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5.56 out of barrels this short just feel like a waste of gunpowder, but I love the idea of having it in 5.7, especially if it were to be paired with a .22 suppressor rated for 5.7.
Short barrels are fun. When you have a guzillion Ar15’s in various barrel lengths it’s inevitable you will want a shorty, because why not. If you only had one ar then I can understand your argument. But some people have dozens or more.
CMMGs are so good, I've never had one that felt awkward or wasn't fun to shoot, I don't think I've ever even had a failure out of mine and I bought the cheapest one! Damn fine company.
I must say, this is one of the more appealing pdw's as of late, I like that its very much familiar to the ar-15 method of controls. and probably a ton of parts compatiblity. I would 100% go for .300 blk though. 5.56 is kinda ridiculous from such a short barrel. but other wise, its really cool! if only i had $2k!
@@thndr_5468 srsly? im not sure if your trolling or just actually dont know. 5.56 is primarily dependent on velocity( yes there are a few specialized rounds that do better with lower velocities), so shooting 5.56 out of a super short, say 5.5 or even 7.5" barrel is less than ideal. .300 blk is much less dependent on velocity for energy as it has anywhere from 2-4 times the mass.
Given the AR was designed as a rifle to shoot at rifle ranges with rifle velocities... im not sure what you mean. Do want a rifle or a PDW? Do you think ARs shouldn't be made as a rifle anymore, as in you want less velocity and less accuracy out of the bullet?
No other buffer tube less /buffer-less design has even come close to the reliability, especially considering across barrels from 24” down to 7.5” It’s a pretty awesome system
@@stephen_crumley The market just needs to create a better ecosystem of support for non-buffer AR's. If an AK can do it then there should be no reason an AR should have trouble. Most of these issues can be solved with an adjustable gas system, not even involving the recoil system.
If ammo cost wasnt a thing I think this platform shines brightest in the 5.7 configuration. Just rip rounds no problem with minimal recoil and potentially have a can on it. Would be tons of fun and practical at the same time for what it is
I caught a DBX57 in grey for $800, pretty similar to this Dissent. Once you get rid of the buffer tube, there is no going back. All my ARs seem primitive now... LoL
This is awesome! Seeing several manufacturers proving that "bufferless direct impingement" is actually a thing and you don't need a piston system to make it happen, cause too many people seem to think this.
put a Streamlight TLR-9 on the top of the rail right where your thumb will hit the switch. since the red dot is so high up, you can look directly over the WML without it obstructing your view, while keeping the footprint of the gun as slim as possible.
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What gets me is that we *had* this two freakin' decades ago with the ZM Weapons LR-300 and Para even tried to make it happen when they licensed it as the TTR. Time is a flat circle and now we've got this and the PSA Jakl and who knows what else for foldy, bufferless AR-ish platforms. It was before the advent of the pistol brace and a few years before the AWB expired though, so once they could finally sell them, they were stuck with 16" barrels, no market existed when the product needed one and they couldn't price it low enough.
@@alllopez63 does the banshee have the helical delayed bolt? From what I understand, simple blowback 10mm is a tad harsh, unnecessarily, but a helical delayed action would be far more pleasant.
Can we get an update on frangible after adjusting the adjustable gas block that comes standard on the dissent? Appreciate it Chris. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Can we get a reliability follow up? Starting to see some issues with some of them here and there, primarily the 7.62 but still would like to see a reliability update, hopefully its not far back on the list for 1,000 reviews 😅
I don't know where any Walmart sells 5.56 or .223 ammo. I have three Walmarts fairly close to me, ( two under 30 minutes, one 45 minutes away) and none of them sell ammo in any caliber except .22 LR or 12 gauge shotgun shells. In fact, the associate told me all other ammo is essentially banned for sale by the corporate office. No 9mm, 38/.357, .380 or deer calibers are in the stores. Forget AR 15 or AK platform ammo....they refuse to stock it.
That's a great design. I definitely don't get 5.56 option, but that thing will be great in .300 blackout. Anything less than 10.5" in 5.56 is mostly a waste of time other than a fun range toy.
I assure you that if all I had was frangible for lunch, and the evil attacker is hungry, well, it's chow time! The trigger manipulation looks perfect. Even though my hearing is severely damaged, I just don't know how I would handle the range time; however, for shtf-time, it'll work CQ just fine! I'm wondering if the slight weight from the extended brace helped cycle the lighter rounds when you held it out unsupported, you think? Thanks for the great review, and I think your wife really enjoyed shooting it Chris...... I hope you're feeling better.
Looks like the brace can only folds left. Folds right would block the ejection port so you have to replace the folding brace for righties in order to use a sling.
As much as I love 10mm .300blk hits harder with supersonic loads and the subsonic bullets for .300blk are easier to find an are much more ballistically superior in reaching out up to and past 100yds. So while I got a 10mm XDM OSP and love it I have more .300blk pdw’s simply because they’re harder hitting and easier to suppress with my .30 cans.
The Banshee!? I have one in 10mm and it’s a little clunky, but that trigger tech two stage would help, and I do love a side charger. Will keep my eyes on this platform. In 300 blk this would rival the DD PDW because of the side folding and the adjustable gas block.
Reminds me BRN-180s or MCX, mini-SCAR, or B&T style recoil spring setup. ...but direct impingement on a 5" barrel? No piston? Huge improvement for CMMG Glad to see they have a updated and modern handguard now
Sig did the twin springs behind the bolt on their full auto 556 series. I t worked for a couple years then the reverted back to the dual forward spring setup. Looks good to me. Git Bit.
It's a Sig Sauer Rattler with a 5.56 barrel (I use both my 300BO and 5.56 barrel) The one different thing on the Dissent is that the charging handle. Nice firearm!
Yep I’m going to be that guy…$2K is coming in right with the other upper end piston driven firearms. I’ll stick with my MCX or Rattler. The real question is, how does it suppress? Surely this guy needs some more selling points.
At $2000 for the Dissent, some folks might want a cheaper alternative. That could be the Brownells BRN-180. It costs about half to put together a shortie BRN-180 on a decent lower. Plus, you get a real live piston. So while I love CMMG's stuff, they might be on the verge of pricing themselves out of the market. Just my opinion . . .
Not really when compared with the HB, Dirt Squirrel or Noveske GB..I’ve owned all 3 except for the Dirt Sq, and I love my CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm w Glock mags. I had more issues with the H. Badger than the other 2. So price wise w the aforementioned weapons CMMG may be a bargain although I never shot the Dissent.
Hope you fill batter, I just got the 5.7x28 and I just love it and I all so got the Fastic origin 12 shotgun!! You should do a review on that. The shotgun is amazing!!!!
Similar to a BRN-180S but with about 4 inches less barrel. I've looked at the dissent but they're hard to find and crowding 1800 for just the gun. That SBA brace is about 250 now if you can find one. I have the BRN-180S in 5.56 and 300BO with that brace. The compact size and removable brace are just the thing in this pre-civil war 2.0 era.
I have a similar 7 inch 300blk under construction. Traditional charging handle but it is a bufferless system and depending on the weight of the bcg (final piece I am waiting on) it will be just over 3lbs, 49 or 50 ounces. The goal was to be as light and compact as possible with a 7 inch barrel
An 11.5” 556 barrel is plenty potent beyond 150 yards. It’s more like a 300 yard gun with 11.5” barrel. And that’s not MY opinion, that’s the research out of crane. Taking multiple classes from professionals you learn this stuff pretty quick.
Seems like the way guns run with Cmmg when it come to their guns being loud. Bought one of their .308 rifles back in August. Definitely hella loud! But it's become my favorite gun in my inventory to shoot. Will definitely be a return customer.
unpopular opinion: 223 out of this gun 55g is hitting 2200fps still enough to exceed the stretch capacity of tissue, which experts point to rifle calibers having much greater wounding capabilities than pistol calibers. note: 300 blk 110g gets 1800fps on this rifle, so that would mean, 223 has better terminal ballistics in this barrel than 300 blk I’m missing something?
Always been a fan of CMMG, and I feel like his was built for me and what I want. Always been looking for a BACK PACK GUN and boom here we are. Love your videos and was waiting for this when I seen your #shorts
Any chance you'll be doing some videos with the CMMG 300 Resolute? I'm debating on getting it for the Radial system but would love to see someone throughly review it. Seems like the Banshee & Dissent have gotten more shine.
My extar stock trigger is one of my favorite triggers out of all my weapons. It’s already at the wall and then pop. For a stock trigger on the extar a 450$ gun it’s top top notch.
This would be kool in like a 45 Auto, or 10MM. Or even a .50AE...Personally I don't like rifle calibers with barrels shorter than 10". If its between this or like a POF-USA Renegade+ Pistol, I'd take the Renegade+. Its about as lightweight, has crazy ergos, and nice system upgrades, but still takes all standard AR parts. Its super easy to handle, and is dead accurate with nice velocity and effective range. Anything similar is just as good, like the Geissle Super Duty Pistol.
A .300blk version is the best way to go for sure, I’m waiting on my pre order to come in myself, I got a 10mm XDM OSP and love the best mm, but .300blk is the better choice both with subs and supersonic rounds. More ammo availability and they hit harder. For a pdw .300blk > 10mm now for a handgun of course 10mm > 9mm. Real excited to get my own Dissent hopefully soon, they said day one when I placed the pre order in June that they’d ship in September…looks like they’ve had some set backs.
Unpopular opinion: Barrels that short would be better in stout pistol calibres - Chamber that design in 7.5 FK and you have an extra 2-3 inches of barrel for the same OAL, far less blast even without a muzzle device, and it'll penetrate IIIA ...and you can use FK Pistol mags
Can you review the CMMG Dessent 9mm line that just came out? Maybe the GS, or all three of them, or the line in general? Maybe compare to the banshee or talk about improvements over the banshee that they made.?.
Funny saw this in my email this morning then come on here and see you made a video that quick lol only difference one I seen was 5.7x28 hope you feel better
I wish CMMG would bring this out in 10mm even better 7.5 MM, I WOULD BUY BOTH, FK BRNO HAS 7.5 WITH JUST A QUICK BARREL CHANGE TO 10MM USING SAME MAGAZINE LOVE IT
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Almost bought a Banshee a while back in 9mm. That short barrel is fine for a PCC, but that seems too short for 5.56. How much wasted energy gets lost with a huge fireball? 5.7 seems interesting though.
I was friends with the Arlington County, Virginia Commonwealth Attorney and from discussions with her the difficulty justifying a citizen involved shooting starts to increase dramatically past 10 yards. About the only situation where you justify even a 25 yard shot is an active shooter event. Where PDWs make the most sense is home defense.
Depending on the state and whether or not ppl are trespassing on your property, the legality is pretty easy to justify. Arlington County isn’t known for its generous land lots. Drive an hour south from there.
@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 Unless someone presents a deadly threat you will go for shooting in Virginia and every other State. If someone is a football field away and not shooting at you the use of deadly force is not justified.
@@nickloven6728 Never said it wasn't. The context is self defense in the normal course of life. The only realistic place for a PDW in normal times is home defense. Chris is does great reviews but I would be cautious about taking advice on self defense law from him.
I think I’d go for the 5.7 if someone made me take one. Too short for 556 and the 300BO is just disappointing compared to 7.62x39 which will do subsonic and 300 yd work with a mag change. Oh and can that brace be moved up or down on that mounting rail? Would be nice to drop it down and mount the red dot low for more intuitive pointing, especially since it’s a CQB gat. Keep up the good work 👍
Not having a dust cover might be a problem in that I picture this platform being used as a truck/bug-out/home defence gun, where it is mostly just sitting around in vehicles or the home collecting dust and other detritus. Having said that, I was trying to get a good still-frame when you were showing off the pistol, and from what I could see, it appears the BCG pretty much occluded the ejection port. Maybe, if an operator was concerned, a bit of masking tape with a piece of paper so it doesn’t stick to the BCG, but tears when the pistol fires would ’fix’ the problem. I desperately need one in 300BO.
@@skoolynugenator1802 well, for some, the concern would be that when ‘stored’ in a place of easy access in an emergency, it is exposed to the detritus of modern life in the vehicle, home or wherever. This could affect the weapon and impede it’s operation.
@@skoolynugenator1802 the bolt does not completely occlude the ejection port, dust and grit could enter, and the resulting mixture with the gun lube could gum up the action. Personally, I think it’s a very unlikely scenario, but we all know the ‘belt and braces’ types.
I don't really get excited about a gun but I really like this one... I'm also not one that likes 300 Blackout all that much but this gun is begging for it especially once paired with my Dead Air Nomad TI. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
FM products just came out with a similar operating system just last year. They don’t offer it in as such of a short package or in .300BLK or 5.7FN. I wonder how they compare.
Foxtrot Mike does have a gun similar to this in a longer barrel and probably costs less than this CMMG, great gun though and recoil doesn't seem that bad with it.
I think Foxtrot Mike's version of this similar design sits in the price range of $700 to $1000, so that's quite a difference in price to the CMMG version.. I'm not trying to say the CMMG is a bad gun, it probably isn't, but $2000 for the CMMG Dissent, that better be worth it by adding something extra to it.
@@roscoep4850 What is this based on? FM has a lifetime warranty on all products. "Foxtrot Mike Products is known for our lifetime warranty on all our products. In the event that our customers have any of our products fail, FM Products will replace those parts at no cost to you"
@@turbografx16 I have heard FM's customer service is pretty good if you have any problems. Anyway I just thought of Foxtrot Mike's newest AR-15 type rifle that has some similiarity to CMMG's version after seeing the video and thought I should share.. I think this might be the way AR's are going to go instead of large springs and large bolt carrier.
It’s funny to see how many people don’t like the idea of a 6.5” 5.56 but then will turn around and talk about how cool a 5.7 would be, when they’re almost the same size bullet and the 5.56 is still faster from what info I can find online. If it was full auto then I could see 5.7 being cool because maybe it’d be a little more controllable but I don’t think I can pull a semi auto trigger fast enough for that to matter personally, at least at the ranges this was intended for. I’d still take 300blk over both though tbh
I suppose that it's probably a bit late for this question. Is there a chance that we will get a 1000 round review for this gun? I like the gun, but I'm concerned about it's reliability.
Provided our paper money is actually worth anything. That shit scares me concerning my own personal reserves. Esp if something really goes down. Hard goods themselves will be worth more than money.
300 blackout would be the ideal cartridge for this. As you mentioned, 5.56 is terrible out of a short barrel like that. 5.7 would be fun but id rather have the 300blk which would be a better self defense round around the house or cqb
My dad has an old Hi-Point 995 and is thinking about getting the Hi Tower Armory bull pup conversion kit. Other videos on UA-cam are saying it’s a viable option but I’d really like to get your opinion on this affordable option.
I'm actually most interested in the 5.7mm... being that 300 blackout is ballistically bad, and 5.56 has some cons out of a short barrel like that. 5.7 seems like the ideal round for this.
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The 300blk version seems like the sweet spot.. I think it comes with an adjustable gas block. Subs, suppressor, folded stock. Love is in the air.
That's what I'm considering getting.
I’ve seen 125gr bullets chronographed at apx 1,800 FPS, that’s apx 899 ftlbs at the muzzle vs perhaps 510 ftlbs using 55gr 5.56.
@@draganbalzic4493 And 220gr subs at 1040fps are right at 500 ftlbs. So good to go either way.
@@ElsinoreRacer They should just release one in 45 ACP that can handle 45 Super, like the Banshee.
Always appreciate your reviews, even if most of us will never own the guns you talk about. You're always informative, descriptive and provide honesty above all. It's always a blast to see you shoot, too.
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Even "under the weather" Chris is still ringing steel at 100 yards away. Great job
5.56 out of barrels this short just feel like a waste of gunpowder, but I love the idea of having it in 5.7, especially if it were to be paired with a .22 suppressor rated for 5.7.
IV8888 reviewed this in 5.7 and really liked it.
Matt from demo ranch is shooting both 5.7 and 300blk But only suppresses the 300
You read my mind
Short barrels are fun. When you have a guzillion Ar15’s in various barrel lengths it’s inevitable you will want a shorty, because why not. If you only had one ar then I can understand your argument. But some people have dozens or more.
@@rmossman88 short barrels are cool, but any 5.56 under 10.5” is literally a waste of a gun.
CMMGs are so good, I've never had one that felt awkward or wasn't fun to shoot, I don't think I've ever even had a failure out of mine and I bought the cheapest one! Damn fine company.
I got to get a CMMG platform, I mean only thing I own is their CMMG AR 22 LR conversion adaptor kit which is Badass in itself.
I must say, this is one of the more appealing pdw's as of late, I like that its very much familiar to the ar-15 method of controls. and probably a ton of parts compatiblity. I would 100% go for .300 blk though. 5.56 is kinda ridiculous from such a short barrel. but other wise, its really cool! if only i had $2k!
Why is 300 best for a shorter barrel?
@@thndr_5468 srsly? im not sure if your trolling or just actually dont know. 5.56 is primarily dependent on velocity( yes there are a few specialized rounds that do better with lower velocities), so shooting 5.56 out of a super short, say 5.5 or even 7.5" barrel is less than ideal. .300 blk is much less dependent on velocity for energy as it has anywhere from 2-4 times the mass.
@@mtnbound2764 ah ok thanks
@@thndr_5468 your welcome.
I think this is the way the AR should evolve. I never liked the buffer system in an AR.
Given the AR-18 works like that with two guiding rods and no buffer tube, you could say that's the way it did evolve.
Given the AR was designed as a rifle to shoot at rifle ranges with rifle velocities... im not sure what you mean. Do want a rifle or a PDW? Do you think ARs shouldn't be made as a rifle anymore, as in you want less velocity and less accuracy out of the bullet?
No other buffer tube less /buffer-less design has even come close to the reliability, especially considering across barrels from 24” down to 7.5”
It’s a pretty awesome system
@@stephen_crumley The market just needs to create a better ecosystem of support for non-buffer AR's. If an AK can do it then there should be no reason an AR should have trouble. Most of these issues can be solved with an adjustable gas system, not even involving the recoil system.
@@jdiggy1195 No I dont mean any of that. I mean get rid of the traditional buffer system. There are too many flaws/limitations with its design.
“I’m such a big guy, and it’s such a small gun!” Cut to Ms. Outlaw giving knowing wink to camera.
Sems like an awesome concept!!! Awesome videos!
If ammo cost wasnt a thing I think this platform shines brightest in the 5.7 configuration. Just rip rounds no problem with minimal recoil and potentially have a can on it. Would be tons of fun and practical at the same time for what it is
The more 5.7 firearms get released like the Ruger and PSA pistols the more ammo makers will start producing the ammo in wider varieties.
@@Edge51 Absolutely, then maybe finally I can justify picking one up haha it isnt my most favorite cartridge but it sure is fun to shoot
That's my plan if the street price goes closer to 1500
I caught a DBX57 in grey for $800, pretty similar to this Dissent.
Once you get rid of the buffer tube, there is no going back. All my ARs seem primitive now... LoL
This is awesome! Seeing several manufacturers proving that "bufferless direct impingement" is actually a thing and you don't need a piston system to make it happen, cause too many people seem to think this.
Would love to see this in a rifle config.
Glad to see more companies are ditching the goofy t handle.
What blasphemy! The AR15 is the most perfectess rifle design in the universe! lol
Great video even when you are feeling under the weather, good job. Wish we could get those in our state.
I think you should give the foxtrot Mike fm15 11.5 a try. Seems like a nice lower end competitor that you just sacrifice a bit of portability with.
Love my FM9
put a Streamlight TLR-9 on the top of the rail right where your thumb will hit the switch.
since the red dot is so high up, you can look directly over the WML without it obstructing your view, while keeping the footprint of the gun as slim as possible.
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What gets me is that we *had* this two freakin' decades ago with the ZM Weapons LR-300 and Para even tried to make it happen when they licensed it as the TTR. Time is a flat circle and now we've got this and the PSA Jakl and who knows what else for foldy, bufferless AR-ish platforms. It was before the advent of the pistol brace and a few years before the AWB expired though, so once they could finally sell them, they were stuck with 16" barrels, no market existed when the product needed one and they couldn't price it low enough.
@fixedG you are correct regarding the LR-300. That ZM is still one of my favorite weapons.
Never been a fan of rifle rounds out of an really short barrel. If they make this in 9mm or, better yet, 10mm I’m in.
300 blk would be ideal I think.
The 10mm banshee is pretty awesome
10mm all da way
@@alllopez63 does the banshee have the helical delayed bolt? From what I understand, simple blowback 10mm is a tad harsh, unnecessarily, but a helical delayed action would be far more pleasant.
300BLK out of a 6” barrel is fine. Way too short for 5.56 to be effective really but 300BLK would do good.
Seems like another Stoner AR-18 design! I’m digging it! Similar to the MCX and of course the BRN-180
Basically a daewoo k1.
Can we get an update on frangible after adjusting the adjustable gas block that comes standard on the dissent? Appreciate it Chris.
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Can we get a reliability follow up? Starting to see some issues with some of them here and there, primarily the 7.62 but still would like to see a reliability update, hopefully its not far back on the list for 1,000 reviews 😅
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Awesome, authentic, and thorough review as always, man. Keep up the great content.
I don't know where any Walmart sells 5.56 or .223 ammo. I have three Walmarts fairly close to me, ( two under 30 minutes, one 45 minutes away) and none of them sell ammo in any caliber except .22 LR or 12 gauge shotgun shells. In fact, the associate told me all other ammo is essentially banned for sale by the corporate office. No 9mm, 38/.357, .380 or deer calibers are in the stores. Forget AR 15 or AK platform ammo....they refuse to stock it.
That's a great design. I definitely don't get 5.56 option, but that thing will be great in .300 blackout. Anything less than 10.5" in 5.56 is mostly a waste of time other than a fun range toy.
I assure you that if all I had was frangible for lunch, and the evil attacker is hungry, well, it's chow time! The trigger manipulation looks perfect. Even though my hearing is severely damaged, I just don't know how I would handle the range time; however, for shtf-time, it'll work CQ just fine! I'm wondering if the slight weight from the extended brace helped cycle the lighter rounds when you held it out unsupported, you think? Thanks for the great review, and I think your wife really enjoyed shooting it Chris...... I hope you're feeling better.
Looks like the brace can only folds left. Folds right would block the ejection port so you have to replace the folding brace for righties in order to use a sling.
That BCG/spring assembly look a lot like those on the MPX/MCX. It would be interesting to see them compared side by side.
It definitely does
Lmao just one look at that dual guide rod system of the BCG an I can tell ya that Sig is about to hit them with a lawsuit, guaranteed 😂
@@mattandrews8528 Dual guide rods aren't a Sig patent. They've been around for decades before the MPX.
@@sgthop Hey I didn’t say they’d win, it’s just in Sig’s nature to take everyone to court.
@@mattandrews8528 The Sig M series are based on the AR18 design, they don't have patent over the operating mechanism.
I have a 7.5" ar pistol, and let me tell you, its LOUD.
Would love to see this in 10mm seems like it would be a good platform and at the moment there are not a lot of pcc choices in the best mm
Check out their Banshee
As much as I love 10mm .300blk hits harder with supersonic loads and the subsonic bullets for .300blk are easier to find an are much more ballistically superior in reaching out up to and past 100yds. So while I got a 10mm XDM OSP and love it I have more .300blk pdw’s simply because they’re harder hitting and easier to suppress with my .30 cans.
@@mattandrews8528 don’t 10mm have more stopping power Thoe ?
The Banshee!? I have one in 10mm and it’s a little clunky, but that trigger tech two stage would help, and I do love a side charger. Will keep my eyes on this platform. In 300 blk this would rival the DD PDW because of the side folding and the adjustable gas block.
Reminds me BRN-180s or MCX, mini-SCAR, or B&T style recoil spring setup.
...but direct impingement on a 5" barrel? No piston?
Huge improvement for CMMG
Glad to see they have a updated and modern handguard now
It's also like a short Jard J180.
Looks like it should be easy for CMMG to implement the same system for the RDB PCC’s!
Another awesome vid!
I’m a big guy too, 6’7” 275 with big paws. I haven’t any PDW except for th scorpion or the MP5
Sig did the twin springs behind the bolt on their full auto 556 series. I t worked for a couple years then the reverted back to the dual forward spring setup. Looks good to me. Git Bit.
It's a Sig Sauer Rattler with a 5.56 barrel (I use both my 300BO and 5.56 barrel) The one different thing on the Dissent is that the charging handle. Nice firearm!
I agree about the Trigger Tech. I have an adjustable one on a DBX 5.7 and it is wonderful.
Ooooooo helllllll yeaaaaaaa!!!! This looks mad! Thanks for the review . As usual. You the man Outlaw!!!!
Yep I’m going to be that guy…$2K is coming in right with the other upper end piston driven firearms. I’ll stick with my MCX or Rattler. The real question is, how does it suppress?
Surely this guy needs some more selling points.
The PSA jackal instantly has some competition.
I hope this is successful and they add more calibers and configurations.
I'd like to see a 7.5" 5.56mm
It has no competition for the price. The Jakl is much, much cheaper. CMMG is overpriced as always.
I feel like 5.7 in this would actually be the best setup.
At $2000 for the Dissent, some folks might want a cheaper alternative. That could be the Brownells BRN-180. It costs about half to put together a shortie BRN-180 on a decent lower. Plus, you get a real live piston.
So while I love CMMG's stuff, they might be on the verge of pricing themselves out of the market. Just my opinion . . .
I’ve seen it for about 500 less than the 2000 mark. Might not be that far away from the brownell’s offering.
Not really when compared with the HB, Dirt Squirrel or Noveske GB..I’ve owned all 3 except for the Dirt Sq, and I love my CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm w Glock mags. I had more issues with the H. Badger than the other 2. So price wise w the aforementioned weapons CMMG may be a bargain although I never shot the Dissent.
Hope you fill batter, I just got the 5.7x28 and I just love it and I all so got the Fastic origin 12 shotgun!! You should do a review on that. The shotgun is amazing!!!!
Chris you gotta get your hands on the Angstadt Arms MDP!!!! Wooo !
Similar to a BRN-180S but with about 4 inches less barrel. I've looked at the dissent but they're hard to find and crowding 1800 for just the gun. That SBA brace is about 250 now if you can find one. I have the BRN-180S in 5.56 and 300BO with that brace.
The compact size and removable brace are just the thing in this pre-civil war 2.0 era.
Oh yeaah.. Great video!
Nice to see Mrs Outlaw to also have a go with it..
I have a similar 7 inch 300blk under construction. Traditional charging handle but it is a bufferless system and depending on the weight of the bcg (final piece I am waiting on) it will be just over 3lbs, 49 or 50 ounces. The goal was to be as light and compact as possible with a 7 inch barrel
I just bought my first cmmg banshee but i bought a 45 acp cant wait
The 5.7 makes the most sense to me in this package.
or the 22TCM ( the 223 rem based version)
Hopefully the 5.7 ammo will make sense enough to produce it. Love that round.
I should got 5.7 but was an ammo expense thing but 300 blackout I dunno
An 11.5” 556 barrel is plenty potent beyond 150 yards. It’s more like a 300 yard gun with 11.5” barrel. And that’s not MY opinion, that’s the research out of crane. Taking multiple classes from professionals you learn this stuff pretty quick.
This absolutely needs the option of having a longer barrel. Are they user serviceable? Can the barrel be changed at all?
Seems like the way guns run with Cmmg when it come to their guns being loud. Bought one of their .308 rifles back in August. Definitely hella loud! But it's become my favorite gun in my inventory to shoot. Will definitely be a return customer.
unpopular opinion: 223 out of this gun 55g is hitting 2200fps still enough to exceed the stretch capacity of tissue, which experts point to rifle calibers having much greater wounding capabilities than pistol calibers.
note: 300 blk 110g gets 1800fps on this rifle, so that would mean, 223 has better terminal ballistics in this barrel than 300 blk
I’m missing something?
Wow looks very similar to the Sig MCX Rattler platform. Well suited for 300aac in that short barrel. Very impressive by CMMG!
Always been a fan of CMMG, and I feel like his was built for me and what I want. Always been looking for a BACK PACK GUN and boom here we are. Love your videos and was waiting for this when I seen your #shorts
Interesting, you think MCX style ARs are going to start coming in? We also have that PSA Jakl.
yea of course
Just when I was about to get a sig mcx/mpx... Can't wait for your full review!
That's a pretty cool firearm. Take care, Mr. Outlaw. Hope you feel better soon.
Any chance you'll be doing some videos with the CMMG 300 Resolute? I'm debating on getting it for the Radial system but would love to see someone throughly review it. Seems like the Banshee & Dissent have gotten more shine.
My extar stock trigger is one of my favorite triggers out of all my weapons. It’s already at the wall and then pop. For a stock trigger on the extar a 450$ gun it’s top top notch.
Works wonders on "the tird kind". Been impressed by CMMG !
Tird kind?
@@uberlupe1 : yup, the sheit kind
This would be kool in like a 45 Auto, or 10MM. Or even a .50AE...Personally I don't like rifle calibers with barrels shorter than 10".
If its between this or like a POF-USA Renegade+ Pistol, I'd take the Renegade+. Its about as lightweight, has crazy ergos, and nice system upgrades, but still takes all standard AR parts. Its super easy to handle, and is dead accurate with nice velocity and effective range. Anything similar is just as good, like the Geissle Super Duty Pistol.
Awesome set up, wish you tested it in 300blk with subs , can on and can off
A .300blk version is the best way to go for sure, I’m waiting on my pre order to come in myself, I got a 10mm XDM OSP and love the best mm, but .300blk is the better choice both with subs and supersonic rounds. More ammo availability and they hit harder. For a pdw .300blk > 10mm now for a handgun of course 10mm > 9mm. Real excited to get my own Dissent hopefully soon, they said day one when I placed the pre order in June that they’d ship in September…looks like they’ve had some set backs.
6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC > .300 BLK. More power, much more range. Almost same capacity.
I would like one with a 10.5" barrel. That way I can use it with my suppressor.
Unpopular opinion: Barrels that short would be better in stout pistol calibres - Chamber that design in 7.5 FK and you have an extra 2-3 inches of barrel for the same OAL, far less blast even without a muzzle device, and it'll penetrate IIIA
...and you can use FK Pistol mags
Can you review the CMMG Dessent 9mm line that just came out? Maybe the GS, or all three of them, or the line in general? Maybe compare to the banshee or talk about improvements over the banshee that they made.?.
Funny saw this in my email this morning then come on here and see you made a video that quick lol only difference one I seen was 5.7x28 hope you feel better
Good review, thanks, its on my list to be my truck/backpack gun. Now just to find $2k I can pull out of the budget.
Liking it ALOT !!!
10.5" uppers to add or start with and I'm sold !!!
The rattler finally has some competition 🙌
in reality probably not, especially not at 2k, these should run $1250-1500 with brace / stock
I have The Descent in 300 Blackout and the mutant one of cmmg original designs. They make quality stuff thanks for the video let us know how it goes
I wish CMMG would bring this out in 10mm even better 7.5 MM, I WOULD BUY BOTH, FK BRNO HAS 7.5 WITH JUST A QUICK BARREL CHANGE TO 10MM USING SAME MAGAZINE LOVE IT
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Thank You.
Almost bought a Banshee a while back in 9mm. That short barrel is fine for a PCC, but that seems too short for 5.56. How much wasted energy gets lost with a huge fireball? 5.7 seems interesting though.
I was friends with the Arlington County, Virginia Commonwealth Attorney and from discussions with her the difficulty justifying a citizen involved shooting starts to increase dramatically past 10 yards. About the only situation where you justify even a 25 yard shot is an active shooter event. Where PDWs make the most sense is home defense.
Depending on the state and whether or not ppl are trespassing on your property, the legality is pretty easy to justify. Arlington County isn’t known for its generous land lots. Drive an hour south from there.
@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 Unless someone presents a deadly threat you will go for shooting in Virginia and every other State. If someone is a football field away and not shooting at you the use of deadly force is not justified.
It would be hard to justify under Normal pretext. But considering the purpose of the 2A having something capable of long range is a must.
@@nickloven6728 Never said it wasn't. The context is self defense in the normal course of life. The only realistic place for a PDW in normal times is home defense. Chris is does great reviews but I would be cautious about taking advice on self defense law from him.
Nice, I have been considering a PCC for home defense. illinois sucks!!! I want something suppressed to protect my hearing!!
300blk seems like the most ideal round for this package however i would effing love to have just the upper for my other lowers.
That gun is so beautiful I can’t even describe the emotions I’m feeling 😭
So the big question is...Sig MCX Rattler Canebrake or CMMG Dissent?
Did you ever do a 1000 shots review? I cant find it in your channel.
I’m thinking about getting a PDW style AR pistol, so this is a good video for me.
I think I’d go for the 5.7 if someone made me take one. Too short for 556 and the 300BO is just disappointing compared to 7.62x39 which will do subsonic and 300 yd work with a mag change. Oh and can that brace be moved up or down on that mounting rail? Would be nice to drop it down and mount the red dot low for more intuitive pointing, especially since it’s a CQB gat. Keep up the good work 👍
Not having a dust cover might be a problem in that I picture this platform being used as a truck/bug-out/home defence gun, where it is mostly just sitting around in vehicles or the home collecting dust and other detritus. Having said that, I was trying to get a good still-frame when you were showing off the pistol, and from what I could see, it appears the BCG pretty much occluded the ejection port. Maybe, if an operator was concerned, a bit of masking tape with a piece of paper so it doesn’t stick to the BCG, but tears when the pistol fires would ’fix’ the problem.
I desperately need one in 300BO.
What is not having a dust cover going to do? I think it’s a non issue.
@@skoolynugenator1802 well, for some, the concern would be that when ‘stored’ in a place of easy access in an emergency, it is exposed to the detritus of modern life in the vehicle, home or wherever. This could affect the weapon and impede it’s operation.
@@skoolynugenator1802 not having a dust cover on a range toy is not really a problem.
@@andrewallason4530 the bolt is closed though so nothing is getting in the action.
@@skoolynugenator1802 the bolt does not completely occlude the ejection port, dust and grit could enter, and the resulting mixture with the gun lube could gum up the action. Personally, I think it’s a very unlikely scenario, but we all know the ‘belt and braces’ types.
I don't really get excited about a gun but I really like this one... I'm also not one that likes 300 Blackout all that much but this gun is begging for it especially once paired with my Dead Air Nomad TI. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
FM products just came out with a similar operating system just last year. They don’t offer it in as such of a short package or in .300BLK or 5.7FN. I wonder how they compare.
The CCMG muzzle comp focuses the blast forward, which it why she wasn’t noticing as badly
Foxtrot Mike does have a gun similar to this in a longer barrel and probably costs less than this CMMG, great gun though and recoil doesn't seem that bad with it.
I think Foxtrot Mike's version of this similar design sits in the price range of $700 to $1000, so that's quite a difference in price to the CMMG version.. I'm not trying to say the CMMG is a bad gun, it probably isn't, but $2000 for the CMMG Dissent, that better be worth it by adding something extra to it.
correct, but CMMG will be able to provide better support for the long haul.
@@roscoep4850 What is this based on? FM has a lifetime warranty on all products.
"Foxtrot Mike Products is known for our lifetime warranty on all our products.
In the event that our customers have any of our products fail, FM Products will replace those parts at no cost to you"
@@turbografx16 I have heard FM's customer service is pretty good if you have any problems. Anyway I just thought of Foxtrot Mike's newest AR-15 type rifle that has some similiarity to CMMG's version after seeing the video and thought I should share.. I think this might be the way AR's are going to go instead of large springs and large bolt carrier.
@@brianwolfgaming1452 Yes, I quite like my FM-15. Its very handy.
It’s funny to see how many people don’t like the idea of a 6.5” 5.56 but then will turn around and talk about how cool a 5.7 would be, when they’re almost the same size bullet and the 5.56 is still faster from what info I can find online. If it was full auto then I could see 5.7 being cool because maybe it’d be a little more controllable but I don’t think I can pull a semi auto trigger fast enough for that to matter personally, at least at the ranges this was intended for. I’d still take 300blk over both though tbh
I suppose that it's probably a bit late for this question. Is there a chance that we will get a 1000 round review for this gun? I like the gun, but I'm concerned about it's reliability.
If God forbid you ever find yourself in financial troubles, you can sell just a third of your armory and probably be pretty well set. Rock on!
funny enough, that's about how we bought our land for our new house 😅
@@DaveL9170 According to CMMG, you can put the upper on any lower, but you have to use their backplate to cover the buffer tube.
Provided our paper money is actually worth anything. That shit scares me concerning my own personal reserves. Esp if something really goes down. Hard goods themselves will be worth more than money.
300 blackout would be the ideal cartridge for this. As you mentioned, 5.56 is terrible out of a short barrel like that. 5.7 would be fun but id rather have the 300blk which would be a better self defense round around the house or cqb
Damn that’s cool! Is that operating system similar to the Diamondback DBX?
I just put the holosun 510c on my cmmg wasp 556 and I love it bout you
My dad has an old Hi-Point 995 and is thinking about getting the Hi Tower Armory bull pup conversion kit. Other videos on UA-cam are saying it’s a viable option but I’d really like to get your opinion on this affordable option.
Budget MCX but with charging handle. I can see 11.5 and rifle versions doing very well if they can keep the street price below 1500
Nice video!
The first thing I noticed after that cool bcg and spring. But I also noticed that the recoil seemed really low for 5.56.
I'm actually most interested in the 5.7mm... being that 300 blackout is ballistically bad, and 5.56 has some cons out of a short barrel like that. 5.7 seems like the ideal round for this.
i have 7.5” ar in 5.56.
only thing it is good for is driving sensitives off my indoor range when they are zeroing their ar-15 indoors at 25 yards.