Yeah but they'll sacrifice their close friends and family for success. You see how this is all insane? These people have no integrity but will sit up and talk about integrity and people getting their props but they have no integrity... Crazy.
Dont get it twisted. Parks is speaking from deep inside the under belly of the industry. U know producers and engineers really know what goes on when the bright lights are turned off and when the creators are creating and either are, or are not being compensated.
Some people have 10 solid albums but never matched the impact that one album has had. That album is still inspiring the black community, artists and sounds 20 years on. Insane 🔥🔥🔥
S. I haven't heard a single person praise her album massively EVER. That album don't got the influence of Illmatic, All Eyez On Me, MMLP, etc. overhyped.
Mal you buggin Lauryn hill was more than great. She was amazing, legendary. She came out during the golden age of hiphop and dropped a classic. Her first album is better than alot of artist catalogs combined. Its about quality not quantity.
I think the issue is if she didn't actually write at least most of it how can we still hold her in such high regards as an emcee? Outside of the miseducation what else do people really remember her from that excels her into "goat" status?
ascensionofchaos I think they do honestly. The fugees aren't normally the starting point when mentioning Lauryns greatness...it's that amazing album. If other people wrote it and she been keeping it hidden this whole time I can see why people would want to get her Tf outta here lol.
Lauryn showed her skills on the Fugees albums. She showed us how dope she was BEFORE that album. That album wasn’t even a stretch from who she already showed us she was
If they won a lawsuit and settled and part of the settlement was getting money but not the credits, then game over. We don't know what was the deal back then, but I remember hearing those rumors 20 years ago too. I just co-wrote a song for a major artist, I'm credited, but had to give up a lot of the author rights, it's a business move, sometimes, it's better to make 20% of 100 than 50% of 5. I had this situation in 2003 when 2 co-writers of a song said "We don't want rights, we just want a 1000€", but then the song became huge and it generated around 200k of author rights. Sometimes you gotta think for the longterm
But if someone has to sue a person that means it's proven you took from that person. She is suppose to be a conscious(woke) artist. That's not a woke move either. I would never want to take from someone. Stealing is wrong settlement or no settlement. Just be honest if you are a woke artist
@@rodtharose and there is your problem you bought into the image of her being "woke" w/e that means, the music business is a game of numbers, they will do anything and push anything as long as they can make a profit or a flip, you should never believe anything some one says about themselves, we are not what we say we are what we do, there's countless rappers who push an image of coming from street culture, do you believe them? look into the algorithms and understand what metric they are using to qualify "success" and you will understand what the current m.o of the music business is.
Multi-Man Tha Skipso I hear but sometimes it takes a manager or record label to put the bug in an artist’s ear o suggest things Remember that Ne-yo v. Beyonce beef on who wrote Irreplaceable? I remember when the rumor mill spun, beyonce kept saying that she wrote it but other ppl kept saying that wasn’t true. Beyoncé’s dad suggested that ne-yo not be credited on the song as a writer because “it’ll look better if she were the only writer.” Her dad was B’s manager at that time. I don’t know what happened but all of a sudden, ne-yo was letting everybody know that he wrote that #1 song and he is definitely credited along with 4 other people.
@imhellablaq easy to say looking backwards, some people have to learn from mistakes, none of the information coming out about these black artist surprise me, black people don't own the "culture" they birthed, early on it was taken by other races and I can't even knock them for that, have to respect the hussle, but in a culture where yall don't own shit this is what happens your own legends do you dirty and then have the fucking nerve to ask why the new generation is so fucked up.
MrMostear I actually disagree. I got all my solo projects, but also made more money in copyrights and producing writing for other people. You can have both, just handle your business right
They made sure Lauryn Hill wasn't going to release another record. Lauryn produced for Whitney and wrote and produced The Miseducation...... You could tell she wrote those songs.
Lauryn Hill's Unplugged album was one of the greatest projects ever. I think many people sleep and have slept on this album for years. Its authenticity and raw emotion make it timeless. I just feel you have to be at a certain point of understanding within yourself to really appreciate this true masterpiece. Lauryn Hill is a legend and still very misunderstood as an artist
I love Miseducation of Lauryn Hill as much as the next person, but there's no way she can slide with stealing other people's music. We already let her slide with showing up 5 hours late to concerts. She lost the lawsuit to people she stole from and can't even perform the original instrumentation from a single song off of Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. To top it all off, she hasn't made a single thing since. Thank you mal for calling a spade a spade.
MrGNugget None of what you are saying means anything, unless there is proof that she didn't write anything, and there isn't. Until we see some receipts, don't come for Lauryn.
One of the best sonically sounding, lyrically masterful and impactful albums of all time. No one can take that from her, I love how the black community refuses to let it happen. 🐐
bumtree So? No one expects a whole album to be an entirely solo effort and lets not pretend like she lost the case because she didn’t, it was settled. I’ve listened to enough of her fugees material and features to believe that it was a collaborative effort in which she delivered as the lead artist.
There was no reason for her to give her original solo group reason to sue her to hell. I remember it going down. I saw her live with the Fugees twice and held her in the highest regard - but that was a long time ago now. These days I'm a bigger fan of Glasper because he's a relentlessly active musician - and he has no reason to talk shit about Ms Hill. The sad thing is nothing of what he said about her seemed shocking or surprising because his credibility is rock solid. Nobody expected the Miseducation LP to be a Prince-like solo creative masterwork but she insisted on making it out like it was. It's a sad ass tale.
bumtree If the problem is that she didn’t give credit then I don’t see how that is still a big deal or even if it means much at all when they got paid and credited in the end. People just look for any excuse to tear down things people love.
@@sozboy1 I agree with you too. I actually didn't have too strong an opinion on this (because what Glasper said wasn't news to me) but i read her piece on Medium about it and couldn't believe how vile I found it. I thought it was so bad that someone somewhere will force her to delete it if she still cares about having a career. I hope she gets it together or just disappears into her family life. It doesn't feel great criticising her but it's better than pretending she's a victim of a conspiracy because it's less likely she'll get help that way.
About Llauryn , it's not just Her one album, it's also about the classics she made with the Fugees , "If i ruled the world" with Nas. Also with her being one of the first female artist to fuse Hip Hop and R&B and be a great lyricist and Singer at the same time
I swear mtv unplugged was better than the watered down popular music from the album, every song will make you cry if you capable of understanding the depth of what she wrote and sang.
@@chriscash360 how did he hate Cole? And Joe kept saying how he know Cardi didnt write her own shit. And they're literally saying Lauryns album is best of all time.. how are they bashing her?? Yall are way too sensitive
It's not JUST the music, it's her voice. Her voice in itself is real, soulful, smooth, etc. She's amazing. She's about the ppl. She helped transform music with one solo album. She can rap and sing. If you don't feel nothing for her when she sings or raps, it's cool, but let her be. There are arguments about a lot of greats for different reasons and you still can't deny there is something about them that hits you. That's music.
@@maxmeier532 this was like 4 years ago now, so recently I have even accepted that Ms. Hill is no longer who she used to be. 😩😢 I still love her, but I get it. She's incomprible to anyone else for what SHE brought to music tho. That will always be. But, the 90s is gone lol and I guess it is a "you just had to be there" type thing now. ❤
I never thought she wrote that entire album. It was always talked about even out of mouth as a group effort. Now if we’re talking rapping that’s different but she was mostly singing on that album.the same rules didnt apply. Mal tripping saying she overrated though. I listened to that shit last week. It’s still amazing.
She SAID .... "[Musicians] may be able to make suggestions, but you can’t write FOR me,” she continued. “I am the architect of my creative expression. No decisions are made without me. I hire master builders and masterful artisans and technicians who play beautifully, lend their technical expertise, and who translate the language that I provide into beautifully realized music....These are my songs, musicians are brought in because of the masterful way that they play their instruments. I’m definitely looking for something specific in musicians, and I absolutely do hire the best musicians I can find. Not every band had that particular ‘something’ I was looking for. That doesn’t make them bad musicians, just different than what I needed in that particular moment.” She does allow that she may not have been experienced with some traditions of collaborative songwriting. “’The Miseducation’ was the first time I worked with musicians outside of the Fugees [whose] report and working relationship was clear. In an effort to create the same level of comfort, I may not have established the necessary boundaries and may have been more inviting than I should have been,” So fuqqin get it right!!
Get it right! She had to settle outside of court and now she cannot create something similar because shit goes around when you screw over people! If she was that great, she would not need help.....
Not being credited on Lauryn Hills album takes away from a TON of business leverage.. its like being able to say you produced on Micheal Jackson’s “Thriller”... it changes the metrics valuation convo when trying to do other deals..... Without those credits to use as leverage, you will get Joe Budden pre podcast deal offers which are insults to your creativity... 💯💯
I love the album but you all must be outside your minds if you all really think it’s on Thriller. Especially if there’s proof that she didn’t write anything. Even if that’s not true it’s still not on Thriller level. Hell it isn’t even on Off The Wall level.
Boom! That's basically the REAL argument in a nut shell. In Hollywood and the music business you're only as good as your last hit. Nobody cares if you're a nice guy or "really talented" they want to know if you can deliver a money making hit.
Sorry Mal but it's been artist out here releasing music for years and still no classic album. Lauryn Hill only needed that one album to make her a legend. You can still play that album now fourth to back and it still gives you that same feeling it did 15 years ago. Lauryn Hill is not overrated because she has not been making consistent music over the years to be considered underrated. I agree with Joe how we know the writers just wanted to know that they got the opportunity to write on Lauryn hills album. Then after her album became huge it was oh I need my credit and they wanted a piece of the fortune
I love Lauryn but if I went to a concert of hers for every year the last 20 years and she's singing THE SAME SIX, SEVEN, OR TEN SONGS, I'd be pissed like a fire hydrant. I wouldn't put up with that from anyone else, and much as I love Lauryn, I wouldn't put up with it from her either.
@@blondecoffee6332 We all know she hasn't released new music in years so the ppl that go see her concert are obviously expecting her to sing what she already has. Also, most artists are expected to sing their biggest hits, especially if they're no longer making relevant music today. On the contrary fans of older artists dont like hearing the new stuff too much
Let's not forget about what she did with The Fugees. Lauryn was already walking on water before her album even dropped. That 2nd Fugees album and her role in Sister Act II placed her in a category all her own. When Miseducation came out, that was just a continuation of what she had already done.. it was great.. it's still great and it will always be great. And her unplugged album is an underground classic to this day. Open Mics and Cafes all over the country were immediately inspired by what she did with just her voice and her guitar. Allot folk that liked Miseducation weren't really feeling the unplugged album but that doesn't take anything away from the greatness and the impact of that DVD set.
If we are going to totally forget about her contribution to the Fugees albums then this discussion is mute. The Score Blunted on Reality check her verses on those albums. I will put those verses up against any female past present or future.
Life Lessons FACTS Lauryn is a genius solely of of self written songs sung on mtv unplugged I’m praying she actually makes a album out of those songs. Her genius is next level. Her crazy is Savantish people won’t understand what I’m saying. Just wish I could factually know her I.Q. Shit must be off the charts like a diabetic who’s sugar is too high to even record with a machine.
Lauryn didn't lock herself in the studio and came out with that album. She had help from many writers, arrangers, and producers who created the work known as "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill". The work is classic but Lauryn is not in the same breath as Michael, Prince, Stevie, Marley, or Marvin.
BLACK EAR PODCAST aye go listen to quincy jones lol... all them dudes had some help too. altough id say Prince is at the top of the list tho for most original and least amount of help.
Pisces R'us I heard that 13 of 14 songs can't be played live as they appear on the album because of the issues mentioned. I assume that "Zion" is that 14th song.
mmmkay you’re a weirdo he didn’t attack LH he defended her and said screw the ghostwriters if they failed to ask for credit because it’s common practice for many to write in secret and never get credit
I usually like Mal... Why you gotta come for Queen Lauryn Hill? So her Fugees albums don't count? So her acting career with her singing doesn't count? So her freestyles don't count? C'mon, Mal!
L C um... So am I. She first appeared on the Sister Act II soundtrack. She was in the #1 Hip Hop group the Fugees. Freestyling is rapping. All apart of her music career.
They did the instrumentation on the album. All of the ideas and words were Lauryn’s. She had the idea and told them what her vision was...they helped her create it. Empressive did a whole documentary on Lauryn and it explained this situation.
In 2018 An artist can drop an album, 24 hours later is a classic. In 2018 An artist can make a song with no type of message or substance, that person is called immensely talented. But a person that dropped a damn near perfect album 20 years ago is overrated.
She got one hit movie in sister act 2 she got one great group album and one great solo album. She’s Not over rated but she underachieved based on her body of work compared to her status for a music legend.
Exactly, off just that her genius is not reached by anyone else, I mean Nina Simone comes close because of the time she wrote and sang certain things other than that NO body can touch L.H. Adam lives in Theory
The Lauryn Hill hive is strong on UA-cam. Lauryn Hill is great but as a solo artist she had one amazing album. I don’t put Lauryn Hill on the same level with Mariah or Beyoncé or Rihanna. Aaliyah passed away and she had more albums than Lauryn Hill. I even put Alicia Keys ahead of Lauryn Hill. Ok no I’m waiting for the replies.
Unplugged blows everything Lauryn Hill ever did for the culture into obscurity, nothingness! In my humble opinion, unplugged LAURYN exposed the condition of the human experience and is a testament of self realisation and conquering the ego. This project changed my attitude towards my inflated sense of self. It forced me to deal with my narcissism and made me recognize Collective consciousness. For that revelation I am internally grateful. # Spirit having a human experience.
Fatima Amerson Every Cut, anyone that didn’t feel something with every song is sick, she isn’t sick however if her lyrics & self written lyrics don’t move you, your DEAD inside.
Why don't Lauren get no credit for being part of the Fugees, they had at least 1 unbelievable album too which she was part off which she should get credit for not just her solo album
That's what saying. They're talking like she was new. That was her first solo album but not her first album, period. They forget the freestyles she did. Before that album, during that album, and after that album we got the same person. That album was her talking about her life. It was personal. Why would she let someone write that?
There is no telling what happened in those studio sessions but, I've seen live footage of Lauryn hill sing and playing instruments and the shit sounds beautiful enough to bring you to tears. She only has one SOLO album but it still holds up to this day. If we are gonna remove her from her pedestal, then we have completely Wipeout all new artists that are out today. Their live performances sound horrible, they can't play instruments, and all subject matter is the same. They just can't touch lauryn
Ummmm are people forgetting that she was rapping before she put out the album? Who wrote for her then? It's the same style. What did they write? The hook? I can't see her letting somebody write for her. That album is who Lauryn Hill is. Nobody can tell her story but her. Plus if you've heard her after the album when she's just talking, its the same person. They need to stop playing with her.
LuvnAries23 thank you! If I ruled the world, all that I say. Where were they?? Who wrote that??! Who wrote unplugged when all she had was her voice and a guitar? Shit gotta stop man. Name another another female whose had album nearly as impactful as her one.
@Seyi Ajayi They're crazy acting like this was the first time we've heard her. L Boogie is a beast with words, so they need to stop playing with her name and legacy.
No because outlast had how many albums in which to gauge his talent level???? And by the 3rd album they were using a lot of their own production. Bad example.
@@Kristmaz808 dear, I didn't bring up Andre, the poster did. So I responded to his bringing him up....and he does has a solo album...pick your face up at the door!
A lot people not giving props because she only has one album. This one album is still be played and sample and praised 20 years later. Not many R&B singers/ rappers write everything anyway. But that body of work whether she wrote or her daddy did is still a classic.
L-boogie been dope! Period point blank!! She is a mad scientist when it comes to her genius...plz dont get madd she worked as a musician for a major corporation she had some conditions to adhere to im pretty sure her company gave her songs and submitted tools that could use to incorporate...lets be clear tho...Ms Lauryn Hill is DOPE IRREPLACEABLE ONE OF A KIND!
I'm not siding with Mal on this one. Lauryn Hill was great, the issue is that she immediately left after exposing it to us. Hell I'm giving Lauryn the unplugged album, that to was a classic as well and was suppose to be her second album but the label shelved it. I'm not also going with the theory that she didn't write anything or produce anything on the miseducation, I do believe if anything it was a co produced and co-written album but Lauryn was still the hbic with everything. I mean Lauryn went on to write and produce for Whitney, Mary J, Aretha etc. I think as Lauryn mentioned in her statement she made a mistake of not doing business the right way. I do think she went in to making the miseducation of lauryn hill as a organic industry free type situation. Robert was trying to be messy, I think he is butt hurt because his ego couldn't triumph over Lauryn's ego. Lauryn probably set the mood 'that I hired you to play my music my way', and Robert being who Robert is industry fame wise took offense. Like come one Robert knew that auditioning for Lauryn was more of a vibe thing to see if they would mesh well together more then it was a 'I'm better than you/pedestal' type of scenario. He knows that playing live music over the phone will not sound as authentic as it does in person. He is a musician and knows the importance how things sound live and in person. And as Lauryn mentioned if she fucked his friends over so bad, (and he was putting a strong emphasis on friends), why would he then turn around and work with her? which then leads to believe the court case over the album was not as bad as people made it out to be. Again all parties involved agree to a certain stipulation going into this album (Lauryn states this and her story on the situation has never changed). Once they saw the results were much bigger than estimated they wanted more.
Do not shit on Lauryn Hills Unplugged because that shit was so real and raw that shit echoed her talent and explempified why she was able to orchestrate one the greatest albums ever Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. She was too real and refused to sell out and thats why she is a G.O.A.T.
@Mal.....DaVinci didnt need to make 10 'Mona Lisas' to be a great artist. We gotta stop confusing Quantity with Quality. Lauryn Hill is one of the greats.
Mona Lisa is by Leonardo Da Vinci, not Picasso... And both Picasso and Da Vinci did more 'classic' works... So you are incredibly wrong on both points!
She WAS amazing - but Mal is right. There are definitely two sides to the coin - but putting her on such a high pedestal is why she thought she could treat others like peasants. Like SHE said, she's isn't Rita Watson - maybe in real life she just isn't that likeable. No one really knows because she was elusive from the start. I definitely seperate her music from the person she is. Just don't know if she's that great. Her response was narcissistic rambles covered in me me me, trying to pass the blame and gaslighting. She never really denied the claims she said she was unaware. Meaning: He was talking truth.
If she didn’t write any material on the album, I can’t really call her a artist. That makes her strictly a performer. That’s maybe why she’s only had 1 album, people are waiting for her to recreate her artistry, but she needs song writers to write songs for her to perform.
dude stop. no one's claiming she didn't write her lyrics on the Fugees The Score or the Unplugged album and the style and lyrics are in the same vein as Miseducation. You can listen to her freestyle and tell that the woman has skills and creativity
The suit was settled back in 2001 over song writing credits. This is old news. There is no way Lauryn hill did not write at least 90 percent of that album. She of course was helped with arrangements and choruses and melodies in which songwriters to get credit for after they settled in 2001.
But the music DID sound vastly different moving forward, that's the thing and people will say it's blasphemy but I been to the shows where she's late and raspy and singing a funky version and none of it was fun. Add to that her insisting on being called Ms. like cmon! She cant tune her own guitar. You can't compare her to Quincy Jones. Like seriously?! Her credits said she did ALL of it. She had the Tyler Perry credits. Lauryn dodges criticism? Why? Cuz everything is everything? I want her to listen to her own music. The Marley D destroyed her. She was never the same. And her dreds were fake. Smh. I'm just so disappointed in that trajectory because I truly believed in those rhymes. She not even listening to her own words. 😭 As a woman and a fan of her former self, I feel betrayed.
And vice versa Mal diss charla Everytime he's mentioned so do Rory so they the ops to. Even though Joe said him and charla speak often not just the little once a week you see Joe. And they don't mention Joe every bi episode y'all so salty they not beefing
Maybe if Wyclef didn't mess with her on intimate level which kinda messed up her head And being a Rebel in a slave owning industry We just might of heard even more beauty
Not being credited on an album and not writing are two VERY SEPARATE narratives. Y'all gotta be a little more conscious of the impact of your platform.
Native Tongue exactly people don’t understand how hard and petty crediting can be. You can simply suggest I rearrange a sentence I wrote and feel you deserve credit for it.
You can make an impact with own album. She impacted a whole entire generation. There are artists with multiple albums with no impact just sales and popularity.
I really appreciate that Joe and the guys are having this conversation, but we have to ask the question...How are we defining the role of producer in this scenario? Lauryn Hill definitely "Produced" the album "Miseducation.." She produced it in the same manner that Quincy Jones & Michael Jackson produced Thriller. You build your team, you recruit producers, session players, writers, singers, etc. that have the chops, energy, and "right" vibe to deliver in that moment the sound / vision you are seeking for your project. Anything created in the context of those sessions were written from the perspective of what they knew about her musically, lyrically and sonically. She was the point of reference for any ideas as she already had an established "brand", "sound", "approach", "vibe" to draw from. As the "Producer" of this Album, she had the responsibility to select, add, subtract, devise, revise, compose, coach, assign, make suggestions, etc. on the content, direction, sound, and "feel" that was being presented to her for this project. It was obviously a hands on project that she spearheaded and orchestrated. She had a clear direction and "feel" for where she wanted to go as you can tell from the end result which was "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill...". So yes she did "Produce" & "Write" the record WITH a great supporting team. The exact same formula that Quincy & Michael utilized. The only difference is that not all of the players, writers, producers, beat makers were properly credited on her project. As a songwriter, I am definitely an advocate for making sure writers/creators/collaborators are properly credited and that legally everyone is protected for the creative works and contributions that are made to a project, song, artist, etc. I just wish that all the proper credits would have been provided on this project, as it would have prevented this perceived "dark cloud" from hanging over the historical significance of this album. It is a bonafide classic. In the top echelon of classic albums. Definitely in the category of a "Songs In The Key of Life", "Thriller", or "Purple Rain" in terms of its creative value, sonic quality, social impact and pop culture relevance. She had an amazing resume prior to "Miseducation..." but when your first solo album literally redefines a generation of musicians and pop culture its hard to out-do that kind of contribution. Hopefully the individuals who did contribute to this album but were not properly credited and or compensated will find peace in knowing they were part of one of the most important works in popular music history, but leave room in their heart to allow to universe to "repay" them by allowing them to create more work, get more professional paying jobs, teach the next generation of artists/musicians the ropes on the music and BUSINESS side of the process. There are plenty of lessons to be learned on both sides but all in all, most of us are very grateful for that particular body of work and appreciate how it transformed us inside and demanded that our priorities change, or voices be heard and our truth be told. Peace and Blessings to all.
Don't be dismissive of Lauryn Hill's album because she did in one album what it takes other artist several albums to do. Great is great. You don't tell a King to go conquer another land to be considered a king.
Lauren hill solo album more powerful then all drake albums. What we talking about. Her group albums with acting and all. Stop ✋.. Cardi b just broke Lauren hill record.. Minaj couldn't do IT. Beyonce albums can't match miseducation.
JaeKidd17 factz niggas don't know music... beyonce & nicki got all this money but can't make a miseducation type album or can't make records without being sexualized today
Lauryn Hill's album was a great album. However, people should be credited for their work. Cardi broke the record and that album was trash if we're honest. It made no impact at all.
It’s a sonic and visual talent “thing” when it comes to Lauryn Hill. Probably the best female hip hop artist ever. What female rapper (if ever) didn’t get rhymes written for them. If you take her off the pedestal, you have to do the same for Drake, Lil Wayne and all those 2000 - Infinity mainstream artists.
If nas only.made illmatic and retired and some ghostwriting shit came out later would he still be a goat?. Love lauren but she can't be having writers and be a goat
That 1 album still can't be touched to this day. It's a classic. There is 10,000 rap albums a day now with social media. That album is still better than anything after it....period !
Beyoncé has writers. But we don’t discredit her. As does Rihanna and most female artists. Now the line there is lauryn is also a rapper. But we don’t have clarification on who wrote what. Assuming hooks were written for her for songs like doo wap and sweetest thing. Does that discredit her as an artist ?
The miseducation is one of the greatest of all time. What Lauryn achieved is Icon status she came around at the right time from a group we had respect for with an album that was counter culture to what we were hearing and she was undisputably black and more beautiful for it. If you didn't grow up in a certain time you could consider her overrated and I'd take your point but if you were there at the time visiting any member of your families house young or old and hearing this you'd get it
Mal: why do people put her in legendary status Joe: she made one of if not the greatest album of all time Mal: but it's only one album SO BASED ON MARS LOGIC MAKING ONE OF THE GREATEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME DOESN'T MAKE YOU A LEGEND? THIS GUY HERE I TELL YOU BOY!!!!
Mal, like a lot of people are focused on the wrong thing. No matter who wrote/produced, etc. LAURYN SANG IˇT! She delivered. She is not the person we should be cancelling. The album stands. I hope those contributed get what they want. Next Case.
It's one album but she also has her body of work with the Fugees and also ther unplugged albums. Her lyricism is incredible and the production on the Miseducation album is amazing. Overrated? Kick rock man.
You talking 1 Fuggee album that flopped, 1 Fuggee album that blew up and 1 hot solo album. Oh and 1 trash live album. 2 out of 4 doesn't warrant the hype. She can't reproduce it.
One thing mumble rappers have going for them is that they're immune to ghostwriting allegations lol.
big facts
not really
@@Slycoomer56 yes really. If someone is writing these trash ass bars, they need to be fired.
come on man, I read that in marlo's voice loool
Facts, no one wants the credit for trash shit lol...
Parks hit us with a deep one liner "never sacrifice your credit" 💯👌🏾
I did that once... Damn student loans 😔
@@untitled2012 haha and I'm with you there. Them loans will forever be with me lol
Yeah but they'll sacrifice their close friends and family for success. You see how this is all insane? These people have no integrity but will sit up and talk about integrity and people getting their props but they have no integrity... Crazy.
Dont get it twisted. Parks is speaking from deep inside the under belly of the industry. U know producers and engineers really know what goes on when the bright lights are turned off and when the creators are creating and either are, or are not being compensated.
Why not? It's a pain to get paid from major labels anyways. If you are a known ghost, people pay you more than you'd get from credits.
Joe : Mal you ain't gotta slow talk me😂😂😂😂
MXsouthafrica lmao 🤣 I felt him on that
MXsouthafrica LMAO that was funny asl 😂💀👀
This killed me lmaoooo
😂😂😂😂😂 ima use that one day "BITCH DONT TRY N SLOW TALK ME!!!"
Took offense.
Some people have 10 solid albums but never matched the impact that one album has had. That album is still inspiring the black community, artists and sounds 20 years on. Insane 🔥🔥🔥
Exactly!!!
S. I haven't heard a single person praise her album massively EVER. That album don't got the influence of Illmatic, All Eyez On Me, MMLP, etc. overhyped.
Poppa JoSeph Looking at your pic I’m not surprised you haven’t heard about it. The album wasn’t made for you. 👍🏾
@@seltzerwater7933 what??? It received a grammy. It was the FIRST Hip Hop album to EVER receive that award.
S. Wow, just cause I'm not black I'm not allowed to enjoy a piece of music. Nice, go fuck yourself.
Mal you buggin Lauryn hill was more than great. She was amazing, legendary. She came out during the golden age of hiphop and dropped a classic. Her first album is better than alot of artist catalogs combined. Its about quality not quantity.
combined!!!!!!
The only way she can only make money off those songs is to go overseas as a performer.
I think the issue is if she didn't actually write at least most of it how can we still hold her in such high regards as an emcee? Outside of the miseducation what else do people really remember her from that excels her into "goat" status?
Cire Williams do people forget the Fugees? i’m just askin
ascensionofchaos I think they do honestly. The fugees aren't normally the starting point when mentioning Lauryns greatness...it's that amazing album. If other people wrote it and she been keeping it hidden this whole time I can see why people would want to get her Tf outta here lol.
Budden needs to do some research on Mr. Glasper.
renauldo caldwell right. Multiple Grammy winner and Mr. Pump it Up can’t even get his name right.
Joe Budden is like Charlamagne. They say one thing one moment and then switch up their opinion to fit well with the energy in the room.
Lauren will never be overrated, actor, rapper, singer, mother just one of the best to ever do it
This blind loyalty is not conducive to praising true artists & creators. If they didn't write it they are just the puppet and figurehead....
@L C fuck that album. If she wrote her verses on the Fugees albums she's definitely top 20
@L C she ripped on how many mics with the fugees
She's definitely over rated
Donnell Taylor she’s overrated fam
Lauryn showed her skills on the Fugees albums. She showed us how dope she was BEFORE that album. That album wasn’t even a stretch from who she already showed us she was
Her performance was arguably better on The Score…miseducation it was just crazy to see her carry without the group
Lauryn Hill Unplugged is...... absolutely magical.... every time I listen to it... I let some tears fall.
Everyday's another chance
To get it right this time
Everyday's another chance
Oh what a merciful, merciful God....
😭😭😭😭
Xiomara Tha Goddess same!
Xiomara Tha Goddess it really is
@@sagevoid Makes me cry every time
They was Hating on man at the breakfast club #podcastoftheyear
Canon Wildz who Mal or Rhory. There seemed to be a feeling about each one by a different person in some kind of way.
@@BuckleBunny towards the podcast in general but they was Def low key hating... I haven't watched or listened to the breakfast club in a min...
Aka?
Canon Wildz crazy shade
Y'all with Charlamagne and Envy misprouncing Mal name it's not hard to pronounce.
If they won a lawsuit and settled and part of the settlement was getting money but not the credits, then game over. We don't know what was the deal back then, but I remember hearing those rumors 20 years ago too.
I just co-wrote a song for a major artist, I'm credited, but had to give up a lot of the author rights, it's a business move, sometimes, it's better to make 20% of 100 than 50% of 5.
I had this situation in 2003 when 2 co-writers of a song said "We don't want rights, we just want a 1000€", but then the song became huge and it generated around 200k of author rights. Sometimes you gotta think for the longterm
But if someone has to sue a person that means it's proven you took from that person. She is suppose to be a conscious(woke) artist. That's not a woke move either. I would never want to take from someone. Stealing is wrong settlement or no settlement. Just be honest if you are a woke artist
@@rodtharose and there is your problem you bought into the image of her being "woke" w/e that means, the music business is a game of numbers, they will do anything and push anything as long as they can make a profit or a flip, you should never believe anything some one says about themselves, we are not what we say we are what we do, there's countless rappers who push an image of coming from street culture, do you believe them? look into the algorithms and understand what metric they are using to qualify "success" and you will understand what the current m.o of the music business is.
Multi-Man Tha Skipso I hear but sometimes it takes a manager or record label to put the bug in an artist’s ear o suggest things Remember that Ne-yo v. Beyonce beef on who wrote Irreplaceable? I remember when the rumor mill spun, beyonce kept saying that she wrote it but other ppl kept saying that wasn’t true. Beyoncé’s dad suggested that ne-yo not be credited on the song as a writer because “it’ll look better if she were the only writer.” Her dad was B’s manager at that time. I don’t know what happened but all of a sudden, ne-yo was letting everybody know that he wrote that #1 song and he is definitely credited along with 4 other people.
@imhellablaq easy to say looking backwards, some people have to learn from mistakes, none of the information coming out about these black artist surprise me, black people don't own the "culture" they birthed, early on it was taken by other races and I can't even knock them for that, have to respect the hussle, but in a culture where yall don't own shit this is what happens your own legends do you dirty and then have the fucking nerve to ask why the new generation is so fucked up.
MrMostear I actually disagree. I got all my solo projects, but also made more money in copyrights and producing writing for other people. You can have both, just handle your business right
They made sure Lauryn Hill wasn't going to release another record.
Lauryn produced for Whitney and wrote and produced The Miseducation...... You could tell she wrote those songs.
She wrote and produced a song for CeCe Winans
Unlikely given what Robert Glasper said
Lauryn Hill's Unplugged album was one of the greatest projects ever. I think many people sleep and have slept on this album for years. Its authenticity and raw emotion make it timeless. I just feel you have to be at a certain point of understanding within yourself to really appreciate this true masterpiece. Lauryn Hill is a legend and still very misunderstood as an artist
I'm 22 And this album is changing my life every day I play every morning
This album changed my life.
I love Miseducation of Lauryn Hill as much as the next person, but there's no way she can slide with stealing other people's music. We already let her slide with showing up 5 hours late to concerts. She lost the lawsuit to people she stole from and can't even perform the original instrumentation from a single song off of Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. To top it all off, she hasn't made a single thing since. Thank you mal for calling a spade a spade.
Until THEY say it. I don't care.
she's a FRAUD
Damn I hate that you right
Is there any solid proof?
MrGNugget None of what you are saying means anything, unless there is proof that she didn't write anything, and there isn't. Until we see some receipts, don't come for Lauryn.
Overrated comment is a huge reach though... Score was Lauryn Hill... Miseducation was the continuation
One of the best sonically sounding, lyrically masterful and impactful albums of all time. No one can take that from her, I love how the black community refuses to let it happen. 🐐
Actually - they did take that away. She was sued for songwriting credits years ago.
bumtree So? No one expects a whole album to be an entirely solo effort and lets not pretend like she lost the case because she didn’t, it was settled. I’ve listened to enough of her fugees material and features to believe that it was a collaborative effort in which she delivered as the lead artist.
There was no reason for her to give her original solo group reason to sue her to hell. I remember it going down. I saw her live with the Fugees twice and held her in the highest regard - but that was a long time ago now. These days I'm a bigger fan of Glasper because he's a relentlessly active musician - and he has no reason to talk shit about Ms Hill. The sad thing is nothing of what he said about her seemed shocking or surprising because his credibility is rock solid. Nobody expected the Miseducation LP to be a Prince-like solo creative masterwork but she insisted on making it out like it was. It's a sad ass tale.
bumtree If the problem is that she didn’t give credit then I don’t see how that is still a big deal or even if it means much at all when they got paid and credited in the end. People just look for any excuse to tear down things people love.
@@sozboy1 I agree with you too. I actually didn't have too strong an opinion on this (because what Glasper said wasn't news to me) but i read her piece on Medium about it and couldn't believe how vile I found it. I thought it was so bad that someone somewhere will force her to delete it if she still cares about having a career. I hope she gets it together or just disappears into her family life. It doesn't feel great criticising her but it's better than pretending she's a victim of a conspiracy because it's less likely she'll get help that way.
About Llauryn , it's not just Her one album, it's also about the classics she made with the Fugees , "If i ruled the world" with Nas. Also with her being one of the first female artist to fuse Hip Hop and R&B and be a great lyricist and Singer at the same time
Let lauryn live she delivered one of the best projects of all time nothing but love for her
L C Yo "Like Water For Chocolate" is one of my favorite albums from Common besides Resurrection
Yep...Lauryn and them writers that had to sue for credit. Lol
She did this too herself
I swear mtv unplugged was better than the watered down popular music from the album, every song will make you cry if you capable of understanding the depth of what she wrote and sang.
If she didn't write the album she need to get the fuc outta here you not nice with it
Without Lauryn Hill, there is no H.E.R, SZA, Jhene,...c’mon she laid a ground work that is used 2 decades later
One album or not.
GTFOH LOLLLLLLLLL sade got more classics then her lol
they dont even lift up the black community. nigga plz try again. you 70' 80's babies are funny
All those people you mentioned suck..
And if anything, I'd say they're more in line with Aaliyah.. not Lauryn.
jeremy thomas was born in 1991 and Your correct I’d take sade over all of em 💯
Sigrafix
Aaliyah had choreography.. movies.. uptempo joints
do any of those people I named dance?
How bout act?
How bout have uptempo hits?
Oh ok lol
Regardless of who wrote it...its one of the greatest albums ever. JERSEY STAND UP.
These nighaz tripping. Y'all big up cardi and Nicki. But talk down about Lauryn Hill.
thats crazy
Big up Nicki how? They call her out on her bullshit
Facts!! They over hyped that cardi shit, but Joe was quick to hate j. Cole and now Lauryn.
@@chriscash360 how did he hate Cole? And Joe kept saying how he know Cardi didnt write her own shit. And they're literally saying Lauryns album is best of all time.. how are they bashing her??
Yall are way too sensitive
Truuuue
It's not JUST the music, it's her voice. Her voice in itself is real, soulful, smooth, etc. She's amazing. She's about the ppl. She helped transform music with one solo album. She can rap and sing. If you don't feel nothing for her when she sings or raps, it's cool, but let her be. There are arguments about a lot of greats for different reasons and you still can't deny there is something about them that hits you. That's music.
Her voice WAS great, for a minute. Hasnt been for a couple years and wont be. But there's thousands of guys and women with great voices.
@@maxmeier532 this was like 4 years ago now, so recently I have even accepted that Ms. Hill is no longer who she used to be. 😩😢 I still love her, but I get it. She's incomprible to anyone else for what SHE brought to music tho. That will always be. But, the 90s is gone lol and I guess it is a "you just had to be there" type thing now. ❤
Joe always quick to get someone "the hell outa here" 😂😂😂
Joseph McBride 😂😂😂
Joseph McBride Except Lyor😒
I never thought she wrote that entire album. It was always talked about even out of mouth as a group effort. Now if we’re talking rapping that’s different but she was mostly singing on that album.the same rules didnt apply. Mal tripping saying she overrated though. I listened to that shit last week. It’s still amazing.
She SAID .... "[Musicians] may be able to make suggestions, but you can’t write FOR me,” she continued. “I am the architect of my creative expression. No decisions are made without me. I hire master builders and masterful artisans and technicians who play beautifully, lend their technical expertise, and who translate the language that I provide into beautifully realized music....These are my songs, musicians are brought in because of the masterful way that they play their instruments. I’m definitely looking for something specific in musicians, and I absolutely do hire the best musicians I can find. Not every band had that particular ‘something’ I was looking for. That doesn’t make them bad musicians, just different than what I needed in that particular moment.”
She does allow that she may not have been experienced with some traditions of collaborative songwriting. “’The Miseducation’ was the first time I worked with musicians outside of the Fugees [whose] report and working relationship was clear. In an effort to create the same level of comfort, I may not have established the necessary boundaries and may have been more inviting than I should have been,”
So fuqqin get it right!!
Get it right! She had to settle outside of court and now she cannot create something similar because shit goes around when you screw over people! If she was that great, she would not need help.....
Ew you was mad loud and mad wrong lmao gtfoh
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Lauryn Hill is an era, that's why she will always be the 🐐.
yes an era, a wave a feeling, a movement!!
Malachi Ben Yisrael how can she be a goat 🐐 if she didn’t write none of the words
If that’s the case dr.dre , easy e , and diddy all goats
Not being credited on Lauryn Hills album takes away from a TON of business leverage.. its like being able to say you produced on Micheal Jackson’s “Thriller”... it changes the metrics valuation convo when trying to do other deals.....
Without those credits to use as leverage, you will get Joe Budden pre podcast deal offers which are insults to your creativity... 💯💯
m3tech95 soooo u saying the miseducation is on the level of thriller 😊
You don't need credits if it's known in the industry. That way you get paid 5 times more as well.
@@Kristmaz808 yes it is
I love the album but you all must be outside your minds if you all really think it’s on Thriller. Especially if there’s proof that she didn’t write anything. Even if that’s not true it’s still not on Thriller level. Hell it isn’t even on Off The Wall level.
Boom! That's basically the REAL argument in a nut shell. In Hollywood and the music business you're only as good as your last hit. Nobody cares if you're a nice guy or "really talented" they want to know if you can deliver a money making hit.
Sorry Mal but it's been artist out here releasing music for years and still no classic album. Lauryn Hill only needed that one album to make her a legend. You can still play that album now fourth to back and it still gives you that same feeling it did 15 years ago. Lauryn Hill is not overrated because she has not been making consistent music over the years to be considered underrated. I agree with Joe how we know the writers just wanted to know that they got the opportunity to write on Lauryn hills album. Then after her album became huge it was oh I need my credit and they wanted a piece of the fortune
You are gorgeous
I love Lauryn but if I went to a concert of hers for every year the last 20 years and she's singing THE SAME SIX, SEVEN, OR TEN SONGS, I'd be pissed like a fire hydrant. I wouldn't put up with that from anyone else, and much as I love Lauryn, I wouldn't put up with it from her either.
@@blondecoffee6332 We all know she hasn't released new music in years so the ppl that go see her concert are obviously expecting her to sing what she already has. Also, most artists are expected to sing their biggest hits, especially if they're no longer making relevant music today. On the contrary fans of older artists dont like hearing the new stuff too much
Let's not forget about what she did with The Fugees. Lauryn was already walking on water before her album even dropped. That 2nd Fugees album and her role in Sister Act II placed her in a category all her own. When Miseducation came out, that was just a continuation of what she had already done.. it was great.. it's still great and it will always be great. And her unplugged album is an underground classic to this day. Open Mics and Cafes all over the country were immediately inspired by what she did with just her voice and her guitar. Allot folk that liked Miseducation weren't really feeling the unplugged album but that doesn't take anything away from the greatness and the impact of that DVD set.
I would never say Lauryn is overrated, but boy oh boy, her catalog should be much larger. We didn't get the best of her for sure.
If we are going to totally forget about her contribution to the Fugees albums then this discussion is mute. The Score Blunted on Reality check her verses on those albums. I will put those verses up against any female past present or future.
Any male as wel
BIG FKN FACTS 💯
So if Lauryn is overrated because she only had one album is Biggy overrated because he only had two albums?
Nah Biggie was a King. Lauren rides coattails
Two isn't equal to one and Bigs last album was a double disc so he really has 3 albums while alive.
@Life Lessons Obviously you are the one who's bugged out
Life Lessons because biggie on a higher level
Life Lessons FACTS Lauryn is a genius solely of of self written songs sung on mtv unplugged I’m praying she actually makes a album out of those songs. Her genius is next level. Her crazy is Savantish people won’t understand what I’m saying. Just wish I could factually know her I.Q. Shit must be off the charts like a diabetic who’s sugar is too high to even record with a machine.
Lauryn didn't lock herself in the studio and came out with that album. She had help from many writers, arrangers, and producers who created the work known as "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill". The work is classic but Lauryn is not in the same breath as Michael, Prince, Stevie, Marley, or Marvin.
BLACK EAR PODCAST huh?? U don't think the people u listed didn't have help 🤔
BLACK EAR PODCAST aye go listen to quincy jones lol... all them dudes had some help too. altough id say Prince is at the top of the list tho for most original and least amount of help.
You telling me Lauryn's one album puts her on the same list with Prince and Stevie?
Michael didnt write all his music
Kristmaz808 prince didnt
So all I wana know is.... who wrote Zion then??? Because that's her life word for word
Who was running through the six with their woes
@@GiovanniGuinevere lmfao
Pisces R'us I heard that 13 of 14 songs can't be played live as they appear on the album because of the issues mentioned. I assume that "Zion" is that 14th song.
mmmkay you’re a weirdo he didn’t attack LH he defended her and said screw the ghostwriters if they failed to ask for credit because it’s common practice for many to write in secret and never get credit
@mmmkay Joe is defending Lauryn isn't he?
Joe “Ken” Budden with them short shorts 😂
So Lauryn Hill is overrated but Mal said Nicki is top 2 female rappers of all time and she has 4 6/10 albums??? 🤦🏽♀️
I usually like Mal... Why you gotta come for Queen Lauryn Hill? So her Fugees albums don't count? So her acting career with her singing doesn't count? So her freestyles don't count? C'mon, Mal!
Abstruce Dara she doesnt freestyle
Norma Rodriguez did you research that or nah?
L C um... So am I. She first appeared on the Sister Act II soundtrack. She was in the #1 Hip Hop group the Fugees. Freestyling is rapping. All apart of her music career.
Queen?
Abstruce Dara nahh mal kilt that
Anybody saying Lauryn is overrated is a hata. Period.
They did the instrumentation on the album. All of the ideas and words were Lauryn’s. She had the idea and told them what her vision was...they helped her create it. Empressive did a whole documentary on Lauryn and it explained this situation.
Can you share the link 🔗
Don't come for the Queen, Mal. She's up there.
In 2018 An artist can drop an album, 24 hours later is a classic. In 2018 An artist can make a song with no type of message or substance, that person is called immensely talented. But a person that dropped a damn near perfect album 20 years ago is overrated.
Add that Ms. Hill's 20-year-old album is sampled in the albums of other artists (ex. Drake, Kanye, Ne-Yo, the list goes on) in the last 10 years.
She got one hit movie in sister act 2 she got one great group album and one great solo album. She’s Not over rated but she underachieved based on her body of work compared to her status for a music legend.
"Oh shit now the music is 'bout to sound vastly different moving foooorrwaaarrrd" 🤣
That Unplugged Album was all original material and her singing Miseducation Live
Exactly, off just that her genius is not reached by anyone else, I mean Nina Simone comes close because of the time she wrote and sang certain things other than that NO body can touch L.H. Adam lives in Theory
Bars For Dayzz
And it was shit
The Lauryn Hill hive is strong on UA-cam. Lauryn Hill is great but as a solo artist she had one amazing album. I don’t put Lauryn Hill on the same level with Mariah or Beyoncé or Rihanna. Aaliyah passed away and she had more albums than Lauryn Hill. I even put Alicia Keys ahead of Lauryn Hill. Ok no I’m waiting for the replies.
If you didn’t feel anything from her album you probably numb
Unplugged blows everything Lauryn Hill ever did for the culture into obscurity, nothingness! In my humble opinion, unplugged LAURYN exposed the condition of the human experience and is a testament of self realisation and conquering the ego. This project changed my attitude towards my inflated sense of self. It forced me to deal with my narcissism and made me recognize Collective consciousness. For that revelation I am internally grateful. # Spirit having a human experience.
Fatima Amerson Every Cut, anyone that didn’t feel something with every song is sick, she isn’t sick however if her lyrics & self written lyrics don’t move you, your DEAD inside.
Why don't Lauren get no credit for being part of the Fugees, they had at least 1 unbelievable album too which she was part off which she should get credit for not just her solo album
That's what saying. They're talking like she was new. That was her first solo album but not her first album, period. They forget the freestyles she did. Before that album, during that album, and after that album we got the same person. That album was her talking about her life. It was personal. Why would she let someone write that?
There is no telling what happened in those studio sessions but, I've seen live footage of Lauryn hill sing and playing instruments and the shit sounds beautiful enough to bring you to tears. She only has one SOLO album but it still holds up to this day. If we are gonna remove her from her pedestal, then we have completely Wipeout all new artists that are out today. Their live performances sound horrible, they can't play instruments, and all subject matter is the same. They just can't touch lauryn
she can barely play 3 chords on a guitar, but she can pretend to pretty well.
Ummmm are people forgetting that she was rapping before she put out the album? Who wrote for her then? It's the same style. What did they write? The hook? I can't see her letting somebody write for her. That album is who Lauryn Hill is. Nobody can tell her story but her. Plus if you've heard her after the album when she's just talking, its the same person. They need to stop playing with her.
LuvnAries23 thank you! If I ruled the world, all that I say. Where were they?? Who wrote that??! Who wrote unplugged when all she had was her voice and a guitar? Shit gotta stop man. Name another another female whose had album nearly as impactful as her one.
@Seyi Ajayi They're crazy acting like this was the first time we've heard her. L Boogie is a beast with words, so they need to stop playing with her name and legacy.
Biggie has two albums is he overrated?
Yes hes overrated and he aint in my top ten
At least he did two. I bet if he was still living, he would've done more. Lauryn is still alive... still has one album.
Hell naw them 2 albums he put out are 2 of the greatest albums ever made
N O P E! When it's flawless, influences the culture & niggas decades later STILL can't touch it, it's not overrated.
Biggie got murdered so the comparison is stupid
Mal and Rorry YALL GOTTA CLAP BACK AT THE BREAKFAST CLUB, They was hating on yall!! Joe handled them well!👍🏽
Thats like saying Andre 3000 is overrated
No because outlast had how many albums in which to gauge his talent level???? And by the 3rd album they were using a lot of their own production. Bad example.
Dorian Grey Andre has no solo albums HUSH the HELL up 🤦🏾♀️
mmmm speakerboxx Love Below??? Cause Love Below was an Andre Album
@@Kristmaz808 dear, I didn't bring up Andre, the poster did. So I responded to his bringing him up....and he does has a solo album...pick your face up at the door!
Lungelo Baba love below is his only solo project such as Lauryn. hence the comparison ding ding ding
A lot people not giving props because she only has one album. This one album is still be played and sample and praised 20 years later. Not many R&B singers/ rappers write everything anyway. But that body of work whether she wrote or her daddy did is still a classic.
L-boogie been dope! Period point blank!! She is a mad scientist when it comes to her genius...plz dont get madd she worked as a musician for a major corporation she had some conditions to adhere to im pretty sure her company gave her songs and submitted tools that could use to incorporate...lets be clear tho...Ms Lauryn Hill is DOPE IRREPLACEABLE ONE OF A KIND!
I still listen to her album to this day. It’s a great body of work.
I'm not siding with Mal on this one. Lauryn Hill was great, the issue is that she immediately left after exposing it to us. Hell I'm giving Lauryn the unplugged album, that to was a classic as well and was suppose to be her second album but the label shelved it. I'm not also going with the theory that she didn't write anything or produce anything on the miseducation, I do believe if anything it was a co produced and co-written album but Lauryn was still the hbic with everything. I mean Lauryn went on to write and produce for Whitney, Mary J, Aretha etc. I think as Lauryn mentioned in her statement she made a mistake of not doing business the right way. I do think she went in to making the miseducation of lauryn hill as a organic industry free type situation.
Robert was trying to be messy, I think he is butt hurt because his ego couldn't triumph over Lauryn's ego. Lauryn probably set the mood 'that I hired you to play my music my way', and Robert being who Robert is industry fame wise took offense. Like come one Robert knew that auditioning for Lauryn was more of a vibe thing to see if they would mesh well together more then it was a 'I'm better than you/pedestal' type of scenario. He knows that playing live music over the phone will not sound as authentic as it does in person. He is a musician and knows the importance how things sound live and in person. And as Lauryn mentioned if she fucked his friends over so bad, (and he was putting a strong emphasis on friends), why would he then turn around and work with her? which then leads to believe the court case over the album was not as bad as people made it out to be. Again all parties involved agree to a certain stipulation going into this album (Lauryn states this and her story on the situation has never changed). Once they saw the results were much bigger than estimated they wanted more.
Lauren hill is a legend
period
DEE a legend FRAUD
Norma Rodriguez who asked you
u ignorant like dat fool mal
Do not shit on Lauryn Hills Unplugged because that shit was so real and raw that shit echoed her talent and explempified why she was able to orchestrate one the greatest albums ever Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. She was too real and refused to sell out and thats why she is a G.O.A.T.
@Mal.....DaVinci didnt need to make 10 'Mona Lisas' to be a great artist. We gotta stop confusing Quantity with Quality. Lauryn Hill is one of the greats.
Name another painting by him no you don't need to greatness in the end is greatness even if it's one time
mfs is so dumb its funny
stickshiftt this is fucking hilarious !!!! 😂😂😂. Try “Girl before a Mirror” or “The Weeping Woman” maybe....
Mona Lisa is by Leonardo Da Vinci, not Picasso...
And both Picasso and Da Vinci did more 'classic' works...
So you are incredibly wrong on both points!
SHE AIN'T SZA
She WAS amazing - but Mal is right. There are definitely two sides to the coin - but putting her on such a high pedestal is why she thought she could treat others like peasants. Like SHE said, she's isn't Rita Watson - maybe in real life she just isn't that likeable. No one really knows because she was elusive from the start.
I definitely seperate her music from the person she is. Just don't know if she's that great. Her response was narcissistic rambles covered in me me me, trying to pass the blame and gaslighting. She never really denied the claims she said she was unaware. Meaning: He was talking truth.
The breakfast club was hating on Joe
Mark Lap you can tell the industry niggas be talk bout him
did we watch the same interview? lol
Charlamagne is jealous and him and Envy were still big butt hurt over the way Rory and Mal tear their asses up on the podcast.
i dead azz think cthagod jealous of Joe.... oh hating azz Cancer lolololol
No they weren't.. you all really just be on Joe's nuts too much 4real 4real
Joe talks a lot but says very little.still waiting to hear something insightful or controversial.
... in this case... he is right...
If she didn’t write any material on the album, I can’t really call her a artist. That makes her strictly a performer. That’s maybe why she’s only had 1 album, people are waiting for her to recreate her artistry, but she needs song writers to write songs for her to perform.
Geraldo S go listen to unplugged she wrote that and it was lyrically a master piece
Nah, being a singer still gives you the title of artist.. ie the term “recording artist “ songwriter is a different convo.. but singing is an art
Blu September An artist creates.
dude stop. no one's claiming she didn't write her lyrics on the Fugees The Score or the Unplugged album and the style and lyrics are in the same vein as Miseducation. You can listen to her freestyle and tell that the woman has skills and creativity
The Tape Over the Beats By Dre Makes Sense Now. They Were Closing the Spotify Deal & Beats are Apple.
Spotify Was Having NONE of that. Lol
IKE Mitchell i figured that out when he used the marker for it 🤣🤣🤣 marker before the tape lmao
Mal bugging get the strap
Nah yall buggin she stole and didn't give credit
@@urekmazino6800 talking about the overrated . I don't condone robbing people Idk what happened
@@mrj5695 idk me personally she'll never be on the level on mj and prince or Quincy. Only made one album and had alot of help.
Spooder Man quincy made rashida jones so i’m rocking with this nigga
facts!
The suit was settled back in 2001 over song writing credits. This is old news. There is no way Lauryn hill did not write at least 90 percent of that album. She of course was helped with arrangements and choruses and melodies in which songwriters to get credit for after they settled in 2001.
But the music DID sound vastly different moving forward, that's the thing and people will say it's blasphemy but I been to the shows where she's late and raspy and singing a funky version and none of it was fun. Add to that her insisting on being called Ms. like cmon! She cant tune her own guitar. You can't compare her to Quincy Jones. Like seriously?! Her credits said she did ALL of it. She had the Tyler Perry credits. Lauryn dodges criticism? Why? Cuz everything is everything? I want her to listen to her own music. The Marley D destroyed her. She was never the same. And her dreds were fake. Smh. I'm just so disappointed in that trajectory because I truly believed in those rhymes. She not even listening to her own words. 😭 As a woman and a fan of her former self, I feel betrayed.
I lost a bit of respect for Mal after doing Lauryn Hill like that. Smh
facts but will big up sabrina claudio racist ass! smdh
Charla the opps, I hope Joe realize that. They always be sneak dissing the podcast on brilliant idiots
BEDCORN it’s competition , joe throw shots too on the low .
And vice versa Mal diss charla Everytime he's mentioned so do Rory so they the ops to. Even though Joe said him and charla speak often not just the little once a week you see Joe. And they don't mention Joe every bi episode y'all so salty they not beefing
Victor Morales & Dark n Lovely Fair enough
@@BEDCORN I'm just saying they do it to each other.
Are we forgetting who was SPITTIN the most from the Fugees?!?!
Maybe if Wyclef didn't mess with her on intimate level which kinda messed up her head And being a Rebel in a slave owning industry We just might of heard even more beauty
"Not taking nothing away from her, but.." = I'm about hate and take some things away from her
Not being credited on an album and not writing are two VERY SEPARATE narratives. Y'all gotta be a little more conscious of the impact of your platform.
Native Tongue exactly people don’t understand how hard and petty crediting can be. You can simply suggest I rearrange a sentence I wrote and feel you deserve credit for it.
You can make an impact with own album. She impacted a whole entire generation. There are artists with multiple albums with no impact just sales and popularity.
I was just a skinny girl... skinny legs and press and curls my mommy always thought I be a star..-The Queen........ the greatest album!!!
So many folks in the early 90s have worked without credit.. she’s wrong but doesn’t diminish her work.
Miseducation might be the greatest hip hop r&b album ever made.
I really appreciate that Joe and the guys are having this conversation, but we have to ask the question...How are we defining the role of producer in this scenario? Lauryn Hill definitely "Produced" the album "Miseducation.." She produced it in the same manner that Quincy Jones & Michael Jackson produced Thriller. You build your team, you recruit producers, session players, writers, singers, etc. that have the chops, energy, and "right" vibe to deliver in that moment the sound / vision you are seeking for your project. Anything created in the context of those sessions were written from the perspective of what they knew about her musically, lyrically and sonically. She was the point of reference for any ideas as she already had an established "brand", "sound", "approach", "vibe" to draw from. As the "Producer" of this Album, she had the responsibility to select, add, subtract, devise, revise, compose, coach, assign, make suggestions, etc. on the content, direction, sound, and "feel" that was being presented to her for this project. It was obviously a hands on project that she spearheaded and orchestrated. She had a clear direction and "feel" for where she wanted to go as you can tell from the end result which was "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill...". So yes she did "Produce" & "Write" the record WITH a great supporting team. The exact same formula that Quincy & Michael utilized. The only difference is that not all of the players, writers, producers, beat makers were properly credited on her project. As a songwriter, I am definitely an advocate for making sure writers/creators/collaborators are properly credited and that legally everyone is protected for the creative works and contributions that are made to a project, song, artist, etc. I just wish that all the proper credits would have been provided on this project, as it would have prevented this perceived "dark cloud" from hanging over the historical significance of this album. It is a bonafide classic. In the top echelon of classic albums. Definitely in the category of a "Songs In The Key of Life", "Thriller", or "Purple Rain" in terms of its creative value, sonic quality, social impact and pop culture relevance. She had an amazing resume prior to "Miseducation..." but when your first solo album literally redefines a generation of musicians and pop culture its hard to out-do that kind of contribution. Hopefully the individuals who did contribute to this album but were not properly credited and or compensated will find peace in knowing they were part of one of the most important works in popular music history, but leave room in their heart to allow to universe to "repay" them by allowing them to create more work, get more professional paying jobs, teach the next generation of artists/musicians the ropes on the music and BUSINESS side of the process. There are plenty of lessons to be learned on both sides but all in all, most of us are very grateful for that particular body of work and appreciate how it transformed us inside and demanded that our priorities change, or voices be heard and our truth be told. Peace and Blessings to all.
Parks droppin' Gems 💎💎💎
Don't give me details, that don't give details...LMFAOOO
What about her work in the Fugees? And why can’t Unplugged be counted for something? Unplugged was amazing.
Don't be dismissive of Lauryn Hill's album because she did in one album what it takes other artist several albums to do. Great is great. You don't tell a King to go conquer another land to be considered a king.
Lauren hill solo album more powerful then all drake albums. What we talking about. Her group albums with acting and all. Stop ✋.. Cardi b just broke Lauren hill record.. Minaj couldn't do IT. Beyonce albums can't match miseducation.
JaeKidd17 factz niggas don't know music... beyonce & nicki got all this money but can't make a miseducation type album or can't make records without being sexualized today
Lauryn Hill's album was a great album. However, people should be credited for their work. Cardi broke the record and that album was trash if we're honest. It made no impact at all.
U can tell drake runs the game. The topic isnt about drake an somehow he is mentioned. 🤣🤣🤣
@@fckyoperm253
Exactly... cardi album was trash but people talking about her beating Laurens record. Does that mean she is better than lauren???
please dont compare Lauryn the fraud to Drake
If she didn't penned that whole album then she can't be talk about as one of the best to do it.
It’s a sonic and visual talent “thing” when it comes to Lauryn Hill. Probably the best female hip hop artist ever. What female rapper (if ever) didn’t get rhymes written for them. If you take her off the pedestal, you have to do the same for Drake, Lil Wayne and all those 2000 - Infinity mainstream artists.
Nah Mal. Im not even 3 minutes in. You wilding son.
Lauryn was soo nice Nas was scared to let her kick a verse on *If I Ruled The World* nigga lmaooooo
If nas only.made illmatic and retired and some ghostwriting shit came out later would he still be a goat?. Love lauren but she can't be having writers and be a goat
Deanz Beber illmatic is so good it’s almost unbelievable. nas wrote that at 17/18. it still blows my mind decades later.
That 1 album still can't be touched to this day. It's a classic. There is 10,000 rap albums a day now with social media. That album is still better than anything after it....period !
Beyoncé has writers. But we don’t discredit her. As does Rihanna and most female artists. Now the line there is lauryn is also a rapper. But we don’t have clarification on who wrote what. Assuming hooks were written for her for songs like doo wap and sweetest thing. Does that discredit her as an artist ?
Beyonce and Rihanna not rappers tho
The miseducation is one of the greatest of all time. What Lauryn achieved is Icon status she came around at the right time from a group we had respect for with an album that was counter culture to what we were hearing and she was undisputably black and more beautiful for it. If you didn't grow up in a certain time you could consider her overrated and I'd take your point but if you were there at the time visiting any member of your families house young or old and hearing this you'd get it
Miseducation was the most requested album when i burned CDs this was probably 10 years after Lauryn stopped making music...
@@Kristmaz808 damn burning CDs now that takes me back
Mal: why do people put her in legendary status
Joe: she made one of if not the greatest album of all time
Mal: but it's only one album
SO BASED ON MARS LOGIC MAKING ONE OF THE GREATEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME DOESN'T MAKE YOU A LEGEND? THIS GUY HERE I TELL YOU BOY!!!!
One flaw in y’all conversations is.... life doesn’t work like that... who actually gets credit for everything they do
Mal, like a lot of people are focused on the wrong thing. No matter who wrote/produced, etc. LAURYN SANG IˇT! She delivered. She is not the person we should be cancelling. The album stands. I hope those contributed get what they want. Next Case.
Lauryn Hill will always be the best. Her album was grasping black female conscious at that time. She will always be the best
The content on Miseducation of Lauryn Hill and the MTV unplugged is still highly relevant today.
Facts she was teaching us too ... and yet we are here!! Its just crazy how they debating this 20 years ago... how fickle peoples memories are
It's one album but she also has her body of work with the Fugees and also ther unplugged albums. Her lyricism is incredible and the production on the Miseducation album is amazing. Overrated? Kick rock man.
You talking 1 Fuggee album that flopped, 1 Fuggee album that blew up and 1 hot solo album. Oh and 1 trash live album. 2 out of 4 doesn't warrant the hype. She can't reproduce it.
Lauryn Hill has the best female rap album of all time period. Fugees had great albums as well . Miseducation is probably a top 10 album in music ever.
Starting at the Miseducation like she didn't carry the Fugees on her back for two albums prior to the Miseducation. And yes, Unplugged is fire.