Commodore 1541 Floppy Drive Repair - pt 1

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  • @TechTangents
    @TechTangents  6 років тому +58

    The dark lines at the end of the video (and other parts) are my camera's sensor overheating. I use a Nikon D5300 and it is not "meant" for video. So it isn't well suited to the task.
    I'll just preempt some comments by saying, no I cannot actively cool the camera in any way. Cold boxes for stellar photography are the closest I could get, but that isn't a real solution for having to shoot video all the time. It would be extremely impractical.

    • @dhowser2008
      @dhowser2008 6 років тому +2

      You are supposed to use Load "$" ,8,1 when loading from the 1541.

    • @keithdunn521
      @keithdunn521 6 років тому

      @@dhowser2008 Are you sure? I used Load"$",8 on mine and didnt have any problems that I remember (It was 25 years ago though...) :) I only used ,1 to load games that needed it.

    • @Blink_____
      @Blink_____ 6 років тому +1

      @@keithdunn521 I always used Load "*",8,1 myself. picked it up off a random game disk label and just went with it.

    • @szahm1968
      @szahm1968 6 років тому +7

      @@keithdunn521 , you are correct. LOAD "$",8 is the correct syntax for loading the directory. Adding ,1 to this statement can result in a garbled screen as the ,1 command tells the computer to load to the specified address saved in the program. Since the directory is not a valid "program", the computer has no idea where to load it. The "Device not Present" error has nothing to do with the load command issued and everything to do with a faulty chip. Regards.

    • @StephanWijering
      @StephanWijering 6 років тому

      @@Blink_____ or ,9 if my memory serves me right, with a second Diskdrive.

  • @johnkeates9434
    @johnkeates9434 6 років тому +97

    @AkBKukU Contrary to your last line, a video about debugging old hardware without solving it at first try is pretty good. Not every case of repair needs to be sugar coated to be enjoyable to follow.

    • @DEMENTO01
      @DEMENTO01 6 років тому +2

      Agreed

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +2

      Agreed!

    • @Tallefer
      @Tallefer 6 років тому +3

      Well, yeah, but if you are emotionally invested in this (and I presume most of us here are), you can feel almost the same frustration as the author had. :) And, unfortunately, not everyone can consciously differentiate the source of it...
      Fortunately, as of now, most viewers are happy with what they saw. :)

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +1

      Flame Well, his videos are not just about entertainment, but also learning.
      Many people will learn very much in these videos, and when its a failure usually they learn more. And this wont be a single part video, it will likelly have a part 2, where he probably adresses a mistake or something he passed through and didnt see. And probably show some extra content there.
      You learn with what he did right, like the latch, like the painting, but also learn with for example the tinning wich isnt the best option to make contact, and also with what he didnt do so well, or a mistake he could have made.

    • @Tallefer
      @Tallefer 6 років тому +2

      I agree, with the promise of part two it's totally fine. :)

  • @pepzi_
    @pepzi_ 6 років тому +52

    What you need is a Dead Test Cartridge! It will test all chips, and show what is working properly and what isn't. They are pretty cheap on Ebay and very useful to have :) It's been a long time since I powered on my 1541, but I'm pretty sure the power light normally blink when powered when not connected to a computer.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому +3

      You mean the diagnostics ROM + harness (recently reproduced as "check64"), which requires a lot of the computer to be working already ... dead test can be useful when you get a black screen, but fails with indepth diagnostics.

    • @pepzi_
      @pepzi_ 6 років тому +2

      @@1337Shockwav3 Ah, yes you are correct!

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому +5

      Dead Test Redemption?
      ;-)

    • @andrewbarnett84
      @andrewbarnett84 6 років тому

      @@RogerBarraud Hi Roger, If you remember I used to repair those things, a long time ago. I might have a circuit of a clone version at least. Somewhere.

  • @ozzie_goat
    @ozzie_goat 6 років тому +108

    I've never seen a chip jump out of its socket before.

    • @daviddavidsonn3578
      @daviddavidsonn3578 6 років тому +8

      it's afraid!

    • @nacabaro3737
      @nacabaro3737 6 років тому +3

      Neither did, what type of sorcery is this?

    • @siliconinsect
      @siliconinsect 6 років тому +4

      i have. Trick is to form a small nylon zip-tie underneath the socket and use pliers to make it as tight as possible.

    • @MrPocketrocketgaming
      @MrPocketrocketgaming 6 років тому +4

      It must have had an electric shock.

    • @SpearM3064
      @SpearM3064 6 років тому +6

      I have! I own two Commodore 64's, both fully functional. (Well, one's a C64, the other's a 64C.) On the C64, when it heats up, the SID chip pops out of the socket, and the computer crashes.
      I was able to fix it with an old Lego. I just took a rasp and filed it down to the right height, then glued it to the top of the SID chip so that when the case is closed, it puts enough pressure on it to keep it in the socket. Problem solved. :)

  • @tigerstein
    @tigerstein 6 років тому +43

    Here in Europe, especially in the former eastern block like Hungary, the datasette was the goto storage device for the c64. The floppy drive was really expensive, so not many people had it.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому +15

      Used to be the same in Germany, til the price dropped ... at the beginning the 1541 was more expensive than the computer itself.

    • @mindphaserxy
      @mindphaserxy 6 років тому +2

      Here in the United States a lot of the toy stores and retailers had C64 packages with the disk drive bundled. My parents got a C64C and the newer 1541 drive for like $199 in 1987 (well after the C128 and Amiga released). In North America the best games and software came on floppy disk. The 5.25" floppy is ubiquitous with 1980s computing in America. Of course the following year my dad realized how out of date the C64 was and bought an IBM AT clone....with 20MB hard drive and you guessed it...a 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drive. Ironically copying disks and games happened far more with that IBM compatible than the C64. Was a lot easier with a DOS PC that had a fixed disk. Not so much on the C64 :D

    • @draggonhedd
      @draggonhedd 6 років тому +2

      In the US, the floppy was king. We almost never saw cassette tapes for any computers.

    • @waltherstolzing9719
      @waltherstolzing9719 6 років тому

      As a 10 year old in Turkey, I remember saving money for 2 years straight, so I could afford a 1541-II. I'm pretty sure it was more expensive than the C64 itself.

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 6 років тому +7

      The 1541 is really a computer all by itself with a 6502 and two 6522 VIA chips a ROM and 2K of RAM. Taking chip count and the drive mechanism into account, along with the beefy transformer and chassis, it almost certainly cost more than the C64 to manufacture.

  • @rakslice
    @rakslice 6 років тому +25

    I feel like this is the first unboxing video I've seen that featured the contents of the box being poked with a stick :D

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому +5

      "Mostly Harmless"
      :-)

    • @ropersonline
      @ropersonline 6 років тому +3

      That part was genius-level comedy. Totally casual delivery too.

  • @SparksNZeros
    @SparksNZeros 6 років тому +17

    This might be useful for future repairs but I discovered that the plastic of c64's (and a lot of old home consoles too like the NES) can be repaired using Tamiya modellers plastic cement, it's about the same price as super glue for a huge quantity given how little you need. It takes longer to bond than super glue but it reconnects the pieces on a molecular level so strongly that it's often the case that if it does break again it'll break somewhere entirely different, if applied cleanly you can sometimes get it to look as if it never broke in the first place. For screw posts and any part of a casing that is likely to be stressed this kind of repair is massively more preferable as super glue gets increasingly more crystalline and brittle as it ages or gets hot and cold.

    • @DEMENTO01
      @DEMENTO01 6 років тому +4

      OMG thank you so much for the info, I didn't know about it and I really need this for a lot of projects

    • @ThePillenwerfer
      @ThePillenwerfer 6 років тому +2

      If it's ABS acetone would probably work as well.

    • @zsigmondkara
      @zsigmondkara 6 років тому +2

      Acetone makes ABS brittle

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +1

      And if thats not possible, or the material is different you can aways use cotton with superglue to create this sort of fiberglass. It seems to be strong too

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому

      ThePillenwerfer It would melt a bit, it could end up very brittle

  • @szahm1968
    @szahm1968 6 років тому +23

    Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the "Device not Present" error can be caused not only from a faulty CIA #1 (U1), faulty 6510 CPU or resistors at R28, R29, and R30, but can also be caused by a bad 7406 Logic chip (U8). This chip is soldered in and not part of the standard chips to swap when troubleshooting. Disregard the comment about the 7406 logic chip if your board assembly is 250469. Great video.

  • @MarkTheMorose
    @MarkTheMorose 6 років тому +61

    34:33 Aaiieee! Don't plug anything in to a C64 while the power is on! That's exactly how CIA chips die.

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      Where did he do that in the video?

    • @MarkTheMorose
      @MarkTheMorose 6 років тому +2

      @@RogerBarraud Er, at the time reference mentioned.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому +1

      Ironically I've seen people do that dozens of times (including myself by accident) yet no dead CIAs so far.

    • @v4lgrind
      @v4lgrind 6 років тому +7

      @@1337Shockwav3 99 times out of a hundred it works. The 100th you get a damaged CIA

    • @alerey4363
      @alerey4363 6 років тому +1

      peripherals can (and they have been developed that way) be plugged in and out while the computer is on (joysticks, printer, disk drives); cartridges on the other hand are a sure risk of frying your logic board and/or the cartridge itself if you insert or remove them from the expansion ports

  • @kurtreber9813
    @kurtreber9813 5 років тому +1

    The number "1541" will always be special to me because of using this drive back in the 80s.

  • @siliconinsect
    @siliconinsect 6 років тому +11

    I became an expert on Commodore stuff around age 10.
    My school had upgraded from C64's to Apple IIGS's but there were never any good games to take advantage of the IIGS -- just crappy old MECC stuff and other things for the //e. I found copies of Pole Position, that Super Mario knockoff, and others for the C64. Somehow I became somewhat popular during the winter months because I figured out how to play video games in school.
    Never being a very social social person I preferred the machines instead of people during recess -- the Commodores in particular. We had stacks of classic C64s and a few 128s, 1541 and 1702 drives, etc. I'd take them apart, figure out what was wrong, swap components around, even met my first girlfriend this way by showing her electronics. In the end my principal sold me every system (including the 1702 monitors) for $1/piece.
    Also... The appropriate drive for your C64 would be the 1541 mk II. It matches the case and might be easier to repair should you get the serial working.
    Great video as usual!

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      LOL - a friend of mine met his wife because she heard he could fix transistor AM radios :-)

    • @Okurka.
      @Okurka. 6 років тому +1

      "became an expert ... around age 10"
      No, you didn't.

    • @siliconinsect
      @siliconinsect 6 років тому

      Maybe not a total expert but I know my way around these things. Drilled holes to solder leads for ,8 and ,9 selection switches in and have done PSU repairs in many of these and other old drives.
      The Atari 1050's were real turds.

  • @Blink_____
    @Blink_____ 6 років тому +27

    for grounding points I would have sanded the paint off around the area you intended to place solder.. just the way I'd do it.

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +1

      And add some tin using a solderong iron so the contact wont rust again.

    • @cbmeeks
      @cbmeeks 6 років тому +2

      I would have also painted it with some Rustoleum or something equivalent to prevent rust. I don't know that a clear coat would stop rusting under the clear coat.

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому

      cb meeks Well... If you sanded down the rust off, it wouldnt have any rust process anymore. The clear coat would insulate the metal from the air, so air wouldnt get in contact with the metal again, thus stopping rust.

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      @@eduardoavila646 Did you not watch the video?

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      @@cbmeeks Fishoilene FTW!!11!!
      :-/

  • @inkrpen
    @inkrpen 6 років тому +1

    I really liked seeing how you diagnosed the issues on this Commodore. As a repair technician I really appreciate seeing how people figure out what is wrong with something. Keep up the good work and I can't wait for your next videos!

  • @dennisp.2147
    @dennisp.2147 6 років тому +15

    The potted power supplies on these are ticking timebombs.

    • @IanC14
      @IanC14 6 років тому +2

      There's people that make replacement power supplies, thankfully.

    • @gettingpast4391
      @gettingpast4391 4 роки тому

      @@IanC14 lots of replacement power supplies of the exact same design (7805)

  • @eduardoavila646
    @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +2

    This video was awesome! Having problems, failing at something makes you many times learn even more!
    And actually, you can even make watching a paint dry interesting, dont worry about that.

  • @excessionary
    @excessionary 4 роки тому

    Thank you for including all the experiments, troubleshooting, and issues. It's really great to see somebody going through the same sorts of issues most of us deal with when restoring hardware, rather than everything working perfectly after a montage.
    Warts and all, makes for a nice video. 👍

  • @lightmagick
    @lightmagick 6 років тому +2

    Don't feel bad about this video man, failures(or non successful attempts) are just as important to show as the perfect "I fixed it!" videos.

  • @dbp-wv1hs
    @dbp-wv1hs 6 років тому +2

    I enjoyed it in that I could well relate to your mounting frustration and inability to confirm anything is working because of lack of parts.

  • @jgwd25
    @jgwd25 2 роки тому

    Thanks for posting this. I'm sorry you didn't get it working but the way you presented everything just had me laughing the whole time, especially that chip that leaped from its socket. Pure gold 🤣
    Better luck with part two.

  • @Arivia1
    @Arivia1 5 років тому

    I'm watching this in March and I enjoyed this video! You working on old stuff is enjoyable and fun even if you don't succeed. Just watching someone who knows what he's doing troubleshoot is good content and fun!

  • @LarryDeSilva64
    @LarryDeSilva64 6 років тому

    I went out and bought an older Commodore 64 and two 1541 Floppy drives(both drives were from different people in different states initially looked good both powered up but one would spin a disk the other would not)none have been tested and a 1702 Monitor which is tested is coming next week so your video is very helpful from a troubleshooting standpoint. I would say the best thing I took away from this is to really make sure all connections are solid. In Adrian's Digital Basement he has a video where he got a C64 to work that had been protected by ants it was rusted and dirty and been in a field for decades and he got it to work.

  • @Rodville
    @Rodville 3 роки тому +1

    Did we ever get a part 2? I was bored re-watching older videos and I realized I don't remember there being a part 2 and I couldn't find it in the video listing. If we didn't I think it's a tad overdue isn't it? I want to see him fix the shell and superglue and baking soda the front and see it reading disks. I know this moment in time isn't the best time with all that's going on behind the scenes but I hope it's at least on the near horizon. Thanks for being awesome.

  • @WilhelmDriscoll
    @WilhelmDriscoll 6 років тому +1

    Perfect timing with this video. I've got a 1541 and 1571 that are partially working I need to fix.

  • @ShadeAssault
    @ShadeAssault 6 років тому +2

    Dude the video was great! Just because you didn't fix it doesn't mean it was bad. The information was good and it shows the troubleshooting process. Keep up the great videos! Wish I still had some of the old PCs I used to play with years ago - sadly they got recycled :-/

  • @mikkelharris1094
    @mikkelharris1094 6 років тому +7

    The second CIA chip is what controls the serial ports. you should focus on the second one to troubleshoot. Also, look at the C64 wiki, you can find a ton of info on everything on the computer there. Good luck!

  • @FoxerTails
    @FoxerTails 6 років тому +5

    I'm actually completely ok with videos that detail debugging and failures. It not only helps you but us as the viewers to give us experience in what not to do or what steps that go nowhere. Some of this can probably be applied to other projects somehow as well. Sometimes things don't go according to plan and I'm completely ok with that. As long as you say it's a part 1 of it. That way it signals people that the finished product won't be in this video.

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +2

      Tails19935 Yeah, sometimes we learn more with the failures

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому +1

      Agree wholeheartedly ... it's all good... the more 'reality' the better.
      Frustration is *always* a part of learning.
      No pain, no gain.

  • @misatzu
    @misatzu 5 років тому +6

    Where's part 2?

    • @blackterminal
      @blackterminal 10 місяців тому

      Denied.

    • @misatzu
      @misatzu 10 місяців тому +3

      @@blackterminal lol ... according to a quick youtube search part 2 still doesn't exist. gotta love it when people release a part 1 then never follow up and don't even bother to change the title of the first & only video

  • @cpopte
    @cpopte 6 років тому +3

    Great video ! I've sen that you helped Adrian Black with his power suply adapter for his 5150. Thanks for another great video. Keep them comming please :)

  • @CubicleNate
    @CubicleNate 4 роки тому

    This video was GREAT! I am a huge fan of the Commodore 64, it was my first computer and I still play on it from time to time. Your frustrations with it all just made me laugh out loud, so thanks for sharing!

  • @herdware
    @herdware 6 років тому +6

    Fwiw, Ray Carlsen has excellent repair guides for these machines.

  • @Tedybear315
    @Tedybear315 5 років тому

    Have a pair of 1541's under my C64. One works okay. The other one is a recent purchase from an 'antiques and collectable' store. Managed to purchase it for $15. Owner of the store mentioned it was "NOS". (actually....no) But it did have the transport card in place and is in amazing condition. It works 100%.

  • @saddle1940
    @saddle1940 6 років тому

    Around 1985, I accidentaly became a small town part-time tech for fixing Commodore 64s and the notorious 1541 disk drives. The guy who sold them locally gave me a service manual folder for the 1541 (I think it's still downstairs somewhere in the electronics dungeon) and it has all the schematics, the step by step fault guide including a couple of programs you typed in to help (if the drive was cactus) and more importantly there were alignment disks with sinewaves recorded on various tracks so you could step it out from the end stop and look with a CRO at the incoming waves from the head.
    The biggest fault for the 1541 at the time was copy protected games chattering the head up against the end stop. Those games would just bash the stepper up against the stop for a while as a part of the protection. Unfortunately, the stepper shaft was just press fitted on to the cog attached to the metal band and it would move. The permanent cure was to remove the stepper and drill a pin through the shaft and cog to lock it into position then rotate the motor till the waves looked right again. Did that to around 100 of them.

  • @AleXstProduction
    @AleXstProduction 6 років тому

    I like the sped up parts of the process, most content creators just talk about their process with incremental shots but this way it has way more continuity

  • @Yasin_MN
    @Yasin_MN 6 років тому +1

    That was a fun video, seeing the whole process is always fascinating.

  • @tutituti4344
    @tutituti4344 6 років тому

    Hahaha, what a gem of a video.
    40 minutes of repair to repair nothing, must have been AMAZING to edit it

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  6 років тому +1

      oh yeah, it was fun. I started out with 3 hrs of footage.

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      What a gem of a comment.
      You must be AMAZING at parties...
      :-(

  • @michaelcarey
    @michaelcarey 3 роки тому

    What I have done in the past with repairing plastic parts on C64/1541 cases is to use Cyanoacrylate (SuperGlue) and layer very small strips of tissue paper across the break into the drying glue. This forms a reinforced bond, like fiberglass. It can be quite tricky to do, but the resultant bond ends up being VERY strong.

  • @LUNATIC75
    @LUNATIC75 6 років тому

    All the other usual suspects treat these old C64's like they're holy relics, this bloke pokes it with a stick and speaks his mind.
    A different take is sometimes refreshing.

  • @jimbobbyrnes
    @jimbobbyrnes 6 років тому

    your William Shatner impression is spot on

  • @mcg7969
    @mcg7969 6 років тому +1

    Dude! I love your sense of humor! Don't loose it: 0:47! Great video!

  • @anonim3594
    @anonim3594 Рік тому +2

    Part 2?

  • @peterg.8245
    @peterg.8245 6 років тому +3

    For future projects consider using a galvanizing spray. It’s varying percentages zinc, shocking I know, and as a bonus it’s conductive although most ground will use a star washer that will scratch the paint.

    • @BenState
      @BenState Рік тому

      creates a non-conductive coating. no good.

  • @olik136
    @olik136 6 років тому +7

    For that metal case I would suggest metal polish- works WAY better than the stuff you had- for such light stuff you might even get away with "brasso" or "silvo"

    • @crimsun7186
      @crimsun7186 6 років тому

      You can also leave the case submerged in wd40 with a bit of water for 24 hours. That helps remove dust without causing the metal to develop patina.

    • @richardblack5710
      @richardblack5710 6 років тому +1

      Try a magic eraser

  • @DocMacLovin
    @DocMacLovin 6 років тому +2

    great vid because seeing you try and error - this helps a lot of us

  • @zik316
    @zik316 6 років тому +1

    I really enjoyed the part about the disk retention rod.

  • @souta95
    @souta95 6 років тому

    I remember fixing that latch pin on a couple drives I had back in the 90's. It can work itself out even when the drive isn't dropped.

  • @TzOk
    @TzOk 6 років тому +14

    I didn't like that chassis tinning at all, screw thread would do the job just fine, and ensure good contact with chassis ground. Second thing is - you had the donor C-64, so you had the spare serial connector, why didn't you use it? Last thing - de-soldering pump you're using really is a garbage. I mean - I had worse, but this isn't any good. I know a very good pump, but it is local Polish product - it is called ZEL OD-25. If you're really into THT repairs, you should consider buying ZD-915 de-soldering station or something similar.

    • @rjonzun5828
      @rjonzun5828 6 років тому +4

      I was not feeling the chassis tinning either. Cringe. I still love this channel, though. :)

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому +2

      *NEVER* trust solder under an Earth (Ground) lug... the solder compresses over time and the lug loosens... and that is *DANGEROUS* :-(

    • @marcusdamberger
      @marcusdamberger 6 років тому

      Checked those solder suckers out, really nice set of them in this video. Included a anti-shock version too. Never knew solder suckers could come in such variety. ua-cam.com/video/1j-UpjzKBVM/v-deo.html

    • @txd
      @txd 6 років тому

      @@RogerBarraud exactly.

  • @daviddavidsonn3578
    @daviddavidsonn3578 6 років тому +29

    34:43 what's up with the video quality ? do you have a radioactivity problem ?
    some weird purples stuff is showing up on the video

    • @DEMENTO01
      @DEMENTO01 6 років тому +1

      It actually has a cyberpunk-like aesthetic so, not complaints haha

    • @pcnorden
      @pcnorden 6 років тому +1

      If he records onto a camera and then pull data from the sd card from the camera, the SD card is probably dying. South Main Auto Channel also had a video with pink lines and that was due to a dying SD card

    • @JFD62780
      @JFD62780 6 років тому +12

      That camera's about to go; he addressed that issue in a previous video...

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому

      It could be a connection issue like a cable, could be a glitch in the processing codec, it could be a overhead in the sdcard speed when recording, it could be a faulty camera, faulty sd card, it could be corruptiom when passing to the pc, it could be a problem in blender rendering, maybe a cpu usage spike of some sort, it could be many things actually

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 6 років тому +1

      Well.. looking into akbkuku's comment, its actually the camera overheating

  • @laynesamba
    @laynesamba 6 років тому

    I appreciated this video... last weekend i attempted to replace the Bounres filters in my mac SE because it wouldn't read or format floppy disks but was perfect in every other way. The only thing i succeeded in doing is making it completely unstable and prone to crashing ARGH. Sometimes this is just how it is.

  • @eformance
    @eformance 6 років тому +2

    Barkeeper's friend contains oxalic acid, any acid will cause etching of oxidized metal. Many rust treatments are based on phosphoric acid, which converts iron oxide into iron phosphate, a dark gray/black substance. White vinegar will also convert rust into a dark gray schmutz, I assume it's iron acetate, since that's acetic acid.

    • @crimsun7186
      @crimsun7186 6 років тому

      WD40 works for that and doesn't etch the metal.

  • @alerey4363
    @alerey4363 6 років тому

    I enjoyed it anyway because knowing what doesnt work (trial and error) is always needed during troubleshooting

  • @cbmeeks
    @cbmeeks 6 років тому +6

    Keep in mind you have two of the 20-30+ million Commodore 64's made. Granted, that's 100% of all C64's from your perspective, but to say they are poor is misleading to someone who isn't familiar with them watching your channel. I could also say that the 5 Commodore 64's I have (that all work) means they are all stellar from my perspective. We would both be wrong. Don't give up hope on the C64. There's a reason they made 30 million of them. Despite their issues. And, if you really want to see a troublesome Commodore line, try repairing any of the TED based units.

  • @yjk_music
    @yjk_music 6 років тому +3

    31:52 It turns on and seems normal, but if you look closer, cursor does not blink.
    C64 KERNAL(or maybe BASIC) uses timer in one of the CIA chips to blink cursor.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому +1

      It's just not that ... the left CIA also controls !IRQ effectively causing the machine to hang.

  • @tavisco
    @tavisco 6 років тому

    Lol, I've enjoyed it, you've put a lot of time into this, no doubts, and hopes you got the raspberry thing to work so you have a "100% known good device" to "debug" with!

  • @alecjahn
    @alecjahn 6 років тому +2

    I have a C64C somewhere, disassembled, that allegedly had some bad something on it. Never fixed it. I'd ship it your way if I can find it, I'll keep my eye out next time I'm in storage.

  • @nickstubbings
    @nickstubbings 6 років тому

    onwards and upwards dude! you only get better if you try new things and persist! keep at it!

  • @DEMENTO01
    @DEMENTO01 6 років тому

    I really enjoyed this video, and it's funny bc these things happen to me all the times where I can't know for sure what is wrong and I'm doing nothing in reality but I actually enjoyed and learned seeing you.
    I actually love Commodore but I don't have any Commodore hardware (yet), I'd love to have anything, a c64 or something (and I'm like you, not wanting to pay ship costs for these things bc they weigh a lot) but where I live, microcomputers weren't a deal at all, so, it's very difficult to spot one, and when one shows up like on ebay near me, its like a fully restored one and they ask some hundreds of euros, so, still hoping to find one on my local 2nd hand store tbh.
    Looking forward for part 2.

  • @InsanePsychoRabbit
    @InsanePsychoRabbit 6 років тому +1

    You said "cavity search" and my mind went somewhere other than teeth...

  • @BigBoyLies
    @BigBoyLies 6 років тому +2

    14:50 my guess? its the rust under the zinc coated steel. and since you abraded the zinc coating away it exposes the rusted steel underneath it. hence why you cant remove it no matter how much u scrub it

  • @HelloKittyFanMan.
    @HelloKittyFanMan. 6 років тому

    Haha, wow, that's crazy about the power supplies. I never pictured having to plug 2 power plugs in to run the same computer!

  • @charlesware4584
    @charlesware4584 4 роки тому

    Back in the mid 1980's I was doing component level repair of C64 and 1541 drives. If I got a C64, first thing I would do was socket the ROM. Then I had a special ROM with some really low level diagnostics. For 95% of all repairs, I found there to be one of three problems. The 6510 processor, a PLD chip or one of the 64x1 DRAM s. The diagnostics had one test that would blink an output on the user port at about 1 Hz. I had an LED I would plug into the user port. If it blinked, that established that I had a clock and a working processor. Then I checked the memory. There were 8 64x1 DRAM chips. The memory test would indicate which one failed. If the processor and memory were OK, it was better than even odds that the PLD chip had gone bad. For the remaining 5%, I just the replaced the board. I was thinking of getting a digital logic analyzer but I finally just gave it up.
    For the 1541's I got an exerciser. The 1541 didn't have a home position sensor so to move the head to the zero position, it would run the stepping motor the full number of steps in reverse. So for a certain number of steps it would "bump" against the zero position stop. After time, I think the stator would become magnetized enough so that it would be a step off even after trying to bump the head to the zero position. The solution was pretty simple. Unbolt the step motor and turn it 90 degrees. Then it would zero. That seem to fix the problem on most 1541's. Then I would charge customers 40$ to "repair" their 1541.
    $40 was usually what I charged to repair a C64. Once all they wanted was a new C64 case. I asked, "what happened to the old case". They said it was destroyed as the result of a karate chop. I had a few extra cases lying around so I sold them one.
    After about a year of repairing Commodore equipment, this is basically everything I learned.

  • @michaelgaribaldi8491
    @michaelgaribaldi8491 5 років тому

    thanks you helped me repair my 1541. Greetings from Germany

  • @painkillergko
    @painkillergko 3 роки тому

    Another C64 + 1541 is back to life!!!:D

  • @ctommy205
    @ctommy205 6 років тому

    Great video, as usual. Keep 'em coming!

  • @ryanpaaz
    @ryanpaaz 6 років тому

    I suspect the black in the corners of the drive cage is where the metal plating is peeling away, but that’s exposed metal and could use that sealer. And the solder isn’t trying to stick to the paint, it’s not hot enough on the metal and those are ‘cold’ solder joints. It’ll probably be fine.

  • @CJWarlock
    @CJWarlock 5 років тому

    I got up early today. Then I've found this video (came here from the super glue and baking soda trick video). Now I know what to do for the pre-work relax. :)
    PS.Subscribed. Because your channel deserves at least this. :)

  • @eformance
    @eformance 6 років тому +7

    Doesn't have a spare DIN connector....just finished showing us the donor C64C.... :-D

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  6 років тому +3

      I want to make the donor work again someday, so I don't want to just harvest it for parts completely.

    • @eformance
      @eformance 6 років тому +2

      @@TechTangents I assumed as much, I just wanted to be that guy that points out the obvious :-)

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      @@TechTangents It's one of the parts that will most likely survive the transplant - I wouldn't worry too much as long as your soldering technique is good (i.e. quick, so you don't overheat the connector while removing it in particular).

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 4 роки тому

    When I started watching videos about stuff like this, they didn't all have failing capacitors and other components.

  • @xDownSetx
    @xDownSetx 6 років тому

    You can't always have success with every project. Even this video was a fun journey to watch, at least for me.

  • @robinlovell1617
    @robinlovell1617 6 років тому +1

    where you tried to lay down solder for grounding, consider removing ALL coatings from the metal for the solder - use something like a dremel and wire brush or grinder to get to raw metal. then use some flux too. cheers.

  • @djdjukic
    @djdjukic 6 років тому

    Cyanoacrylate superglue does not work with ABS plastics! It just melts it a bit and deforms the piece, smoothing the stumps away so it's even harder to fix it with epoxy later. Always check glue compatibility before glueing, but the gist of it is that superglue is not good for most things related to computers, and 2-part epoxy is where it's at. Wood glue is also useful sometimes for non-load bearing parts because of its mildness and space-filling properties.
    Also, there was really no need to apply the solder to the case, even if no ground connection is made (and the screws will make it) there won't be any problem. All parts that need to be grounded together will have ground leads in the connecting cable anyway, it's bad practice in design to use chassis ground for signals.
    And I did very much enjoy the video!

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  6 років тому +1

      Those glue tips are helpful, thank you.
      I realized in editing that I could have just used the solder to burn off the paint around the holes and I would have seemed much more clever. I'll probably do that in the future.
      The funny thing about the points on the PCB that attach to the chassis is that while 3/4 of them to have pads, none of them are connected to ground. Two of the pads even have a trace running between them. While you don't want to use chassis ground as your only ground connection, it can help with things like ground bounce or if there is a particularly high load on a wired connection that could be changing the relative ground. I just assumed it was because the 1541 is pretty sloppy with where it sends the sensitive signals from the head. But apparently, they don't care since it does nothing anyway.

  • @wolvesone
    @wolvesone 6 років тому +2

    hahah actually i enjoyed the video i love the way to explain and work then there was the incredible jumping IC lol

  • @chris.cantwell
    @chris.cantwell 6 років тому

    I laughed when I saw you using your pliers as a “vise” for the solder job. I do the same thing.

    • @ChristopherNelson2k
      @ChristopherNelson2k 5 років тому

      Even better when you use rubber bands on the handles to give them positive grip.

  • @alexmaley1810
    @alexmaley1810 6 років тому

    Dang dude, that's tough. Hope you get stuff sorted out.

  • @caseydotson321
    @caseydotson321 6 років тому +1

    oh man, the video glitches at the end scared the hell out of me! i had just upgraded the gpu in my laptop and i thought it was already failing lol

  • @AxialFlux
    @AxialFlux Рік тому

    Nice video man! I would perhaps suggest using some CA kicker to instantly set the super glue.

  • @0326Hambone
    @0326Hambone 5 років тому +1

    Ethernet cable comes to the rescue again! I swear I've used it for many more things than intended.

  • @pjm780
    @pjm780 6 років тому

    Use scotch-brite pads to remove surface rust/corrosion. It will remove any plating on the metal, which would usually prevent corrosion, but it doesn't look like it has any cadmium plating or anything on it, since it's still silvery and not a golden color.

  • @VauxhaIIOpel
    @VauxhaIIOpel 6 років тому +1

    is that how akbkuku opens new computers, pokes them with a FOREST _S T I C K_

  • @cbmeeks
    @cbmeeks 5 років тому +2

    Was a followup video made to this? I'd love to see that 1541 working. I just repaired three this weekend. lol. Well, the first one I repaired was technically a VIC-1541 but that's still a 1541.

  • @HelloKittyFanMan.
    @HelloKittyFanMan. 6 років тому +1

    Interesting that "cmd3" would work as well. I remember using "cmd4" but I saw another guy print something with 3. I also thought the "open" was something like 4, 4, or 4, 4, 4, but this other guy used 3, 4 also. I think it's weird that we should have to open the channels for printing or for advanced disk commands anyway, rather than just having them open by default, because even with them open already, the stuff doesn't go to the printer until you "cmd3" or "cmd4" anyway. And with the disk drive I never needed to use the close command to help anything, even though they have it, so I don't see the point of that.

    • @AltMarc
      @AltMarc 6 років тому

      You are right the printer was on 4 and not on 3. He could have looked it up on the internet....

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. 6 років тому

      @@AltMarc
      Well, if I understand right, the default device number for printers is 4, but you can have one on 3 too. I'm not sure why the instructions a guy got on another video said to use "cmd3" and it just worked. And I bet he did look it up here online. Sometimes that does work. I don't know where the device number jumpers in the printer are like I do in the old 1541. But how would you know about _this_ printer here?

    • @AltMarc
      @AltMarc 6 років тому

      ​@@HelloKittyFanMan. I could explain it better 35 years ago !, but 3 is used internally: www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Serial_Port
      At these times you were happy to have ONE printer, so the jumper thing (if ever) was very rarely a matter, go with 4 at 99.99% chance, plotter had 5 if I remember correctly...
      If you speak (at least read) German. here you find every - anything about VC20-C64 internals:
      www.64er-online.de/download/index.html
      BTW: 1986-02 page 93: all about the CIA=6526 in details

  • @jrmcferren
    @jrmcferren 6 років тому

    If you have a device not present error on the printer try device 5 (both are usually used for printers). Your disk drive is in fact communicating with the C64. When you do the LOAD"$",8 you are getting the SEARCHING FOR $ message and not a ?DEVICE NOT PRESENT ERROR in addition to it.
    Also, little known fact, a Commodore 64 can actually support 23 disk drives, but it gets tricky after 4. While a Commodore disk drive can be set in hardware to device 8, 9, 10, or 11, you can actually set the device ID up to 30 in software. It would take a bit of work, but you can automate it somewhat (you can write a basic program).

  • @yueibm
    @yueibm 6 років тому +2

    4:14 Cavity Search sounds like a really fun game.

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому +3

      The TSA game...
      :-/

    • @yueibm
      @yueibm 6 років тому

      @@RogerBarraud I yelled at a US-Canada customs officer once (he was very incompetent, most are great), and he took me to a small room and put on rubber examination gloves. He just gave me a pat down to mess with me. And then confiscated some ID and sent me into Canada. I didn't live in Canada.

  • @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408
    @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 5 років тому +1

    The top shield seems to be more of a rarity. Keep it if you sell the drive. You will find many, in great condition, that don't have one. So use it for one of them.

  • @chrislozaga4942
    @chrislozaga4942 6 років тому +3

    MOS and Mostek are two different companies. Also if you have a VIC20 you can test the drive with that.

    • @draketungsten74
      @draketungsten74 6 років тому +3

      If his VIC20 was still working, which he said in the video that it is not.

  • @AB-Prince
    @AB-Prince Рік тому

    definately the left cia chip was working in all cases, as when it was removed the cursor didn't blink. but it did blink for all 3.

  • @randycarter2001
    @randycarter2001 3 роки тому

    What I do when I encounter a pin like that. I put a drop of superglue on the exposed pin shaft then shove it into position. Done so that the hole in the base block has super glue lining the inside. Works fine lasts a long time.

  • @SkyCharger001
    @SkyCharger001 6 років тому

    In the late '90s my father had a similar issue with the serial port of his c64... turned out that the DIN socket had two line-breaks between it and the CIAs.

  • @jq747
    @jq747 6 років тому

    And this is why my retrocomputing ends at emulation. With old hardware you're just buying into a world of hurt, and I don't have the patience =) So respect to the AkBkuku, 8-bit Guy, and the others who tinker with hardware AND by some magic, get it all running.

  • @mcosta3810
    @mcosta3810 6 років тому

    I did enjoy this video, sorry!
    As you discovered, the C64 can boot with neither CIA chip installed. If you suspect the CIA, you can switch one for the other and if the fault changes to a different fault, you've narrowed it down to one of the CIAs. The two chips are identical, but serve different functions, so a fault with one CIA will become a different fault if you switch them for diagnostic purposes.
    Since your C64 was sending the reset signal to the disk drive on boot up, I would suspect the issue is more likely to be with the 1541 drive and not the C64. There are instructions in the commodore manuals out there to send commands directly to the drive in order to read error messages that the drive can send back to the computer.
    I made an XE-1541 cable (similar to the X-1541 cable with added diodes for compatibility with more PCs parallel ports). It works well so I can recommend this method. I used it with an old Pentium laptop that has a parallel port, and started backing up whatever I could from my old 5.25" floppy disk collection. It's cheaper and easier to make than the Pi1541 option, but if you already have the raspberry pi, the Pi1541 that you referred to at the end of your video is a good idea to get to use your C64 sooner!

    • @mcosta3810
      @mcosta3810 6 років тому

      Here is the BASIC program to read the 1541 error channel. First, you have to wait until the 1541 indicator light starts flashing, saying there's an error, then enter this program into the C64:
      10 OPEN 15,8,15
      20 INPUT#15,EN,EM$,ET,ES
      30 PRINT EN,EM$,ET,ES
      40 CLOSE 15
      then type RUN.
      (source: Ray Carlsen's webpage personalpages.tds.net/~rcarlsen/cbm/1541/fix1541.txt )
      Also I realized after writing that comment there is another option besies the XE-1541 cable, as those cables are a bit "obsolete" and not everybody has a PC with a compatible parallel port anymore: there is the ZoomFloppy at store.go4retro.com/zoomfloppy/ to connect to a USB plug on your computer and use your Commodore disk drive with a friendly Windows interface. I haven't tried it yet because it was cheaper and easy for me to build the XE-1541, but this is also an option you may consider.
      Good luck! I'm looking forward to Part 2!

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому

      That is not correct. If you leave out the left CIA, you don't get a cursor because the IRQ line gets constantly triggered, basically stopping the CPU after initializing BASIC. But yes, swapping both chips within a machine can lead to some success (keep in mind the CIA basically has 2 parallel and 1 serial interfaces and usually it's just one line that has gone bad).
      It can still happen that a CIA is broken even when the IEC reset gets triggered.

    • @RacerX-
      @RacerX- 6 років тому

      @@1337Shockwav3 True, but for troubleshooting, you should still see the bootup colors, even with no CIA installed.

    • @mcosta3810
      @mcosta3810 6 років тому +1

      Yup, I'm aware. This exact thing can be seen here at 31:40 when it booted with no flashing cursor.

  • @Hydr8Man
    @Hydr8Man 6 років тому +43

    Get the 8-bit guy out here

    • @PJBonoVox
      @PJBonoVox 6 років тому +4

      Grrr. He seems to be mentioned on every damn C64 video. I think he has enough followers now.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 років тому +11

      8 shit guy. Prime example how not to do stuff.

    • @ExtremeGamer9951
      @ExtremeGamer9951 6 років тому +1

      @@1337Shockwav3 Any examples?

    • @rjonzun5828
      @rjonzun5828 6 років тому +1

      @@ExtremeGamer9951 How not to do a line out mod:
      ua-cam.com/video/Nwi6NmuwY4I/v-deo.html

    • @PJBonoVox
      @PJBonoVox 6 років тому +6

      @@ExtremeGamer9951 For what it's worth, that comment doesn't reflect my thoughts. I enjoy the 8-bit guy's channel. I just wish people could let other channels grow without mentioning him so regularly.

  • @darrenhawe
    @darrenhawe 6 років тому +2

    Next time give Evaporust a shot. Submerge it for 24 hours, and maybe hit it with a 3 or 4/0 steel wool on the really bad bits. That stuff works wonders for me.

  • @datcomputernerd4668
    @datcomputernerd4668 4 роки тому

    I had a 1541 with similar behavior. The problem for me was a via chip (6522) in the disk drive. I recommend for you to swap the via chips in the 1541. If the disk drive spins endlessly then one of the via chips are bad.

  • @thetworoos
    @thetworoos Рік тому +1

    Curious if there was ever a part 2 of this?

  • @nontasanastasios7612
    @nontasanastasios7612 6 років тому +2

    Thanks for another great video.
    Please please get an air compressor. Canned air is a joke. Even if you get a small one for air brushing will do the job you want.
    Toothbrush + air compressor = dust free components.
    As for the oxidization you came across i think a simple anode cathode bath would have done the trick for replating your mount.
    edit:If you arent into replating a small rotary buffing tool would do the job just as well

    • @crimsun7186
      @crimsun7186 6 років тому

      The problem is that you can get static buildup on the nozzle with an air compressor, much like it happens with a vaccuum cleaner.

    • @deathventure
      @deathventure 6 років тому

      @@crimsun7186 15+ years using a compressor to clean out computers, never had an issue with static. Moisture however is a different story entirely. I did however invest in a specialized blower by datavac systems. Works a treat.

  • @nasigoreng553
    @nasigoreng553 4 роки тому

    Dude get a proper desolder gun all inone unit, I jsut started my 5160 projectand I aint touching the main board components until I have it.
    I simply will not struggle with those yucky solder suckers or copper braid.
    No way.
    Great Video dont despair mate you are more patient than me fella.

  • @AdamChristensen
    @AdamChristensen 6 років тому

    Good luck in part 2!

  • @peterlamont647
    @peterlamont647 4 роки тому

    HA! My first commodore repair I had the exact same problem. I replaced EVERYTHING. Even the memory and 74LS629 VCO chips etc. Finally I took the CIA chip out and it worked. I TOOK IT OUT AND IT WORKED..... lol.

    • @peterlamont647
      @peterlamont647 4 роки тому

      The reason why is that the video chip uses a register to bank switch its video pages to where ever you want. If that register is faulty, you get black screen. Everything else on the chip might be okay, and you might even be able to just swap them around and it will work fine. Since 6526As are easy to find, I just replaced the 6526B with an A and it worked fine.

  • @shandonsheffield5698
    @shandonsheffield5698 5 років тому

    I am glad you are using Metcal. only way to go.

  • @tylercrawford8252
    @tylercrawford8252 6 років тому

    When I repaired the 1571 drive for my C128, I placed a dab of super glue on the small metal rod to keep it from shifting again. This was at the recommendation of Ray Carlsen. If you Google him, you’ll find his webpage provides a lot of great info for these old Commodores, but he also makes and sells replacement PSUs, cables, etc.

  • @Collectorcast
    @Collectorcast 6 років тому

    Understand the frustrations. I had a C64 with bad memory multiplexers, a 1541 with a bad 6502 and a dead read head. Everything is great now, but you may want to look for a dead Alps drive 1541 and swap it out.

    • @RogerBarraud
      @RogerBarraud 6 років тому

      Swapping your wild guesswork for a scope and logic analyser might be a good move too :-)