Great video about the incentives and the challenges of owning an EV without home or work charging. Thanks for also touching on L1 & L2 charging as well. I've owned a 2023 VW ID.4 for 13 1/2 months now, which I absolutely love. I live in an apartment without home charging, but I L1 charge at work for free daily, which easily covers my 37 mile round trip commute even in the winter months. I live in KC which has a fantastic public L2 charging infrastructure with many of them being free. So on the weekends, I can L2 charge for free at my local grocery store while shopping, eating out, going to local parks, etc. I also have very cheap L2 charging next door to the laundromat I frequent so I charge while doing things I'd normally be doing every week anyway, which makes it very convenient. I know my case scenario isn't the norm but it works for me and was planned prior to buying an EV. I think if you pre plan before buying an EV it can be feasible without home charging for apartment dwellers like myself. But you just can't buy an EV blindly thinking it will be the same as owning an ICE vehicle in terms of convenience, without having a charging plan in place that works for your situation.
I purchased a used 2021 Mach E GT with 25K miles back in October for $36K and I absolutely love it! At the time, I was looking at Tesla models but also looking around for something I would really like and also something I would keep for the long term. And I hella love the Mach E!! BTW I'm a new member to your group. Really love the content!
@RONderluck just based off your comment, I can tell that you the type of guy who has never had a girlfriend, or spends all of your free time hanging out with other dudes who don't have girlfriends, or works 3 to 4 different jobs because you have 0 social life. To comment on my post, with something so juvenile, is not only immature, but, it's damn embarrassing! You have a lot of growing up to do lil Ronnie. You can't spend the rest of your life posting dumb ass comments on YT. Life has so much to offer. But, if you don't get out of your girlfriends or boyfriends studio apartment, you will never be able to truly enjoy life. In closing, I hope you learned something from this verbal ass whoopin. I wish you nothing but the best that life has to offer.
@@headyhere I've read worse😂. A 👎 for my comment would've been sufficient. And while I'm here, shout out to ALL of the beautiful women that drive a Ford Mach E!! Thanks for helping to make our environment and communities a better place to live and thrive 💯💯
@@chrisbigknowledgegarland6366 Wow, you’re way off. I’ve been married for 24 years. 3 kids, 4 dogs and a chinchilla. All of my friends are also married. Had tons of girlfriends as a young man. I’ve been with same company since I was 15. My name isn’t Ronnie, it’s Fletcher. I own a plethora of new car dealerships here in the Chicago area. Lastly, you’re also wrong in saying comment was immature. It wasn’t immature at all. It’s a fact. I have seen plenty of Mach E’s over the past couple years and every single person behind the wheel is always a woman.
Y'all nailed this discussion, and I wish I would've watched this back when I purchased (For a confidence boost that I was making the correct decision/move). I ended up with 11k in rebates and 4k in dealer discounts on the '25 Equinox EV, but electrical vehicles (at that time) were a super unfamiliar territory for me and the process was riddled with moments of second guessing myself.
Great conversation. Much of what you folks talked about is why I just bought my 2025 Equinox RS FWD now. I also agree that level 2 charging is important for EV owners. I had to upgrade my service panel, which cost more than I expected, but it took the anxiety out of charging.
The deals I’m seeing are very tempting. I’m considering leasing for a couple of years and then getting my dream car. I’m not holding out for breakthroughs in battery technology, but improvements like cooled seats, a heat pump and a lower price for the GT for example. I’m also considering a 2025 Ioniq 5. When I bought my current car in 21 there was little choice for EV’s and that has changed. So that’s a big improvement.
My HVJB just went on my 6/22 build date GTPE. 40,228 miles. This happened 12/13. The repair would have been covered under warranty, but was going to take 1-2 weeks. I decided to trade-in, got $25k. With X-Plan I got about $9k off total for a 24 GT with the performance upgrade and 0% for 72. While I have no need for a 72 month loan, since it is 0% no reason to rush paying off.
I'd say… YES! Year-of-end sales, plus the incentives still intact, and the fact that 2025 models aren't that much better than 2024 (at least with my EV) makes it a no-brainer. But of course E'loon would want to hamstring the competition. He has never been pro-EV, just pro-power, pro-speed, pro-elitist, and… pro-mammon.
@@msschill Elon is a garbage human being. I don’t mind someone reminding us all that he is garbage within the EV conversation. Also, if you watched the video, they literally say why buying a car is political now, not that you shouldn’t know this already based on the horrible administration-to-be’s report.
Thanks, Patrick and Liv! One note on the Bolt EV... I wasn't able to post the review due to family issues, but I reviewed the final MY of the Chevy Bolt EUV. Even though it was the most expensive (Redline) package, its MSRP was actually lower than the MSRP for my entry level, base 2017 Chevy Bolt EV 1LT. So these cars do naturally get cheaper over time, but could you imaging going 5 or 6 years just to save a few thousand dollars off the MSRP? Our time and life experiences are worth way more than that.
It's better to lease instead of buying an EV! Sad part is I purchased a used ( 6,000 mile) 23' Hyundai 5 , for $ 35,000 from a dealer that used it for a loaner. I still have an ICE Ford Fusion Hybrid (2019). I don't have a home charger yet..too expensive to have power lines moved over to the front of my house ($5,000) !
@ My electric company will help with putting in a new electrical panel if you need one to install an EV charger. Maybe your electric company has some program that would help.
End of the year sales plus the added we'll see's :) Personally, it would take a Mach E with bi-directional charging to catch my interest. Quite happy with our '21's at the moment.
Some of the push for passing the incentives was that EVs were unaffordable to the majority of buyers. But now, I’d like to know if it worked. Do more buyers with incomes under the income limit actually buy EVs? Or are the majority of sales still being made by high income earning households?
I charge my Mach-E with Level 1 at home. I don't have to drive in every day, but even if I did, I would generally be able to keep up on a weekly basis. My commute distance is 50 miles each day I go in. In the winter, I may eventually need a supplemental charge. Since there are chargers at work, this is covered. The F-150 Lightning is great as it has a spare tire, a heat pump, and V2L capability. I look at EVs like I do computers. There is always something better just around the corner, and one could wait forever on that next thing. For 2 car households, I think an EV should be seriously considered for the second car. Not everyone will want one for many reasons, but most should find an EV a viable options for the second car.
My wife just leased a mach e, our first ev. She's hapoy to try lease for the ev, premium with extended battery, otherwise basic. She's happy for now and it was more comfortable coming from her 2015 Escape titanium. Ioniq 5 overwhelmed her and the backseat was not comfortable to me during test drive. Me, I'm looking at EV 9 or comparable as I drive an Explorer Sport.
Would you mind sharing details like lease term, down payment, and lease monthly payment. I am thinking of leasing an EV with extended range while the $7500 can still lower the lease monthly cost.
Just tried to get my dad an Equinox but GM won't take the 7500 off the price, they apply it to the residual now, So that is not the deal you probably think it is.
The $7,500 goes to the finance company so they can pass it along or not. And either way, there are a lot of other ways to add or reduce costs. Our lease is a total of $5,500 for two years on a car with a sticker price of $43k. Hard to beat that!
Picking up a Mach E premium on Monday. Originally wanted a Model Y but Ford has too sweet of a deal right now, and also y’all helped with my decision. Trading in a VW GTI mk8.
If you need a new car-definitely get an EV. The deals for great EVs are too good to pass up. EVs are superior to gas cars in so many ways. The only thing to consider is how convenient is it to charge based upon your residential situation. If you rent an apartment-it could be inconvenient-but if you own-get one.
I believe the tax credits should disappear because they distort the market. Some of the best EV's aren't available in the US because they don't meet the IRA rules. Also the $4000 credit for used EV's selling at $25k is a tremendous pressure on used EV prices and is partially responsible for the high depreciation of new EV's.
We know who will enter the Whitehouse, he who shall not be named, and hates EV's and his unelected VP feel bad for you as your consumer choice is being limited other parts of the world are getting far more choice in EV's thanks to zero or low tariffs. Definitely is a good time before 6th Jan as well.
I will add Ford F-150 lighting if I had money and added it to my Ford Mustang machine E and Lincoln Corsair Grand Touring. Please don’t ever sell nor trade in your Ford Mustang Mach E?
According to other motorheads, EVs aren't fun. I heard from another EV news person from Australia that they are getting about 68 new EVs going over there, while here in the US, we may be getting 20 if that.
In Australia we currently don’t have the huge range of EVs available like other countries. We also don’t have government subsidies anymore or cheap electricity or even free charging offers with sales. Sales are increasing in the EV segment but growth has slowed in the past 12 months. Our EV network is pretty appalling, in my town (35,000 people) the council installed 2 EV charging “pumps”…yep, just 2!
Wait for the EV Crash of 2026: It's going to EPIC, and I predit in every case the depcreciation spiral will exceed both the used 4K and 7500.00 for NEW EV 's that will expire in 2025, For example the 2024 Chevy Eqinox brand new or with under 25,000 miles will be worth just 20K to 25,000 and the 2025 model's will drop a minimum 10K to 15K as they're inventory's explode in 2026, so just be patient you'll save on average 12 to 15K by just waiting until 2026, This primarily apply's to the TESLA's and other brands that qualifed for the expiring Federal TAX incentives, One of the most interestign developments to watch in 2025, is what is Chevy going to decide with the 2026 Chevy BOLT EV ? (are they still going to produce a 100% electric version or not, right now I'de say it's a 50/50 chance it is scraped completely, or goes into a hybrid model only because Chevy does not feel comfortable investing in the 100% EV BOLT with a 30,000 plus price point unless they know they can produce it profitably with a minimum 275 mile range, and still come in under 30,000) Personally I would not buy the 2026 Chevy BOLT EV at even 30,000 with 275 miles of range, unless they inreased the basic warranty to 5 years 60,000 miles like KIA does, and I'de wait to see if TESLA releases the new Juniper Tesla rumored to have a 450 miles of range at under 45,000. The other model to watch closely is the better built Kia EV3 at 350 miles of range might arrive in the U.S.A. by the end of 2025 under 35,000 we will know a great deal more about the future U.S. plans for this model, based on President Trump's tariff policy's, but no one should feel intimidated to feel the need to buy an EV in 2025 because of the expirng tax incentives, market forces of supply and demand will sort this out in 2026 organically,
Great video about the incentives and the challenges of owning an EV without home or work charging. Thanks for also touching on L1 & L2 charging as well. I've owned a 2023 VW ID.4 for 13 1/2 months now, which I absolutely love. I live in an apartment without home charging, but I L1 charge at work for free daily, which easily covers my 37 mile round trip commute even in the winter months. I live in KC which has a fantastic public L2 charging infrastructure with many of them being free. So on the weekends, I can L2 charge for free at my local grocery store while shopping, eating out, going to local parks, etc. I also have very cheap L2 charging next door to the laundromat I frequent so I charge while doing things I'd normally be doing every week anyway, which makes it very convenient.
I know my case scenario isn't the norm but it works for me and was planned prior to buying an EV. I think if you pre plan before buying an EV it can be feasible without home charging for apartment dwellers like myself. But you just can't buy an EV blindly thinking it will be the same as owning an ICE vehicle in terms of convenience, without having a charging plan in place that works for your situation.
I purchased a used 2021 Mach E GT with 25K miles back in October for $36K and I absolutely love it! At the time, I was looking at Tesla models but also looking around for something I would really like and also something I would keep for the long term. And I hella love the Mach E!! BTW I'm a new member to your group. Really love the content!
Only women drive Mach Es
@RONderluck just based off your comment, I can tell that you the type of guy who has never had a girlfriend, or spends all of your free time hanging out with other dudes who don't have girlfriends, or works 3 to 4 different jobs because you have 0 social life.
To comment on my post, with something so juvenile, is not only immature, but, it's damn embarrassing!
You have a lot of growing up to do lil Ronnie. You can't spend the rest of your life posting dumb ass comments on YT. Life has so much to offer. But, if you don't get out of your girlfriends or boyfriends studio apartment, you will never be able to truly enjoy life.
In closing, I hope you learned something from this verbal ass whoopin. I wish you nothing but the best that life has to offer.
Mach E are for EVs is the dumbest thing I have heard
@@headyhere I've read worse😂. A 👎 for my comment would've been sufficient. And while I'm here, shout out to ALL of the beautiful women that drive a Ford Mach E!! Thanks for helping to make our environment and communities a better place to live and thrive 💯💯
@@chrisbigknowledgegarland6366 Wow, you’re way off. I’ve been married for 24 years. 3 kids, 4 dogs and a chinchilla. All of my friends are also married. Had tons of girlfriends as a young man. I’ve been with same company since I was 15. My name isn’t Ronnie, it’s Fletcher. I own a plethora of new car dealerships here in the Chicago area. Lastly, you’re also wrong in saying comment was immature. It wasn’t immature at all. It’s a fact. I have seen plenty of Mach E’s over the past couple years and every single person behind the wheel is always a woman.
Y'all nailed this discussion, and I wish I would've watched this back when I purchased (For a confidence boost that I was making the correct decision/move). I ended up with 11k in rebates and 4k in dealer discounts on the '25 Equinox EV, but electrical vehicles (at that time) were a super unfamiliar territory for me and the process was riddled with moments of second guessing myself.
YES!..we just got our new 24’ Mach e GT & Model Y.
for us, the deals and incentives is hard to pass on.🐎
Congrats!
Do you mind sharing what was OTD price for GT?
In the process of couple of dealers to get otd price.
@@Sugashak212- I am also wondering this.
@martinmoran2530 I ended up changing my mind to Ioniq5 AwD Limited. The Ford dealership were playing games
Great conversation. Much of what you folks talked about is why I just bought my 2025 Equinox RS FWD now. I also agree that level 2 charging is important for EV owners. I had to upgrade my service panel, which cost more than I expected, but it took the anxiety out of charging.
Did you buy or lease? I am considering leasing a new EV. Would you be willing to share details like down payment, lease term, and monthly payment?
Congrats on your Equinox EV! What color did you get? - Liv
Informative thanks for sharing and inspiring that infrastructure is getting better. We just need to have patience. I am enjoying our 23 bolt euv.
The deals I’m seeing are very tempting. I’m considering leasing for a couple of years and then getting my dream car. I’m not holding out for breakthroughs in battery technology, but improvements like cooled seats, a heat pump and a lower price for the GT for example. I’m also considering a 2025 Ioniq 5. When I bought my current car in 21 there was little choice for EV’s and that has changed. So that’s a big improvement.
Yes! Thanks!
My HVJB just went on my 6/22 build date GTPE. 40,228 miles. This happened 12/13.
The repair would have been covered under warranty, but was going to take 1-2 weeks. I decided to trade-in, got $25k. With X-Plan I got about $9k off total for a 24 GT with the performance upgrade and 0% for 72.
While I have no need for a 72 month loan, since it is 0% no reason to rush paying off.
I'd say… YES! Year-of-end sales, plus the incentives still intact, and the fact that 2025 models aren't that much better than 2024 (at least with my EV) makes it a no-brainer. But of course E'loon would want to hamstring the competition. He has never been pro-EV, just pro-power, pro-speed, pro-elitist, and… pro-mammon.
Jeezus bud can't we just keep politics out of buying a great car!?!? Let's make decisions based on it being a good decision for the time we are in.
@@msschill NO.
@@msschill Elon is a garbage human being. I don’t mind someone reminding us all that he is garbage within the EV conversation.
Also, if you watched the video, they literally say why buying a car is political now, not that you shouldn’t know this already based on the horrible administration-to-be’s report.
Thanks, Patrick and Liv! One note on the Bolt EV... I wasn't able to post the review due to family issues, but I reviewed the final MY of the Chevy Bolt EUV. Even though it was the most expensive (Redline) package, its MSRP was actually lower than the MSRP for my entry level, base 2017 Chevy Bolt EV 1LT. So these cars do naturally get cheaper over time, but could you imaging going 5 or 6 years just to save a few thousand dollars off the MSRP? Our time and life experiences are worth way more than that.
Equinox EV 2LT, $1,000 out of pocket at start, $149/month for 24 months and 24,000 miles.
Don’t do it. Software issues and electric motor issues plaque the Equinox EVs
Which state
Is this a deal you got on a lease? If so, was it near SE PA?
@martinmoran2530 you actually believe the original poster? He is so full of it.
@ hahaha, southeast PA?? You poor thing
How can you tell what the tax credits are for used EV’s?
They’re generally $4000
Over Thanksgiving weekend, I got a 2024 blazer EV RS AWD for $38.5k at 0% for 60 months. I thought it was the best timing for me!
Congratulations. They are nice cars.
That's awesome! Congratulations! - Liv
It's better to lease instead of buying an EV!
Sad part is I purchased a used ( 6,000 mile) 23' Hyundai 5 , for $ 35,000 from a dealer that used it for a loaner.
I still have an ICE Ford Fusion Hybrid (2019). I don't have a home charger yet..too expensive to have power lines moved over to the front of my house ($5,000) !
You have electricity at your house right? Why do you need more power lines? Not doubting you, just don’t understand.
@@Molishious need to transfer wires to the front of the house, my electrical box is in the back.
Hey you have a sweet EV though! I honestly might have picked the Ioniq 5 if we could have gotten the cost down to match the Equinox! - Liv
@ My electric company will help with putting in a new electrical panel if you need one to install an EV charger. Maybe your electric company has some program that would help.
End of the year sales plus the added we'll see's :) Personally, it would take a Mach E with bi-directional charging to catch my interest. Quite happy with our '21's at the moment.
Some of the push for passing the incentives was that EVs were unaffordable to the majority of buyers. But now, I’d like to know if it worked. Do more buyers with incomes under the income limit actually buy EVs? Or are the majority of sales still being made by high income earning households?
I charge my Mach-E with Level 1 at home. I don't have to drive in every day, but even if I did, I would generally be able to keep up on a weekly basis. My commute distance is 50 miles each day I go in. In the winter, I may eventually need a supplemental charge. Since there are chargers at work, this is covered.
The F-150 Lightning is great as it has a spare tire, a heat pump, and V2L capability.
I look at EVs like I do computers. There is always something better just around the corner, and one could wait forever on that next thing. For 2 car households, I think an EV should be seriously considered for the second car. Not everyone will want one for many reasons, but most should find an EV a viable options for the second car.
Now is a great time with good deals and the tax credit still available.
Just bought a brand new Mach E GT performance. Never thought id leave audi behind but i couldnt pass up the deals. Basically 12k off of MSRP.
Dang, great deal! Congrats! What color did you get? - Liv
@MachE_VLOG Black. I love black cars.
My wife just leased a mach e, our first ev. She's hapoy to try lease for the ev, premium with extended battery, otherwise basic. She's happy for now and it was more comfortable coming from her 2015 Escape titanium. Ioniq 5 overwhelmed her and the backseat was not comfortable to me during test drive. Me, I'm looking at EV 9 or comparable as I drive an Explorer Sport.
Congrats to your wife! - Liv
Would you mind sharing details like lease term, down payment, and lease monthly payment. I am thinking of leasing an EV with extended range while the $7500 can still lower the lease monthly cost.
@martinmoran2530for our lease, we share all the details here: ua-cam.com/video/alQwvkFnK7k/v-deo.html
Just tried to get my dad an Equinox but GM won't take the 7500 off the price, they apply it to the residual now, So that is not the deal you probably think it is.
The $7,500 goes to the finance company so they can pass it along or not. And either way, there are a lot of other ways to add or reduce costs. Our lease is a total of $5,500 for two years on a car with a sticker price of $43k. Hard to beat that!
Picking up a Mach E premium on Monday. Originally wanted a Model Y but Ford has too sweet of a deal right now, and also y’all helped with my decision. Trading in a VW GTI mk8.
Congratulations! What color did you get? - Liv
@ grabber blue. Same as you guys! It’s the color that attracts the most attention, though star white with the glass roof was 2nd in my choices.
If you need a new car-definitely get an EV. The deals for great EVs are too good to pass up. EVs are superior to gas cars in so many ways. The only thing to consider is how convenient is it to charge based upon your residential situation. If you rent an apartment-it could be inconvenient-but if you own-get one.
Are you guys in CA or CO or something?
CA now. We were in CO but moved 2 years ago. - Liv
It probably is now!
Soon (tm)
I believe the tax credits should disappear because they distort the market. Some of the best EV's aren't available in the US because they don't meet the IRA rules. Also the $4000 credit for used EV's selling at $25k is a tremendous pressure on used EV prices and is partially responsible for the high depreciation of new EV's.
We know who will enter the Whitehouse, he who shall not be named, and hates EV's and his unelected VP feel bad for you as your consumer choice is being limited other parts of the world are getting far more choice in EV's thanks to zero or low tariffs. Definitely is a good time before 6th Jan as well.
I will add Ford F-150 lighting if I had money and added it to my Ford Mustang machine E and Lincoln Corsair Grand Touring. Please don’t ever sell nor trade in your Ford Mustang Mach E?
The only reason we might sell our Mach-E GT is to get a Mach-E Rally!
Thank you for reply! I hope you guys get 2025 ford mustang mach E rally. It be cool because it has heat pump and column shifter.
According to other motorheads, EVs aren't fun. I heard from another EV news person from Australia that they are getting about 68 new EVs going over there, while here in the US, we may be getting 20 if that.
In Australia we currently don’t have the huge range of EVs available like other countries. We also don’t have government subsidies anymore or cheap electricity or even free charging offers with sales. Sales are increasing in the EV segment but growth has slowed in the past 12 months. Our EV network is pretty appalling, in my town (35,000 people) the council installed 2 EV charging “pumps”…yep, just 2!
Tax credits will be gone in a heartbeat…reconciliation.
No they won’t
Can’t wait. This is why I voted for Trump. Bye bye EVs.
NEVER
K
Wait for the EV Crash of 2026: It's going to EPIC, and I predit in every case the depcreciation spiral will exceed both the used 4K and 7500.00 for NEW EV 's
that will expire in 2025, For example the 2024 Chevy Eqinox brand new or with under 25,000 miles will be worth just 20K to 25,000 and the
2025 model's will drop a minimum 10K to 15K as they're inventory's explode in 2026, so just be patient you'll save on average 12 to 15K by just waiting until 2026,
This primarily apply's to the TESLA's and other brands that qualifed for the expiring Federal TAX incentives,
One of the most interestign developments to watch in 2025, is what is Chevy going to decide with the 2026 Chevy BOLT EV ?
(are they still going to produce a 100% electric version or not, right now I'de say it's a 50/50 chance it is scraped completely, or goes into a hybrid model only
because Chevy does not feel comfortable investing in the 100% EV BOLT with a 30,000 plus price point unless they know they can produce it profitably with a minimum
275 mile range, and still come in under 30,000) Personally I would not buy the 2026 Chevy BOLT EV at even 30,000 with 275 miles of range, unless they inreased the basic warranty to
5 years 60,000 miles like KIA does, and I'de wait to see if TESLA releases the new Juniper Tesla rumored to have a 450 miles of range at under 45,000.
The other model to watch closely is the better built Kia EV3 at 350 miles of range might arrive in the U.S.A. by the end of 2025 under 35,000
we will know a great deal more about the future U.S. plans for this model, based on President Trump's tariff policy's,
but no one should feel intimidated to feel the need to buy an EV in 2025 because of the expirng tax incentives,
market forces of supply and demand will sort this out in 2026 organically,
Ev’s are garbage, v8 the way to go
If you like being loud... AND slow.
Go elsewhere troll