Ball Turrets - In The Movies
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- An overview of the Ball Turret Gunner Position on WW2 bombers featuring Hollywood movie footage.
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Movies featured:
Shadow in the Cloud 2020
Unbroken 2014
Red Tails 2012
Fortress 2012
Star Wars Episode II 2002
Memphis Belle 1990
Heavy Metal 1981
Tora! Tora! Tora! 1970
World of Warplanes (Video Game)
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My father in law was a ball turret gunner in a B-24 flying out of Italy. He flew 25 missions. One mission over Germany flak took out an engine and ruptured fuel lines. The Captain gave the order to bail out and he discovered his harness did not match the chute he brought so they flew on and crash landed at a British fighter base in Italy, thanks to the flight engineer. He was the last living member of his crew and passed away in 2020 at 95. RIP.
Very cool my uncle who turned 100 not to long ago installed the weapon system on b24s maybe he helped install your father in laws ball turret lol
:)
RIP, at least he lived a long life while serving in an event which changed the course of history
Rest in Honor
lmao i love how on every single one of these videos, there are at least 8 dudes claiming their grandpa/father/uncle was exactly what the video is talking about and had a crazy unbelievable story
Fun fact: the turret controls for the turret were reversed. Move the sticks right to go left. Move the sicks left to go right. Move the sticks back to elevate. Move the sticks forward to depress. The triggers were not reverse; Right gun to right trigger, left gun to left trigger. The left foot operated the gunsight ranging. The right foot activated the intercom mic. Due to the K4 computing gunsight, the ball turret was actually rather effective, with kill to encounter ratios as high as 57%. Captured Interceptor pilots indicated that they preferred to engage B-17s and B-14 from high instead of low to prevent from being killed by the ball turrets.
well to be fair....most people wouldn't call the turret controls "reversed", it's just the way a gunner would use a machine gun.
@@vasopel That is an excellent point.
@@vasopel never thought of that. Thank for pointing out. To make it this way, does it easier for operators to operate? And does it easier to produce?
@@vasopel I remember someone that plays video games inverted told me this. He said imagine if the joystick was behind the players head.
This makes total sense, I played fps games "inverted" because I saw myself turning. I moved myself, not the control or character. Think of this but don't move the ball, move YOU at the back of the ball. smart
I recently talked to a veteran who served in a B-17 ball turret. Scariest experience of his life. How he managed to fit in it at 6 feet tall I do not know. Just another reason why I'm highly grateful for our veterans. 🇺🇸
Interesting. I thought that only shorter men could fit in the ball turret.
@@bigblue6917 so did I at first I didn't believe it but was pretty slender I think that might be why he managed to fit
I remember being a teenager going to a air museum and being allowed to crawl into a ball turret by the veteran who was manning the exhibit. I was 6ft at the time, to say the least I received a cramp almost immediately upon entering and was quite uncomfortable the entire time I was inside. I ended up falling out onto the ground in order to exit.
My uncle would rotate out from tail gunner to ball turret gunner. He made 25 bombing runs on Germany. He was a little guy at age 19. Before he died I never could have imagined a man his size to be able to fit in the turret.
In high school had to read a pome about the ball gunner it was quite gruesome . I have heard of a place you can use a ball turret in Nevada
my great grandpa was a bubble gunner! he got shot down twice (and made it back both times). he didn't talk too much about it, but he did tell me that the rotating part of the bubble would get stuck at times which freaked him out, and he also talked about the sound and experience of rounds hitting the bubble directly. he said it was basically a loud SPLAT sound and that the combination of the material being strong and the distance from the shooter meant the rounds wouldn't penetrate the bubble, but it also freaked him out to have a round stop inches from his face. most of his stuff from WWII was destroyed after he died, but i have one of his manuals from when he was going to school in the army for aviation. He was an amazing artist, and he hand drew a massive portrait of his wife that covered the back of the book. i've also got his e tool that he carried, and his M1911A1. the e tool looks brand new because i don't think ever needed to dig anything with it for the most part.
he also never talked about specific missions, but i know he flew over germany and he did tell me he "probably killed nazis" during the war so i don't know exactly what he saw or did. he was a really intense guy, and did not bat an eye at violence. when he came back after the war ended he immediately started working as a collector for a bookie and he also became a master machinist. he was quite the guy. he died while taking a dump at 87 years old, which is a pretty good way to go i think
One last push and off to heaven you go.👍
People who don’t talk about the war usually had a horrid experience or two.
Make sense, you don’t have to relive the experience ever again.
Respect. 🇬🇧⚔️🇺🇲
@@nimay13
First question you tend to get asked when strangers find out you're a veteran is either "have you ever killed anyone?" and "is it like it is in the movies?"
Such foolishness, along with the memories you're trying to suppress, is why you just smile and nod while they ramble on...
That was a roller coaster of a story man!
There is an episode from the Amazing Stories (1985 TV series) - "The Mission" - which should have gotten a place in this clip. It's about a cartoonist locked inside his jammed Sperry Turret who finds a most marvellous way to save himself from his predicament.
Directed by Steven Spielberg and Starring Kevin Costner as the pilot
@@thundergod111 A true star ensemble.
I was hoping to see clips of this episode in this video.
That was the only episode I remembered clearly from the series since I was into WW2 stuff back then. I don't remember any other episodes.
@@dareka9425 Yeah, that was the only one TV episode which even touched the Sperry hazard.
I was a crew serve gunner in Iraq in a gun truck for multiple tours. Gunners have it rough, it's even rougher when they are 50-Cal gunners, as when combat starts, everyone is shooting at the biggest gun doing the most damage first. Like all gunners, life expectancy is short while in combat. I was going to write more, but a lot of memories come flooding back. Great video trooper. Hooah.
Much respect my man. Thanks for sharing that.
Thank you for your service
respect dude hope you are well
I rode with the gun trucks in viet,,,all ordance built on the scene,,,mixed in with tanker convoys,,amazing we got out of that place,,the old ma deuce,,also with the navy on gunboats for a while,,,,there was the old 50 again,,
Memphis Belle is my favorite bomber movie. I hope Masters of the Air will be an awesome addition to great cinematography for those who flew the most dangerous missions in WWII. I also got to look inside the B-17 from the Mighty 8th Air Force years ago before it crashed and exploded in Rhode Island a couple years ago.
mine too. "shadow in the clouds" with Chloe moretz (and a gremlin like creature) got it super wrong.
Give 12 O'Clock High a try.
Memphis belle was okay but so many mistakes and inaccuracies to it
@@MattKearneyFan1 each to their own, IMO. I've seen it quite a few times, have to look it up for errors. nobody's perfect.
@@ebee-uz1oz it would have been better had they not altered the last target and the name of the crew
For those intrested, WWII US Bombers channel on YT has very accurate information regarding WW2 US bombers & their defenses. The ball turret was incredibly important, not a highly survivable position & had the second most kills against luftwaffe aircraft.
The "WWII US Bombers" channel is very informative! I've been watching it a lot recently to research a story I'm writing that's set on a B-17 on a mission over Europe towards the end of the War.
I wonder if that statistic changes between Germany and Japanese fronts. Because the Germans I believed favor attacking from below but Japanese favored climbing high then swooping down on bombers.
@@AngelA-mk5ty This is indeed correct. The channel is very dedicated and has uncovered many info the past years wich eluded the internet for long.
Some people claimed the bombers were invurnable= they were not
Some people claim the defensive guns on american & british bombers were useless= they were certainly not
I am sure we will see more info in the future.
Attacking from below means exchanging speed for altitude which makes the German a sitting duck.
@@aquarius5719 Though, there's no turret at the bottom that would actually be a decent blind spot for ambush attack.
I think it was the Amazing Stories tv show that had an episode about a damaged B-17 and its crew who could not get the gunner out of the ball turret.
That's right! Sadly I couldn't find a quality copy...
I remember seeing that as kid. It still gives me that claustrophobic feeling thinking about being trapped in there.
I think I heard that one. Pilot ended up belly landing the plane with Ball Turret Gunner in it(?)
@@kollow same here
@@TrickiVicBB71 No,the ball turret Gunner was a cartoonist and drew the plane with big cartoon landing gear. He went into a trance and those gear appeared, after he was saved they disappeared and the plane collapsed crushing the turret.
Thumbs up for all these interesting topics! And the rare B-32!
My uncle was a ball turret gunner in a B-24 flying out of Italy. Completed 17 missions, 18th they crash landed in Switzerland and he "spent a few months learning to ski".
His biggest fear at the time was that he might throw up in his oxygen mask and have it freeze, leading to asphyxiation. More afraid of that than flak and fighters.
Those veterans were so brave to get in that thing even. Once trained to the opposing force of where to shoot at the bombers, that ball turret was a literal target. Theres a song or poem about ball turret gunners that recalls talks about washing the mess of a corpse out of ball with a hose.
It's titled ( death of the ball turret gunner )
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Of course the best representation of the ball turret gunner and the hazards of that position was in Steven Spielberg's episode 'The Mission' in the Amazing Stories television Anthology series.
I scrolled down to find this comment before I mentioned😊👍
Yes. That episode came to mind. 💪👍👍
In real life, they had to crush a ball turret man to death to belly land a B17.
That's the first thing that comes to my mind. Good call.
@@randybaumery5090only if they couldn’t get him out, which usually didn’t occur.
The Star Wars LAAT is one of the prettiest goddamn scifi ships ever made. Somehow it hits the right balance of futuristic and ancient.
Gotta have some extra-large sized balls to be a ball gunner
I don’t think they would fit…
Balls made of steel.
@@garfieldsmith332 You need them. As armor, because the Ball Turret only has armor on your back. It will only protect your a$$.
I think its scary to be the tail gunner. "All eyes on you"
@@robertd7073 "Tail End Charlie". I managed to crawl thru a B-17 at an airshow. The tail ginner was just as cramped as the ball turret gunner. Both of them shoe horned into their positions and vey little chance of getting out if the plane was hit. Even the opening to the bombardier's compartment was a tight sneeze. All of these men who served on a B-17
had balls of steel. We owe them a lot for what they did; as we do to all the brave men who served and fought the Axis powers.
Johnny -
"From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose."
The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
- RANDALL JARRELL
Thanks for adding this 🙏
it's a beautiful yet somber poem
I’m irrationally happy that ‘Heavy Metal’ was included. The ‘B-17’ segment is vastly underrated.
Yeah. I laughed when I saw that. If it fits. Went and saw HM 6 times back then.
Definitely the best part of the movie by a quite wide margin
Another perfect example of a ball turret gunner in media is the Steven Spielberg series Amazing Stories, S1, Episode 5 “The Mission.” Starring a very young Kevin Costner, Keifer Sutherland and Casey Siemazko.
Came here to leave the same comment.
Years ago I got to talk to Wilber at the Chino CA planes of fame museum. Wilber was a B17 belly gunner during the war. Fascinating guy and a wealth of knowledge. Humble and generous as I remember. Maybe someone out there remembers Wilber.
Oh yea, our tour guide said that at their company parties all the ladies just loved Wilber. He never lacked for a dance partner.
My father was a Ball Turret Gunner on a B17G. Macons Bacon. He never really talked about it much. The thing is he did his tour then re-upped for a second tour. He did over 50 missions before the war ended. I don't think I could have done it. I'm too claustrophobic for that little Turret.
He was a brave man. Most bomber crews were sweating bullets just to get through the mandatory 25 missions before they could be rotated stateside. Many didn’t get that far at all. To do 25 missions then volunteer for another 25 was to spit in the Devil’s eye. I’m surprised they didn’t have him committed to an insane asylum for doing so. He must’ve volunteered when they were really hurting for warm bodies.
these were something out of a different century, and they still make me uneasy and anxious
Hi Johnny, the ball turrrets of B-24 Liberators could be retracted into the fuselage. Heaven help the B-17s ball turret gunner in the event of this aircraft having to belly land!
Ball turret gunners got out of them for take offs and landings. What was dangerous about the position was that they couldn't wear a parachute. So if the bomber went out of control or broke up, its unlikely that they would be able to get out and put one on.
Hey, could you do a "behind the scenes" video where you show how you work on these videos? I am genuinely curious on how you find/record all these clips from old movies to video games...
The most impressive part of being a gunner in a formation of bombers would be not shooting down all the other bombers in your group. Especially in the fog of war while freaking out in a tiny space.
While I'm sure there are examples of crew gunners accidentally hitting their companion bombers (especially once a formation had been somewhat broken up by flak, fighters or weather), gunners received training to avoid this. Moreover, that brought bombers down wasn't so much machine gun fire but HE autocannon fire and flak. Bombers are much more heavily built than fighter aircraft and a few stray "friendly" FMJ rounds from a .50 BMG would not be sufficient to bring one down. It would have to have been intentionally directed at vulnerable parts of the aircraft such as the cockpit and the like. Nope, not a likely thing at all.
@@chuckschillingvideos Bombers aren't really more heavily built. Still just sheet aluminum over thin ribs and spars. The aircraft designers had to balance airframe weight with useful load (bombs, fuel, crew).
In some ways a bigger airframe can take more of a beating, but in many more ways its actually MORE fragile than a smaller aircraft.
the Tie fighter was just a ball turret with solar panels
Check "The Mission", the 5th short episode of Amazing Stories that spots on B-17 ball turret gun and its gunner. Ep. directed by Steven Spielberg!
This video deserves precisely its fair share of recognition.
Congratulations!
There was an episode Spielbergs of "Amazing Stories" about a ball turret Gunner trapped in the turret. Surprised not to see it mentioned.
Yep! Good catch. Bomber ended up landing on a cartoon landing gear, saving the ball turret gunner.
One of my coworkers great-grandfathers was apparently a ball gunner.
Actor Eric Stoltz the red haired radio operator from "The Memphis Belle" (1990) also played a good role in "Code name Emerald" (1985) as an Overlord US officer. Too bad we don't hear much about it these days.
Any recent film with Chloë Grace Moretz in it is OK in my book!
"Amazing Stories" The Mission (TV Episode 1985) with Kevin Costner
Yes, crazy episode, cartoony !
*enters dorsal turret of B17
"Splendid, now that our dorsal gunner has so graciously decided to join us, we can do the weapons check. Sound off."
"Left waist, all set!"
"Right waist ready!"
*"Ball turret......bloody uncomfortable!"*
"I believe he's sitting cross-legged, hoping not to get them blown off!"
(CoD United Offensive - Mission 5)
My Grandfather (RIP) was a B-24J turret gunner with the 459th Bomb Group based out of Italy (Coffee Tower) who survived 32 missions - I have his Air Service Medal with a silver oak leaf cluster.
2:06 I'm GLaD you included that scene from Heavy Metal. That segment, alone, would make for a great video game! Or its own movie.
4:30 'Gremlins' meets the 'B-17' segment of Heavy Metal. That means someone else must have thought what I thought, but focusing on the belly gunner instead of the pilot being stranded on an island of zombies.
My late grandpa used to tell me stories of how he jumped down into the compartment of the ball turret. I was 11-12 I think. He shared such stories, with tears, as I slept.
He also shared of times when he saw Merry Poppins flying down into Brussels as his plane flew past her. He said he really did. Now, 30, I figured he was high on meds and cracking things up back then.
Just a few facts i wanna point out here. Ball turret gunners were typically about 5foot 10 or shorter. This made it somewhat more comfortable. Next the B-24 could and often did fully retract the turret for takeoff and landing. The mechanics of it were extremely robust. Only on the B-17 did it not retract ( this owing to the original pre war design of the Fortress which did not have either a ball turret or a tail gun. ) The B-17 acquired the ball turret at the same time it added a tail gunner position. The B-24 was actually more dangerous then the B-17 owing to its Davis wing and wing located fuel tanks being particularly vulnerable ( the burning gas would either explode the plane or melt the main spar both ending in destruction). Ball turret gunners if they could stand it often did wear chutes in the turret as it was easier to rotate the turret into a position to open the hatch to fall out. In many cases emergency hand hydraulic pumps saved turret gunners. Lastly the B-29s remote turret system often didn’t work and in the field it was difficult to service the computing gunsight. Frequently the gunners would aim right at a Japanese fighter only to have a wonky calculation system miss it completely. ( the parallax was usually off ). The other problem would be the system malfunctioning. This would cause the turrets to go 90 degrees vertical and rotate 70 degrees while expending the entire ammunition load on nothing but air. This was never fully worked out and most B-29s went into combat with only the tail gun ( was claimed removal of the defensive guns was due to lack of fighters and the need to pack more bombs). The other problem was if the remote turret guns jammed there was no way to physically clear them in flight ( why fighters used multiple guns in case one jammed )
My dad was 5 ft 3-and a ball turret gunner ETO. I have no idea how many missions he flew? but was credited with 2-3 partial shootdowns.
I am 6ft 200lbs and can fit in the Sperry ball turret of B-17. I think I could have carried a waist chute in there, but probably not for a whole mission.
Spherical type Altazimuth mount gun turret is the technical name of a ''ball turret''.
Ole Rømer a Danish astronomer invented the Altazimuth mount in the late 17th century that was for mounting telescopes ever since!
Ole was a clever Dane that even Danes don't give enough credit.
Ha my man Arni giving me facts I never even considered looking up 🙏
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq What we Engineers do.
We are the fabled keepers of musty writings & technical drawings from our predecessors!
Great works deserve to be remembered is all.
See you next video johnny.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq
Surprised you didn't mention TIE fighters being designed directly from Sperry turrets, or the use of almost the same in Oblivion.
He got less than credit than he deserved and also less than his fair share. The worst of both worlds!
@@thomasjoyce7910 He still got some credit as he did get a satellite named after hm that never launched & was once on a Danish note for some time.
A moon crater was named after him, but the vast majority of his recognition-honours was after his death!
Next to the tail gunner, it was as said, very dangerous. These things are insane. You sit with your knees to your ears and shoot the gun between your legs. Wild.
The most dangerous positions were the waist gunners who were essentially manning exposed open windows with no armor protection outside of the flak jackets they wore.
Second worse for casualty rates were the bombadier whose position was in the exposed plexiglass nose cone which placed him directly into the path of the German's preferred attack route. It wasn't until very late in the B-17F's production run that the remote control chin turret that became synonymous with the B-17G as standard did the bombardier get adequate protection.
Up until then the crews would jury rig what ever guns they could fit in the nose so they could defend themselves. The twin fifties in Memphis Belle's nose at the USAF Museum in Dayton are a good example of this.
I remember that mission in Medal of Honor. Two of the player's crewmen manning these turrets were shot later on and the player have to juggle between 3 of these stations to protect the bomber, though the bomber will inevitably shot down in a Fission Mailed event.
@@rps215 this was CoD United offensive.
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
-Randall Jarell-
Oooooh! Missed one.
"The War Lover" (1962) with Steve McQueen as Captain Buzz Rickson, has a father-son relationship with his ball turret gunner "Junior" Sailen, who "wants to live." Great action sequences of Junior defending the B-17G "The Body" until hit by cannon fire from Bf-109Gs. Great use of vintage combat footage mixed in with the movies use of three real B-17Gs. A good scene before one of the missions is Junior asking Buzz if he could stay behind and "watch the house."
Surprised you missed it.
0:49 "Typically operated by small man" Samwise Gamgee entering in Memphis Belle's ball turret.
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Cool you added HEAVY METAL on this ...i havent thought about that movie in years
Star Wars movies! Isn't it obvious! Turret handling scenes!
Thank you for putting the movie Memphis Belle in here, such an iconic movie of my childhood
The reality was that despite the false reputation, the ball turret was the safest part of the aircraft.
Furthermore, B-17s when badly damaged would jettison the Ball turret in order to reduce weight and drag.
That's right statically not a horrible place to be. Just a horrible place to be.
The Turret was actually quite strong, as was the support structure around that part of the airframe. Doing a wheels up landing with it down on the B-17 risked breaking the aircraft's fuselage in half.
Post-war figures showed that the ball turret gunners suffered fewer casualties than any other gun position, strange as that may seem. Still took cojones of steel though....
I’m surprised that you didn’t have any scenes from, The War Lover, it had some good moments with the Ball Turret gunner.
You certainly didn't carry a spare tire on your waist if you had to crawl into the ball. Statistics are all over the place regarding the mortality rate of manning them. I wish I was allowed to climb in the turret when I toured two of these babies at Oshkosh. Was always fascinated with their design.
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Imagine having motion sickness and claustrophobia and then you're assigned to the ball turret
My father was a ball turret gunner in TBF and TBM torpedo planes in WWII in the Pacific. He was in all but 3 of the major battles. He flew off of CVL 24 USS Belleau Wood
There was a story i heard: A B-17 was landing in [England]. It had battle damaged that prevented the wheels from lowering (or blown away).
Either way, the crew could not get the ball turret in the right direction to get the gunner out.
They had to belly land. And everyone rused to help the gunner. He didn't make it
(Sorry for weird grammar, English IS my first language)
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner by Randall Jarrell
Except the Me-262 there is tales of Airmen not being able to keep up with how fast they were, the turrets could handle prop driven aircraft but the very late war German jets game them a serious challenge.
Are there any actual instances of unfortunate ball turret gunners being stucked when the plane does an emergency gear-up landing?
Yeah, there's even famous video of one such event...
Catch 22 (the series with George Clooney and Hugh Laurie) has some cool ball turret scenes (I think) definitely lots of bomber action. Quite a fun watch.
You forgot the story "The Mission" staring Kevin Costner from the Amazing Stories anthology TV series in the 1980s where a ball turret gunner gets stuck.
Sadly I couldn't find a good copy... I did really want to add that.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq just glad you remembered it too
Actually the ball turret was not the worst position to be in a WWII bomber, the worst position was the Tail gunner because that's where the enemy fighters would be and the silencing the tail gun would be their first objective. Plus, on many airplanes (like early British bombers) there access was as isolated and the crewman was essentially on his own
Any bomber crew member deserves our respects. Any one who was a ball turret gunner deserved every medal they had. Climbing into a ball turret knowing that the enemy knows you have no protection against the Germans cannons, firing AP and explosive shells, and that if anything happens there is a good possibility you would not get out. Not sure how they measured is but life expectancy for a ball turret gunner was supposed to be just 37 seconds and some six out of ten would not survive. One B-17 was so badly damage and it had to get back on just one engine. To lighten the load as much as possible the jettisoned the ball turret, minus the gunner. They managed to get home.
2:55 That segment from Heavy Metal always bothers me as there’s no way in hell both Boley and Nelson’s zombie would both fit in there
I've seen one on display in a military museum, it's so small I don't even think you could fit a hobbit in them.
Ball turrets in video games: The best place to be, can actually shoot back, rack up kills, not like that boring pilot role.
Ball turrets in real life: boring, cold, claustrophobic, hope you don't have a fear of heights, have no control over where your plane is going, no armor, you wish you were the pilot.
Couldn't agree more.
Being trapped inside of a ball turret during a belly landing might be one of the worst ways to die in WWII
LAAT/I ball turrets make no sense. I mean YOU GOT COMPUTERS AND DROIDS?!
There was a TV show from The 1980s called Amazing stories, they had an episode called The Mission and it was about a B17 crew doing a mission during WW2 and the The ball Turret Gunner was stuck in there. It was an awesome episode.
I messed up not adding that. Really have to re-make this video.
In 2009 I had a conversation with a WW2 vet. We were outside one of the few airworthy B-17's (Aluminum Overcast) that had landed at the local airport. He had been a ball turret gunner in Europe and later was a gunner on a B-29. The main thing I remember is that he said that the ball turret was designed to be detached if they needed to lighten the airplane, something I had not read in any book about the B-17, nor mentioned anywhere that I had heard of before or since.
Yes it was.... but not for that reason. I Wonder if it was not in case of crash landing and if thé gunner couldnt go back to thé plane.....
Getting stuck in the ball turret is a myth perpetuated by Rooney and Spielberg
It's simply astounding that so many of these videos do not know this. As you most likely know, turrets were ejected, usually over the channel, before a belly landing was attempted. Belly landing on a ball turret would hump and break the air frame in half, thus likely killing all onboard. Gunners were never crushed.
Somehow I knew that Heavy Metal 1981 would make an appearance. I would also suggest Amazing Stories 1985 S1.E5 The Mission. Starring a shockingly young Kevin Costner and Kiefer Sutherland. "A courageous young World War II gunner and aspiring cartoonist, trapped in the belly gun, (ball turret) of a B-17 aircraft with the landing gear destroyed, has only his imagination as a force that might be able to save him."
There were suggestions early Lancaster or other British bombers experimented with ball turrets. But they were deemed unnecessary and didnt make it past early prototypes, despite there being a readily available supply of them. Its also been said some Lanacasters had remote controlled belly guns as well.
The Australian movie with Chloe Grace Moretz in it was 💩
It is fantasy horror war, with a bad script. Soundtrack with Kate Bush.
Thank god I would’ve been too tall. God bless these courageous men who sat in these for hours on end.
Not only American bombers had such shitty gunner positions. My dad had a coworker in the 1980s who was a gunner on a Junkers Ju-86 of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WW2. Once over the Eastern front, his turret was blown away, and he ended up dangling on his straps from a hole on the fuselage over the icy abyss for almost an hour. "I shat myself", he recalled. "I mean, literally."
Yes! Heavy metal!
You often see photos of B17s dropping their bomb load with the ball turret facing down. I often wonder if the crew man took the opportunity of the bomb run to get out as fighters would let condensed AA take over attacking the bombers.
That is very possible.
Bet they used every opportunity they got to get out of the ball and stretch during a mission.
Love your content mate!
You sound like Vlad tv so much it’s bugging me out 🤣🙌🏼
Great work fella, love from the uk!
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Esses sim eram homens de coragem!
Shadow in the Clouds was a missed opportunity.
Gremlins laying siege to a Flying Fortress™️ is a great concept but they fucked it with a stupid subplot.
My great grandfather was crew in one of these turrets during WW2, part time protecting London and later part time bombing Germans. Worth to note this was in RAF,. Can't remember what fighter he was in?
Love your videos! Me and my friend yesterday were talking about the a 6 intruder as you were making that video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks man I appreciate the feedback :)
"That guy had blue eyes" - Rascal
"And your mother, too!!!" - Rascal
Shadow in the Cloud was really good. Until she free climbed the plane! Yeah. Than I was out.
Another movie where the ball turret there is in THE WAR LOVER with Steve McQuinn
The Sperry ball turret does have an armored seat as part of the back plate, it's just so short it only covers your cheeks and the top of your thighs. The gunners legs would be between the receivers of the two Browning for a little more protection. But from straight ahead, behind, or the sides of the turret you've got nothing. The turret itself is just thin aircraft metal, the back plate is facing down since you sit on your back and is mainly for flak so unless you're pointing down the back of the turret is unarmored. And I belive the glass is just Plexiglass and unarmored.
So if Flaks bursting to the sides instead of below, or a plane is strafing and hits the turret you've basically got no protection except for the 2 .50's.
The channel WWII US Bombers covers a lot of this and other aspects of the planes.
Thanks for adding this 🙏
Dont waste your time watching Shadow in the cloud. Trust me, spend your time doing something else.
Excuse my Australian but 'yeh nah hard pass' translation 'no expletive deleted way' . Fun in a computer game though
I know you've seen them all but can have an Australian war movie compilation ? The charge in the Light Horseman is my personal favourite scene
Big fan of Aussie history. I'll do more in the future. I did the Owen gun pretty recently.
Entertainment trivia: in 1985 NBC started the series "Amazing Stories" and one of the episodes, titled "The Mission" centered on a ball turret gunner in a B17. That episode was directed by Steven Spielberg and featured young stars Kevin Costner and Kiefer Sutherland among others. The story had an interesting ending.
That was one of my favorite episodes of that show.
The most popular movies you see Sperry ball turrets in are in Star Wars. You might recognize them as Tie Fighters ;)
There were a few 6 foot tall ball gunners we met over the years. The gunner didn’t get into the ball until they got to a certain area and got out prior to landing.
My great grandfather was a ball turret gunner on the b24 in ww2. Although dangerous as hell, he called it the best seat in the house
To quote Chech and Chong: Honorable Commander Sir Are you out of you effing mind!
Being both short and claustrophobic, I’m glad I missed out this era.
i love your videos keep up the good work 👍
Little known fact but the dimensions of the ball turret itself is based off the size of the balls of ball turret gunners themselves.
Chloe Grace Moritz is actually claustrophobic and the ball turret used in Shadow in the Cloud is actually slightly bigger than a real one. Not only for her claustrophobia, but to allow a camera rig to fit inside to film her closeups.
Star wars millineum Falcon
There was an episode of Amazing Stories that had a B-17 BTG trapped in his turret and the landing gear shot out. He was a cartoonist, so he drew landing gear on the window of his turret and then went into a trance. When he was in the trance, the gear he drew materialized and the plane landed safely. Kevin Costner played the pilot.
Screw that good thing I'd have been too big to fit in one lol Memphis Belle is a fantastic movie
Chloe Moretz? That's enough of a reason to see any movie, sold!
let's see, i was short, fit, and flexible and closed in spaces didn't bother me and i'd no fear of heights when it comes to absurd distances like in an aircraft. SO BACK THEN I'D NOT HAVE GONE INTO THE US ARMY AIR CORPS. VIETNAM, i'd have been screwed. here's a flashlight, a knife and a .38, check out that tunnel, Runt.
Tunnel Rats were not beginners & they were not short. A .38 was far from ideal - too loud & too much flash.
A lot of military stock footage have bombers coming back with wheels up landings with the ball turret gunner stuck inside of it and when they landed right on top of him and there last words were i like serving with you guys in this unit and tell my family i love them all and letters from his unit going out to the us army airforce car as well from the base commander as well
This never happened
There is a show called suicide mission ball turret gunners