working on getting better at not spending hours on these videos that are supposed to be "minimum effort", so no music and no fancy editing in this one. i didnt even add a graphic with the video im referring to in there, but it's this one: ua-cam.com/video/YAOk80SGRsk/v-deo.html
My favorite example of this has to be JSchlatt having his team create a bot to ban all members of his twitch channel who had screen names referencing DSMP (a notoriously toxic minecraft fandom). Then he went live and laughed maniacally at what he dubbed "The Purge". Just watching thousands of annoying folks get kicked. It was gloriously unhinged.
One day I commented on a German YT video, using mainly German but also some anglicisms that are widely known, understood and colloquially used. Some Dude replied to my comment like "Can't you just speak German", fully ignoring the actual content of the comment. I told him that I couldn't. In French.
going back to the 'stunk' example: i think this is especially true when it comes to language!! and how some viewers feel weirdly intellectually entitled to the english language, and feel like an "erm actually 🤓☝" comment is a final say in a 'debate' they weren't even invited to participate in.
Literally yesterday was saying that if, when people did or said something online that was hurtful, a chorus of sane people called them out and challenged their being able to just spout hate wherever they wanted, then the internet could actually be used for real everyday good. (People against people being hurtful to other people, rise up! We ride at dawn!)
And like, not being hurtful in return, but calling out and calling in to be better, do better. Ya know? (Edit - not that I’m even sure we’ve figured out how to do that yet, but what if when someone was inappropriately cruel instead of getting whatever attention/effect they wanted they just had masses of people being like, “not cool my fellow human, being cruel is not a good look for you” Human kindness is a constant work in progress I guess?)
Itgink it's fair to remind them that they're sad litle people, and that only sad little people would agree with them. They're not cool, they're not right. At most, they're just bully, and pointing and laughing at them to take any power they think they have may be the best way to fight them.
I think the thing about hateful comments also is like those people that just try to troll you or upset you for some reason because they get a kick out of it it's like they are really spending their time doing that let them know that they're just wasting time
tldr: my take on how using second person can make people more likely to take things personally. this is my very half-baked opinion so, what i'm gonna say kinda sounds dumb. it's not super related, your video just reminded me of it. it's the way my anxiety decides to act up, when people use second person to tell a specific group that they're doing something bad. and it's like a split second thing bc someone says "you", then i remind myself that the statement isn't necessarily directed at me. it's like when a person is waving to someone behind you, but you reflexively wave back before looking behind you to see who the wave was for. this is long winded and probably doesn't make a ton of sense. it's just an interesting phenomenon. also more related to the video, i think people on the internet need to learn to recognize this. i've personally been trying to get better at this bc with anxiety you gotta question your gut reactions a lot idk. like, i've seen many instances of people getting defensive and/or offended by something that isn't for them (or sometimes it /is/ directed at them, and they need to do some thinking on that, rather than immediately lash out). idk if that's a hot take?
I recommend you look into British comedian Joe lycett he has a whole thing about calling out horrible people for doing horrible things and he does it with such charm and charisma it's beautiful to watch.
Advocating for shame/attacking people for being immature or meanspirited doesn't solve the problem, in my opinion. In the example you gave of pinning a comment, while not necessarily an abuse of power, it does come off as very immature. People aren't likely to change their behavior or opinion when they're being attacked. If you show kindness and compassion towards those people, or at the very least don't aggravate them, I think that's far more likely to get them to reflect on their actions. Doesn't mean you should permit hate speech or things that are actively harmful towards others, but if someone's being immature or a dick, they'll only double-down on thinking they're right if people start harassing them. Something else to note: as you gain 'power' through having a larger audience of people who like your stuff and want to impress you, you might end up inciting others to do things you really wouldn't intend, ex, doxxing or death threats towards people who left mean comments (who may just be edgy kids). So just be careful about how you go about that kind of thing.
I spend a good amount of time on twitch channels where saying something completely unhinged/deliberately offensive is a bannable offense and I think that plays a big role in making the chat feel more like a community space, and less like a void that people just shout things into. (One of those channels, the streamer will occasionally pause, curious as to why someone got banned by a mod, and it's always something stupid when she looks up the comment that got them banned like the first-time commenter said something like "who the fuck is this, you're disgusting." She was so disappointed once by the lack of creativity, I remember her exact words, "that's it? At least call me a slur!" which I think is hilarious but maybe that's just me.) Anyway yeah, I understand the desire to call people out. I think silence can often be enabling the behavior, or encouraging to others who might see the comments and go "oh ok that person said this vile thing, now I can make my own gross comment." People creating things online have the right to moderate and curate the space that they operate in.
Gonna have to respectfully disagree. I mean, in the instance Austin's video, he isn't just shaming someone, but using it as a catalyst for another educational and entertaining video, and using the comment as a bit. It's clever and it's fun, and calling out that person was nevee the goal, merelt a tangental part of the video. But "shaming" these strange little men who post random hurtful things - in an online culture where all social media we use feeds on conteversy, gives them the attention they seek and encourages them to continue. Turning the other cheek doesn't give them permission to keep acting that way, it stops feeding the fire they so desperately want and teaches them they're wasting their time. You say normal people just click away when they see a video they don't like, I'd take it a step further to say it's normal to just click away when you see a comment you don't like. A random "screw you, you suck" has absolutely no weight to it, I can't imagine possibly considering using my time to stoop to their level for no reason. It does me more harm than them.
the whole time i was watching your voice recording. each cut you could see a couple seconds passing etc. but could always see where you last cut. would be funny to see a continuous shot style video, whether you get it perfect in one shot unedited or just to see bloopers. maybe that’s considered to be lazy? idk, but you don’t normally see that on youtube these days. anyways, enjoyed the rant!
believe me, it wouldnt be fun. as is evident on the waveforms, most of what i cut out is just me falling completely silent for 5-25 seconds while blankly staring into nothing between each sentence. it's what happens when i dont have a script
I know this is not the point of the video but can I just say... I really liked that austin mcconnel video as well! I'd love to watch some of the videos you like. It is fascinating to see what content the youtubers I enjoy watching, enjoys watching. But yeah I find that the amount of energy it takes for me to express negativity online isn't worth it. I hardly ever dislike youtube videos even. and people who do take the time and energy to make that comment, I can't help but wonder what they get out of it.
Love the dreamy blurry look, bold creative choice. But I do agree with you, folk should be punished. Maybe the person who left a nasty comment doesn't usually do that, maybe they had a bad day. But being called out will let them know "Oh shit I was an asshole". Sure some people will not care but I bet most would do better.
I was just thinking about this yesterday, after reading a comment thread pinned on your M Night Shamalamadingdong video on your main channel that genuinely surprised me with how quickly it devolved into pedantic, toxic bickering. To be clear, I don't feel like pinning a disagreeing comment, in itself, is toxic (though it certainly can be a way to farm engagement), because the person commenting, as you said in this video, chose, unprompted, to comment, in the first place. Also, importantly, they can just delete their original comment and I assume the thread would go with it, if they are feeling at all harassed or bullied. That said, please don't pin this comment. Far too often, I find that reading comments (pretty much anywhere on social media) is a mistake - I lose a little bit of hope for humanity. And replying just becomes inviting that toxicity into one's notifications. It was just wierd seeing how quickly people attack each other, being way too personally invested and hiding behind the 'anonymity' of the Internet.
my favourite way to deal with rude comments is to clown on them by pinning their comment like Well There's Your Problem Podcast(a podcast with slides about engineering disasters) does.
I like this approach. personally i only like to pin funny rude comments though, cause i dont wanna seem as if im trying to highlight myself as a victim or anything. i just wanna highlight when people say funny weird shit.
I have been a real jerk to a lot of people online, probably ruined a lot of ppl's days, many of whom I am sure I would ironically instantly like if I met them in person under different circumstances. As detestable as some thought they had was to me, I wasted my time and energy and theirs. Maybe I just complained about everything at least once and ran out of poison. It is hard to replace the addiction to arguing, I think it was my way of accessing emotion. Much better to do it the hard way, by putting consideration into those close to you.
Actually Jeff, I have to disagree. I feel like the ultimate fxck you is the silent treatment, showing that some people's words aren't worth your time and that you hold yourself in such high regard. You've got to learn to love yourself... Although, it does feel good to call out people on their absolute bullshit and being a total toss pot. There is no reason to be spreading hate.
working on getting better at not spending hours on these videos that are supposed to be "minimum effort", so no music and no fancy editing in this one. i didnt even add a graphic with the video im referring to in there, but it's this one:
ua-cam.com/video/YAOk80SGRsk/v-deo.html
My favorite example of this has to be JSchlatt having his team create a bot to ban all members of his twitch channel who had screen names referencing DSMP (a notoriously toxic minecraft fandom). Then he went live and laughed maniacally at what he dubbed "The Purge". Just watching thousands of annoying folks get kicked. It was gloriously unhinged.
I love the idea of calling people who leave mean comments "little strange little person"
I will use this in my daily vocabulary now
thank you jeff
One day I commented on a German YT video, using mainly German but also some anglicisms that are widely known, understood and colloquially used.
Some Dude replied to my comment like "Can't you just speak German", fully ignoring the actual content of the comment.
I told him that I couldn't.
In French.
going back to the 'stunk' example: i think this is especially true when it comes to language!! and how some viewers feel weirdly intellectually entitled to the english language, and feel like an "erm actually 🤓☝" comment is a final say in a 'debate' they weren't even invited to participate in.
I missed the link to the stunk response video the first time around and that man is my hero. My petty king. 👑
Literally yesterday was saying that if, when people did or said something online that was hurtful, a chorus of sane people called them out and challenged their being able to just spout hate wherever they wanted, then the internet could actually be used for real everyday good. (People against people being hurtful to other people, rise up! We ride at dawn!)
And like, not being hurtful in return, but calling out and calling in to be better, do better. Ya know? (Edit - not that I’m even sure we’ve figured out how to do that yet, but what if when someone was inappropriately cruel instead of getting whatever attention/effect they wanted they just had masses of people being like, “not cool my fellow human, being cruel is not a good look for you” Human kindness is a constant work in progress I guess?)
Itgink it's fair to remind them that they're sad litle people, and that only sad little people would agree with them.
They're not cool, they're not right. At most, they're just bully, and pointing and laughing at them to take any power they think they have may be the best way to fight them.
I think the thing about hateful comments also is like those people that just try to troll you or upset you for some reason because they get a kick out of it it's like they are really spending their time doing that let them know that they're just wasting time
I love these more personal "thoughts and opinions" videos.
tldr: my take on how using second person can make people more likely to take things personally. this is my very half-baked opinion
so, what i'm gonna say kinda sounds dumb. it's not super related, your video just reminded me of it.
it's the way my anxiety decides to act up, when people use second person to tell a specific group that they're doing something bad. and it's like a split second thing bc someone says "you", then i remind myself that the statement isn't necessarily directed at me.
it's like when a person is waving to someone behind you, but you reflexively wave back before looking behind you to see who the wave was for.
this is long winded and probably doesn't make a ton of sense. it's just an interesting phenomenon.
also more related to the video, i think people on the internet need to learn to recognize this. i've personally been trying to get better at this bc with anxiety you gotta question your gut reactions a lot idk. like, i've seen many instances of people getting defensive and/or offended by something that isn't for them (or sometimes it /is/ directed at them, and they need to do some thinking on that, rather than immediately lash out).
idk if that's a hot take?
I recommend you look into British comedian Joe lycett he has a whole thing about calling out horrible people for doing horrible things and he does it with such charm and charisma it's beautiful to watch.
Advocating for shame/attacking people for being immature or meanspirited doesn't solve the problem, in my opinion. In the example you gave of pinning a comment, while not necessarily an abuse of power, it does come off as very immature.
People aren't likely to change their behavior or opinion when they're being attacked. If you show kindness and compassion towards those people, or at the very least don't aggravate them, I think that's far more likely to get them to reflect on their actions. Doesn't mean you should permit hate speech or things that are actively harmful towards others, but if someone's being immature or a dick, they'll only double-down on thinking they're right if people start harassing them.
Something else to note: as you gain 'power' through having a larger audience of people who like your stuff and want to impress you, you might end up inciting others to do things you really wouldn't intend, ex, doxxing or death threats towards people who left mean comments (who may just be edgy kids). So just be careful about how you go about that kind of thing.
I spend a good amount of time on twitch channels where saying something completely unhinged/deliberately offensive is a bannable offense and I think that plays a big role in making the chat feel more like a community space, and less like a void that people just shout things into.
(One of those channels, the streamer will occasionally pause, curious as to why someone got banned by a mod, and it's always something stupid when she looks up the comment that got them banned like the first-time commenter said something like "who the fuck is this, you're disgusting." She was so disappointed once by the lack of creativity, I remember her exact words, "that's it? At least call me a slur!" which I think is hilarious but maybe that's just me.)
Anyway yeah, I understand the desire to call people out. I think silence can often be enabling the behavior, or encouraging to others who might see the comments and go "oh ok that person said this vile thing, now I can make my own gross comment." People creating things online have the right to moderate and curate the space that they operate in.
Gonna have to respectfully disagree.
I mean, in the instance Austin's video, he isn't just shaming someone, but using it as a catalyst for another educational and entertaining video, and using the comment as a bit. It's clever and it's fun, and calling out that person was nevee the goal, merelt a tangental part of the video. But "shaming" these strange little men who post random hurtful things - in an online culture where all social media we use feeds on conteversy, gives them the attention they seek and encourages them to continue.
Turning the other cheek doesn't give them permission to keep acting that way, it stops feeding the fire they so desperately want and teaches them they're wasting their time.
You say normal people just click away when they see a video they don't like, I'd take it a step further to say it's normal to just click away when you see a comment you don't like. A random "screw you, you suck" has absolutely no weight to it, I can't imagine possibly considering using my time to stoop to their level for no reason. It does me more harm than them.
Thank you Jeff, very cool!
the whole time i was watching your voice recording. each cut you could see a couple seconds passing etc. but could always see where you last cut. would be funny to see a continuous shot style video, whether you get it perfect in one shot unedited or just to see bloopers. maybe that’s considered to be lazy? idk, but you don’t normally see that on youtube these days.
anyways, enjoyed the rant!
believe me, it wouldnt be fun. as is evident on the waveforms, most of what i cut out is just me falling completely silent for 5-25 seconds while blankly staring into nothing between each sentence. it's what happens when i dont have a script
@@extrajeff I would totally be down for an ExtraJeff Uncomfortable Silence Compilation
Good take! 👍
I know this is not the point of the video but can I just say... I really liked that austin mcconnel video as well!
I'd love to watch some of the videos you like. It is fascinating to see what content the youtubers I enjoy watching, enjoys watching.
But yeah I find that the amount of energy it takes for me to express negativity online isn't worth it. I hardly ever dislike youtube videos even. and people who do take the time and energy to make that comment, I can't help but wonder what they get out of it.
Omg this is so fucking funny
Love the dreamy blurry look, bold creative choice. But I do agree with you, folk should be punished. Maybe the person who left a nasty comment doesn't usually do that, maybe they had a bad day. But being called out will let them know "Oh shit I was an asshole". Sure some people will not care but I bet most would do better.
I was just thinking about this yesterday, after reading a comment thread pinned on your M Night Shamalamadingdong video on your main channel that genuinely surprised me with how quickly it devolved into pedantic, toxic bickering.
To be clear, I don't feel like pinning a disagreeing comment, in itself, is toxic (though it certainly can be a way to farm engagement), because the person commenting, as you said in this video, chose, unprompted, to comment, in the first place. Also, importantly, they can just delete their original comment and I assume the thread would go with it, if they are feeling at all harassed or bullied.
That said, please don't pin this comment. Far too often, I find that reading comments (pretty much anywhere on social media) is a mistake - I lose a little bit of hope for humanity. And replying just becomes inviting that toxicity into one's notifications. It was just wierd seeing how quickly people attack each other, being way too personally invested and hiding behind the 'anonymity' of the Internet.
Oh yeah?!?! NO U!!
😁😁😁😆
my favourite way to deal with rude comments is to clown on them by pinning their comment like Well There's Your Problem Podcast(a podcast with slides about engineering disasters) does.
I like this approach. personally i only like to pin funny rude comments though, cause i dont wanna seem as if im trying to highlight myself as a victim or anything. i just wanna highlight when people say funny weird shit.
I have been a real jerk to a lot of people online, probably ruined a lot of ppl's days, many of whom I am sure I would ironically instantly like if I met them in person under different circumstances. As detestable as some thought they had was to me, I wasted my time and energy and theirs. Maybe I just complained about everything at least once and ran out of poison. It is hard to replace the addiction to arguing, I think it was my way of accessing emotion. Much better to do it the hard way, by putting consideration into those close to you.
First!!!! Love your content! 😊
Actually Jeff, I have to disagree. I feel like the ultimate fxck you is the silent treatment, showing that some people's words aren't worth your time and that you hold yourself in such high regard. You've got to learn to love yourself...
Although, it does feel good to call out people on their absolute bullshit and being a total toss pot. There is no reason to be spreading hate.