out at other dogs... here in Germany (Munich) it is so hard to find a balanced trainer, I really am at a loss, I‘m in desperate need for someone, who can help me with it. My current trainer just let him run off leash in the park yesterday and as soon as he saw another dog, there was nothing able to hold him back, he ran to this dog, knocked it down while making a big fuss and then almost happily turning around and coming back to us... it was like a drug addict, who got his shot and then could calm down, you know? I was so mad at my trainer for letting this happen, because I never want to put others (people and animals alike) in any kind of danger. Even though he‘s never bitten another dog (the dog yesterday was fine, too, but screamed in fear, of course!! This dog was with his elderly handler, who was so scared that something had happened to her dog - of course!! I would’ve been the same and felt so sorry for that lady) and is just this unacceptable in the first seconds of meeting a dog (after he‘s met the dog, he‘s totally fine with it... it‘s unbelievable), it‘s still something that bothers me to the core. I am so angry at my trainer for giving him the chance to do this yesterday, because it didn‘t help anybody.🤨 If you have any recommendation, Robert, I‘d be forever thankful for any advice. Of course I‘m a member as well, but unfortunately I couldn‘t find that much regarding insecure dogs with behavior issues (esp. aggression towards other dogs...) I don‘t want to give up on him, because we‘ve come so far, but I need a good trainer and here in Germany, it‘s almost impossible to find one, because the positive only trainers really seem to be on the rise.🤨 Your videos have improved our relationship in so many ways, but I think that for this particular issue, I need to have someone by my side to train him with me. So sad that you don’t live here 😉 (seriously, though🥴).
Thank you, Cr Cr and miep for your replies and your suggestions. I really appreciate that.🙏🏼 The Fenrir bootcamp course seems to be closed... on the website it says that the books for that are full.🙈 Well, at least I’m not the only one with a dog issue.😅 And it sounds so bad, I’m sure my dog would be easy to handle with the right training, but like you said, miep... it is so hard to find a balanced trainer in Germany, and yes, certain training tools being banned here doesn’t make it any easier. It’s nuts, you can still buy e-collars online, but you’re not allowed to use them.🤦🏼♀️ I’ve decided to look up German Shepherd clubs near me and contact them, if they have a tip or a name for me... maybe that’s something for you as well. These clubs tend to not only work with clickers and cookies, you know? I know your struggle, that’s for sure.
Hi, sounds like the "trainer" you hired failed you, your dog and the dogs and dog owners that were at the park. You're on the right track by looking for another trainer and working with the dog yourself. Perhaps consider finding a few dogs for your dog to interact with and be properly introduced to. You'd have to look for the right temperament in the dogs you introduce him to and may be look into female dogs first. Your dog doesn't have to get along with every dog in the world but having a group of friends to interact with would do him a world of good.
Derek Edwards Thank you, Derek!😌 And you hit the nail on the head: My trainer (who is a vet with a specialization in behavior therapy and cost me 100 EUR/ hour) failed all of us... the more I think about it, the more I get angry and frustrated about it. This was the last training session with her, that’s for sure. I will try to maybe get my hands on a trainer who works with German shepherds, but even if I don’t find somebody, I will study every single video in Robert’s member’s section again and again and work my way through it somehow. And I honestly think you’re right... I should look for some female dog friends for him. It’s such a shame he’s so crazy at the beginning, because once he gets to know the dog (for like 30 seconds or so), he’s totally fine with it and just wants to get along... but this bully behavior seems to give him some kind of relief or so, that I have to work on that and really show him, that this is unacceptable and that there’s no need for that. Wish me luck!🤗
@@HankiMaus In case you haven't looked into it Robert also has some useful info on introducing dogs on his Bound Angels channel here on UA-cam. Best of luck to you and your pup - you totally got this!
Derek Edwards Thank you!☺️🙏🏼 And yes, I binge-watched Robert’s Bound Angels videos a few weeks ago, but I will definitely look these specific videos up and watch them again, but even more closely! Man, this was like a much needed therapy session for me here.😅👍🏼 Best of luck to you (and to your dog, should you have one 🤗), too and stay healthy.🍀
I'm volunteering at a municipal shelter soon and I think watching your videos is really going to stop any illusions I have about the dogs. I want to be super realistic about each dog I come across and spend time with so that when I do adoption consultations (after I'm trained by the shelter of course) I can be really honest with the potential adopters. Hopefully my knowledge can help people pick the right dog for them!
@@angelamacdonald4254 yeah I'm definitely going to be as transparent as possible. As much as I don't want to keep shelter dogs from getting adopted, it's way more important to disclose a dog's history.
My heart was broken for this family. Excellent excellent video Robert! We’ve owned some wonderful Pit Bulls. Now we have Showline German Shepherds. The work and the responsibility is real...
I was in this exact same scenario and my pit mix attacked my infant unprovoked. Luckily we got away with a couple scars. She was highly socialized, professionally trained, and was the most loved dog in the world. The behaviorist told us she would kill someone or something. We couldn’t pass her off or leave her to die alone in a shelter. We chose to put her down and held her and cried until she passed in peace.
An owned dog is the responsibility of the owner. Any damage the dog does is the owner's responsibility. If you are sued... a judge can order the dog destroyed and you still have a civil suit to deal with. You must get real help or take a very large risk.
I SALUTE You for this Video..I told Some people a few weeks back to put there Cross Jackie and Doberman to sleep ,after this dog bit there 18month old childs face ,The child had to go to a Plastic surgeon for reconstruction surgery...The owners were reluctant to do it at first but after a long 2 hour Talk They finally Did the Right Thing.....
I had to make this decision last year with my Pitt. I cried and cried and really second-guessed my decision until about a month ago when I saw another video of yours on this subject. You have made me feel so much better. I feel sad not to rescue another Pitt as we did our Henry because they are so affectionate and intelligent. Working with him was so much fun. I really wish there could be some national program that could work with shelters to better prepare these dogs for the real world- like prison programs... I don’t know. Thank you for all you do.
I have a very similar situation. Three months ago we adopted a 14 month old AmStaff from the shelter. The dog is very warm with the family. He has a very strong hunting instinct. It is also very territorial and protective. The first time I tried to take off his Kong, I was accidentally bitten. When we play fetch with him, his pupils dilate and he is like on drugs. The dog was badly neglected and not socialized. However, in the past three months we've made huge strides with him. Our main focus is on obedience training. Heel, sit, down, come, wait, leave it ad nauseum. He gets all his food hand-fed by me and also by my wife. I train with him for an hour twice a day. Plus a lot of play - also with our one-eyed Jack Russell Terrier. The dog gets a lot of love and attention from us. We train obedience and then we subject it to controlled, challenging situations. Patience and persistence show very good results and we are optimistic that we can train him to be a very sociable dog over the next year. Nevertheless, caution with a large and very agile dog can never be neglected. I grew up with large and small dogs and have a pretty good basic understanding. However, this is the first time I have a situation like the current one. And so I learn a lot of important details here. Thanks for that!
@@fungus_am0nguz644 This person is taking chances with a zero mistake dog. You can't love or train the prey drive out of a dog. Controlling it is great until the animal "somehow gets out" and the owner is not there. That doesn't matter if you have a small or weak dog. It matters a lot of you own one of the strongest dogs, pound for pound, in existence.
@@annabell3385 Good point and you are right, you can have a chance if a chihuahua bites you, you can be permanently disfigured or loose a finger if an AmStaff bites you.
@@fungus_am0nguz644 Or die. Approximately 45 people a year in the USA are fatally wounded by bullies, often from a rescue situation. The rescues have been astoundingly irresponsible in the past decade and a half.
Oh man... wow. I had to grab a box of tissues and everything! 😭This is SUCH an important video. You said all the things. Everything that a person in the emailer’s position really NEEDS to hear- you said it. Thank you!
I have had dogs for over 30 years now. Puppies, rescues, from the pound, from friends, found dogs etc. The hardest part of petownership is when it is time to let a dog go. I think your advice is very sound, the dog should always have a quality life with at least one petparent who guides it in the right way with kindness, love, compassion, understanding, tolerance but also firmness where needed. I have had an very aggressive dog and i endet up putting him to sleep. It was heartbreaking, but i had to do what was the right decision. It is also possible that sometimes dogs can develop a tumor in the brain that can affect their neurologic process. But it is also a liability question. Doing the right thing can be very hard. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for this video. There are a lot of great dogs in shelter's that need a family. I know this was a hard video to do, and even a harder decision for the couple to make.
WOW, extremely controversial but in my opinion 100% accurate this should be a mandatory listen to anyone anyone thinking they have fur babies that their dogs don’t bite and they can save the world sometimes you have to do the right thing may not be popular but in this country sometimes you have to do something unpopular to do the right thing. I asked this question what makes change happen?? Good people doing the controversial or right thing and following through!!
I am so glad I watched your videos tonight. I have lived with the guilt of having to put my shepherd asleep 7 years ago. I tried trainers nothing worked with him. He would never go for me or my children. But outside he was a different dog. Lunging at people to got to the stage of bitting. We tried most places for him. And they would not touch him. He just would go right for them. Children outside he was terrified of them . It was heartbreaking for me I loved him so much. But when my son took really ill I had to have carers in and I knew I could not go on like I had been. So I had to put him down. And I felt I let him down so much. But it got to the stage we did not have a life his life was so much fear. Your video made me realise that I did the right thing. Frist video I have come across that address it. As it is something that I don't talk about as it felt I was a awful person .
this podcast hits soo close, I've bought a house and the previous owner left me their dog that was never socialised, always chained or kept in a small yard that we bonded with and is the nicest and sweetest dog It has issues but we are trying to manage it and we take as good care of it as we can.
My elderly min pin rescue from an unscrupulous breeder passed away a few years back Miss Mae sent to me a pit bull border collie mix..very powerful and loves EVERYTHING and EVERYONE..she had been beaten and run over ..sprayed by a skunk..thrown on the street..I'm so proud of her..Penelope loves the elderly children and kittens..she recently helped me raise a 2 week old ABANDONED kitten..we call the kitten PK PENELOPE'S KITTEN..your videos have helped me so much. Thank you she's been a handful for me. I'm DISABLED and not very strong..she is so good thanks to you kind and gentle..brains and brawn..I've had to get physical with a proper choke collar..thank you again. She does well off lead. First command. LEAVE IT.
I feel for these people so much. And for a dog that truly is unhappy, unmanageable in an ethical way... this is the best and kindest option to offer peace to an innocent soul. My first dog.... my family didn't know anything about dogs, aside from the old farm ways of raising.... They wanted to leave her outside all the time, she was tied all day, every day, and spent nights on the porch. We got her when she was 9 months old, but I was only 9 years and hardly knew anything myself.... But I would sneak her inside at night, and she would be so happy, she'd roll all over the bed and sleep with her feet in the air, snoring softly. Never once offered to do anything terrible to me. But apparently she would bite people if they walked by where she was tied. She got loose and killed a rabbit. And the adults around me kept saying she was aggressive. We had her for almost 4 years and I wish, so very much, that my family had a better attitude toward pets and had allowed me to bring her to a trainer and learn how to work with her. High energy dog, but would let me do all the things a kid is not supposed to do to a dog. Hug her, put my face against hers... She was fine with the cats that milled about. Only about 35 to 40 lbs. My family decided she was dangerous and the ankle biting she did as people walked by was unacceptable. The regular vet would not put down a healthy dog, but one day, my mother took her and brought her to a back woods vet's house and I didn't even get to be there. At 13, I should have been able to speak up, or seek out help, but it is a regret I will always carry with me. That poor dog had a miserable existence tied out all day every day with no outlet or interaction and all of us were ignorant. I'm glad she didn't go back to a shelter, but my life, once I waa old enough, has been spent fostering, learning, and working with dogs, educating myself, and hopefully making up for what should have never happened. Props to this couple, though.... It's so hard to do the right thing.
ROBERT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEO.... Please do all about the DOG FIGHTS.... That would be the perfect video, I feel most people doesn’t know the history, it’s been going on since the 1800s, and even today on the News, GOD, DOGS, GUNS,
My daughter got a rescue pit bull mix and it was about 2 months old. So basically a puppy. It grew up with my older lab she would be over the house 3 to 4 times a week. This went on for about a year or so. She moved away for another year and then came back. We can no longer put her dog in with mine because it constantly attacks him. She's fine with her and her husband and now the new baby which worried me. But she's wonderful with the baby. The baby is over a year now and the dog loves her. But can't be around other dogs chickens or farm animals. And the only way my daughter can leave the house for a few days as if one of us goes over to take care of the dog. She brought her over her mother in law's house which has a beautiful gentle but very big German shepherd. That of course she attacked the German shepherd which was more than able to defend herself. Goes to show you that without training even a dog raised from a puppy can turn out aggressive. When no aggression was ever given to it.
Two months old is definitely still a puppy. Also the pit mix might be reacting out of fear. During the year away from your old lab, how were the pittys interactions with other dogs? Could it have been bullied by other dogs or not well socialised? Knowing one or two dogs doesn't make them socialised and dog friendly.
I think this is a great example of genetics. Being certain breed doesn't Automatically make a dog a certain way, but all terriers have a level of animal aggression (they were literally bred to kill vermin, I have and love terriers, but its true) and without solid training it can be a problem
The toughest decisions for animal to do whatever it maybe is your the voice, the aggressive ones were raised and don’t know better those are the ones I feel for
I adopted a 6mo. old sable GSD. Unbeknownst to me, I was her 4th home. She is papered with great pedigree. Both parents are working police dogs. She is extremely high drive. We bonded quickly. I also have a 10yr. Old Black and Tan GSD. So I am an "experienced" owner. "JAGER" was very apprehensive. Long story short, 3 yrs later and I have a tremendously awesome young GSD. She trusted no one. And I dont blame her. I closed my business because someone accused her of biting her, which in the end was a lie. They tried to have her put down. Lots of love and discipline and learning to trust me has given me a wonderful companion. Well worth my sacrifices. Thank you Robert, you are truely a good man, this is a tough subject. But I believe spot on! Keep up the great work!
I LIVE IN CANADA , AN I AGREE WITH U ALL THE WAY..IVE HAD A FEW RESCUE DOGS A DOBERMAN WAS MY LAST DOG..AN I HAD TO WORK WITH HIM ALL THE TIME..I MEAN ALL THE TIME..HE TURNED OUT OK HOWEVER .I DONT KNOW IF I COULD DO IT AGAIN..I HAVE A LAB NOW GOT HER AS A PUPP.MUCH EASIER TOO WORK WITH.THANKS.
Dog-fighting is a mostly male enterprise, but unfortunately there are definitely women involved as well. A big case in the Netherlands a couple years back was a man and a woman who ran a fighting ring. They had several women go out and get dogs from shelters saying they wanted strong dogs for protection.
I knew a girl who did it and she loved her dogs. You'd never suspect some people because they really do love their dogs. The dogs itch so bad to fight that, in this case, anyway, the woman felt that she was indulging them and making a little money in the process. It was casual ghetto streetfighting, but I've read where "real" dogfighters say it is cruel to keep a game pit from fighting, so same attitude.
I have read a story about the mafia in Italy keeping their fighters with other people and the impression I got was some kind of family (or maybe rescue) situation making the dogs appear to be pets.
Responsible decision on the reactive dog. Wise and brave people. Sorry I'm not being very active but mates just lost his Mali , she was seemingly ok one day then next day she was gone. He is in bits. Thanks Robert : )
Another comment: So animal shelters here in Spain are severely affected by the immature population at large. People want a dog and after six months they find out that the apartment is way too small for the XL dog. ...or the kids have lost their interest in the animal. Something like that is predictable. Adults of all ages have the mental maturity of teenagers. Of course, that fuels the breeder-industry - back yard or otherwise.
Unfortunately most dog problems are the fault of the person who has allowed bad habits as a puppy to continue or doesn't have an A personality needed to control them especially when it comes to Bullies
I totally agree with you especially about terriers ,3 times my staffi was attacked by them,and I always have my staffi on the lead!! When you don't have the dog from a pup unfortunately you don't know whay he has been through. I rescued my 8 year old staffi 4 months ago,but you have to be super responsible to own a restricted breed. It's not easy ,I'm always looking ahead. It must have been a tough decision for them but a very sensible one,in my opinion. Thanks Robert.
Unfortunately for pitbulls poor breeding has destroyed what these dogs where really bred to be..its sad and I've found that the "cool" colors are really effected with bad genetics- temperament and health their mental stability has been throw right out the window...have dealt with this first hand I now have a fear reactive Malinois because of a pitbull who is red nose, foster dog who was possessive over me and became aggressive towards him and I had to make a though decision to have him placed else where and now paying for a trainer to help my mali had a blue nose who would lung at my horses throats both dogs where not what I'd call mentally stable dogs
Shelters bring in many dogs. And typically the intake people are not the adoption counselor/output person. Most shelters just keep dogs until they overflow- then the dog thats been there the longest is put down. Finally- a lot of these dogs are very confused. A lot of their aggression is defensive over the people it loves, when those people leave the dog is very depressed. It doesn't start to be aggressive again until it bonds to its new owners. That makes it extra insidious. That dog looks like it's friendly now, but as soon as it loves you it wants to kill everyone and thing it perceives as a threat, but its threat meter is broken.
Yes. Or sometimes they don't recognize it as aggression because they're so used to aggressive dogs, now, with all the pit rehabbing TV shows, they just think that's how dogs are. Animal Farm Foundation has it right on their web page to stop using the word "aggression." They suggest a bunch of euphamisms to use instead. Their main concern is pit bulls getting an improved public opinion. That did work, but how long will it last? The rescue pits are mauling people daily and killing people 3-4 times per month in America.
I must comment on this - back in the days, in England and Ireland the dog fighting breeders were very very proud of their dogs and most of them were of the working class. This meant that the dogs lived with them in a small places, with their kids. Now because of that any fighting dog that showed any kind of aggression towards people was not used to breed further. Another reason for this was that in the fight itself - much like a boxing match - the dogs were handled by their handlers between rounds and had to be separated during the fight, so no one wanted to he bitten while doing so. This made them most affectionate dogs towards people and especially towards children. To make a pure bred APBT or SBT, aggressive towards a child, is not a simple task, it means the dog must have been really fucked up by it's owner. I had SBT from a working line, and they were absolutely solid with people and especially with kids, and it was such a contrast to a German shepherd I had before them when I was a kid growing up, which bitten multiple times. For mixes generally what I have witnessed is that the pit traits takes over most of the time, but as they are mixes, the other breed might compromise this trait of the pits.
Just let the people know every simple aggression is not the case, show them exactly the deference between aggression and severe aggression, people can easily get confused here as they are not experts. please make this super clear.
No such thing as a bad dog. Only bad owners. Putting a dog down because the owner failed the dog is not the dogs fault, it’s the owners fault. The owner should not be excused to blame the dog.
Mike's Man Cave Well I politely disagree with you I am currently working with a Belgian Malinois, bought by a DOD from a breeder with an outstanding track record great genetics and awards from the parents grandparents Because of the commitment that was made for the puppy as soon as she was waiting for the mother she was put in a crate and ship to United States to start her military training she was never socialized and she did bite handlers probably the handle is that couldn’t figure out that she was just nervous and scared I was going to put her down six months ago but I will continue to follow Roberts advice then some others we work as often as possible and as long as she’s learning new things and being exposed to the stuff she was not as a puppy she’s doing well but technically she’s a bad dog because she will bite Anything with a mouth can bite especially if The nervous neurotic unsocialized dog has a mouth, so by the time I hear about them or find out about them I am their last hope
@@ericmartinson8910 You say you disagree with me then you go on telling me that she was handled and trained by someone who had no idea and did not bring the dog up correctly did not socialise the dog etc etc how is any of this the dogs fault?? You do realise that means the owner is at fault not the dog. If the dog was socialised and brought up correctly there would be no issue. So essentially you have just proven my point, no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners who failed the dog.
Mike's Man Cave Mike I guess I should rephrase this, just like there are no bad humans (LoL) there are no bad dogs.....?? But some humans are born simply broken just like some K9’s are born broken, poorly bread raised, and not socialized by the breeders they’re not bad dogs but they can be dangerous, and should not be allowed for Mr. and Mrs. Jo Smith’s to have one because they sought on a movie, or their local first responders did a demonstration of a bite and hold our tracking I’m not saying I’m the most spectacular owner/handler out there but I am responsible for the canine lives under my care and responsibility. That sometimes means making tough decisions, certain breeds should only be owned & handled by, humans that have certain level of experience I do agree to a certain level there are no bad dogs but there are some dogs that are switched off, have genetic abnormalities, bred to young, and bread for aggressiveness. Then all the other dogs of the same breed get Brandon that’s a “bad dog” however they’re handled by a novice uneducatable, self-centered human being so how do we handle that problem we put the dogs down (euthanized killed) when they make a mistake what about the humans,,
@@ericmartinson8910 So again how is any of this the dogs fault? It's not the dogs fault, the dog is just a dog waiting to be educated and trained by the owner, it's the owners fault for not doing the right thing by the dog, educating the dog and training it as it should be trained. So again you have just confirmed my point that there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners who failed the dog. If the dog ends up needing to be put down it is 100% the owners fault, no one else, but people who fail dogs will always blame the dog for their shortcomings so they car sleep at night knowing they have done the right thing when in reality they are 110% at fault.
Mike's Man Cave, I will agree to a certain extent but let me ask you this. do you believe that a dog can be nuts or crazy? Born that way from a genetic defect poor breeding, ownership care diet genetics and on?? I’m obviously not as educated as you I’ve only worked with working/service line GSD, Great Dane and Belgian Malinois, I have not run across a canine but I have not been able to form a connection with and usually help as a layperson, One of my biggest concerns is that the working line Mals, genetics are gonna start getting screwed up by inappropriate breeding from Poor genetics stock and bad breeders. So if there are no bad dogs out there what term would you use bad humans ? well I think most people are self-centered and just plain suck. We have all seen it happen with other dogs. look at how many pit bulls are across bread and now live shelters until the day they are euthanized? how many labs have bad hips they’re out there I’m not attacking you. Mike, what would you deem appropriate instead of using the word “bad dog” to differentiate between a dog that genetically damaged? I don’t like the term bad dog but it is 2 words to describe an entire situation that I believe most people will not ever understand, how their actions have consequence s. Unfortunately usually responsible pet owners like US trainers etc. are the ones that have to deal with the mess
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Hello Robert. Would you share some insights for puppy (GS) diet routine? In a future video maybe. Thank you in advance.
You know I believe in what what you do and however I can promote your knowledge experience and education of the human weak Link in this process please let me know
I have seen maybe 4 different facebook posts recently, by someone desperately attempting to place a dog that has bitten other dogs and/or children. Looking for that magical home with "no dogs, no children". And seen multiple replies, all saying "don't put the dog down!!!". All I can do is privately message them and send them the link to this video. They all seem like nice people struggling with a horrible decision to make, this video might help them out. thanks Robert for making a tough video.
Thank you Robert. I have several rescue animals on my property and in my home. I have been around domestic animals ferall animals and livestock all of my life. I have a good understanding of animal behavior both predator and prey and in reality the animal kingdom boils down to these 2 issues in nature. I have worked assessing prey drive and fitness of service for MWD and Police K . I owned 2 Rottweilers from puppyhood to their deaths and trained them in obedience and protection to USE their natural drive in a constructive and socially appropriate way. I don't believe there are innately bad dogs or bad breeds BUT and here is the key. You put a working bred dog or a protection bred dog in an environment where there is no HUMAN COMMITMENT to ensure the dogs training safety mental and physical engagement let them loose in a backyard or tied to a chain with no boundries, socialization, bond the dog WILL revert to doing WHAT IT WAS BRED to do and being as the HUMAN did not train or bond to the dog the dog DOES NOT RESPECT the person. In human as in any mammalian animal, children puppies cats etc. NEED structure, discipline, boundries, respect and affection in order to mature into a responsible accountable entity. I think the experiment of never correcting or spanking a child has devolved into the chaos we see now in our country indeed the world. Dogs and people have evolved side by side since the first wolf chose to align itself with humans for mutual survival. We as humans need to stop selectively breeding for traits that cause an animal problems. Shelters have to be more responsible to the animals and to the potential adoptors to EDUCATE and SOCIALIZE both animal and person. As a side note you see these severely DAMAGED either physically or mentally animals promoted on rescue sites where THOUSANDS of donated dollars go to rehab an animal in the end that cannot live a fulfilled normal life and likely cannot find a QUALIFIED adoptor. I'm not talking about a blind or deaf dog I'm talking about paralyzed or animals that NEED SIGNIFICANT REHAB to be in society let alone a home. This is money that could be better spent to train socialize and engage animals that are physically able to be A DOG and require minimal ASSISTANCE. Animal welfare agencies do the animals they foster and support spending thousands of dollars FIXING a dog so severely damaged and NOT encouraging dogs that are able to be saved and live a close to normal happy life.
Thank you for your great contributions: this is what I call social responsibility, you really use the social media for the benefit of both humans and other animals.
Tremendous respect and empathy for such courageous humans
Great video. I wish this was common knowledge. Thank you
Thank goodness your sound advice got through to these good people. They are doing the right thing as sad and as difficult as it is.
Thank you for your honesty, Robert. This brought tears to my eyes, very powerful. A year ago I adopted a male Lab-Hovawart-Mix (a Hovawart being a German Schutzhund breed) from a friend, because he cared for him very poorly. I was still vulnerable, because not long before I took him in, I lost my wonderful Golden lady at the age of 17. It literally broke my heart into a million pieces because she meant the world to me, so I thought I could help this dog and somehow myself as well. He came to me with several issues (brought up on a farm, no socializing whatsoever and my friend didn‘t do anything fun with him either): On and off leash aggression out of insecurity, lashing out at little kids (especially kids on skateboards, scooters...) and strangers, pretty strong prey drive, leash pulling, you name it... we worked through so many of his issues and he‘s turned out pretty great, *but* the biggest issue is still there... his lashing out at other dogs... here in Germany (Munich) it is so hard to find a balanced trainer, I really am at a loss, I‘m in desperate need for someone, who can help me with it. My current trainer just let him run off leash in the park yesterday and as soon as he saw another dog, there was nothing able to hold him back, he ran to this dog, knocked it down while making a big fuss and then almost happily turning around and coming back to us... it was like a drug addict, who got his shot and then could calm down, you know? I was so mad at my trainer for letting this happen, because I never want to put others (people and animals alike) in any kind of danger. Even though he‘s never bitten another dog (the dog yesterday was fine, too, but screamed in fear, of course!! This dog was with his elderly handler, who was so scared that something had happened to her dog - of course!! I would’ve been the same and felt so sorry for that lady) and is just this unacceptable in the first seconds of meeting a dog (after he‘s met the dog, he‘s totally fine with it... it‘s unbelievable), it‘s still something that bothers me to the core. I am so angry at my trainer for giving him the chance to do this yesterday, because it didn‘t help anybody.🤨 If you have any recommendation, Robert, I‘d be forever thankful for any advice. Of course I‘m a member as well, but unfortunately I couldn‘t find that much regarding insecure dogs with behavior issues (esp. aggression towards other dogs...) I don‘t want to give up on him, because we‘ve come so far, but I need a good trainer and here in Germany, it‘s almost impossible to find one, because the positive only trainers really seem to be on the rise.🤨 Your videos have improved our relationship in so many ways, but I think that for this particular issue, I need to have someone by my side to train him with me. So sad that you don’t live here 😉 (seriously, though🥴).
Thank you, Cr Cr and miep for your replies and your suggestions. I really appreciate that.🙏🏼 The Fenrir bootcamp course seems to be closed... on the website it says that the books for that are full.🙈 Well, at least I’m not the only one with a dog issue.😅 And it sounds so bad, I’m sure my dog would be easy to handle with the right training, but like you said, miep... it is so hard to find a balanced trainer in Germany, and yes, certain training tools being banned here doesn’t make it any easier. It’s nuts, you can still buy e-collars online, but you’re not allowed to use them.🤦🏼♀️ I’ve decided to look up German Shepherd clubs near me and contact them, if they have a tip or a name for me... maybe that’s something for you as well. These clubs tend to not only work with clickers and cookies, you know? I know your struggle, that’s for sure.
Hi, sounds like the "trainer" you hired failed you, your dog and the dogs and dog owners that were at the park. You're on the right track by looking for another trainer and working with the dog yourself. Perhaps consider finding a few dogs for your dog to interact with and be properly introduced to. You'd have to look for the right temperament in the dogs you introduce him to and may be look into female dogs first. Your dog doesn't have to get along with every dog in the world but having a group of friends to interact with would do him a world of good.
Derek Edwards Thank you, Derek!😌 And you hit the nail on the head: My trainer (who is a vet with a specialization in behavior therapy and cost me 100 EUR/ hour) failed all of us... the more I think about it, the more I get angry and frustrated about it. This was the last training session with her, that’s for sure. I will try to maybe get my hands on a trainer who works with German shepherds, but even if I don’t find somebody, I will study every single video in Robert’s member’s section again and again and work my way through it somehow. And I honestly think you’re right... I should look for some female dog friends for him. It’s such a shame he’s so crazy at the beginning, because once he gets to know the dog (for like 30 seconds or so), he’s totally fine with it and just wants to get along... but this bully behavior seems to give him some kind of relief or so, that I have to work on that and really show him, that this is unacceptable and that there’s no need for that. Wish me luck!🤗
@@HankiMaus In case you haven't looked into it Robert also has some useful info on introducing dogs on his Bound Angels channel here on UA-cam. Best of luck to you and your pup - you totally got this!
Derek Edwards Thank you!☺️🙏🏼 And yes, I binge-watched Robert’s Bound Angels videos a few weeks ago, but I will definitely look these specific videos up and watch them again, but even more closely! Man, this was like a much needed therapy session for me here.😅👍🏼 Best of luck to you (and to your dog, should you have one 🤗), too and stay healthy.🍀
I'm volunteering at a municipal shelter soon and I think watching your videos is really going to stop any illusions I have about the dogs. I want to be super realistic about each dog I come across and spend time with so that when I do adoption consultations (after I'm trained by the shelter of course) I can be really honest with the potential adopters. Hopefully my knowledge can help people pick the right dog for them!
Thank you. Rescues are the WORST for not disclosing bite history. I Quit doing it because of just that.
My rescue/ non-profit discloses bite history always!
@@angelamacdonald4254 yeah I'm definitely going to be as transparent as possible. As much as I don't want to keep shelter dogs from getting adopted, it's way more important to disclose a dog's history.
They will train you to lie.
My heart was broken for this family. Excellent excellent video Robert! We’ve owned some wonderful Pit Bulls. Now we have Showline German Shepherds. The work and the responsibility is real...
I was in this exact same scenario and my pit mix attacked my infant unprovoked. Luckily we got away with a couple scars. She was highly socialized, professionally trained, and was the most loved dog in the world. The behaviorist told us she would kill someone or something. We couldn’t pass her off or leave her to die alone in a shelter. We chose to put her down and held her and cried until she passed in peace.
You’re truly a hero. You did the right thing.
An owned dog is the responsibility of the owner. Any damage the dog does is the owner's responsibility. If you are sued... a judge can order the dog destroyed and you still have a civil suit to deal with. You must get real help or take a very large risk.
I SALUTE You for this Video..I told Some people a few weeks back to put there Cross Jackie and Doberman to sleep ,after this dog bit there 18month old childs face ,The child had to go to a Plastic surgeon for reconstruction surgery...The owners were reluctant to do it at first but after a long 2 hour Talk They finally Did the Right Thing.....
I had to make this decision last year with my Pitt. I cried and cried and really second-guessed my decision until about a month ago when I saw another video of yours on this subject. You have made me feel so much better. I feel sad not to rescue another Pitt as we did our Henry because they are so affectionate and intelligent. Working with him was so much fun. I really wish there could be some national program that could work with shelters to better prepare these dogs for the real world- like prison programs... I don’t know. Thank you for all you do.
I have a very similar situation. Three months ago we adopted a 14 month old AmStaff from the shelter. The dog is very warm with the family. He has a very strong hunting instinct. It is also very territorial and protective. The first time I tried to take off his Kong, I was accidentally bitten. When we play fetch with him, his pupils dilate and he is like on drugs. The dog was badly neglected and not socialized.
However, in the past three months we've made huge strides with him. Our main focus is on obedience training. Heel, sit, down, come, wait, leave it ad nauseum. He gets all his food hand-fed by me and also by my wife. I train with him for an hour twice a day. Plus a lot of play - also with our one-eyed Jack Russell Terrier. The dog gets a lot of love and attention from us.
We train obedience and then we subject it to controlled, challenging situations. Patience and persistence show very good results and we are optimistic that we can train him to be a very sociable dog over the next year.
Nevertheless, caution with a large and very agile dog can never be neglected. I grew up with large and small dogs and have a pretty good basic understanding. However, this is the first time I have a situation like the current one. And so I learn a lot of important details here. Thanks for that!
I hope you can do the right thing when the time comes.
@@annabell3385 Shouldnt you state better "IF the times comes" , maybe he got the dog under control with the amount of hours training the dog.
@@fungus_am0nguz644 This person is taking chances with a zero mistake dog. You can't love or train the prey drive out of a dog. Controlling it is great until the animal "somehow gets out" and the owner is not there. That doesn't matter if you have a small or weak dog. It matters a lot of you own one of the strongest dogs, pound for pound, in existence.
@@annabell3385 Good point and you are right, you can have a chance if a chihuahua bites you, you can be permanently disfigured or loose a finger if an AmStaff bites you.
@@fungus_am0nguz644 Or die. Approximately 45 people a year in the USA are fatally wounded by bullies, often from a rescue situation. The rescues have been astoundingly irresponsible in the past decade and a half.
Sir Robert,
You know then you're the best for me and my family. I'd listened 5 times and over and over.
Best regards.
Oh man... wow. I had to grab a box of tissues and everything! 😭This is SUCH an important video. You said all the things. Everything that a person in the emailer’s position really NEEDS to hear- you said it. Thank you!
I have had dogs for over 30 years now. Puppies, rescues, from the pound, from friends, found dogs etc. The hardest part of petownership is when it is time to let a dog go. I think your advice is very sound, the dog should always have a quality life with at least one petparent who guides it in the right way with kindness, love, compassion, understanding, tolerance but also firmness where needed. I have had an very aggressive dog and i endet up putting him to sleep. It was heartbreaking, but i had to do what was the right decision. It is also possible that sometimes dogs can develop a tumor in the brain that can affect their neurologic process. But it is also a liability question. Doing the right thing can be very hard.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for this video. There are a lot of great dogs in shelter's that need a family. I know this was a hard video to do, and even a harder decision for the couple to make.
Thank you Robert. A very necessary podcast.
WOW, extremely controversial but in my opinion 100% accurate this should be a mandatory listen to anyone anyone thinking they have fur babies that their dogs don’t bite and they can save the world sometimes you have to do the right thing may not be popular but in this country sometimes you have to do something unpopular to do the right thing.
I asked this question what makes change happen??
Good people doing the controversial or right thing and following through!!
Good people don’t bring pit bulls into our neighborhoods
Thank you deepest.
I am so glad I watched your videos tonight. I have lived with the guilt of having to put my shepherd asleep 7 years ago. I tried trainers nothing worked with him. He would never go for me or my children. But outside he was a different dog. Lunging at people to got to the stage of bitting. We tried most places for him. And they would not touch him. He just would go right for them. Children outside he was terrified of them . It was heartbreaking for me I loved him so much. But when my son took really ill I had to have carers in and I knew I could not go on like I had been. So I had to put him down. And I felt I let him down so much. But it got to the stage we did not have a life his life was so much fear. Your video made me realise that I did the right thing. Frist video I have come across that address it. As it is something that I don't talk about as it felt I was a awful person .
this podcast hits soo close, I've bought a house and the previous owner left me their dog that was never socialised, always chained or kept in a small yard that we bonded with and is the nicest and sweetest dog
It has issues but we are trying to manage it and we take as good care of it as we can.
What a good Podcast! Thanks a lot.
Thank you for your integrity and your courage in posting the unpopular truth!
My elderly min pin rescue from an unscrupulous breeder passed away a few years back Miss Mae sent to me a pit bull border collie mix..very powerful and loves EVERYTHING and EVERYONE..she had been beaten and run over ..sprayed by a skunk..thrown on the street..I'm so proud of her..Penelope loves the elderly children and kittens..she recently helped me raise a 2 week old ABANDONED kitten..we call the kitten PK PENELOPE'S KITTEN..your videos have helped me so much.
Thank you she's been a handful for me.
I'm DISABLED and not very strong..she is so good thanks to you kind and gentle..brains and brawn..I've had to get physical with a proper choke collar..thank you again.
She does well off lead.
First command.
LEAVE IT.
I feel for these people so much. And for a dog that truly is unhappy, unmanageable in an ethical way... this is the best and kindest option to offer peace to an innocent soul.
My first dog.... my family didn't know anything about dogs, aside from the old farm ways of raising.... They wanted to leave her outside all the time, she was tied all day, every day, and spent nights on the porch. We got her when she was 9 months old, but I was only 9 years and hardly knew anything myself.... But I would sneak her inside at night, and she would be so happy, she'd roll all over the bed and sleep with her feet in the air, snoring softly. Never once offered to do anything terrible to me. But apparently she would bite people if they walked by where she was tied. She got loose and killed a rabbit. And the adults around me kept saying she was aggressive. We had her for almost 4 years and I wish, so very much, that my family had a better attitude toward pets and had allowed me to bring her to a trainer and learn how to work with her. High energy dog, but would let me do all the things a kid is not supposed to do to a dog. Hug her, put my face against hers... She was fine with the cats that milled about. Only about 35 to 40 lbs. My family decided she was dangerous and the ankle biting she did as people walked by was unacceptable. The regular vet would not put down a healthy dog, but one day, my mother took her and brought her to a back woods vet's house and I didn't even get to be there. At 13, I should have been able to speak up, or seek out help, but it is a regret I will always carry with me. That poor dog had a miserable existence tied out all day every day with no outlet or interaction and all of us were ignorant. I'm glad she didn't go back to a shelter, but my life, once I waa old enough, has been spent fostering, learning, and working with dogs, educating myself, and hopefully making up for what should have never happened.
Props to this couple, though.... It's so hard to do the right thing.
God Bless you and them. I’ve had to do it and it hurts but it hurts worse if that dog hurt someone else.
ROBERT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEO.... Please do all about the DOG FIGHTS.... That would be the perfect video, I feel most people doesn’t know the history, it’s been going on since the 1800s, and even today on the News, GOD, DOGS, GUNS,
Thank you
Your great!! My new dog Zariah will be great with all your videos!!
My daughter got a rescue pit bull mix and it was about 2 months old. So basically a puppy. It grew up with my older lab she would be over the house 3 to 4 times a week. This went on for about a year or so. She moved away for another year and then came back. We can no longer put her dog in with mine because it constantly attacks him. She's fine with her and her husband and now the new baby which worried me. But she's wonderful with the baby. The baby is over a year now and the dog loves her. But can't be around other dogs chickens or farm animals. And the only way my daughter can leave the house for a few days as if one of us goes over to take care of the dog. She brought her over her mother in law's house which has a beautiful gentle but very big German shepherd. That of course she attacked the German shepherd which was more than able to defend herself. Goes to show you that without training even a dog raised from a puppy can turn out aggressive. When no aggression was ever given to it.
Two months old is definitely still a puppy. Also the pit mix might be reacting out of fear. During the year away from your old lab, how were the pittys interactions with other dogs? Could it have been bullied by other dogs or not well socialised? Knowing one or two dogs doesn't make them socialised and dog friendly.
@@lexaandco7546 The dog is 4 years old now. It was a wonderful puppy for a year played with my dog no problem. Now it attacks any dog it sees
@@kicknadeadcat Sounds like it's still a wonderful dog. Unfortunately with dog reactivity.
@@lexaandco7546 yep shes a sweetheart. Unfortunately my daughter didn't train her properly.
I think this is a great example of genetics. Being certain breed doesn't Automatically make a dog a certain way, but all terriers have a level of animal aggression (they were literally bred to kill vermin, I have and love terriers, but its true) and without solid training it can be a problem
Great, great video.
The toughest decisions for animal to do whatever it maybe is your the voice, the aggressive ones were raised and don’t know better those are the ones I feel for
I adopted a 6mo. old sable GSD. Unbeknownst to me, I was her 4th home. She is papered with great pedigree. Both parents are working police dogs. She is extremely high drive. We bonded quickly. I also have a 10yr. Old Black and Tan GSD. So I am an "experienced" owner. "JAGER" was very apprehensive. Long story short, 3 yrs later and I have a tremendously awesome young GSD. She trusted no one. And I dont blame her. I closed my business because someone accused her of biting her, which in the end was a lie. They tried to have her put down. Lots of love and discipline and learning to trust me has given me a wonderful companion. Well worth my sacrifices.
Thank you Robert, you are truely a good man, this is a tough subject. But I believe spot on! Keep up the great work!
Always amazing and deep content! Thank you Mr. Cabral! I hope some day I get to meet you in person as well as Goofy! 🙏🏻
I LIVE IN CANADA , AN I AGREE WITH U ALL THE WAY..IVE HAD A FEW RESCUE DOGS A DOBERMAN WAS MY LAST DOG..AN I HAD TO WORK WITH HIM ALL THE TIME..I MEAN ALL THE TIME..HE TURNED OUT OK HOWEVER .I DONT KNOW IF I COULD DO IT AGAIN..I HAVE A LAB NOW GOT HER AS A PUPP.MUCH EASIER TOO WORK WITH.THANKS.
I need all animal advocates to see this video.
Dog-fighting is a mostly male enterprise, but unfortunately there are definitely women involved as well. A big case in the Netherlands a couple years back was a man and a woman who ran a fighting ring. They had several women go out and get dogs from shelters saying they wanted strong dogs for protection.
I knew a girl who did it and she loved her dogs. You'd never suspect some people because they really do love their dogs. The dogs itch so bad to fight that, in this case, anyway, the woman felt that she was indulging them and making a little money in the process. It was casual ghetto streetfighting, but I've read where "real" dogfighters say it is cruel to keep a game pit from fighting, so same attitude.
I have read a story about the mafia in Italy keeping their fighters with other people and the impression I got was some kind of family (or maybe rescue) situation making the dogs appear to be pets.
Responsible decision on the reactive dog. Wise and brave people.
Sorry I'm not being very active but mates just lost his Mali , she was seemingly ok one day then next day she was gone. He is in bits.
Thanks Robert : )
Another comment: So animal shelters here in Spain are severely affected by the immature population at large. People want a dog and after six months they find out that the apartment is way too small for the XL dog. ...or the kids have lost their interest in the animal. Something like that is predictable. Adults of all ages have the mental maturity of teenagers. Of course, that fuels the breeder-industry - back yard or otherwise.
LamentoAbsurdo Yup, huge Problem here in Germany as well... people are nuts.🤦🏼♀️
Tell us about the nanny terrier and the nanny bulldog.lol
Unfortunately most dog problems are the fault of the person who has allowed bad habits as a puppy to continue or doesn't have an A personality needed to control them especially when it comes to Bullies
22:45 😢
What if someone could train the dog , with the proper attention and maintenance it deserves?
I totally agree with you especially about terriers ,3 times my staffi was attacked by them,and I always have my staffi on the lead!! When you don't have the dog from a pup unfortunately you don't know whay he has been through. I rescued my 8 year old staffi 4 months ago,but you have to be super responsible to own a restricted breed. It's not easy ,I'm always looking ahead. It must have been a tough decision for them but a very sensible one,in my opinion. Thanks Robert.
Bernie McNamara Staffies are terriers
@@pnwesterner6220 I know I am talking about the small jack Russell type. They always want to fight Blue, its so frustrating.
Unfortunately for pitbulls poor breeding has destroyed what these dogs where really bred to be..its sad and I've found that the "cool" colors are really effected with bad genetics- temperament and health their mental stability has been throw right out the window...have dealt with this first hand I now have a fear reactive Malinois because of a pitbull who is red nose, foster dog who was possessive over me and became aggressive towards him and I had to make a though decision to have him placed else where and now paying for a trainer to help my mali had a blue nose who would lung at my horses throats both dogs where not what I'd call mentally stable dogs
that’s what I tell crazy people: in my hand my dogs are not dangerous, that means as long as I’m on my own feet, nothing happens...
It's like letting rapists and killers go free!
Why doesn’t the shelter know the dog IS aggressive? Do they know and don’t tell people??
Shelters bring in many dogs. And typically the intake people are not the adoption counselor/output person. Most shelters just keep dogs until they overflow- then the dog thats been there the longest is put down.
Finally- a lot of these dogs are very confused. A lot of their aggression is defensive over the people it loves, when those people leave the dog is very depressed. It doesn't start to be aggressive again until it bonds to its new owners. That makes it extra insidious. That dog looks like it's friendly now, but as soon as it loves you it wants to kill everyone and thing it perceives as a threat, but its threat meter is broken.
Dogs often don't show their "true colors" while at the shelter.
Yes. Or sometimes they don't recognize it as aggression because they're so used to aggressive dogs, now, with all the pit rehabbing TV shows, they just think that's how dogs are.
Animal Farm Foundation has it right on their web page to stop using the word "aggression." They suggest a bunch of euphamisms to use instead. Their main concern is pit bulls getting an improved public opinion. That did work, but how long will it last? The rescue pits are mauling people daily and killing people 3-4 times per month in America.
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I must comment on this - back in the days, in England and Ireland the dog fighting breeders were very very proud of their dogs and most of them were of the working class. This meant that the dogs lived with them in a small places, with their kids. Now because of that any fighting dog that showed any kind of aggression towards people was not used to breed further. Another reason for this was that in the fight itself - much like a boxing match - the dogs were handled by their handlers between rounds and had to be separated during the fight, so no one wanted to he bitten while doing so. This made them most affectionate dogs towards people and especially towards children. To make a pure bred APBT or SBT, aggressive towards a child, is not a simple task, it means the dog must have been really fucked up by it's owner.
I had SBT from a working line, and they were absolutely solid with people and especially with kids, and it was such a contrast to a German shepherd I had before them when I was a kid growing up, which bitten multiple times. For mixes generally what I have witnessed is that the pit traits takes over most of the time, but as they are mixes, the other breed might compromise this trait of the pits.
Why is there a bad dog.he comes to tou as apup. You are his mother father so
But you can bring them up that they way that you what.
Just let the people know every simple aggression is not the case, show them exactly the deference between aggression and severe aggression, people can easily get confused here as they are not experts.
please make this super clear.
No such thing as a bad dog. Only bad owners. Putting a dog down because the owner failed the dog is not the dogs fault, it’s the owners fault. The owner should not be excused to blame the dog.
Mike's Man Cave Well I politely disagree with you I am currently working with a Belgian Malinois, bought by a DOD from a breeder with an outstanding track record great genetics and awards from the parents grandparents
Because of the commitment that was made for the puppy as soon as she was waiting for the mother she was put in a crate and ship to United States to start her military training she was never socialized and she did bite handlers probably the handle is that couldn’t figure out that she was just nervous and scared I was going to put her down six months ago but I will continue to follow Roberts advice then some others we work as often as possible and as long as she’s learning new things and being exposed to the stuff she was not as a puppy she’s doing well but technically she’s a bad dog because she will bite
Anything with a mouth can bite especially if The nervous neurotic unsocialized dog has a mouth, so by the time I hear about them or find out about them I am their last hope
@@ericmartinson8910 You say you disagree with me then you go on telling me that she was handled and trained by someone who had no idea and did not bring the dog up correctly did not socialise the dog etc etc how is any of this the dogs fault?? You do realise that means the owner is at fault not the dog. If the dog was socialised and brought up correctly there would be no issue. So essentially you have just proven my point, no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners who failed the dog.
Mike's Man Cave
Mike I guess I should rephrase this, just like there are no bad humans (LoL) there are no bad dogs.....??
But some humans are born simply broken just like some K9’s are born broken, poorly bread raised, and not socialized by the breeders they’re not bad dogs but they can be dangerous, and should not be allowed for Mr. and Mrs. Jo Smith’s to have one because they sought on a movie, or their local first responders did a demonstration of a bite and hold our tracking
I’m not saying I’m the most spectacular owner/handler out there but I am responsible for the canine lives under my care and responsibility. That sometimes means making tough decisions, certain breeds should only be owned & handled by, humans that have certain level of experience
I do agree to a certain level there are no bad dogs but there are some dogs that are switched off, have genetic abnormalities, bred to young, and bread for aggressiveness. Then all the other dogs of the same breed get Brandon that’s a “bad dog” however they’re handled by a novice uneducatable, self-centered human being so how do we handle that problem we put the dogs down (euthanized killed) when they make a mistake what about the humans,,
@@ericmartinson8910 So again how is any of this the dogs fault? It's not the dogs fault, the dog is just a dog waiting to be educated and trained by the owner, it's the owners fault for not doing the right thing by the dog, educating the dog and training it as it should be trained. So again you have just confirmed my point that there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners who failed the dog. If the dog ends up needing to be put down it is 100% the owners fault, no one else, but people who fail dogs will always blame the dog for their shortcomings so they car sleep at night knowing they have done the right thing when in reality they are 110% at fault.
Mike's Man Cave, I will agree to a certain extent but let me ask you this. do you believe that a dog can be nuts or crazy? Born that way from a genetic defect poor breeding, ownership care diet genetics and on??
I’m obviously not as educated as you I’ve only worked with working/service line GSD, Great Dane and Belgian Malinois, I have not run across a canine but I have not been able to form a connection with and usually help as a layperson, One of my biggest concerns is that the working line Mals, genetics are gonna start getting screwed up by inappropriate breeding from Poor genetics stock and bad breeders. So if there are no bad dogs out there what term would you use bad humans ? well I think most people are self-centered and just plain suck.
We have all seen it happen with other dogs. look at how many pit bulls are across bread and now live shelters until the day they are euthanized? how many labs have bad hips they’re out there I’m not attacking you. Mike, what would you deem appropriate instead of using the word
“bad dog” to differentiate between a dog that genetically damaged?
I don’t like the term bad dog but it is 2 words to describe an entire situation that I believe most people will not ever understand, how their actions have consequence s. Unfortunately usually responsible pet owners like US trainers etc. are the ones that have to deal with the mess