Discipline Priest | Torment Rotation Guide

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  • @HairyHotDogz
    @HairyHotDogz 9 днів тому +2

    absolutely amazing video. 99% of these guides have some mouth breather just reading the talent tree. this was an actual rotation guide. THANK YOU!

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  9 днів тому +1

      You're welcome, thanks! Check out the contrast to this video my guide on spells outside of the pet window! :D

    • @thizzler100
      @thizzler100 6 годин тому +1

      @@JustDisciplineWhere is that video? I can’t seem to find it. Please and thank you. 🙏🏽

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  3 години тому

      @@thizzler100 its at the top of my page with the guides!

  • @resto95
    @resto95 Місяць тому +5

    Great video great to see people making this kind of stuff for the community.
    Glad you noticed the death could be front loaded situationally and not during rift window compared to last rotation guide.
    Noticing when to cast it during rift and not is a huge deal imo.
    Excellent stuff.
    Thank you.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      Yes! Largely I'm playing it out of the rift- sometimes I will favor the Rift first for the damage grab!

  • @KaharoKills
    @KaharoKills Місяць тому +21

    listen dude, im not a bad player by any means im just newish to disc, And when i tell you this one video doubled my performance I am not exaggerating. Just did a 7 NW after watching this and pulled 420K overall dps and in a couple trash packs pulled over 1 mil dps AND my hps when up overall as well. Literally thank you so much man, I feel so powerful. Well deserved sub!

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +3

      Thanks and glad to hear it! Did my best here to spell it all out! Over 400 is great!

    • @AlpiFirat
      @AlpiFirat Місяць тому +4

      hello I leveled pri 5 days ago and I need advice too. This guide is most likely the ones who have experience with disc priest. Because everything is too much for me atm. I tried on +2 keys and my problem is atoment falls of so fast before I complete my rotation. 605 ilvl %11 haste. I know its too low but not sure what to do. He is talking about torment or something what is that? atoment is the biggest problem for me.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@AlpiFirat Radiance is your solution for during your rotation window. And torments, visit Inescapable Torments the talent!

  • @CharlesMurphy1000
    @CharlesMurphy1000 Місяць тому +4

    Been watching for a while, you got the best videos for discipline priests. I appreciate the detail you go into for such a complex class/specialization.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks a ton! Uploading new videos this weekend!

  • @blackmist1981
    @blackmist1981 28 днів тому +3

    Vid has made me actually practice and enjoy the spec. Really appreciate this

  • @etienneouellet4724
    @etienneouellet4724 Місяць тому +1

    Hello! I'm new to the channel and I just wanted to thank you for this great video! I really appreciate you showing the talent and what it does rather than just mentioning it by name. Short, simple and efficient :)
    You've got yourself a new sub and a like, keep it up 👍

  • @JustDiscipline
    @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +15

    Sorry to post twice, had an editing error!

    • @chrismckenzie9164
      @chrismckenzie9164 Місяць тому +1

      Hey just getting into a discipline priest I've never played wow and my friends want me to play they need a healer go figure and I can tell they can't help me lol. Anyway we can hook up and get set up as atleast? I'm off today so let me know please

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@chrismckenzie9164 I could help this weekend!

    • @chrismckenzie9164
      @chrismckenzie9164 Місяць тому +1

      @@JustDiscipline ok that would be great

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@chrismckenzie9164 take a look at my metafy and put yourself in my schedule! Weekend mornings are great for me!

    • @chrismckenzie9164
      @chrismckenzie9164 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@JustDisciplineI can pick any of those times though? Even todays time slots?

  • @alicantipi4235
    @alicantipi4235 Місяць тому +2

    high quality content, thank you

  • @alicantipi4235
    @alicantipi4235 Місяць тому +2

    what do you do when the group pulls another pack when your pet or something else is in CD and you cant start your rotation as described in the video

  • @Obsessions95
    @Obsessions95 Місяць тому +4

    Might just be a preference thing, but as disc does great priority damage I play death after the first penance in the torment window for the extra damage. I would drop divine star all together for another void blast as star is really just padding when you could get extra damage into focusing a dangerous mob down. I think this is also preferable for more healing. Especially on bosses

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@Obsessions95 playing death in your rift window means one less void blast, same reasoning you made about Star- SW:Death before the Rift!
      Void Blast is way more valuable on Schism, more than a death on the schism. Sacrificing 1 blast if you play death within your rift.
      Putting death in the rift also means less cdr for your penance making it harder for your torments in the long run. And harder for your 2x penance in the rift.

    • @Obsessions95
      @Obsessions95 Місяць тому +1

      @@JustDiscipline I would agree if torment didn’t benefit from schism. But a death + torment is almost double the damage of one void blast. Making it a better option.
      What you say about the penance CDR is true, but with 32% haste I still can only fit 2 penances into my rift. And 2 penances shouldn’t be a problem for most 620+ geared priests.
      You are right in that you can get a third penance in the mindbender window at the very end of the duration. But I think trading that for more upfront healing and damage is better, as hardly any damage mechanics require 20+ seconds of intensive healing

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@Obsessions95 I did a lot of testing and you’re more commonly going to drop a torment that way. Moreover, a blast hits harder than death and torment combined, and when you’re lowering your torment average to boot is not good!
      Details gives you the highs and lows of each spell, you can make the comparison.

    • @Obsessions95
      @Obsessions95 Місяць тому

      @@JustDiscipline This is incorrect. I just tested on dummies multiple times to ensure accuracy. Void blast only hits harder than death + torment when empowered by weal and woe (or when critting). The damage of death + torment is over double the damage of one void blast, with the additional benefit of being able to move while casting it. Meaning you get more damage, cleave damage, and healing by including it in the schism window.
      I really enjoy your content, and you’ve personally taught me a lot. But when teaching beginners the absolute optimal should be discussed.
      Another trap I’ve fallen into is using double radiance within rift to cover the party again before the collapse, even when not needed, which sometimes starves me of a radiance to get out of trouble if there is damage after the rift had ended. I think it would be a good thing to mention in your guides as getting into the habit of double casting every time could negatively impact people. I’m having to retrain myself to use only one by default and a second only if there’s damage still going out before the collapse. Thanks again for the great content

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@Obsessions95 I fall back to the original point I made about CDR. And the 2 values are not double a blast. The CDR is the main loss with Torment average dropping if you delay the death.
      This is a video discussing how I'm playing and why. Moreover, I did discuss flipping the rotation.

  • @Pogopvp
    @Pogopvp 13 днів тому +1

    With the Talent "Weal and Woe" and the 4 set bonus, can i make an argument to cast a massive shield after the 3 initial void blasts, instead of Dark star? Or is Darkstar purely for damage?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  13 днів тому

      If just your rift is out, sure. But if it's a pet/rift window I try to favor CDR over shields. And the Star is kinda a DPS grab spell only yes

  • @morgo64
    @morgo64 Місяць тому +2

    How can I get my atonements to show as a white bar on the raid frames? That would help so much. Thanks!

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      This is my GRID2 which is available to all members of my channel!

    • @morgo64
      @morgo64 Місяць тому

      @@JustDiscipline thanks!

    • @raystamm8973
      @raystamm8973 Місяць тому

      I figured out how to make grid2 place a colored purple border around anyone with active atonement. Then it changes to yellow at 5 sec and red at 2. Very handy. Took me an hour to make it track shields properly. Complex addon.

  • @joshuaswetman2887
    @joshuaswetman2887 Місяць тому +4

    Could you link us the Weak Aura you have for tracking Atonement in the Raid/Party Frames like that?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@joshuaswetman2887 it’s actually GRID2! All my codes are available to members of the channel or my private students through Metafy

    • @laconglock
      @laconglock 26 днів тому

      +1 for the weakaura please

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  26 днів тому

      Its actually not a WA, those are my bars. GRID2

  • @HecticComments
    @HecticComments 23 дні тому +1

    I can't seem to manage to pull off 6 torments if im taking mindbender? is it because it's a shorter window? tooltip says mindbender is 12 seconds

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  19 днів тому

      The Voidwraith should be 15 with extensions. I will say 6 can be our of reach if you don't have enough haste!

  • @willvaya
    @willvaya 13 днів тому +1

    Thanks for this breakdown! Is this rotation for raids or M+? Or is it more or less the same. I was more interested in the M+ rotation

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  13 днів тому +1

      Definitely leans M+, but there is a lot of carry over in principle!

    • @willvaya
      @willvaya 12 днів тому

      ​@@JustDiscipline One follow up question I have regarding your Talent Build is do you think Malicious Intent gives more hps than Painful Punishment? Based on Murlok IO, most top disc priest seem to do the latter (Painful Punishment)

  • @Cornnbreadd
    @Cornnbreadd Місяць тому +1

    so to be clear, we should be trying to walk into either 6 or 8 torment windows with the party covered in full length atonements? or should is it fine to radiance first?
    Icy veins suggests voidwraith > mind blast > radiance > penance, voidblasts, and shadow word death
    is the icy veins rotation more for beginners to the spec like me (im about 10 hours into disc but i am 2.5k on MW rn) and your suggested rotation is more advanced and min/maxxy?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@Cornnbreadd as your opener you need to put your torment spells on cd immediately without spells in between.
      I lead in with our 15 second atonements for all the talents that go along with those spells; often I will already be holding an HD proc as I cast it in between combat, but it’s a weaker atonement ramp to only rely on radiance on pull start. If you delay your first penance with more spells first you will be dropping torments.

    • @Cornnbreadd
      @Cornnbreadd Місяць тому +2

      @@JustDiscipline okay that makes sense
      so like in a m+ if we are all walking to the next pack and say it takes like 6 seconds to get there and i expect significant damage to come out soon after engaging (like the despoilers that pulse AoE in SV for example), i should shield the tank, throw up a couple renews, use a flash of light proc if i have it and then maybe another shield on someone, covering everyone in atonements so then i can start the voidwraith window when the damage is happening, casting radiance in between when the initial atonements fall off and ensuring the collapse overlaps. would that be correct?
      Really what im unsure of is whether or not renew is actually worth it to cast when setting up in those situations. I've seen conflicting opinions on that. Some people even have said they may cast renew once or twice in an entire dungeon. but I dont see how else to get those 15 sec atonements out while moving (outside of rapture). I am so used to pushing with mistweaver so being ranged is new to me.
      Also thank you for responding!

    • @syned149
      @syned149 Місяць тому +1

      Renew is a great atonement applicator. People that rarely use it probably use radiance instead and avoid having to bind another button. But as mentioned in the video it's not optimal.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@syned149 I've never heard of people not binding it because they are overwhelmed lol that's crazy. I use renew very often as I'm ramping

  • @Foxist-g8s
    @Foxist-g8s Місяць тому +1

    HEY! great video really easy to follow and understand why things re happening! I have an issue where when i go for the six torment rotation my voidwraith runs out befor e i get the two smites out at the end so i dont get the shadow word death and the last penance out (because penance cooldown isnt reset yet because iam missing a smite). Are there haste thresholds to be met for this to work? I understand how it is supposed to work but for some reason it doesnt line up for me. I am specced into train of thought and torment.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@Foxist-g8s yes. If you’re low on haste you will cap out early

    • @Foxist-g8s
      @Foxist-g8s Місяць тому

      @@JustDiscipline makes sense, ty for the answer! new to disc blast to play tho

  • @TheOdie1984
    @TheOdie1984 11 днів тому +1

    I love your UI, how can i get it?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  11 днів тому

      Happy to share it all to you, look into a UI lesson through metafy and we can do it all!

  • @supernovasat
    @supernovasat 6 днів тому +1

    Do you ever use penance to heal ppl instead?

  • @HazyKilla
    @HazyKilla Місяць тому +1

    Hey, for M+, should I focus on crit after haste?

  • @MultiNutzername1
    @MultiNutzername1 Місяць тому +2

    You say at 6:20 that "flash heal is going to atone 2 of your party". How is it 2 as a single target spell? Is there some talent? Im trying disc for first time

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      binding heals!

    • @Ragevizion
      @Ragevizion Місяць тому

      Binding heals always puts an atonement on yourself when you heal another party member

  • @MrKassemkabbani
    @MrKassemkabbani Місяць тому +1

    Do i get the ui with any subscription? like the discipline ftw?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      Yep, I just have 2 options because people like options!

  • @mord0
    @mord0 Місяць тому +1

    Why not do 2 radiances / rapture + evangelism (w harsh discipline talent point) before ramp as you’ll get 4 more bolts of penance which increase rift damage?

  • @YoungLee-j3o
    @YoungLee-j3o Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for a good guide!
    What is the benefit of using Divine Star instead of four Void Blast?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      @@YoungLee-j3o aoe pull takes star. ST probably wouldn’t

  • @Priestitude
    @Priestitude Місяць тому +1

    I used to main disc in MOP where atonement is a passive built in. Came back in SL DF TWW to be more casual (as atonement is an active spell now) so i played a holy priest. (Im a dad now and just wanted to chill). Always have the itch to try disc as holy is too easy. Havent really commit to disc because i usually pug and i understand that disc is not good in emergency spot heal. May i know how true is it and do you recommend disc in a pug environment where people step in fire and let casts go off? My target is only M+10. I am really considering a private lesson to improve once i get disc rolling and have a feel on it. Disc priest is always considered as the hardest healer and it is my wet dream to be good at it.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@Priestitude this idea of we don’t have good spot healing largely will point to poor approach to the spec. As in you’re playing Disc as if it were Holy, without much proactivity.
      Weal & Woe is AMAZING ST heal.. if you're playing ahead of damage and can see those things in your UI

  • @CodeCmdr
    @CodeCmdr Місяць тому +2

    I'm a total Disc noob and I'm confused by this video. Is this for raid and/or M? Could you please start with the basics, rather than jumping into details on some specific talents?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      This video's intention is to fully explain the rotation's end goal, focus on M+ but some carry over to Raid/PvP.
      Have to say tho, this is very much a video on basics. Our pet is the crux of our game play and something even the most beginner of players needs to work on! If you have any specific questions let me know!

  • @robertquick7468
    @robertquick7468 Місяць тому +1

    You mentioned in between mindbender (so when you don't have much healing throughput), using ps, keeping dots up on multi target, rapture and I probably guess barrier as needed. You did mention something about strengthening our shields which I didn't understand but lost the comment on the old video if you can remember? Thanks

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      Check Weal & Woe. You can use Penance to focus on your dots and weave Raptures after Penance

  • @eliezerviloriocruz7339
    @eliezerviloriocruz7339 Місяць тому +2

    Muchas gracias por compartir eres maravilloso ¡MUCHAS GRACIAS!

  • @ramigriberg9598
    @ramigriberg9598 Місяць тому +4

    Great video, i would love if you could use the weakaura/addon that alot of pvpers use so u can see exacly what button/spell you are presseing! :)

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      Considered it and have in the past.. but I kinda have to favor my own gameplay first here and keep it clean. I have done my best with my UI tho so that you can still see my actions without that extra addon.
      Using traditional action bars should make it possible for you to follow along. With the sounds too, and have a WA that shows which instant casts I use. on the cast bar

    • @syned149
      @syned149 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@JustDiscipline You can't count on the fact that people should know your UI.
      And on your demonstration, instant casts are not displayed on your cast bar.
      Either add the mentioned WeakAuras to see the instant casts on your cast bar, or use the mentioned addon for people to follow along.
      If you really don't want to clutter your screen, which is a good point, you can enable the addon only for your demonstration recordings.
      But the cleaner option would be to include instant casts to your cast bar.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@syned149 I actually think it is kinda fair to have people read my action bars since they are default bars. They have graphics included showing casts bars, cast cancels, and cast completion.. And check again, instant casts are 100% shown, too. Their name splashes right where the bar is..
      Your argument would hold more water if it were reversed "you can't expect people to know all your specific Addons." A default UI is a commonality we all share and the exact reason I bank into it.

    • @syned149
      @syned149 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@JustDiscipline Was watching on mobile and didn't see it. I think it's the best compromise 👍

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@syned149 yeah! It might be different than you’re expecting, but I haven’t neglected the viewer being able to read my casts!

  • @movntn
    @movntn Місяць тому +1

    Fantastic guide! Any chance you can share the weak aura that counts torments?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      All WAs available to members of my channel or students on Metafy!

  • @Cichaj
    @Cichaj Місяць тому +1

    Hey, where can I find torment counter weakaura? Great video btw 🙂

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      Consider joining the channel as a member! I have all UI elements shared there or for students of mine through Metafy

  • @simonwing137
    @simonwing137 Місяць тому +1

    when do you hit purge the wicked ?

  • @JqrypterS
    @JqrypterS Місяць тому +2

    Hello, thanks for the video, your dungeons reviews also very helpful! I am just starting as a healer, and everyone says disc is the hardest one, is that true though? Its just the only healer i find interesing.. Thanks!

  • @AerialMediapro
    @AerialMediapro Місяць тому +1

    Hi, amazing content, thank you! Could you please tell us when do you stop staking haste and go for another secondary stat? and what do you prio after haste, crit or mastery?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      haste, crit, vers. Not too sure where the DRs come in, but I dont' think in S1 we need to worry about it! Crit haste!

  • @Essjaybee2934
    @Essjaybee2934 Місяць тому +1

    super guide ty

  • @HansPeters1234
    @HansPeters1234 28 днів тому +1

    Nice guide but your Torment windows only work with Power Infusion or am i crazy? Means you dont have a 6 Torment window in your normal rotation but maybe i missed something

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  28 днів тому

      It does not only work with Power Infusion

    • @HansPeters1234
      @HansPeters1234 28 днів тому +1

      @@JustDiscipline i have quite a alot of haste and that last penance doesnt work for me without PI. Strange.

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  28 днів тому

      @@HansPeters1234 clip me your rotation through Discord!

    • @HansPeters1234
      @HansPeters1234 27 днів тому +1

      @@JustDiscipline its ok i think in higher keys this min max stuff doesnt work anyway cuz ppl dying left and right and you have to move in order to dodge stuff u will never get that last penance out for torment etc...

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  27 днів тому

      @@HansPeters1234 watch any of my videos, you can. I'd be curious to see your gameplay, upload a video.

  • @nicolasbraun3638
    @nicolasbraun3638 Місяць тому +2

    Awesome video
    Just do not get why you are postponing the last SW:Death and Penance

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      Minor but has to do with the GCDs. Don't want an extra GCD in the window

  • @knocker2
    @knocker2 7 днів тому +1

    why is it when people post these videos they never post the talent code

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  7 днів тому

      Because you should do it yourself in order to learn.

  • @raystamm8973
    @raystamm8973 Місяць тому

    Thanks for the guide. Using it in proving grounds to remember the rotation. What do you do between this sequence? Just ramp up atonement again and repeat?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому +1

      Yes, I focus on using penance to keep dots up, renews on tanks, Raptures, Barrier, all for the next round!

  • @MrGillouz
    @MrGillouz Місяць тому +1

    Hi, thanks for this great video ! Just to be sure as I'm not fluent in english, can you please confirm that before starting your rotation at least 4 players are under atonement?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      It's good practice, yes. 15 seconds Atonements is a great way to lead into the voidwraith window

    • @MrGillouz
      @MrGillouz 29 днів тому +1

      @JustDiscipline thanks !!! What's the WA just upper to you ? Is it to follow radiance ? Possible to have it ?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  29 днів тому

      @@MrGillouz I'm sorry I do not understand!

    • @MrGillouz
      @MrGillouz 29 днів тому +1

      @@JustDiscipline I'm sorry :) I'm talking about the diamond that's appear during the video about rotation

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  29 днів тому

      @@MrGillouz ah, it's tracking weal and woe and tier set. It's a totally passive thing I just put it up to be fancy~!

  • @raystamm8973
    @raystamm8973 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks!

  • @logik99
    @logik99 Місяць тому +1

    This is great, subbed as an aspiring disc player. Embellishments for m+? I hear that the woven ones might be bugged

  • @syned149
    @syned149 Місяць тому +1

    So Voidwrath over Depths of Shadow?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      It pumps more, people calling it a bug but who knows

  • @scipetr
    @scipetr 29 днів тому +1

    Please use Action tracker plugin from Details next time...

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  29 днів тому

      I've already found a fair compromise since this video, the plugin thing I'm not gon do tho D:
      Check out my newest 2 videos to see the change

  • @BillBless-777
    @BillBless-777 Місяць тому +2

    What are the blue squares above your nameplate indicating?

    • @JustDiscipline
      @JustDiscipline  Місяць тому

      @@BillBless-777 indicators for weak and woe and tier set. I kinda thought they looked nice for my videos but I let them be totally passive powers honestly

  • @Flip-mo
    @Flip-mo 28 днів тому +2

    Danke!

  • @romanianrambo
    @romanianrambo 6 днів тому +1

    Sam Harris of WoW

  • @Jeebizz101
    @Jeebizz101 Місяць тому +1

    cheers bro, fucking gamer :)