Very good! Paper cone is not a problem for normal (music) usage in direct radiating or bassreflex enclosure. It gets problem when used for single-tune SPL challenges or horn loaded designs. Got paper 21" myself, and it´s awesome.
Wow, makes the new btl neo 18s look small. I feel inferior... , no, my box size will be inferior. That's what she said. I'll have a hard time with 6-8 cubes for each of mine, not really jealous. How much space do they recommend?
I'm doing a pair of 12s or 15s in a Tline for my entertainment room. Instead of a Tline box design, I'm taking the ¼ tuning length and just cutting a strait piece of tubing to length. (kinda like a sono-tube, but itll be cut to the ¼ tuning length) The room will be a 24'x20' room, and I'll run the 'Tline' tubes down the sides of the room, or across the font of the room. A box design is just too big, but I can hide 15'+ of tubes either side of the room. Should mame for some awesome lows.
I hope youre using more than one tube for each woofer buddy. A decent t-line needs to have a line area equivalent to that of the cone area. So for a 12" woofer, generally youd need a pipe with a 9 - 11" diameter (or two/three 6" pipes) , or a square line that is 8"x8" or so.
glad to see the triple joint looks proper. have a 15mo old redline 800 18 that all the glue is cracked to hell. Had on 2k rms with proper electrical and setting sun sub barely moved, suspension is still stiff as the day I got it but that triple joint is garbage. also I broke sub in 1st 2 mo on 1100 watts and kept volume to min. have vids on my channel if u have any other questions.
I really dislike the 800 series. The spider is completely wrong for the woofer, it takes so much power to get going, doesnt move much and doesnt drop well at all. Thats why ive never done a video of it despite having a pair of the 800 series 12"s for demo at one point.
barevids I just hope dd makes it right. and I couldn't agree more about spider... still stiff as a morning pecker after 15mo of play time on 2k clamped and triple joint is cracked to all hell.. Hope I got a bad one and it gets warrantied because coil and spiders are perfect shape
The RMS ratings on DDs website refer to actual continuous clamped power. This is what ALL manufacturers should be quoting. However annoyingly cheaper brands will quote an "RMS" figure that actually means "this is what amplifier power you should be using", which is completely different to actual clamped power. Ill explain this in a later video. But, since this "matching amp RMS" rating seems to have become the norm, I feel that stating these woofers are 5000Wrms will better help others to compare the performance capabilities of these to other brands, such as ground zero.
barevids, Cheers I have been looking to make a single subwoofer blow through system. Trying to find the best woofer for the highest SPL. There are so many options. Do you think you could give me any suggestions? What do you think of a forth order setup or even 6th or 8th if i can find enough cubes?
I personally dislike 4th orders. Its basically a sealed box with an enhanced high-bass chamber. Eurgh. If you are strapped for space, a simple ported box coupled with a woofer that has a softer spider and a strong motor will do you well. When you shrink box size, you lose efficiency, and need power to make up for it, either by having more motor power or more amplifier power (or both). DDs would be great in this scenario when coupled with the soft spider option, since the motor force and coil gaps are so tight/strong. It then just comes down to your budget, and power available as to which woofer you get. 6th orders require a lot more space, dont even do there with 8ths unless you have a degree in acoustics. Sealed can actually have the nicest sound in a small space, but will not get as loud as a ported version.
The only reason I wanted to do a bandpass box was so i only have the port coming in to the cab of the ute. I know Im going to need a lot of power to do high SPL that i'm looking for just trying something different as have never seen one in New Zealand and through possibly could gain more db's with some kind of bandpass. My thoughts so for power would be a 9 or 10k with all the appropriate batteries and alts. Just trying to determine what sub on the market has the best bang for buck. Would love one of those dd9921 but out of my price range.
love your vids. do you ever do Subwoofer giveaways? I would love to be a part of that. I enjoy your reviews on subs because it helps me make my decisions on what sub I want and how many I should get based on quality and output. thanks😉😉 Forever Your Fan Martrell a.k.d DjMonsta
I would personally go with the stereo integrity hst 24 if I wanted huge like that, or maybe the higher fs of the sundown 24. What's the fs of those? The SI should be around 17 Hz, sundowns are the low 20s I think. I know dd usually has higher frequency subs, like high 30s
Ignore the Fs parameters on the website, theyre completely wrong. The 9915 Supercharged woofer for example has a broken in Fs of 32hz. The website is more like 40.. they dont break them in enough before testing t/s. ill be putting these 21s on the DATs soon.
barevids I think nick is limited because of his ms. And nick and si are like squatting in sundowns office/warehouse here in north Carolina we're I'm living. I know he had something to do with the sundown 24 that was released. I just don't know why he doesn't ask Jacob to help him with a loan for a mass production line of subs. I know Obsidian made great budget subs, I still have two v1 15s, but he just didn't get out there like sundown did. You had to order off their poor site, and only die hard audio guys ever heard of them. Even Steve meade was doing woofer flex Friday with the si ht18, and he never heard of Obsidian. It just doesn't make sense at all. So much potential. Oh well. I would love to see more products from nick. I would buy from him before Kevin at skar. What's the deal with everyone hating on him anyways?
Im sure these subs hammer pretty good. But i dont get why they dont move like 5 inched?? Why so small of a x max. My budget 15's move as far or farther than this.They need bigger surrounds and more x max.
Jon Doe are you new to the audio world? Not trying to say this in a condescending or disrespectful way. Anyone that knows subwoofers knows that DD is among the best. Literally in the top 10... if not 5 brands. There's plenty of videos on UA-cam that explain the "excursion paradox". Oh and he's also simply breaking them in.... and not on some 10K amp either. Hopefully you get to upgrade out of your "budget 15s" one day.
Can I ask what is actually breaking in on a woofer? Like what part? In RC when you break in a motor its to allow for the metals to expand and shave off a bit creating almost perfect tolerances. Is there a part on woofers that goes through this type of change? I can actually imagine the voicecoils heating up, but they would never make contact with anything would they? Just a thought Ive been having, Probably been answered before Im certain.
Anyone have ported box dimensions for these to hit 30-35hz? I have a very similar looking 21" sub but it's missing a lot of specs and it's discontinued. Want to build a box, just can't calculate the size. Thanks!
Subwoofer Videos hahah doubt many Jamie is competing in usaci with 2 9918s on 2 z2c buddy lol. LOL I've dumped an m5 on my single 9512j aslong as its clean power you'd be surprised but again depends on use . daily? spl? Streat beat? or burps
I think my camera has reset itself, lol! It should be 29.760 or something. 25 is the default PAL setting for UK. 30 is the NTSC setting for USA etc. Its to do with what frequency our lights flicker at, you use 120v 60hz, we use 250v 50hz.
You probably can't fit 2 of them in a vehicle because it would be one hell of a subwoofer enclosure for 2 of them better off using it for home audio because there's no way you can fit 2 of them in a car
One Cosmic to break it in. Barevids literally has a video explanation of practically everything you can think of when it comes to subs. You should subscribe.
One Cosmic oh, because they're not his subs. He's a DD distributor so he doesn't have the box for them. The free air demo is only to break them in. He explains what is happening when you "break them in" in another video and why it needs to be done out of the box. Hope that helps. I didn't understand it at first either until I saw a side by side comparison of a sub that was broken in vs not.
it's been so long since you uploaded! good to see your still using your channel!
Very good! Paper cone is not a problem for normal (music) usage in direct radiating or bassreflex enclosure. It gets problem when used for single-tune SPL challenges or horn loaded designs. Got paper 21" myself, and it´s awesome.
Those subwoofer are amazing
Nice pair of subs
Wow what a awesome subwoffers especially with the softer spider parts I love it
I never realized how big the 9900 motor actually was until seeing it on the 21" frame.... Incredible.
What a massive sub! In the right box they must be going crazy!
I use those Amcron Macrotech amps all the time. Absolutely bulletproof and can chuck out the power.
Wow, makes the new btl neo 18s look small. I feel inferior... , no, my box size will be inferior. That's what she said. I'll have a hard time with 6-8 cubes for each of mine, not really jealous. How much space do they recommend?
still waiting for a 30"' or bigger so i can put one in my house and use it as a chair.
targetfett Alphard audio has a 32 for 7500$
targetfett audiobahn had a 34" (edit) every Clarion had a 32
Ground Zero germanator
B2 has a 33" .
What a beasts!!
3:35 what's music version? diferent bass, i liked.
TLINE THOSE!
My goodness, the size of the box it would take to T-Line a sub this size....... It would be epic though.
That would be SICK. More than enough cone area. Would need a massive van do make it work though but my god i wanna do it so bad...
barevids replying to comments at midnite, what a true UA-camr of the fans.
I'm doing a pair of 12s or 15s in a Tline for my entertainment room. Instead of a Tline box design, I'm taking the ¼ tuning length and just cutting a strait piece of tubing to length. (kinda like a sono-tube, but itll be cut to the ¼ tuning length) The room will be a 24'x20' room, and I'll run the 'Tline' tubes down the sides of the room, or across the font of the room. A box design is just too big, but I can hide 15'+ of tubes either side of the room. Should mame for some awesome lows.
I hope youre using more than one tube for each woofer buddy. A decent t-line needs to have a line area equivalent to that of the cone area. So for a 12" woofer, generally youd need a pipe with a 9 - 11" diameter (or two/three 6" pipes) , or a square line that is 8"x8" or so.
1st song was my favorite song
EXOcontralto did a video with the DD truck in the US, a couple of days ago. Well worth a watch.
Nice job repping Wintersun 😎 Time 2 comes out on February 31st
what was the last song loyal killed my 40w RMS JVC speaker
Beautiful subs and cool video.
Love to see you still at it. Please drop a link to that loyal rebassed. Definitely need that remix in my life!!!
i can't wait to hear these subs with box!
how much is it to supercharge two dd9512
glad to see the triple joint looks proper. have a 15mo old redline 800 18 that all the glue is cracked to hell. Had on 2k rms with proper electrical and setting sun sub barely moved, suspension is still stiff as the day I got it but that triple joint is garbage. also I broke sub in 1st 2 mo on 1100 watts and kept volume to min. have vids on my channel if u have any other questions.
I really dislike the 800 series. The spider is completely wrong for the woofer, it takes so much power to get going, doesnt move much and doesnt drop well at all. Thats why ive never done a video of it despite having a pair of the 800 series 12"s for demo at one point.
barevids I agree for every part but the dropping low. My 18 lives around 24- 33hz
Ah i havent tried the 18". the bigger cone probably helps.
barevids I just hope dd makes it right. and I couldn't agree more about spider... still stiff as a morning pecker after 15mo of play time on 2k clamped and triple joint is cracked to all hell.. Hope I got a bad one and it gets warrantied because coil and spiders are perfect shape
chris jones its cheap shit.. i love dd drivers but those are cheap shit..
The visual illusion on the camera is cause by the rolling shutter.
i seriously want to see a video of the customer playing the completed build
How do you use these in the house??
whats up with the foam gasket on the top ? just for inverting ??
@barevids where is the boombox project?
I thought the 9900 series was rated to 2500Wrms? 10000W burst?
The RMS ratings on DDs website refer to actual continuous clamped power. This is what ALL manufacturers should be quoting. However annoyingly cheaper brands will quote an "RMS" figure that actually means "this is what amplifier power you should be using", which is completely different to actual clamped power. Ill explain this in a later video. But, since this "matching amp RMS" rating seems to have become the norm, I feel that stating these woofers are 5000Wrms will better help others to compare the performance capabilities of these to other brands, such as ground zero.
barevids, Cheers I have been looking to make a single subwoofer blow through system. Trying to find the best woofer for the highest SPL. There are so many options. Do you think you could give me any suggestions? What do you think of a forth order setup or even 6th or 8th if i can find enough cubes?
I personally dislike 4th orders. Its basically a sealed box with an enhanced high-bass chamber. Eurgh.
If you are strapped for space, a simple ported box coupled with a woofer that has a softer spider and a strong motor will do you well. When you shrink box size, you lose efficiency, and need power to make up for it, either by having more motor power or more amplifier power (or both). DDs would be great in this scenario when coupled with the soft spider option, since the motor force and coil gaps are so tight/strong. It then just comes down to your budget, and power available as to which woofer you get.
6th orders require a lot more space, dont even do there with 8ths unless you have a degree in acoustics. Sealed can actually have the nicest sound in a small space, but will not get as loud as a ported version.
The only reason I wanted to do a bandpass box was so i only have the port coming in to the cab of the ute. I know Im going to need a lot of power to do high SPL that i'm looking for just trying something different as have never seen one in New Zealand and through possibly could gain more db's with some kind of bandpass. My thoughts so for power would be a 9 or 10k with all the appropriate batteries and alts. Just trying to determine what sub on the market has the best bang for buck. Would love one of those dd9921 but out of my price range.
Are you hating on GZ?
finally new video!
What's the name of the song at 11:00/12:13 in the video???
soundcloud.com/leliondub/le-lion-positive-1
what is that track ???? that one with flute ???
SimranJeet Singh sadness and sorrow Rebaass
the 9900 are huge next to the 21" frame
jeeeeeez wen u even walkt in i was like Wtf, wats that XD
How many cubes for each? In ft please, I can't place litres in my head.
J Stevens could always convert liters to cuft.... 1 litre is 0.035 cuft
so (x) litres multiple by 0.035 will give you cuft conversion
mat k public high school, public math bro! 😳
Jericho Snaxxx excuse me?
the "public math" part is just a common joking phrase where I grew up
well yer but clearly this person couldn't do that. i could have said google it. but i actually gave constructive advise
love your vids. do you ever do Subwoofer giveaways? I would love to be a part of that. I enjoy your reviews on subs because it helps me make my decisions on what sub I want and how many I should get based on quality and output. thanks😉😉
Forever Your Fan
Martrell a.k.d DjMonsta
I would personally go with the stereo integrity hst 24 if I wanted huge like that, or maybe the higher fs of the sundown 24. What's the fs of those? The SI should be around 17 Hz, sundowns are the low 20s I think. I know dd usually has higher frequency subs, like high 30s
Ignore the Fs parameters on the website, theyre completely wrong. The 9915 Supercharged woofer for example has a broken in Fs of 32hz. The website is more like 40.. they dont break them in enough before testing t/s. ill be putting these 21s on the DATs soon.
barevids I think nick is limited because of his ms. And nick and si are like squatting in sundowns office/warehouse here in north Carolina we're I'm living. I know he had something to do with the sundown 24 that was released. I just don't know why he doesn't ask Jacob to help him with a loan for a mass production line of subs. I know Obsidian made great budget subs, I still have two v1 15s, but he just didn't get out there like sundown did. You had to order off their poor site, and only die hard audio guys ever heard of them. Even Steve meade was doing woofer flex Friday with the si ht18, and he never heard of Obsidian. It just doesn't make sense at all. So much potential. Oh well. I would love to see more products from nick. I would buy from him before Kevin at skar. What's the deal with everyone hating on him anyways?
J Stevens yeah im about 15 min's from Jacobs shop in n.c. too. I wondered those same things.
Im sure these subs hammer pretty good. But i dont get why they dont move like 5 inched?? Why so small of a x max. My budget 15's move as far or farther than this.They need bigger surrounds and more x max.
Jon Doe are you new to the audio world? Not trying to say this in a condescending or disrespectful way. Anyone that knows subwoofers knows that DD is among the best. Literally in the top 10... if not 5 brands. There's plenty of videos on UA-cam that explain the "excursion paradox". Oh and he's also simply breaking them in.... and not on some 10K amp either. Hopefully you get to upgrade out of your "budget 15s" one day.
Jon Doe I just checked out your page. You're no noob. LOL. You've got a pretty good system.
What da f
For some reason, I can't seem to understand what he's saying when he names the last song...
Can anyone comment the name for me?
Thanks ahead of time
Swervin Skirvin Chris Brown-Loyal
those will destroy the world
Nice janoskis!
Can you do a video on the DSI-1!
CarAudioGuy803 ! yeah can do. I have one here.
We're the nice big esp ribbed surround
Would you ever release your rebassed music?
Damn them 21" woofers doe
hey man what happen to the DD vs SA last time? have you ever finish it in a box test?
Whats the song at the 2:39 mark? id love to hear that in the system in my truck lmao
Can I ask what is actually breaking in on a woofer? Like what part? In RC when you break in a motor its to allow for the metals to expand and shave off a bit creating almost perfect tolerances. Is there a part on woofers that goes through this type of change? I can actually imagine the voicecoils heating up, but they would never make contact with anything would they? Just a thought Ive been having, Probably been answered before Im certain.
The spider/suspention softening up to resting compliance
Would love a price on these 48060
Good day. Do you have any old subs that you do not want?
isnt that carbon fiber with Kevlar ??
Hello. How is name song on 3:34 ?
Chris Brown - Loyal (Explicit) ft. Lil Wayne, Tyga
Thank you
oh my god how much does one cost ?
£1359 each, plus £89 for the supercharge!
Is the sc part just a piece of neo magnet on the pole piece
Ive emailed you dude
Cheers mate!
so now i must ask,what do those DD 21's cost each?.
how much ? an where can i buy it @
Anyone have ported box dimensions for these to hit 30-35hz? I have a very similar looking 21" sub but it's missing a lot of specs and it's discontinued. Want to build a box, just can't calculate the size.
Thanks!
yay
What is the last song, positive by what? Lay liam, lie leon - what?
Le lion - positive
Cheers m8, I've wasted half an hour looking for it. Great to see people like creative stuff like deep medi/dubstep styles.
Isnt there a link to download your re-bass stuff?
BurningArtsStudios Facebook BPrebass
DAYUM!!!
What is the song in the intro called? I can't find it.
Le Lion - Positive
Belfor09 Thank you!
beautiful
what is the name of the medow song
Need that BP rebase music files please
with a surround that small i highly doubt they can support 5000w rms
oh yeah because surround size is definitely related to power handling! 0.o
not to mention they come stock with what looks like 12 gauge wiring
Subwoofer Videos
hahah doubt many Jamie is competing in usaci with 2 9918s on 2 z2c buddy lol. LOL I've dumped an m5 on my single 9512j aslong as its clean power you'd be surprised but again depends on use . daily? spl? Streat beat? or burps
hey how you power it?
Wish the surround was bigger
Why itd be ugly
What's the frequency response of these?
20-100Hz
holly shit thoose are BEASTS
Why didn't you just go DDZ 21?
a) its not my build its a customer order and b) you cant "just" go to the Z version, as it is about 4 times the price. Considerably higher investment.
song at 5:47 ?
Song? 5.35
Rickard Svensson sadness and sorrow rebassed
45 hundred watts not 45 thousand watts. I know what you meant anyway.......Nice subs. What size spiders are on them? 10"?
I think he ment 4-5k rms, dunno tho...
I think you are correct on that. Aussie's are hard for me to understand some times. 10,000 watts on a burp is phenomenal for 1 subwoofer. Awesome!!
haha! I see that... four-to-five does kinda sound like forty five :P
I want them subwoofer
what song is at 2.39
sound like a ten or a 12? transiant response and low distortion have no specific sound
i think i once had the same carpet :D
How is name song on 5:27 ?
Naruto - Sadness and Sorrow (BP Rebass)
Thanks
why 25 fps? its should be 30 no?
I think my camera has reset itself, lol! It should be 29.760 or something. 25 is the default PAL setting for UK. 30 is the NTSC setting for USA etc. Its to do with what frequency our lights flicker at, you use 120v 60hz, we use 250v 50hz.
yea i understand
You probably can't fit 2 of them in a vehicle because it would be one hell of a subwoofer enclosure for 2 of them better off using it for home audio because there's no way you can fit 2 of them in a car
Most suv's can fit 21's.
In my suv I can "easily" fit two 21's in the back. Port facing the trunk, subs up.
I'm still disappointed that pretty much everybody that makes a 21 inch subwoofer keeps using the same basket as the death penalty
Honestly I love it.. Beautiful looking basket with it's thick spokes
I'm not a fan of thin spoke baskets
That chris brown loyal beat is way different and i think its better than the original one anyone know that remix?
Theres 18" massive subwoofer that's has 6000W rms
those are gonna slam 😂😂😂
Y 38 and I thought y35 was good lol
Jesus Christ! They dont ask anything to the Zs lol
id sell my soul for a pair of those.. or maybe something better than i have now..
What is the fucking point of using subwoofers without an enclosure ???
One Cosmic to break it in. Barevids literally has a video explanation of practically everything you can think of when it comes to subs. You should subscribe.
But i mean there is no point to make a bare subwoofer run without an enclosure.
There is in this case, to break the subwoofer in before running in the enclosure. This is safer for the woofers and amplifiers.
One Cosmic oh, because they're not his subs. He's a DD distributor so he doesn't have the box for them. The free air demo is only to break them in. He explains what is happening when you "break them in" in another video and why it needs to be done out of the box. Hope that helps. I didn't understand it at first either until I saw a side by side comparison of a sub that was broken in vs not.
Thanks for explanation then, i will have a look a that.
lol