1905 EXCELSIOR RECORD 78rpm Talkophone Label Played On Victor Type D Phonograph
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Here is an early record label that does not surface very often. This is the very short lived single sided Excelsior Record produced for the Talkophone Company of Toledo, Ohio featuring "The Deed Of The Pen" by the Imperial Orchestra. The label features a very interesting depiction of a knight climbing successively larger stacks of records while carrying a banner indicating 'EXCELSIOR'. The implication is that the Excelsior Record represents the very pinnacle of all records. Emblazened on the label top is the impressive phrase "FOR ANY DISC TALKING MACHINE". I must admit that I was impressed when I first listened to the recording as the surface is very quiet. I selected my Victor type D to play the record since it was handy. You'll forgive the motor noise as this is typical for the very earliest Victor Talking Machine motors. Thanks for stopping in and I hope that you enjoy the video.
Imagine not having access to music unless someone played it for you or you played it yourself. This invention was truly a gift. Music makes our lives so much better.
The problem is that it reduced the number of people who can sing, play, or read music. People became passive listeners, whereas once everyone was expected to be able to sing and play an instrument of some sort.
@@8jaime8womp womp
I just love this machine. Congratulations and thank you for showing it.
Wow..... very rare ,very good system , i never seen this one before , A very special Thanks for you for upload this video
Thanks Rocky! Glad you enjoyed this one. My impression has always been that the knight was climbing stacks of disc records. Interesting to think that they could be interpreted as cylinder records too! Stop back again soon and hope you post on your channel some of the new cylinders you'll be getting soon.
What an awesome phonograph, withwind up power,.it reminds me seeing pictures where you can see Thomas Edisson next to one of these,then when you saw the logo of RCA Victor the voice of his master logo used on the records and all their products.
That's a lovely tune
Good fidelity for its time! A fan and an admirer from Pakistan!
It's Beautiful! I have a red HMV 102 and it's Amazing same as your Victor :)
That's not easy to do with one hand, is it?? Surprising sound quality from a record of that era. And very nice machine!!
Is it a kond of stroboscope on the record label or just a pattern?
Thanks for sharing
My parents wedding was recorded on one of those 72 speed records.
I don't know if they thought this far ahead or not but if you look closely at some disc records under light there is a strobing effect going on this might have to set the speed on these recods since some played at80 rpm as well as 78 rpm. Just a thought
Excellent presentation. Very careful handling of the machine. Thanks
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You need to lube the mechanical motor inside, its making a ton of noise
One doubt... is it possible to change volume in gramaphone?
Put a sock in the horn to dampen the sound other Than that no
:-O rare
Beutiful machine i love truntable n record im a DJ i want to buy one of those legend truntable just to chill n play record from the 1920 up 78 style
Nice
I agree. Great machine but the motor needs to be oiled.
The motor on the Victor Talking Machine model D seen here is a very early triple spring design utilizing combination spur and bevel gear drive. No matter how much oil one uses on these motors they will NEVER be as quiet as the later Victor Talking Machine spring motors that contain numerous motor design improvements. Yes, this motor is rather noisy - but it is quite simply indicative of an early Victor motor design and by no means indicative of neglect on my part.
People nowadays: i got a 1000 watt subwoofer.
People old times: i got a 70 cm horn
RMS or PMPO? 🙄😁
78 rpm
that big record did not even last for 5 minutes, but it's amazing how loud the sound is without electricity.
@@Tadfafty put a sock in it!!
It's a 78. They're only about 3 minutes. The size of the record has nothing to do with the duration.
@@michaelchadwick2254 Yes it does, a wider diameter allows for more grooves to be compactly placed onto the record and still spin at 78 RPM. I have multiple 78 albums (eg. classical music) which were provided on both 12 inch discs and 10 inch discs and more music is easily fit onto the bigger 12 inch counterparts.
@@willtubes73 That's not what I meant. You misinterpreted. Please re-read and re-think then let me know what you come up with.
@@michaelchadwick2254 No reason to be rude, if you could please elaborate than I would get a better understanding of your thesis
Every time I think that the 1900's are gone forever I want to cry... actually
Same. everything that has happend was i the 1900s
Ok coomer
@@swegboii6447 uhh, I don't think he's a boomer, he might be older than that.
@@tdiamonds23ice82 ik its an old comment but that wasnt the joke.
@@MathsOP ok
Pretty incredible that almost 120 years later, we can listen to this tune on UA-cam on the internet.
Beautiful looking machine. Even in our times this still seems like an incredible piece of human technology - to piece together bits of wood, metal and other materials in such a way that it may carry the sound of a moment over a hundred years into the future so we may hear it. Without the use of electricity.
I have one at my house and it is a bug box
I mean big*
Amen to your comment! This is amazing tech.
Bat1Cr3ase ok Beavis
@@airsnaillll presently working this and you sale these
love that vintage sound.
in 1905, my great grandmother was 7yrs old
im 14 and my great-grandmother would have been probably 5 in 1905. She was either born around 1900 or 1901. But my great-grandfather was born around 1897.
@@haylabox1662 wow! Can I ask how old your parents are? Everyone on my mom’s side had their children in their early and mid 20s- pretty average. I’m 18. I was born in 2004 and my great grandmother was born in 1931.
@@emily5968 my great-grandma would have been 16 years of age, and great grandfather around 20. I am 20 years old myself.
@@kelvinsurname7051 that’s crazy! I guess my family is just young
@@emily5968 well to consider that my grandparents of my motherside would have been 102 today, it is reasonable to say that my family, especially my moms side had children late. My oldest uncle would be around 82 today. My grandparents of the other side, of which my grandfather died in 2016, at the age 86, he would have been 93 years old today. My grandmother is nearing 91. My great uncles and aunts are well into their 80's and 90's. Strangely I am already uncle for nearly 6 years.
10 years later and still no copyright strike.
Nice one
lmao
All copyrights older than the middle 1920s have permanently expired so we can do as we wish with stuff as old as this, and nobody can stop us.
Now 12
Got a copyright after 13years
Me: Mom, can we get a record player?
Mom: no, we have a record player at Grandma's house
The record player at Grandma's house:
I'd take a gramophone over a modern turntable anyday
I would love to be with my grandma
And it is good enough for you, rascal
@@SwedishEmpire1700 nani
@@FireCat_P I'd take both so you won't miss The Beatles record that use 33 1/3 rpm and 78rpm Yankee Doodle record all together.
It's so interesting to know what recorded music was like more than 100 years ago. My understanding is that the whole orchestra had to crowd around a horn and record direct-to-disc. The earliest process, as I saw in a book I read back in the 80s in school, had multiple record cutting machines in the studio, so the orchestra had to keep making recordings to make more records, as there was no "pressing" to duplicate the record.
ua-cam.com/video/Pn1r2-t59gA/v-deo.html - and cylinders where often made out of a mould if I’m correct. They never needed to have multiple machines in the same room to make more copies. That would make each cylinder different, and only a few of them would be good to listen to because of the placing of the different instruments in front of the horn.
Cylinders were able to made from a master only after 1902. Before that, if you wanted 10 copies of a record, you had your band play it 10 times. Or, you put multiple machines out and had the band play into many at the same time. Also, a method of mechanical Pantographing allowed several copies to be made from an original.
This machine plays surprisingly well for one so early. This talking machine has many characteristics of the Victor II. Thanks for this video.
Nice machine and very good sounding record.
Whaaaat?? Sounds like crap!
can we hit 100k subs for dimitry??? ur deaf lol😂
can we hit 100k subs for dimitry??? Your phone
@@canwehit100ksubsfordimitry7 And you think A almost 100 year old machine Will sound like a High quality Speakers? Dumbass!
@@canwehit100ksubsfordimitry7 lmao you are a new level of stupif
My dads coworker bought one of these for $5 at a garage sale and brought it to the office to play it
Yeah! I was really jealous of him
Well I would ask if I could film it (after all it isn’t mine) but unfortunately my dad’s coworker does not work there anymore.
No, like 2018
It was at a garage sale and I’m pretty sure they just wanted it gone so they listed it really low
Might have some dark history idk😂
I have a few gramophones with noisey motors :( Still a beautiful gramophone and sounds good too!
Oil them
My victrola vv 80 always has a noisy motor no matter how well I oiled it. I traced the sound to the governor which is just slightly out of balance causing a slight rumble. Noisy motors don’t bother me though because you can’t hear it when the records playing
Awesome you are so lucky to have one, I wonder what they are worth now?.any idea?
In India, you can get a gramophone for Rs. 6000.
Which is around 81.81 U.S dollars.
Yash Yadav Expensive.
depends, but usually 75-250 USD
@@patryknowicki4536 perhaps the record, but this model phonograph usually sells for around 2,000 USD. What you are referring to would be a fake, modern, indian phonograph.
@@panda-goat I got an original hornless (internal horn) HMV RCA Victor model 60 gramophone for the equivalent of 150 bucks. I don't know where you live, but they aren't that expensive in Europe. Now, yes I do agree the horned gramophones are usually much more expensive, and there are plenty of fake reproduction models around. I interpreted the question as ANY 78RPM wind-up gramophone, but correct, if you would want THIS exact one you would have to pay much more than I suggested.
Overall the horned gramophones are usually more desirable by the average inexperienced person as they are more "iconic". That's also why there are so many fakes. I usually stay away from cheap, shiny horned gramophones, as 99.9% of those are reproduction
🌹OMG IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE, I USED TO PLAY THIS🤪🤪😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing this. A wonderful instrument, and a record label I have never seen before. I learn something every day.. :-)
Good
Amazing that we are being entertained by musicians who must have long been deceased.
write that some where and pass it to your great grand children to read after another 100 years.
@@iceberg789it’s here, don’t see UA-cam going bust and probably will be around in a hundred years, make that 96😅
We have a Victor Talking Machine “Victrola” that my Father in Law refinished for my Wife as a gift for graduation and we adore it! We play it a few times a year, we were lucky enough to find a stack of approx 50-60 records in my Grandmother’s basement that play nicely on it as well! He also refinished an old original oak ice box (turn of the century refrigerator) with me as well as a gift for my Wife for our anniversary! We love it....
Impressive sound quality. Of course, the rebuilt reproducer fully demonstrates what the Victor is capable of, but don't you enjoy the discovery of a gem like this that delivers the unexpected! Since it advertises "Any Disc", do you suppose this is one of the 'universal' types that was cut for lateral or vertical play? Either way, it has substantial bass response and a quiet surface unusual for the era. Thank You for sharing this diamond!
And in 7 years , Titanic will sink.🚢
A slower time , when people weren't so mean.
a slower time, when we still had icebergs
There certainly were mean people back then. Times were rough in 1905, and there were no safety nets if one fell on hard times. I will say that, due to the lack of electronic distractions, people were much more willing to converse in public than they are today. The bad apples have always been here, but the good ones were easier known before this age of distraction.
Did you really said that ?
Before it was hard to breathe.
@@holden4111
I miss the good old Roman days, where every citizen owned a slave, and everybody had a fun time watching barbarians slaughter themselves at the Colosseum.
Wow....its creepy and calming at the same time!
Wow !!! That's amazing results from a primitive sound-recording and playback equipment. Actually that was a beautiful march and excellent performance by the musicians. I hope you take good extra careful care of those items. Don't use "pledge" or lemon-oil on that wood. Thanks for sharing this gem through UA-cam.
Interesting, it’s not only an old record phonograph, but the record is so very old...good combination to illustrate. Nice.
How Strange that this early Excelsior Record Gives absolutely no reference to the Talk-O-Phone Co. of Toledo, Ohio on the label, and the only mention of it, is in the introduction of the record. These discs are extremely rare, and I have only come across one in all my years of collecting. You can see and hear it on my "Nobody" by Arthur Collins video on my youtube channel Thanks again for posting this rare and unusual disc. with the exceptionally interesting label.
Victrolaman
Many of the very earliest disc records were announced in spite of the fact that those bearing paper labels included this information. The primary reason for the announcement being present on the earliest cylinder records was because the title information was not present anywhere on the cylinder. A paper slip indicating the artist and title were included instead but these were easily discarded. The recorded announcements on labelled records was likely a tradition carried over from early days.
Actually some cylinder records had artist's names and song titles inscribed on the outside margin of the cylinder. Also, early record producers believed that a loud, clear and emphatic announcement at the beginning of a record added to its appeal.
@@mgconlanI think announcements were also carried over from experimental recordings before phonographs were commercially sold
Your record player is incredible!
It ain't a record player. It's a gramaphone
It ain't a gramaphone. It's a gramophone
@@wallk03 you’re both wrong it’s a phonograph and by every meaning of the definition it is a record player
@@Cave4590 A phonograph reproduces cylinder records, while a phonograph reproduces shellac records
All Gramophones are phonographs, but not all phonographs are gramophones. Record player is acceptable to describe both as they are both machines that play records
"FOR ANY DISC TALKING MACHINE" - ok, they couldn't know, that Pathé started this year vertical cut records and Edison did so some years later. So "Any disc talking machine" was for this time true, because discs were at this moment always laterally recorded.
Another thing is, an Edison disc phonograph can't play Pathe discs, because the arm is driven by the motor, not by the groove. This excludes center start records, that can't be played with tagential arms and this would make the stylus jump.
I heard, the finer groove in Diamond Discs means on modern equipment to play the first Diamond Discs with print on the record with 25 µm Microgroove stylus and the later paper label records with 65 µm 1950's normal groove stylus.
There was another Excelsior record label in L.A. in the early 1940's. It and its sister label Exclusive recorded mostly Black R&B artists.The Black songwriting brothers Leon and Oris René ("When It's Sleepy Time Down South," "When the Swallows Come Back to Capstrano") were the principal owners, and though they recored mostly Black artists (including two sessions with Nat "King" Cole after Decca dropped him and before Capitol signed him), they also made early records with Frankie Laine.
That is a beautiful phonograph. Nice record too. I have a few 78 records and they are fun to listen to. Thanks for sharing.
My job was making phonographs, my name is Guido Claerhout, I live in Belgium? I am an expert in repairing those machines?
Its hard to imagine the genius of people like Thomas Edison back in the day.
I have one of those tall RCA Victor console cabinets. I’m scared to even touch or try to play records on that thing, as it’s over 100 years old, and counting. I’m scared I might ruin it with my shaky hands.
I happen to see one of these machines, but older at an antique mall earlier this year.
Yeah, as I stopped to look, the needle was on the disc. As I took the needle out, it started spinning either 33, 45, or 78 RPM. I’m not sure. But as my dad told me to put it back, the spinning stopped as the needle landed on one the grooves.
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I think it's a good thing we moved to electric models with a tinier stylus. Imagine having to replace the needle every play, or trim it if it were bamboo.
Have to wait 63 years for the white album
wow this is really great I have heard of Talkophone and Excelsior from Toledo but never seen nor heard any THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING
Carl
Toledo, Ohio
Is not high fidelity, but the sound was better than I supposed.
Boiii dis got built in trumpet not speaker, much better than the built in preamp
Nostalgic. I remember gramophone pins had to be changed from time to time and I had a hobby of picking up used pins in my childhood.
I had shown gramophone and records at my childhood period just before 50 years. Thank you once again for showing this antic instrument.
What a beautiful piece of music
@victrolaman Thanks for the nice comments, Victrolaman! You are very welcome. I have only found five of these early Excelsior label records. I really enjoy the unusual early labels and I'm sure you do as well. I'm hoping to post a few more of the rather uncommon early record label recordings from my collection.
The original title on the sheet score of 1904 was “A Deed of the Pen“. Came it so popular to need to change for “THE” and consider there is no one else?
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Wow, this sounds really good for 1905!
A good quiet turntable.
Thank you for posting this video and preserving history.
That is beautiful. 🤗 I would love to find one of those myself for use at home.
I have one if you need it
OHIO
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ਗਰਾਮੋਫੋਨ 'ਤੇ ਵੱਜਦੇ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਹਿੰਦੀ- ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਫਿਲਮੀ ਗਾਣੇ, ਲੋਕ ਗੀਤ , ਧਾਰਮਿਕ ਗੀਤ , ਸ਼ਬਦ, ਕੱਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਆਦਿ ਸੁਣਨ ਲਈ ਮੇਰਾ ਯੂਟਿਊਬ ਚੈਨਲ ਸਬਸਕ੍ਰਾਈਬ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ (ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਮੁਫ਼ਤ) ।
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muito interessante essa relíquia. obrigado por nos mostrar como começou os antigos aparelhos. isso e uma história muito bonita.
I have an Excelsior record number 309.
Thanks Sarah! Always nice to see your refreshing and supportive comments. Stop by anytime!
इसके दरशन करना है, अपना अडरेस दो भाई साहब
Parabéns por esta autêntica relíquia.É de grande valor quem respeita e exerce o conservadorismo.
Where did you find this record? (I know the video is 10 years old)
This has made my day, something so good about it
This kind of Music sort of makes me Happy ;-) It sounds Festive !
Thanks zj. I believe this record was pressed by the International Record company and that this is a lateral playback only record. The statement they make likely infers that the 'Disc Talking Machine' played only lateral cut records and the dealers probably instructed the customer what machines would play these. Great comments!
Reminds me of red dead redemption 2 when you walk through camp & Dutch is listening to an old Victrola.
Could you please contact me ASAP? I would like permission to use this, without the sound, for a quick music video.
Interesting era before like the movie industry began. Modernist avant garde is pretty awesome as well.
Is the motor noise normal or did the camera's leveller raise this noise?
If not, what about some oil?
Oh why did government remove these machanical butiful gramaphones. And people said it sounded like CRAP!? the people don't understand the real truth about gramaphone.
It is our luck that such old records can be heard now..
Good night ..
I wonder if you guys have parts or know where to find ..
thank you
google it they are readily available
Just bought a stack of 78rpm record. Got clean and play. Don't know the singers or the band
Those records😀are still playable on today's phonographs and can be put onto cd with software!!!
Fix the clockwork motor. It has a problem. It should not be that noisy.
Glenn Johnson Historical and marvellous!When you consider the age,the sound quality is brilliant.Nice one.Love this.
A beautiful old record played on a beautiful old Victor machine. Thank you for showing this. One suggestion I would make would be to show a good view of the decal on the front as well as the Victor name plate on the left side. The machine is just as special as the record it played.
So cool
Is the song they used for the band playing in the film Police Academy?
this is a wonderful record and machine that complement each other, you are quite lucky indeed to have a Victor D phonograph, for they are very rare due to not selling super well.
Just think: the earliest Berliner phonos had to be cranked all through the record. Was not until 1897 trademark machine used a spring that only needed to be cranked once.
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WOW !!! a very beautiful early art nouveau Phonograph... is it fully original ?
Que precio tiene en el mercado un Victor rca de 1904 tiene 117 años de antigüedad alguien me podría decir cuánto sale en dólares
It's hard to believe that things used to run without electricity for today's generation.