The WORST Take on Open Source I've EVER Seen
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2021
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After finding an article about why the author dislikes open source, I came to the conclusion that the opinions in this article were formed based on false information. That's why I want to go through it together so we can all have a better understanding of open source and address any misconceptions that you may have about it.
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The whole thing reads like a piece of contrarian argument that someone constructed for a debate contest on a subject they know nothing about.
Oh hey it's the scambaiter/vhs horror producer
hello quantum crab
hiii
Fancy seeing you here
in what looks like 15 minutes, too
“Linux is inferior to windows and Mac!”
Literally every IT guy: “I’ve seen enough. I’m unsatisfied.”
While ignoring completely the fact that the Mac Kernel is FreeBSD, ie open source.
Linux is worse in the way that you often need to do some reading in user forums to get Linux to do what you want, but it won't fight you on it like Windows and Mac do.
@@schwarzerritter5724 the comparison you are making though is you literally cannot do x thing on windows or mac (or its hard to do and a pain) but on linux it takes a bit of reading
@@schwarzerritter5724 for newbie, yeah sure. But every command have manual to use it. `man ` or ` --help` does the trick, you don't need to read user forums to use a command. If you end up needing to read forums, that means you tweaked or want to tweak your OS, and you're advanced user. For normie you can use it as is without reading these forums (although depends on the distros).
@@FireWyvern870 I don't mean to hate on Linux cuz I love it, but the average user doesn't want to see a commandline, they just want to see buttons to click on.
I suspect this is a guy who's had his contributions rejected
i was thinking, why would anyone ever write such an article.
he got mocked for his bad code - it is the best explanation. no more questions.
case closed, thank you.
And was so blind as to not use the opensource advantage of take and make it how you want it to be.
Considering that he made a whole argument that there was no form checking code to see it was ok.... I am safe to make the assumption that he has never even made a contribution in his life.
@@1501Tom I was thinking the dude has a brand loyalty boner for Microsoft or Adobe or something
That's how the “A Toxic ‘Community’ or cult” paragraph came into existence. He probably found his code on r/badcode.
My first thought: "of course it's a medium article"
User-generated content and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
@@andrewhooper7603 your comment is user-generated content replying to another comment which is a reply to user-generated content (the video). Your statement is just totally wrong, user-generated content is the best thing that could happen, just look at all incredibile videos on youtube…
@@andrewhooper7603 Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Even if that opinion is demonstrably stupid and/or ignorant. You learn to look at things with a critical eye and rely on your own research rather than random internet opinions. I get what you're saying though. Now that everyone's a budding UA-cam star or indie developer, there's some serious trash content clogging up the bandwidth, and sometimes the only thing on the menu (until you've done some serious digging), is ten different flavours of shit.
@@andrewhooper7603 user-generated content is not really problem. I think problem is recommendation systems that are optimized using "engagement" metrics. So many times I've received rubbish on top of medium and the only way I can explain why I'm seeing it, is because, hateful rubbish generates a lot of interactions - a lot of people are writing comments on it. I don't get so much rubish recommendations even on youtube compared to what I see on Medium. I don't know if I did anything there but my Medium homepage is literally some sort of weird doomsday - I open it and my mood is literally ruined. Thus I decided to unsubsribe it after good 2 years reading it mainly because I thought that this help writers make money.
In medium there are wonderful articles. But also a bunch of worthless stupid garbage.
I'm a scientist and right now there is an increased number of scientists developing open-source software and hardware. Thanks to that, the price of equipment to do research has dropped significantly reducing the cost of doing science, and also we have more open and reproducible research.
Poking around with all the astrophotography and astronomy related open source software around is fascinating, really powerful, even if I barely understand any of the functions or settings
So much good open source stuff in climatology and earth sciences. You wanted to get simulated surface temperatures under different conditions previously it was either you know someone who knows a someone who you might be able to beg borrow or steal some HPC time from for a GCM they wrote in 1986 or a piece of very outdated software called ClimaSim. Now, PlaSim and ExoPlaSim are attracting interest as things that any schmuck can get running on their laptop if they can follow instructions. Erosion used to be the realm of a particularly crap piece of software called Wilbur that was literally the only thing in the field, but now there’s actually a multiplicity of planet-scale erosion sims. And that’s just in a tiny section of a niche field - OSS and science go together hand in hand
Same :) While Bioinformatics does have some proprietary tools, they are mostly GUI based and involve wrapping the Open-source tools. Most of us tend to use Terminal tools and they scale stupidly well.
Also, Python, R, PERL (which still powers/glues) absolutely the entire internet are all open-source.
Just to chime in, in the area of materials science, while some of the biggest players in abinito calculation packages are proprietary, they have pretty much made it free for research. Tons of new packages have emerged, and they insist on being open source. It would certainly seem that there is no possible place where keeping information proprietary leads to better research. If I know I will be working on a closed package, I'll walk away with dignity, because all the softwares and codes that helped me in my research is developed/maintained and support by the community. The world is build on open source, and it is the only way things should move forward. It's not like we are taking credits away from developers. I am really on board with the current trends in research where there is a huge push towards making tools and information openly available. Wider adoption, more feedback and uses, more research results.
any examples of open source hardware? never heard of open source hardware(except maybe arduino or something).
"Linux is inferior to Windows and Mac!"
*laughs in 95% market share of cloud and server infrastructure*
And 4% of the rest is bsd or some other open thing
Infrastructure is one thing, but the market share still belongs to Windows for a reason. When it comes to desktops, most run Windows and if you're in an office there's a good 80% chance you're using Windows as well.
Paid software is a competitive area, and since people get paid to make it, they're incentivised to make it the best it can be. Open source can be a mixed bag and the phrase "too many cooks" can come into play on more than a few occasions. Blender is actually a pretty good example, since it started off with a terrible UI and attempts to fix it and add more features have now turned it into one of the least intuitive systems available. All the main features are there, and the features it has are great, but getting to them means you NEED to look it up. 3DS Max on the other hand has an interface even a beginner can usually muddle through and work out for themselves.
Why Blender separates everything into separate tabs and doesn't allow edit poly modifiers like 3DS Max honestly mystifies me. It was suggested as a feature YEARS ago.
@@Crystan I disagree, blender 2.8 is very simple to me, and max feels clunky. I prefer Maya ui over max. This of course is my personal opinion, but I also don't think anyone will start polymodeling without tutorials.
@@Crystan "paid software is a competitive area, and since people get paid to make it, they're incentivized to make it the best it can be." that's not the reality at all. Paid software are mostly compromise, between time/cost and expected revenues and there's a lot of external pressure (investor etc) In category like gaming (99.99999% of games are paid/closed source) unfinished, rushed, bugged products are actually the norm.
@@Crystan "infrastructure is one thing", we're talking about the servers that host all your favorite websites and the back ends for all your favorite desktop apps. This is all commercial infrastructure, none of the relevant businesses would succeed without it. Microsoft dominates OS marketshare because it is more accessible for end users, but when it comes to businesses relying on software for extremely important business critical tasks like making sure their server stays up reliably, businesses dont turn to windows. It's more of a hammer vs drill situation at that point than which one is a holistically better OS, but still, more money depends on linux than depends on Windows, and critical issues with linux would jeopardize more dollars worth of potential business than critical windows issues would.
Him: Open source is a complete waste of time
Linux being the backbone of most of the Internet, because of its open source nature to be able to adapt to what people need: the fu...
Him: open source is not secure
People choosing Linux because malware is not even a thing they've ever seen: the fu...
Him: Linux is in fact inferior to windows and mac
the people who use the internet, and the guys who use arch by the way: the fu...
@@HQbaracuda wait till he hears about nginx lol
@@HQbaracuda nodejs, which powers a lot of the internet: ok
Bro, you gotta learn to condense your memes
"Blender is inferior to 3DS Max"😳
Now that
That hurt me. Blender is an amazing software and I would argue that Blender was able to build a HUGE community comprising of artists and developers working together because it was open source😀❤️
I came here to basically say this. Blender may have been inferior to industry giants 10 years ago, but they have done so much work to make it what it is today. And it's unbelievably powerful as it is at the moment. You know that's true because big players like Autodesk are actually donating to the blender foundation.
Exactly this, I never heard of 3DS Max before, Blender definitely has a bigger community
@@darkhacks5743 3ds max is Autodesk. It's pretty powerful, but it's expensive. I'm guessing the smaller community could be down to 2 things. 1. There isn't as much need for a community, because if you use 3ds max, you're being trained by someone and you have company support to contact. 2. It's prohibitively expensive, so the people using it are probably further along in their careers so don't need as much guidance so there is less of a need for forums and such.
@@Jackofafewtrades That's good to know thanks!
As a member of the VTuber community, LITERALLY ALL THE FROM SCRATCH 3D MODELS ARE MADE IN BLENDER THAT PROGRAM IS AMAZING
Honesty I don’t see how anyone could hate on open source
I have my own personal beefs, but it is more to do with shit developers than the concept.
@Ethan Atchley the owners of github? They're not the same company they were 10-15 years ago
@@rh906 Qqqqfw2😠
Apple does
Have you not seen Steve Ballmer's rant on open source? Dude was literally spitting on the crowd he was yelling so angrily.
The author sounds like someone who's been stuck on the same position in a company for a really long time, and he's seen people younger than him with less experience go up the ladder faster, so he created some sort of boogeyman to explain why he isn't treated better.
That's such a good read on him hahaha!
I wouldn't be surprised if you were right on the money
Interestingly, in one of the responses to the comments of the articles the author claims to be a programmer for more than 20 years.
>Boomer cries about something that he can’t exploit and make money off.
Yeah, fits the usual pattern.
But he explains how he could exploit it. He could just steel the code, as he thinks it will not have any consequences. Then again, the very angry and bitter author also thinks, that the code would be garbage. I think I reached an impasse in my argument here... Help?
@@christianbaer2897 Throw the entire reasoning of this madman down the gutter xD, That's my help.
Is he a boomer? First thing I thought was zoomer...
@@woozy_deer zoomers shill for shitcoins and are too lazy to learn to code
Capitalist, the word you are looking for is Capitalist :)
Blender is literally an industry standard. And Godot is so fun and intuitive, how could you hate it unless you haven't used it
Blender is most definitely not an industry standard. Its actually maya but that is the commonly ised 3D software. Only more niche companies use other programs like 3Ds max or blender.
Godot is inferior to Unit-- Importing small assets...
@@RE4lionDude you must be high
My guy said linux is inferior..
Everything you use runs on linux
Yes, the ISS can only function because of Windows 98, oh, no what's that the ISS is Linux based, ya don't say.
@@jeremybarlow2291 windows 11 or windows 12 is supposed to run on some sort of Linux clone. That's what wsl is supposed to be...
@@runed0s86 the new WSL is in my understanding just a VM nativley integrating Windows Filesystem running on Hyper-V protocols. Now with GUI support.
I know you aren't trying to hate on him, but I will speak negatively about him for a minute here. Honestly, anyone who shits on something just to rile people up isn't a good person. If that not having a girlfriend anecdote he made is true, it certainly has nothing to do with him not being able to "pay for a date at starbucks" and everything to do with his trashy attitude.
It also seems like he is one of the bad coders that supposedly has their code get made fun of, most likely because he claims to have 20+ years of experience in coding, and most certainly doesn't. Overall strikes me as the kind of person who lies about damn near everything in their life and then gets aggressive when called out on it. (These 2 sentences are 100% speaking from my own personal experience interacting with others, he acts the same way other people I have met who fit the descriptions I just gave do. It's completely anecdotal.)
Twenty years of coding also isn't the same as twenty years working in software.
Or I can say I've been a writer for over 20 years.
Agree on all of the above !
Sadly, the Medium article is far from being the worst I have seen..
@@andrewhooper7603 you can do something wrong for 20 years straight too lmao
Couldn't agree more. It's just clickbait, aka professional trolling.
Yeah, seems like "open-source" is just his projection of being a failed programmer
I love when something starts with "everyone can see why, and those who can't are stupid". You know that writer knows what he is talking about, even highly educated on the subject...
You can expect wild flailing and an hour of circular logic
@@nukiradio _Wow_ basically every day for the past month in Discord Linux.
VS Code still has some some closed-source stuff, like Microsoft's built-in telemetry.
VSCodium is a 1/1 VS Code clone, fully open-source with 0 telemetry, so I recommend using that.
Doesn't have the extensions I need, so...
@@aiSage48 It has ALL of the same extensions. It is the exact same code just compiled without the telemetry. Pull your head out of your ass
@@aiSage48 All of the extensions that are available for VSCode work on Codium. So, I don't know what you're on about.
@@squ34ky @Travis Goes There
I'm pretty sure, that they just didn't know that you first need to enable microsofts "extenstion store" in vscodium
Thank you, I wasn't aware of that
I feel like whoever wrote that article has never been near academia. Some of the best chemistry and physics simulation, modelling and statistical software is open source
And especially in science applications it is crucial that you actually know what the software you're using is doing. This may not apply for "simple" calculations in Excel sheets but when it is about simulations (like you've mentioned) or other means of analyses where you need to be able to reconstruct the methodology, the use of propretary software is a crucial flaw, if it conseals how you've gotten to your results.
@@musikrausch2675 Gaussian is kind of a decent middle-solution. You must pay for the software, but once you do you are free to modify its source code. Only requirement is that any modifications you make must be sent to the company if you wish to porpagate/publish them, and you'll get added to the list of authors.
Not a bad deal in academia, since anyone using Gaussian will be citing your name from that day forward.
I feel like academia is as far removed from reality as one can get.
@@jhoughjr1 Then do go ahead and stop taking any medicine developed since 1930s, as quantum mechanics, done and researched within academia, is the reason why a lot of modern medicine exists.
At worst, I see open source contributions as one of two things. Either someone is honing their craft on a project that isn't going to cost anyone money, where good work will be implemented and you'll have something to show for it. Or it's someone that's got a job they're confortable in and they want to give back where they can.
This 100%.
Completely. I don't believe that any programmer trying to make ends meat would make open source software full time, as the author tries to imply.
If anyone is doing it, that's just stupidity. Make it in your spare time. Don't expect to get to paid from it, because it is open source.
@@estevesazeiteiro You're wrong there. Many open source programmers are actually paid full time professionals working for non-profits. Mozilla is the first that comes to mind (they used to get millions from Google to fund the development of Firefox) but it's far from the only one. Many other companies have open sourced their software to create communities that allow them to make money off the software, not by selling licenses, but by selling support or additional services. It's just a business model for many companies.
@@passantNL Yeah, I get what you mean. But are they open source programmers, or are they just employees of a company that is doing an open source software project?
Yes, of course it worked for Mozilla. The point I'm trying to emphasize is that it is too risky for a person to do it full time, while having to pay bills
100% I contribute to learn and grow and majority of others are the same or do it out of curiosity. Generally programmers/developers are innately curious and want to learn more about the tech they're involved in.
He has to be a troll, considering he also wrote "You do not need math to be a software developer" and "Don’t study computer science".
I'm on my first year of computer science education, and not needing math is a lie.
You can't understand what you're really doing without math. It's ridiculous to say that someone can understand how programming works without learning math. You can do the basics, but nothing more.
You don't need a mathematics degree just a basic understanding of fundamental math principles is enough, for basic coding in itself. Code is a means to an end. I can say 'you don't need to know a damn thing about farming to be a software developer' but if you're trying to create software to automate some task that farmers do well............... Also don't get a comp sci degree without first making sure that's the route you want to go.
There's some nuance to make those points more reasonable and non-troll lol
@@vidal9747 It's called LOGIC. This is the reason why they learn math in school, so you can learn logic.
Troll as a millionaire.
Troll getting thrashed by Jesus made my day🤣
He really looks like Jesus 😂
@@tobidegnon4409 what do you mean looks like? He is the Tech Jesus
My bad my bad, I was lost, thanks for bringing me back to light brother. Jesus he is indeed.
Go Jesus!
Software Jesus
Boomer making closed source software with open source languages 🤣
20 years experience is a lot younger than boomer age unless he started really late (or gave up really early).
The "who do you even hold responsible for damages?" is hilarious. I guess the author has never actually read a EULA, where all of them at some point say essentially "we're not responsible for any damages, ever. Go suck on a lemon". It's pretty sad if they think that proprietary software has some kind of "guarantee" that it works without defects.
Hell, if he read any windows os eula he'd shit his britches. No joke microsoft can straight up pull all your data if they wanted to, legally. It literally says they can legally analyze all data going through their os. So expect a lot of phoning home if you're somehow on their banhammer radar. The entire eula basically boils down to "we own your ass now, we can even cancel your activation if we feel like it, effectively destroying your property.". Macos is not much better.
"Godot is inferior to Unity". Dude has probably never heard of UE4 and Cryengine. Though technically not OPEN source, they are source available and HUGELY benefit from community members' efforts to improve the engine.
Amazon's fork of the Cryengine, the engine formally known as Lumberyard is actually open source. They have renamed it and given stewardship to the Linux Foundation
@@larseich5796 yeah I learned about O3DE recently as well, but it didn't really make a name for itself yet, which is why I didn't mention it
Isn't unity source available if you're willing to buy the most expensive licence?
@@hanro50 you can get the source code, but I wouldn't necessarily call it source available seeing as you need to pay for it, which is not the case with UE4/5 and Cryengine. it also doesn't benefit from community members being able to push/suggest changes.
As a student who's forced to use Godot over Unity or UE4 for their game related CS course, I absolutely hated Godot... I wonder why.... /s
In all seriousness tho, I think Godot is suffering from a lack of users, especially those who are willing to write documentations to help others navigate through the engine, especially the newer 3D engine. Right now there's not a lot of information on how a lot of stuff should be done in the engine, and it is frustrating to say the least trying to figure out what are the right tools for my project.
I have spent over 1000 hours in Blender as an animator and I can't wrap my head around why anyone would say it's inferior to Maya or Max. I would even argue that it's a better tool for general purpose 3D work.
Max was great years ago. It's just been getting worse for about 15 years.
Agree. Maya compared to Blender is an outdated software. Every 10 minutes it crushes, has weird bugs and generally ugly looking. I have to use it for an animation course at the university, and I'm literally in pain. Would prefer using Blender over Maya anyday.
when your software is the industry standard and all you seek is money, there is absolutely no reason to improve it.
When comparing game engines he casually omits Unreal Engine, which is open source.
What ? Really ? ! I had no idea.
@@jonnyso1 that's why unreal tournament servers were always modded to hell
Except it's not. Source code is available but UE4 itself is not open source.
@@SRenshaw how is making the source code open... not open source???
@@nukiradio I think open source means that you can fully contribute to it, where as only making the source code open doesnt mean that the product is not a paid product and is not made from the community as example.
"Things fall apart and projects get abandoned."
Old Microsoft, Adobe, or Apple stuff from the 90s: yeah good luck getting that to work.
Obscure but large open source project: last commit 13 hours ago.
Additionally, open source stuff tends to get picked up by someone when abandoned. Or.. it doesn't get abandoned at all and becomes a ship of Theseus.
Corporate closed source abandonware is usually just dead.
Projects can go unmaintained, but if it's a popular enough project then someone will either attempt to resurrect it or will rewrite something that's compatible with said old project's interfaces.
They don't die out really unless there's no interest in the project as a whole dies with it.
Most software for windows from the 90s will still run today. I wonder if anything from red hat 6 will still run on fedora?
@@jhoughjr1
...As someone who recently got tasked with getting Pastel partner 5 working in Windows 10 64 bit edition...
You can make anything work with enough determination...considering I didn't even have access to the source code.
Godot is an unfair example.It's in its VERY early stages and it still slowly catching up to other good Graphics Engines.
So it sounds like Godot is great and getting greater in time!
With godot 4 coming up it will be a lot more comparable. Also, i tried game maker studio but found godot to be far better (could be just me). As for comparisons with unity, nobody talks about the years before unity 5 came out. I remember unity 3and before and how janky it was (it wasnt bad either). Godot has far better fidelity compared to pre 3.5 unity imo
@@nichtolarchotolok I used game maker for many years and reluctantly switched to Godot for a few years. Godot is better at literally every single thing. Easier to use, faster to develop, more capable, and more performant.
And I thought I would still use game maker for smaller projects since it might be faster to make simple 2d games. But no, I've found Godot to be significantly better for that, as game maker makes you reinvent the wheel for so much of the code. While Godot has so many tools for all sorts of games. Even UI is so difficult in game maker, while Godot might be my favorite UI building software
In my experience, the only thing game maker comes close to Godot in is simple platformer games. Even then I don't think it's worth using, as they don't even have vectors so you have to do any and all math by yourself.
Game maker's only advantages: Game maker studio 2 has a built in Sprite editor which is really convenient and pretty decent. And it's more friendly for people who want nothing to do with code.
@@dugtrioramen a lot of things in game maker didn't really make much sense to me and were counter intuitive to use after having used unity for a while. But godot made so much sense as a programmer despite it's obvious differences compared to unity. I plan on making an actual commercial game with godot soon once i get a new gpu since my old one died and you know what the market is like right now
If you're considering 2D projects, Godot is superior to Unity. That's coming from someone who used both engines.
@@PixelTrik it did seem that way to me. Only issue I had was resources online regarding less popular and fringe topics like certain shader effects and ad integrations. I can't wait to try it out once I have a capable machine.
The elitist guy that refuses to use any software unless there is some evil corporation fucking him over is by far my least favorite type of creator.
It's like a villain trope, but he hurts himself the most
Oh Bill-senpai please sell more of my information to governments and corporations!
I don't know why that statement reminded me most of macOS users (a certain type of them precisely)
I think the ALDI comparison is a window into this person's psyche. This person probably wants name brand products because of the feeling he gets from something easily recognizable. He probably has a golden retriever.
Or he had dreams of being a hotshot indie star, riding on the back of his dream project, but didn't get anywhere and is now in reaction.
I mean even the Aldi has some decent products if you look for them.
Why am I not surprised he's a Mac fanboy as well...
@@Houtblokje In Germany many Aldi products are the exact same products as brand products just without the original branding and cheaper. So the comparison in the article kinda didn't make sense to me 😂
@@astr0n198 Yeah most products here in the Netherlands are also good but cheaper... It actually kinda looked like a compliment 😂
I can get organic non-gmo food at ALDIs for half the price of Walmart let alone Whole Paycheck.
Wow, open source is so awesome and I feel builds a better community.
100% agree
@@fknight those communities also have helped people with learning disabilities like myself to learn code, art programs and UX design and development.
I had an issue with a library that I had imported...so I hit up the creators with an issue,and we worked together to solve the problems. Once my project was done, I sent him an email to my repo and thanked him....he had a look and gave me some pointers on making my code a bit better.
This IMO is why the community can be so dope, people working together to build cool shit, encouraging each other.
@@JonathanBigbarkBarclay yep! I know how to code in C because I am a maintainer on SQSHell and I was having issues with the code after my Dad broke it, and I reached out to experience C coders, to help get an eye on it, and within 5 minutes a person submitted a patch, and the entire forum confirmed it.
it feels more organic and natural
I wanna add something. I once had a lecture who worked at IBM and he told us that IBM in fact pays around 200 people a month only to contribute to open source! Why? Because big tech companies also rely on open source! Anything from Apache is widely used in the industry
Somebody declined his pull request, this guy got issuezoned
I wonder if the fact that the website he has posted his article on, is likely on an open source server, running along side an open source database, on a machine in a building somewhere running on linux, I truely wonder if that irony is lost on him?
That article sounds as if a certain (unnamed) youtuber could have written it (as a millionaire)
I know the youtuber right... 😂😂😂
Free software is free if you don't value your time (as a millionaire)
He actually made a "Why I don't use Linux(as a millionaire)" video and it sucked ass. Watch Mental Outlaw's response. Techlead's video was fucking pathetic.
Open source is based. I am from a third world country and most of the software I make use of to learn new things are open source. People coming together to build something out of compassion and genuine interest is always better than something built for extracting profit. I know this is a competitive world but open source makes it a better place. Long live open source software.
NAH STFU PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE IS BETTER LINUX BAD WINDOWS GOOD ASDLJKFLKJASDFKLJSADLKJFASDLJKFDLJKLKJ
In all seriousness, glad to see people in the FOSS community benefit from it. From an outsider, it looks like a bunch of neckbeards, but in reality, FOSS actually helps. I know what I'm getting. I can contribute. I can reap the benefits of hobbyists everywhere. Good shit
If someone needed to have "Free as in freedom" shouted in their face, it's this guy.
Open source is the foundation of the entire tech industry. Patents and closed source code just hold back progress to keep some Californian CEOs pockets full
This guy's life is probably so corporate-pilled and money-driven that they see faithful volunteers doing work on software for the betterment of every user as a low standard venture. Knowing there's standards to releasing open source software. Even better, open source software allows other users to fix your mistakes while keeping the functionality you intended so...
Cash driven people like open-source, it saves money.
That man definitely has an iphone
And the worst part is people who genuinely has that mindset exists...
"Bro, why are you breathing? There's no profit incentive!"
the idea of Aldi selling open-source food is this author's single greatest contribution in the entire article
As someone who writes proprietary software for a living, I guarantee you that the vast majority of Open Source software is better maintained than proprietary software.
"A complete waste of time"
Funny how there are billion dollar companies doing support for open software that employ engineers that are paid very very well. I work for one of those companies.
Forest, I watch several vids from you a day, and love your mic quality. Any chance we could get your mixer settings or something close to it? Thanks man, you motivate me!
Minor point - you can actually catch thieves of open source from the binaries they release. There’s ways to sift through the binaries for things like variable names that give it away. There’s probably other techniques, too.
Leo seems a bit salty, almost like he had a bad experience with like having code rejected because it was of poor quality. Did Leo feature on /r/badcode?
The guy wants attention, he looks like a kid complaining about the whole game, just because nobody wants him on the team.
Gist of this article is conflating open source with free software, and then conflating free software with anecdotal experiences.
> "Godot is inferior to Unity"
> Proceeds to entirely forget that Unreal Engine is (mostly) FOSS
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Unreal engine isnt open source since it uses a cla license, which means you can only use it in the way epic games wants you to use, so you cant share the code of any of it until the person your sharing it with has signed the cla
@@ok-tr1nw still counts as there also was an argument about how licenses are useless.
The best part of open source is you have all the guys that break code for fun as your QA testers
I love to dry and break games things like running through a wall or worse is fun to watch how strange Spaghetticode does it's thing If at all
So far, this sounds like someone screaming into the wind about how their sunk cost is worth it, because the alternative has to be substandard, because they've spent money on this thing, so it has to be the better, because the alternative has to suck.... Right?
It feels like the writer is using circular logic to legitimise his claims.
Gotta love them conveniently leaving out Krita, Blender, Reaper, Audacity, etc. Tons of free options that aren't open source too. Not to mention things like UE4/5 that you can modify freely and only have to pay for after you've made 6 figures.
They did say Blender is inferior to 3DS Max
There's non-monetary aspects to open vs closed source that are important.
Open vs closed security, barriers to plugin/mod/addon development and derivative works, ease by which abandoned software can or can't be rescued, trust in software, etc.
Hi please could you make a video on students who are studying in cs: practical tips on how to study, note taking etc... and what they should be doing whilst studying in college and after?
Slightly off topic but what are some of your favorite programming blogs? It seems a little tough to find articles of substance these days
I dunno if I missed where Leo had said he has been a developer for 2 decades. But I did.
Holy cow. I was kinda sympathetic if he were a programming 'layman.' But TWO DECADES and he doesn't know what pull requests are??
Wow.
On the left side at the top of the article, and as the footer on the end of the articles, they have written to have "2 decades experience"
The free part in FOSS, technically us not free as in no money, but free as in freedom
I watched this video in an open source browser, on and open source PC operating system, that was probably recorded with an open source recording program, and may very well have been edited in an open source video editor. But yeah, open source sucks.
Also, has this guy every actually shopped at ALDI? You can honestly get some pretty good stuff there.
Bro this man lost all credit when he said linux is inferior to windows and mac. These two children of Linux using their Kernels are obviously inferior.
Windows and MacOS don't use the Linux kernel (as far as I know, maybe they borrowed some parts of the code)
Windows does have an interesting virtualization option of Linux. It was fun to play around with, but back when I tried it, it was waaay slower and less stable than running Linux natively.
I use Ubuntu mainly and it's an absolute joy to work and play videogames on!
@@RainbowVision Windows does have the Linux kernal, its how WSL works (its literally running Linux inside of Windows which is still a very strange concept to me) Windows ITSELF doesn't use the Linux kernal, but it does have it within Windows
@@RogueRen ohh ok, thanks for explaining
@@RogueRen It is strange but I use it to run linux commands and run c programs on it on my windows machine for my operating systems course at college. So wsl is kinda useful
@@RainbowVision MacOS was built on top of FreeBSD, which is open source.
I just watched a video by DistroTube talking about the same thing
Using FOSS has helped me feel so free from proprietary constraints
It also made me want to learn and contribute to the community as well, monetary or by learning to program
Recently subscribed and hope to see more great videos!
Yeah. Distrotube. Love that guy. I’ve been binge watching his videos the past week after installing manjaro and then arch linux on my system. I have never been that interested in open source projects and just thought it was a cool concept. But his videos have really opened up a world of possibilities. Right now, i am looking for any open source projects that i can contribute to.
Great content and you make lots of interesting points!
Just a side note/bit of personal feedback : the transition noise is a little jarring. Probably just me being ear sensitive lol but it's like a 3/10 compared to fingernails on a board (fingernails being a 10 obviously)
Well, since you mentioned it (in the company culture bit), a collab with Joshua Fluke would be great.
Great video.
This guy hating on open source while most probably his article is hosted on a Linux server (and maybe using wordpress). I love the sweet taste of irony
Well, that was a BAD fit for something to watch with my morning coffee. Now I'm starting my day with a tiny bit of anger - _-
I worked in 3D graphics for years, and used to teach 3DS Max! And I can tell you that blender has a way easier learning curve. It was not always this way, but the vision he has is like 10 years old at this point. And now that I am a developer, his words are even more of a joke! If we ignore that he doesn't actually know what open source means and is mixing it up with "community driven" projects, how many community driven projects are there that can rival or sometimes exceed the commercial counterparts? Vue vs. React and Angular? Linux vs. Windows in the server space? Blender vs. 3DS Max, Maya, AND Cinema4D?
Please don't make stupid people famous, this guy is dying for attention, and by featuring him in a video, we're just making him more visible. Remember that all marketing is good marketing, even the bad one.
Yeah.. Aren't we all just feeding an Alpha Troll here!?
Hope you had a great day either way. And don't worry, no one's clicking on that abysmal Medium article.
I used to use blender to mesh edit models and then imported them into 3Ds Max R2 (late 90s early 2000s) Just because Blender wasn't quite as ripe back in the day, didn't mean it was inferior, It still had its uses.
Dude youve a great channel, congrats. I have a question if you have time. I am applying to return to college next year and I am so stuck between Finance, Engineering or CS. I am slowley letting go of finance because I want a practical skill and I think the financial world is dominated by people from good schools so ill probably get nowhere. Between Engineering and CS I am totally stuck... My landlord is a manager of a Software team at a big company so I imagine acquiring work would be fairly easy, also my housemate has a MScCS and works for a Bank so they are two big influences and could help me during college and get me jobs. But I am extremely outdoorsy, I like kayaking and climbing mountains and climbing into caves and part of me wonders how I could ever juggle two such different lifestyles. I dont even own a TV. Im never at home or sitting down, im always doing something. Do you think CS would drive an outdoorsy person crazy ? Also, I have only ever played with CSS and HTML and have no real knowledge of the subject. Would a person struggle in that field if they have no inheirant history with growing up playing games or messing around with computers. Would it be a massive struggle to enter the course completely oblivious ?... what are your thoughts on Electrical Engineering ? The only reason CS is leading the pack so far is that everywhere I look online people say EE is too hard and one would have to be an absolute A student genious to pass. Any thoughts ?
Harlen Ellison spoke wise words about a script and I think it applies here too "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your *informed* opinion. No one is entitled to being ignorant."
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Imagine that feeling when even Jesus doesn't like you
I've been making music using LMMS for years now, despite having more than enough money to afford Ableton or FL if I so desired -- both of which I am also familiar with. This may just be an anecdote, but it's simply not always the price tag that makes the difference. And to leverage such a concept as the point of an entire article is a little strange. Furthermore, I don't think FOSS users conjure some safe haven for bad developers any more than the Unity game engine has.
OpenToonz is far and away the finest 2D animation software available. Full stop, so I hear you.
They really need to update lmms tho
The crazy part is a lot of the big contributions to open source come from salaried employees at big companies coding on company dime to add features the company wants. Not to mention, you can still sell open source projects via licenses. Of course someone can just steal the code, but the same thing can happen with non-open source. I wonder what % of photoshop installations have a legitimate license attached versus pirated copies.
your smoothest sponsor segment yet. loved that transition XD
I think this guy doesn't know the meaning of "decade." I think he meant 2 minutes. He's clearly never seen the massive, decades-old proprietary company software that programmers love to complain about lol
Let's take a moment to look at the platform he posted his anti-os nonsense one. A job advert for Medium lists the following programming languages: Go (open source), Python (oh look, open source), and Javascript (open standard). They want someone with experience of Prometheus (open source), Kubernetes (yep, open source) and Apache Mesos (open source). In another ad, they want someone who has been a Linux (open source) systems administrator.
I think it's safe to say that, while it isn't open source by itself, Medium is built with and hosted on open source technologies and software. He should have found a platform that doesn't make use of any open source components to post his complaints.
He would've had to host it on his own Windows PC probably
Even Microsoft hosting solutions use a lot of opensource stuff
Hey great video! I thought the transition effect especially the sound was a little distracting, idk if thats just me
Saying open source is bad because it leaves you open to people pirating your code is like saying print publishing is bad because it leaves you open to someone stealing your novel.
the way you introduced the sponsor was so smooooth 🤣
I think the writer is either completely ignorant or trolling on purpose.
The office looks good now unlike earlier when it was kinda stuffed, you could add some decorations I think it would look a lot...... better!
I saw this article and didn't read it at the time. Somehow you ended up in list in UA-cam, so not a waste of time. I got to agree with your points and didn't have to go through the article multiple times
"Inexperience devs can contribute"
"The toxic community doesn't help inexperienced devs"
Bro pick one
"Blender is inferior to 3DS Max"
Explains why Blender is used in game development and even at the AAA level
What the article is basically saying: "Blender sucks, use 3DS Max. Oh it's missing a feature you need? Try Maya, ZBrush, other alternatives? What, you can't afford that many subscriptions at once for your indie game studio? Lol try making some money first or get a real job. Whatever you do, don't use Blender it's inferior but I won't explain why because it'd be a whole book."
A long time ago I used Windows XP and was struggling with LOTR-The return of The King PC game, a friend introduced me to Linux Mint, I put it on my machine with the same hardware and the game installed in Wine and then played at full power, smooth as... also had photoshop 7 and gimp on the same install and to be honest both were as good as each other.
Regarding the "huge legacy app" part: are there any huge legacy ridden open source apps?
I've worked on two biggish proprietary apps; because I was paid; and had I been contributing to them on my own, I would have jumped ship or rewritten them from the ground up.
It seems to me that legacy-apps would be a proprietary thing. Not because open source is magically immune to it, but because the project would die or be rebooted _before_ it enters the legacy stage. Legacy code requires the altered incentives of for pay code.
The people who disliked this video, are LEO and his friends. LOL
This boi hasn't heard of Linux, Vulkan, Firefox or Chromium
Or the android OS technically, no?
@@Jackofafewtrades Yeah, AOSP is oss. It uses the Linux kernel
@@erikreider man, what would the world be without Linux and OSS? Shows you this dude in the article has no idea what he's on about.
How hard is to rewrite an os like Linux or a database or a compiler by our selfs ?
To all of us developers that are actually educated, what this guy posted was basically, "2 * 2 = 22".
It's the most ignorant post that's possible when it comes to critiquing FOSS.
Someone that learns what BASH stands for has more knowledge than the author of this article.
unreal is better then unity and its opensource...
Without BSD macos won't have been possible, atleast not as we know it .
Bet this article guy knows about that too. 1🤣
I think a lot of programmers would like to see the code of big projects like AAA games or professional software like autodesk.
It's called curiosity and is the drive to think different and in other ways.
"Aldi version" is an interesting turn of phrase. At least over here in Germany, if you buy, say, a water cooker at Aldi, you can be sure that a) it's made in China and quite inexpensive *and* b) it won't die on you any time soon. Same goes for anything else, from pre-built PCs to step ladders: You get something basic, but solid. They don't sell throw-away stuff, after all, that would be bad value for the money.
13:07 if you find a bug that wasn't patched before your code was "stolen"(misappropriated), you at least have a sign because you can try the same thing on the suspect.... not that much more except when someone reverse-engineers the suspected program (if the thief/scammer hasn't protected the executable(s) from that)......
Would you consider axing that glitch transition? Or at least the sound? I find it quite annoying.
my response to his thing about people stealing your code and using it is: that's true of all software. all of it. I can go and pirate Adobe's software and resell it as my own... its illegal. the only way any software piracy can be enforced is through legal channels which means the only software that is actually safe from this are large companies who can afford lawyers. period.
A few reasons to why use and create open source:
1. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. Why should I start to make a time zone software for my project if somebody already broke their head about how to make that, only to display time on my program.
2. if you still can make money of your project after it is open source then you basically as a company benefit from making parts or everything of your software open source. Because more developers will help you for free with your software and so both the company and the people have a benefit from it.
3. its free.
The poor man's version of something doesn't mean it's a bad version of something it just means that it's what poor people would use.
Reminds me of a roommate I had, dude kept saying if a meecedez is better than a toyota/subaru on the road, its better everywhere else. People like these have made up their minds and nothing will change that.
So VScode is better than codeblocks? Should I be learning to program C++ in VScode instead?
the whole article I was like: "that's not how it works, that's not how any of this works"
For the blender example the blender foundation did try to make blender a paid program for 1.5 i think but by 1.6 it was back to being open source and free to use. The reason why is the user and developer drop off from going from free to paid but yes version 1.5 is still able to be downloaded and use. Right now 20ish years later i think it is on version 2.92 and 3.1(alpha). Everything abought it changed due to major changes in code so version 3 is nothing like the code of 1.5. You also have in the license agreement they use IF you take out certain parts and pieces it legally is able to be sold as a product IF you include and make able to be seen and modified the code of the blender version the product is using. The thing is Cycles is not owned by Blender nor is it under any license that you can sell your own product at all with cycles includes so to sell blender you will have to recompile it with cycles not included. Yes there is a compile flag for that to happen. You also have OptiX will have to be not included in the compile as it is owned enough by nVidia that if sold nVidia gets a cut. How it is used by blender is it is in it for free with its own separate and apart from the blender license agreement for that rendering option.
etc. with how you have to recompile it to exclude everything that requires you to get permission from another company to work with for another product. I think the guy who wrote the article thought there was ONLY 1 license agreement like most pay for it software not i think blender is up to 5 now if not more. There are many reasons for that but in short the program needs parts from copyrighted material owned by other companies but allowed to use it under an agreement outline in said license agreement text. You get to it by opening the python file on the top of the file usually in the comments for some for others there a text file under .nfo or .md.
I do agree it will take a book of 500+ pages to explain how open source works and doesn't work. The why is there are to many parts and pieces to put just into 1 comment on UA-cam.
A subreddit for bad code you say... I haven't checked it out yet but if it is not about shaming people I think it can be a fun way to learn from others mistakes. It can probably also be eye opening in terms of how we all approach problems differently which can be interesting and useful.
How can you even code without using open source frameworks or libraries? I'm an IT consultant / programmer and have yet to see a commercial project that does not include any open source library in its technology stack.
I think this thinking relies on the people you see in the FOSS community that accept GIMP as a Photoshop/Affinity Photo alternative or Kdenlive as a Premiere alternative etc. They don't really see the amazing software like Blender and Krita that could not be nearly as good if it was closed source without a community