These punters have realized the perfect spiral punt is no longer valid. Throw up the knuckle ball with long hang times. Much harder for the returner to catch. If the returner is spending more time just trying to catch the ball the less time he has to pick a lane to run through.
I would push back on this notion a bit, the spiral is still the premier ball for distance and hang time optimization and the best way to for sure flip the field, but I think it's time as being the go to punt to hit 90+% of the time in the open field is over as these trick punts begin to integrate further into the league.
@@IsaacPunts There’s definitely no doubt that the punt is a highly specialized kick. Long and deep, corners, back spins, knuckle balls, left side, right side, moon balls… the list is long.
You’ve single-handedly made punts mandatory viewing. Sure, I’m not gonna be happy when the Ravens go 3 and out this year, but I’m gonna watch with *rapt* attention when Jordan Stout walks out there.
Yeah should be easy with drone cams...we have missed watching some insane punts especially the ones that hit objects up in the air in dome stadiums lol
It's videos like these that really helped me understand how incredibly complicated and nuanced football really is. This is a great example of how a tiny adjustment to what most people look at and say "he's just kicking the ball to the other team" can turn it into a massive playmaker
@@tinkmaster1054 yup. Even the work each player including the o-line men do, to make a run happen. It all matters. So when a play gets a huge run off, it's a team effort not just a player achievement.
I actually noticed this while I was watching the highlights of the game. I mean, I didn't notice it in such detail, but I did think, "huh, Texans are receiving the punt funny." I never would have noticed a detail like this if it weren't for this channel.
@@TV47WOILThis guy obviously 😂 but even then when 3 different punt returners muff a catch, you start to ask questions lol. Like he said you don’t notice in such detail, but it doesn’t look like a traditional return, they look flustered out there.
In high school my son would punt similar and the chaos it caused was like throwing a 40 yard hail mary for his team. 50% of his punts were dropped and or muffed.
We use that kick in Australian AFL football all the time because of how it 'bends' in flight. It's mostly used for kicking at goals from acute angles. In some States it is called a 'Checkside Punt', while others call it a 'Banana'. Not effective for distance, but can be kicked very high.
i honestly dont know if this is actually a checkside cause of the way the footage shows it come off the boot, it still seems a bit more like a drop punt but obviously would have to have better angles/vision of it. the checkside lacks distance but it makes up for it in height and if kicked correctly turn a crazy amount which i can imagine causes a lot of confusion for whoever has to sit under it lol. also ive got no idea who's gonna win finals, seems like any team (but carlton) could have their day
It's used a lot in rugby league, too, when you're kicking away possession on your last tackle. It's done because it's so hard to catch. Also, the potential reward is greater because any fumble forward is a "knock on" which returns possession to the kicking team.
@@darkassassin6457 Agreed, I don't think this is the same, though the kicking action looks similar. I think the different ball shape turns it into something different.
Yep. A lot of people don't understand how important punting & having a killer punter is. All the credit goes to quarterbacks, receivers, running backs, coaching, etc. But punters can change a game.
@@cyclopsvision6370 They didn't say that, they just said having a killer punter. I grew up in the Ray Guy era so I can relate. A great punter is a weapon most people don't think about.
I'm on 0:16 and I can see that bruh is hitting the "back" of the ball is it comes down (as it spiraling vertically down so it'll go super high too) ... that is going to be an absolute NIGHTMARE to catch ...
Listeningvv cf to you describe punting and kicking is so informative. I’ve learned a lot from watching your channel, keep up the great work! All For The Brand!
Thanks for the insightful post. Many Rams fans have been "unimpressed" and are voicing their displeasure with Evans punts this preseason. Mostly the inability to pin opposition inside the 10-15 yd line. I noticed that he seemed to be kicking differently than last year and was also concerned as to why. Increasing the difficulties to field a punt is a GREAT idea. If he learns to hone in the distance control, he would become a game changer. Enjoy your channel.
Indeed I wouldn't complain about not getting opposition pinned inside their 15, if that's balanced by a significant number of punts being dropped for a turnover. Risk v reward.
Whatever happened to old school directional punting, where the punter kicks towards the sideline, so the coverage team could use the sideline as an extra man to prevent a long punt return?
I never gave punters a second though, but now they have my full attention every time they kick. Love the content! I'm pumped to see all your videos this season!
Ray Guy, 1970s-80s punter for Raiders had 8 sec hangtimes. He would hold the ball until he kicked it, which would be close to the height of his waist & foot would go above his head & left foot would come off the ground several inches. I see now that the new style punting seems way better. Thanks 4 exposing the new concept to me.
Isaac - Years ago i had a volleyball serve that opponents did not like. As i was prepping to serve, I'd spot the air nozzle and place that where my hand would hit. Upon striking the ball, I'd hit the ball so my hand would strike the nozzle. This technique would cause a knuckle ball effect, like you get in baseball. I noticed in the early shots that the punter kicked with laces facing him, which meant the laces would cause the same effect. For those that pay attention to point after kicks, the balls often start circling to the left, then circle back to the right. This occurs due to the centrifugal forces putting torque on the ball. Striking a ball on the portion where the ball is not smooth, exaggerates the effect.
That's called a floater serve, and you don't have to hit the nozzle...you just have to hit with no spin and it moves like crazy and is difficult to return. But yeah, a killer serve even at the high levels.
@@scooter73-i2yeah I was going to comment it just has to do with little to no spin I was a knuckleball pitcher back when I used to pitch back in little league. Mainly 3 finger fastball, changeup, and knuckle ball until I learned how to throw sliders and curves consistently.
@@jimmyjamm4432 The stadium is in Houston, a city that was just hit by a hurricane. The roof was damaged and has yet to be fixed because you can't exactly find stadium roof paneling at home depot
This is wonderful. Nice work! The hang time plus the unfamiliar spin is what makes it work. It’s a distant cousin of Frank Beamer popularizing the use of left-footed punters.
Look at the way he holds the bowl before dropping it into his kick. I've never seen a punter do it like that, and I'm thinking that's gotta be how he gets the kick to be so squirrely, but still have good hang time and accuracy.
This just gave me an idea, keep in mind as you read this I am not a punter and that I am more involved with baseball than football. There is a pitch in baseball known as the knuckleball I pitched thrown with intentionally no spin and moves in some really weird ways that batters cannot predict. What does this have to do with a punt? Well, here's my idea. I know that a punt is kicked in such a way so that it has a lot of spin on the ball so it flies as far as possible. So what if you took away that spin? Sure, the ball would not fly quite as far, but you never would be able to predict how it would fly in the air. Just an idea though and if anyone knows more about this than me please feel free to comment on how I'm dumb.
I feel like this only really applies in baseball & soccer because of the ball shape, I don't think you could do that and get reasonable distance with it with an NFL or even a rugby ball because of the pointed ends which would cause unwanted drag and start to cause spin, you've also got the laces on an NFL ball to worry about as well. Cool concept and it'd be sick if somebody could pull it off but I think the benefits you'd get from wanting it to knuckle would be out done by the distance you'd get from it and it being even harder to replicate than a knuckleball in soccer so I don't think it'd get used. I think best consistent use case scenario would be that it would end up being a shorter, more unpredictable punt with the goal of getting it to bounce further down field/out of bounds/back into your gunners but it'd be a massive coin flip still.
These guys really have kept punting relevant these days. Big fan of these videos, shows more to it than just kicking a ball. An it can be a weapon when you drop one in the returner cant catch. Like a free deep pass right there.
among other positions, but as a former high school punter you literally have made punting more enjoyable for the casual and hardcore fan. Love the channel
I am an old F’er and this punter has either watched old tapes of Mike Bragg, Ray Guy, and other punters from the ‘70’s who first started specializing with punts that had tons of hang time and moved around in the air erratically on there decent.
bro the lights flashing behind the split screen at 0:35 is actually going to make me have an epileptic attack and I don't have epilepsy. Cool video, editing was a bit much.
Holy shit, I've been inadvertently trying out this punt, I was just trying out new holds and this was one 😂 I love this punt, but just haven't quite got it down yet. The spin is crazy!
I always enjoy watching J.K. Scott punt the ball away bc of his ridiculous hang time on every punt. Evans looks to be another punter worth keeping your eye on! Shoutout to Pat McAfee.
I was gonna say "is this guy kicking oblong rollers 45 yards consistently? Christ in a canoe" and it looks like that's exactly what he's doing. Christ in a canoe.
Back in the old days, there were some ESPN leagues with punters, if I remember correctly punts inside the 20 were worth .5, inside the 10 were worth 1 point.
Ya well the whole time all we see is he moves over to the right. At least explain what we are looking for and then explain why this is happening. It was just a bunch of kicks and catches.
A Knuckleball moves unpredictably because it DOESN'T have spin. So this punting technique is doing something different, but it isn't "spinning at a high rate like a knuckleball." Specifically because it isn't cutting through the air at an efficient and predictable spiral, it instead is moving in an inefficient manner (thus less yardage) that creates movement punt returners aren't used to @@6ftmouse349
@@JohnDoe-ro1jw Every time I see Rugby and American footballers play together the Rugby guys are always like "wow the hits are so much harder in American football... yet Rugby fans like to say otherwise
Wish the game video showed what’s going on with the ball?! Glad you did man because seeing this punter causing such havoc is hilarious and telling of training of Texans returners! Awesome analysis!
That was my first thought seeing the ball drop, but in the end it's still a deliberately wobbly kick with sideways deviation making it hard to catch, whereas of course in aussie rules we're aiming for the opposite effect because we're passing to a teammate and want them to be able to catch it.
If you drop punt a ball high up (an American Football to be precise) you are going to get that natural curve people are talking about in the comments. Australian Footballs are much rounder in shape hence why they ‘fly’ straighter through the air and they also tend to kick lower and faster making it more ‘pinpoint’ accurate.
In Oz we call that a "drop punt" it's a far more accurate style of kicking vs the spiral punt (we call it a torpedo punt) also way easier to catch or mark it as we say. Not surprised to seeing being used more often now there's more Aussies in punting. It's our natural style of kick practised by all footballers.
Irish guy here, no idea why youtube recommended this to me, never watched American football in my life, but I think what he's doing is called a spiral kick. Rugby players have been doing it since the beginning of time. Have a look into spiral kicks, spiral bombs and spiral Gary Owens in the game of rugby union and you'll find you're answer. Kind of like a knuckleball almost.
It’s kicked at the same angle that Aussie Rules Football players kick their ball. It can be used to pass the ball to another player, position it to land wherever the kicker wants or even cause the ball to move left or right while in flight. Oh, and even to put the ball between the center posts for a goal (6 points, 1 points if it goes between the center and outer posts).
It looks like a spiral bomb. In rugby and league I used to occasionally receive these at fullback and they were 'challenging' to receive to put it lightly but I also used to get to terrorize the opposition with them also as I had that kick in my bag! George Ford and Matt Burton do good tutorials on the technique. It's definitely a fun kick to practice.
As a college punter he is kicking a Curve Ball. Your drop on the foot you can move the ball easily from hash to hash . His hang time is impressive...mine was 4.3 sec
Have a look for video of George Ford kicking spiral bombs in Rugby. This looks very similar to that style of kicking, which makes them way harder to field.
Every punt returner EVER, whether little league or the NFL, has had to make adjustments to punts when the ball is in the air. You make it sound like that is something new or unique...it's not. The hang times, combined with distances in this video are really good.
A right-handed Frisbee thrown for distance backhanded will often behave similarly, first curving right, and then curving left, as the top of the axis of rotation changes from tilting slightly toward the right to tilting increasingly strongly to the left. A boomerang can exhibit a similar effect, depending on the type of boomerang. Longer flight times make such an axis change increasingly strong. The unusually long hang time on the football helped give the football time for its axis of rotation to make a similarly substantial change from a right versus left point of view, making the football hard to catch. Imagine a punter who could kick equally well with either leg, and could with either leg get a punt to last moment make a strong left curve or strong right curve depending on which leg the punter kicked the football with. With towering linemen sometimes blocking the receiver's view of which leg the punter kicked with, there would be some of the time initial doubt on the part of the receiver with regard to which direction the ball would eventually make its final sharp curve, putting the receiver at a slight additional disadvantage. Even now in Australia there might be a gang of 10-year-olds out there somewhere trying out such a thing just for fun. It would be interesting if one or two of them went on to become punters in the NFL.
Most punts spin on only one axis because that's how you maximise distance. Some punts (like these) spin on 2 axis which makes catching the ball more difficult, and other punts spin on all 3 axis which reduces distance but makes catching them difficult. In Australia, these 3 axis spin punts are often called floaters or mongrels.
Looks like a spiral bomb we have in rugby. Big hang time and they gather speed as they fall. The spiraling action makes them quite hard to catch as they move in the air on the way down.
Watch AFL from Australia and see how some of them have shots on goal by bending it by either the way you drop it or from the side of the boot. Punters could aim for the left corner and bend it to the right making the returner chase it sideways.
These punters have realized the perfect spiral punt is no longer valid. Throw up the knuckle ball with long hang times. Much harder for the returner to catch. If the returner is spending more time just trying to catch the ball the less time he has to pick a lane to run through.
I would push back on this notion a bit, the spiral is still the premier ball for distance and hang time optimization and the best way to for sure flip the field, but I think it's time as being the go to punt to hit 90+% of the time in the open field is over as these trick punts begin to integrate further into the league.
@@IsaacPunts There’s definitely no doubt that the punt is a highly specialized kick. Long and deep, corners, back spins, knuckle balls, left side, right side, moon balls… the list is long.
Torpedoes are for distance, backspin for accuracy, bananas for curve, etc. These are all variations on aussie rules football kicking techniques.
The hufflepuff, the durag, eagle bomb, once-y daisy, once-y twice. The no man’s land
How about from a returners view? Oh shit! No NO NO! Oh Imma get cut now! Or I’m creamed now!
You’ve single-handedly made punts mandatory viewing. Sure, I’m not gonna be happy when the Ravens go 3 and out this year, but I’m gonna watch with *rapt* attention when Jordan Stout walks out there.
And you should, I have a feeling Stout will have a break out year this year.
Wouldn’t a punter breakout require a terrible team?
@@ELI_ATL No, many great punters have played on great teams and still stood out. You only need like 2-4 punts a game to really shine.
@@IsaacPunts I’m dumb lol idk what I was thinking
@@ELI_ATL Having a good team as a punter can be good because you are more likely to make midfield punts too, and pinning people deep can be exciting.
In rugby we call it a “spiral bomb” - looks like he’s perfected it 👍
Yeah, George Ford did a class little video on it. It spirals up and then knuckleballs down
@@amcarthur5003 I did NOT read that name correctly.
@@mmp5453 lmao
@@mmp5453SAME! 😂
@@mmp5453I think it’s funny you saw George Ford and thought George Floyd.
OK, so how do we convince the networks to add a new "punt cam" view to their coverage so we can see these balls in flight? 😃
You may be on to something here
@@IsaacPunts Liking and commenting to help you get over 100K subs is a start. 😁
That's actually a great idea and would be pretty cool to see and something "new" to watch out for. Great idea!
Yeah should be easy with drone cams...we have missed watching some insane punts especially the ones that hit objects up in the air in dome stadiums lol
The NFL should be broadcasting from either end zone 100% of the time anyway so we can watch the plays unfold, but that makes too much sense.
Somehow this came up on my list of videos to view. Now because of this I'll never look at punts the same way again! Great analysis
Subscribe you won't regret it. Videos are short, doesn't post a crap ton. Great insight.
It's videos like these that really helped me understand how incredibly complicated and nuanced football really is. This is a great example of how a tiny adjustment to what most people look at and say "he's just kicking the ball to the other team" can turn it into a massive playmaker
@@tinkmaster1054 yup. Even the work each player including the o-line men do, to make a run happen. It all matters. So when a play gets a huge run off, it's a team effort not just a player achievement.
Same here!
I would have never noticed this... nickel done.
I actually noticed this while I was watching the highlights of the game. I mean, I didn't notice it in such detail, but I did think, "huh, Texans are receiving the punt funny." I never would have noticed a detail like this if it weren't for this channel.
@@TV47WOILThis guy obviously 😂 but even then when 3 different punt returners muff a catch, you start to ask questions lol. Like he said you don’t notice in such detail, but it doesn’t look like a traditional return, they look flustered out there.
Maybe it’s the lighting. If the ball is high up going through that you’d lose track of it. 2:08
Congrats. Do you want an award or something???? Who cares
@@JK8u cared enough to comment lol
Its probably the light from stadium. wait for week 2
In high school my son would punt similar and the chaos it caused was like throwing a 40 yard hail mary for his team. 50% of his punts were dropped and or muffed.
Nice. Proud parent moments hahaha
I imagine in highschool a punter could very much win MVP
nice what college did he play for?
We use that kick in Australian AFL football all the time because of how it 'bends' in flight. It's mostly used for kicking at goals from acute angles.
In some States it is called a 'Checkside Punt', while others call it a 'Banana'.
Not effective for distance, but can be kicked very high.
We are the Carlton Blues!
@@CYCO1631😂❤😅
i honestly dont know if this is actually a checkside cause of the way the footage shows it come off the boot, it still seems a bit more like a drop punt but obviously would have to have better angles/vision of it. the checkside lacks distance but it makes up for it in height and if kicked correctly turn a crazy amount which i can imagine causes a lot of confusion for whoever has to sit under it lol.
also ive got no idea who's gonna win finals, seems like any team (but carlton) could have their day
It's used a lot in rugby league, too, when you're kicking away possession on your last tackle. It's done because it's so hard to catch. Also, the potential reward is greater because any fumble forward is a "knock on" which returns possession to the kicking team.
@@darkassassin6457 Agreed, I don't think this is the same, though the kicking action looks similar. I think the different ball shape turns it into something different.
Yep. A lot of people don't understand how important punting & having a killer punter is. All the credit goes to quarterbacks, receivers, running backs, coaching, etc. But punters can change a game.
no offense to punters, but if a punter is the most effective player on the team, something has gone wrong, really, really wrong
@@cyclopsvision6370 They didn't say that, they just said having a killer punter. I grew up in the Ray Guy era so I can relate. A great punter is a weapon most people don't think about.
@@kraig7777 so the days of directional punting, to pin the returner near the sideline to prevent a long punt return are over?
@@kraig7777 Al Davis understood. Guy was one of the most successful first-round picks in history. He was so good he was a rockstar in college.
@@kraig7777Punters don’t win championships bozo
I'm on 0:16 and I can see that bruh is hitting the "back" of the ball is it comes down (as it spiraling vertically down so it'll go super high too) ... that is going to be an absolute NIGHTMARE to catch ...
Listeningvv cf to you describe punting and kicking is so informative. I’ve learned a lot from watching your channel, keep up the great work! All For The Brand!
Thanks for the insightful post. Many Rams fans have been "unimpressed" and are voicing their displeasure with Evans punts this preseason. Mostly the inability to pin opposition inside the 10-15 yd line. I noticed that he seemed to be kicking differently than last year and was also concerned as to why. Increasing the difficulties to field a punt is a GREAT idea. If he learns to hone in the distance control, he would become a game changer. Enjoy your channel.
Indeed I wouldn't complain about not getting opposition pinned inside their 15, if that's balanced by a significant number of punts being dropped for a turnover. Risk v reward.
Whatever happened to old school directional punting, where the punter kicks towards the sideline, so the coverage team could use the sideline as an extra man to prevent a long punt return?
I never gave punters a second though, but now they have my full attention every time they kick. Love the content! I'm pumped to see all your videos this season!
They are getting better and better.
This is the best breakdown of a punters game that I've ever seen.
I grew up around a football family but never felt like the punters got enough appreciation. This fills a little hole in my heart :)
I've always thought of a punt as just a - kick it as far as you can - play. Not any more.
This was really interesting & informative...👍
As a Niner fan I just know we're gonna muff one of these punts vs the Rams
Muffed like Ricky 😢
niners fan, do you know who America's team is? It is not the niners !
It’s THEE PATRIOTS!!
@@richwinds7179not the cowgirls
@@richwinds7179there’s 32 teams of America, so I’m confused on this comment mate.
Ray Guy, 1970s-80s punter for Raiders had 8 sec hangtimes. He would hold the ball until he kicked it, which would be close to the height of his waist & foot would go above his head & left foot would come off the ground several inches. I see now that the new style punting seems way better. Thanks 4 exposing the new concept to me.
Bringing something new to a sport that’s 100 years old is legendary
Isaac - Years ago i had a volleyball serve that opponents did not like. As i was prepping to serve, I'd spot the air nozzle and place that where my hand would hit.
Upon striking the ball, I'd hit the ball so my hand would strike the nozzle.
This technique would cause a knuckle ball effect, like you get in baseball.
I noticed in the early shots that the punter kicked with laces facing him, which meant the laces would cause the same effect.
For those that pay attention to point after kicks, the balls often start circling to the left, then circle back to the right.
This occurs due to the centrifugal forces putting torque on the ball.
Striking a ball on the portion where the ball is not smooth, exaggerates the effect.
That's how Yamaguchi made his mark on the way to winning the inter-high.
That's called a floater serve, and you don't have to hit the nozzle...you just have to hit with no spin and it moves like crazy and is difficult to return. But yeah, a killer serve even at the high levels.
@@scooter73-i2yeah I was going to comment it just has to do with little to no spin I was a knuckleball pitcher back when I used to pitch back in little league. Mainly 3 finger fastball, changeup, and knuckle ball until I learned how to throw sliders and curves consistently.
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That’s a float serve
A Ball travelling from shadow to sun and then back into shadow also does not help matters.
Seems like a very stupid design to the stadium.
@@jimmyjamm4432 The stadium is in Houston, a city that was just hit by a hurricane. The roof was damaged and has yet to be fixed because you can't exactly find stadium roof paneling at home depot
@@jimmyjamm4432 The roof was broken, hurricane damage.
@@Maxgasimus Thanks! Wasn't aware of that.
@@Maxgasimus Nothing is built well in Texas
This is wonderful. Nice work! The hang time plus the unfamiliar spin is what makes it work. It’s a distant cousin of Frank Beamer popularizing the use of left-footed punters.
Great video, punting is evolving more than almost any other aspect of the game!!
Thank you for pointing out the nuances of punting that I've missed over the years
Love that my punter Ethan Evan’s getting the love! Rams baby🐏💙💛
Your channel is awesome man it’s made me appreciate and understand special teams so much more over the last couple years
Look at the way he holds the bowl before dropping it into his kick. I've never seen a punter do it like that, and I'm thinking that's gotta be how he gets the kick to be so squirrely, but still have good hang time and accuracy.
Went to HS in surry county and saw this guy kick some BOMBS in person. We knew he was special back then. Glad to see him in the league now 🤙
This is the kind of quality content I subbed to this channel for. Happy 2024 NFL season, Isaac. Hope your baby girl is doing well 😊
This just gave me an idea, keep in mind as you read this I am not a punter and that I am more involved with baseball than football.
There is a pitch in baseball known as the knuckleball I pitched thrown with intentionally no spin and moves in some really weird ways that batters cannot predict. What does this have to do with a punt? Well, here's my idea.
I know that a punt is kicked in such a way so that it has a lot of spin on the ball so it flies as far as possible. So what if you took away that spin? Sure, the ball would not fly quite as far, but you never would be able to predict how it would fly in the air.
Just an idea though and if anyone knows more about this than me please feel free to comment on how I'm dumb.
I feel like this only really applies in baseball & soccer because of the ball shape, I don't think you could do that and get reasonable distance with it with an NFL or even a rugby ball because of the pointed ends which would cause unwanted drag and start to cause spin, you've also got the laces on an NFL ball to worry about as well.
Cool concept and it'd be sick if somebody could pull it off but I think the benefits you'd get from wanting it to knuckle would be out done by the distance you'd get from it and it being even harder to replicate than a knuckleball in soccer so I don't think it'd get used. I think best consistent use case scenario would be that it would end up being a shorter, more unpredictable punt with the goal of getting it to bounce further down field/out of bounds/back into your gunners but it'd be a massive coin flip still.
These guys really have kept punting relevant these days. Big fan of these videos, shows more to it than just kicking a ball. An it can be a weapon when you drop one in the returner cant catch. Like a free deep pass right there.
1:55 the sun was in his eyes on that one so idk if that was part of the problem
No it wasn’t, the sun was behind him. Watch it again numb nuts
Sun was behind him look at the shadows
among other positions, but as a former high school punter you literally have made punting more enjoyable for the casual and hardcore fan. Love the channel
Just pausing at 1:10 to say that based on the number of punts i just heard about it in one game STL not an offensive powerhouse right lmao
The Rams haven’t been in STL since 2015… It’s the LA Rams
This is a preseason game
Don't disgrace my city like that. We don't have a team that is run by corrupt pos rich terrible humans
@@burns3012 just shows how irrelevant they are 😂
@@lemonsqweezy9532 They've won a Super Bowl that they hosted as "LA" lmao
I am an old F’er and this punter has either watched old tapes of Mike Bragg, Ray Guy, and other punters from the ‘70’s who first started specializing with punts that had tons of hang time and moved around in the air erratically on there decent.
This isn't inventing a new punt, but it is perfecting an existing technique and using it really well.
So good it looks new
🤓☝️
@@Etdiederich Ehhh that's not really a nerd moment.
What's the hang time here? And what's the average across all punt variations?
Mitch Wishnowsky been perfecting this for years
Great video! Came across it randomly but now I will actually enjoy watching punts in the game, thank you :)
bro the lights flashing behind the split screen at 0:35 is actually going to make me have an epileptic attack and I don't have epilepsy. Cool video, editing was a bit much.
Holy shit, I've been inadvertently trying out this punt, I was just trying out new holds and this was one 😂 I love this punt, but just haven't quite got it down yet. The spin is crazy!
That is one hell of a punt…reminds me of some baseball pitchers with cutters.
Forkball/Split Finger
Thanks. This put a whole new aspect of the game front and center for me.
Hope I don't see it too often, but I've been loving Tory Taylor so far! Legitamately excited to see him play as needed.
Leg-jitamately, you say? 😉
I always enjoy watching J.K. Scott punt the ball away bc of his ridiculous hang time on every punt. Evans looks to be another punter worth keeping your eye on! Shoutout to Pat McAfee.
I was gonna say "is this guy kicking oblong rollers 45 yards consistently? Christ in a canoe" and it looks like that's exactly what he's doing. Christ in a canoe.
Patty Mac is gonna love this guy. Rams will win games because of this alone. Absolute weapon!
Interesting take. You always blame the returner for failing but never give credit to kicker for succeeding. I never knew kicking could be so technical
He just gave the kicker credit, he concluded with, "keep giving them hell Ethan."
The "you" in his comment was rhetorical.
I can't believe I'm amazed at how accurate this is. I guess you learn a lot about one thing If you focus on one thing.
punters in fantasy football would be epic!
Back in the old days, there were some ESPN leagues with punters, if I remember correctly punts inside the 20 were worth .5, inside the 10 were worth 1 point.
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I have not watched a football game in over forty years, but the UA-cam algorithm put this video up as a suggestion for me. It was interesting!
If there is one thing I can say about Isaac, its that this man clearly punts. This is the kind of niche UA-cam expert I love.
Looks like the knuckle ball of punting. Will be fun to follow!
The punting game is in Logan Cookes world and we're all just punting in it.
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The knuckleball is BAACK!!😮
2:50 for you to finally get to the point of the video.
He did say he was giving us a chance to figure out what his point was first
Meh it’s a 3 min video brah
It's called putting things in context, and obviously showing us the examples.
Worst attention span ever 😂
Ya well the whole time all we see is he moves over to the right. At least explain what we are looking for and then explain why this is happening. It was just a bunch of kicks and catches.
The algorithm DEMANDED i see this. it's been no 2 or 3 suggested over all my subs for a week. You did something.
You did everything but actually explain the punt. Dude. Just, tell us what he's doin'.
It’s a knuckle ball. He’s spinning the ball at an angle at high speeds so it’s curves both directions randomly.
A Knuckleball moves unpredictably because it DOESN'T have spin. So this punting technique is doing something different, but it isn't "spinning at a high rate like a knuckleball."
Specifically because it isn't cutting through the air at an efficient and predictable spiral, it instead is moving in an inefficient manner (thus less yardage) that creates movement punt returners aren't used to @@6ftmouse349
Fr, garbage video, disliked and pressed “not interested” to avoid channel for next time.
This video reminded me networks used to have a timer for hang time for punts. I miss that
Is he the punter equivalent of a knuckleball pitcher?
Yea
Smart af! Why hasn't thought of this before. Punters gonna be OP now
They did in Rugby.
Ah! Rugby. That was a great try they scored there
"invented a new punt" 😂 please
@@JohnDoe-ro1jw Every time I see Rugby and American footballers play together the Rugby guys are always like "wow the hits are so much harder in American football... yet Rugby fans like to say otherwise
@@JohnDoe-ro1jw This punt was done in the NFL decades ago. Rugby fans are insuferable
Wish the game video showed what’s going on with the ball?! Glad you did man because seeing this punter causing such havoc is hilarious and telling of training of Texans returners! Awesome analysis!
by the number of punts you were able to feature from one game, I'm happy they have a great punter. Looks like LA is going to need him.
Makes me happy to see that the Rams had to punt that many times in a game. Hope it continues.
Dude punting like this is Madden back in the day 💪🏿
The drop punt you can thank us Aussie's for that 😊
Been doing this over in Europe for 8+ years. Soccer and Rugby background, love punting!
Not new and I'd be pi$$ed if my team was punting 9 times.
Super analysis in addition to observation!
Looks like a normal Australian “drop punt” from the AFL with the back spin technique. Good to see it being introduced in the NFL
That was my first thought seeing the ball drop, but in the end it's still a deliberately wobbly kick with sideways deviation making it hard to catch, whereas of course in aussie rules we're aiming for the opposite effect because we're passing to a teammate and want them to be able to catch it.
If you drop punt a ball high up (an American Football to be precise) you are going to get that natural curve people are talking about in the comments. Australian Footballs are much rounder in shape hence why they ‘fly’ straighter through the air and they also tend to kick lower and faster making it more ‘pinpoint’ accurate.
Looks to me like a mongrel punt but on purpose and done well lol
It’s a spiral bomb. Used in Rugby League regularly
It was done in the NFL decades ago... you guys didn't "introducce" it. The video uploader just doesn't know his football history
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Love the channel brother God bless
In Oz we call that a "drop punt" it's a far more accurate style of kicking vs the spiral punt (we call it a torpedo punt) also way easier to catch or mark it as we say. Not surprised to seeing being used more often now there's more Aussies in punting. It's our natural style of kick practised by all footballers.
Irish guy here, no idea why youtube recommended this to me, never watched American football in my life, but I think what he's doing is called a spiral kick. Rugby players have been doing it since the beginning of time. Have a look into spiral kicks, spiral bombs and spiral Gary Owens in the game of rugby union and you'll find you're answer. Kind of like a knuckleball almost.
The unspoken arts of the Punt. Thanks Isaac
Thank you for this! Stoked about Ethan Evans!
That's an AFL kicking style. Glad to see some influence from the AFL in the NFL!
I'm not a sports fan but you managed to make this interesting and I could follow it.
It’s kicked at the same angle that Aussie Rules Football players kick their ball. It can be used to pass the ball to another player, position it to land wherever the kicker wants or even cause the ball to move left or right while in flight. Oh, and even to put the ball between the center posts for a goal (6 points, 1 points if it goes between the center and outer posts).
It looks like a spiral bomb. In rugby and league I used to occasionally receive these at fullback and they were 'challenging' to receive to put it lightly but I also used to get to terrorize the opposition with them also as I had that kick in my bag! George Ford and Matt Burton do good tutorials on the technique. It's definitely a fun kick to practice.
Thanks for giving us a reason to watch punts
As a college punter he is kicking a Curve Ball. Your drop on the foot you can move the ball easily from hash to hash . His hang time is impressive...mine was 4.3 sec
Brilliant analysis. As usual, IP.
As someone named Ethan, that last line felt pretty darn good 😆
Have a look for video of George Ford kicking spiral bombs in Rugby. This looks very similar to that style of kicking, which makes them way harder to field.
Every punt returner EVER, whether little league or the NFL, has had to make adjustments to punts when the ball is in the air. You make it sound like that is something new or unique...it's not.
The hang times, combined with distances in this video are really good.
Isaac Punts, Your videos always make me happy, so I subscribed!
Ooooo. Yes punts are hard. Thanks for the video telling us what we know.
Thank you for your high-quality comment.
A right-handed Frisbee thrown for distance backhanded will often behave similarly, first curving right, and then curving left, as the top of the axis of rotation changes from tilting slightly toward the right to tilting increasingly strongly to the left. A boomerang can exhibit a similar effect, depending on the type of boomerang. Longer flight times make such an axis change increasingly strong.
The unusually long hang time on the football helped give the football time for its axis of rotation to make a similarly substantial change from a right versus left point of view, making the football hard to catch.
Imagine a punter who could kick equally well with either leg, and could with either leg get a punt to last moment make a strong left curve or strong right curve depending on which leg the punter kicked the football with. With towering linemen sometimes blocking the receiver's view of which leg the punter kicked with, there would be some of the time initial doubt on the part of the receiver with regard to which direction the ball would eventually make its final sharp curve, putting the receiver at a slight additional disadvantage.
Even now in Australia there might be a gang of 10-year-olds out there somewhere trying out such a thing just for fun. It would be interesting if one or two of them went on to become punters in the NFL.
The seahwaks punter Michael Dixon is another absolutely insane punter. These guys are getting so specialized.
Most punts spin on only one axis because that's how you maximise distance. Some punts (like these) spin on 2 axis which makes catching the ball more difficult, and other punts spin on all 3 axis which reduces distance but makes catching them difficult. In Australia, these 3 axis spin punts are often called floaters or mongrels.
what a punt connoisseur!! details details
Good analysis. Learned something.
Would have even notice this. Amazing video
Love your channel. Ethan Evans is awesome. The rest of the Rams special teams last season was not so great. Don’t blame Evans for their play.
I've never noticed the recurve punt before, I'm a bit more impressed with punters now 👍
It doesn’t look broken to me. Looks like it’s working great.
Looks like a spiral bomb we have in rugby. Big hang time and they gather speed as they fall. The spiraling action makes them quite hard to catch as they move in the air on the way down.
Watch AFL from Australia and see how some of them have shots on goal by bending it by either the way you drop it or from the side of the boot. Punters could aim for the left corner and bend it to the right making the returner chase it sideways.
Great! more Australians coming to American to take jobs. No more immigrants!
The sunlight through the dome could be why they have to re-adjust.
my fantasy league has punters, just scooped him up. thanks for the vid