The Moonman M800 | Imitation is the sincerest form of...
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Moonman makes some great pens, and I like them best when they are original, or at least a new variation on a theme. This one is neither, but the resin got me. Is it a good pen beyond the borrowed good looks?
This pen is available through Amazon in blue with a Bock nib from Germany: amzn.to/2ZAYH0K
Or, I bought it in green from this seller on eBay with the Moonman nib: ebay.to/3bUVJa9
(both nibs and more colors)
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It looks like the Italian primo pen which costs about ten times as much. Currently about $30 with the Moonman nib…over $55 with the Bock nib. The Italian original is going for about $300! Any and all outrage about these pens stealing buyers should be laughed out of court. Do you buy an original oil painting, or a print? Right. The market is totally different. I say congrats to the Moonman brand (etc.) for bringing these good designs to the masses. Those of us who can never afford a $300 pen appreciate it.
i concur. I only seek a pen to write at a reasonable acceptable price and at times enjoy the design of the pen. So for the $USD300 type of pen, I will pass, sorry, to me those expensive pens are not worth it, I would rather spend on iPad 9 which I can get more entertainment other than writing from it. I bought two Pelikan m200s and I regret it because I bought those on impulse and with higher expectation comes greater disappointment, the Pelikan m200 pens I owned do not have exceedingly better writing experience than my Jinhao and Hongdian pens....
Yesterday I received my first Moonman M800 Bock F nib with Amber body. It’s gorgeous! I love the depth in the material and totally agree with your opinion.
I am just waiting when Moonman / Jinhao / Wing Sung / Penbbs or Kaigelu will get "Inspired" by Visconti designs, specifically "Visconti Speakeasy" or "Visconti Corsani Octa90nal" or even a "Scribo Feel" 😜 😉
The moonman m800 will be perfect if this is using a piston filler mechanism. Good video. My moonman m800 and m600s will be arriving today.
Pleasant review. I normally collect vintage pens but you have me seriously considering this one. Thanks.
this apparently comes with a bock nib too for a bit extra
I wish it was a piston filler tho
Asvine just came out with a piston version. I have one on the way for review, but it’ll be a few weeks.
La apariencia de esa pluma es fantástica. Bellísima. Tiene usted razón en justificar en eso su compra. Saludos cordiales desde Medellín Colombia. Por cierto, que letra tan bonita la suya.
After going back and forth on this for months I used some reward points, and bough this M800 in purple. Will see if I can live with that section.
Oh the m800, a great choise, pelikan pens are very high quality and uses inhouse nibs.
Thank you again, James: another thoughtful review, & one that's helped me choose my birthday present next month! Blessings, Bill
Happy early birthday!
I have this exact pen but with a Moonman fine nib and it is a smooth writer that gets better with each use. It is news that there are medium Moonman nibs. Wonderful review!
It's a F, I didn't catch that before. Oops! It may just be the smoothness and the slight broadness for a F that made me think it was a M.
For me the M800 wasn't love at first write. Initially I didn't like the nib section and the amber pen with J. Herbin Ambre de Birmanie combo left me underwhelmed. I was able to sell them as a package and recouped my money. But I'd heard good things about the pen, so I bought another pen in blue. Today I finally inked it up with PenBBS Santorini ink and love this pairing. And the Moonman nib is really smooth. It writes like a dream out of the box. I've been eyeing the M600 in checkerboard. Very nice review, James.
Glad the second pen was a hit!
Been thinking about getting a Moonman. This is encouraging me even more. Thanks for the review!
I have a Moonman M1 somewhere between here and China. No idea when it'll actually get to me, but it's on the way.
Shipping from China is definitely still impacted, and the delays are uneven. This pen, for example, came in a very pre-corona timely fashion. A Wing Sung 698 I ordered at the same time (late March) still isn't here, even though it hit California shores a couple of weeks ago. But, at least they are still getting here eventually. I had a Hero 616 come in this week that tracking said hadn't even cleared China yet (for $1.39, I can't be too impatient).
@@JG3Reviews Incidentally, I wrote that wrong in my original comment. It was a Moonman N1, not M1. It finally arrived and I love it! Very good fine nib on it! I got a Moonman 80 mini yesterday, and liked it so well out of the package I ordered a second one in another color! I'm rapidly becoming a big fan of Moonman pens!
I have one with the purple finish and it's a great looking pen.However my Moonman F nib was very dry and hat problems with skipping. So I opened up the nib slit a bit with a brass sheet and now it's writing very smooth, wet and without skipping (and it's still an F nib).
I was having exactly the same issue with an F nib in the Galaxy M800!
James, I would have thought for sure you would have gone for the blue....Nice choice, love green.
That green pen is just asking for some green ink.... 😉🖋😉
I'm not saying the blue won't happen. lol
@@JG3Reviews I'd go for the Bock nib on a blue....just saying, lol.
@@JG3Reviews They are all great colors, I vacilated between blue, green, and purple before going for purple.
Good job! I too think Moonman is capable of some simple design changes that would add little to no cost; however, I also believe they have either developed or purchased some truly beautiful resins. If they could train some artisans to perform some of the services that Japanese artisans or even Indian pen manufacturers can do with their tools and routers, the pen would be high end! However, as with differences between the early Japanese cars (mine in 1968 in Japan, e.g.) and a Lexus today, those elements develop over time. Sadly, often by the time they do, the price is luxury-tied as well! :) I had watched one other review you posted, but I did not notice the end quote. Since some of my writing is theological and some is business leadership related, I appreciated the quote. K
It's not about training artisans. These pens are made in China. Nothing about this pen is high end, or ever could be high end. It's like saying a Platinum Preppy, which is a far, far better pen, would be high end if you just hired artisans to change everything about it.
It's pretty, but it's just attractive crap, like most Chinese pens. Pretty plastic does not mean high end plastic, and cheap feeds with even cheaper nibs does not mean high end anything. It isn't worth the price of a new nib, anymore than a Jinhao 992 is worth the price of a new nib.
Moonman is only capable of making pretty, and very cheap, plastic (Calling it "resin" doesn't change this) ,and convincing people it's worth up to twenty times the manufacturing cost.
You can always make excuses for intellectual theft, which Moonman specializes in. The sad part was their original goal was to make batter, and innovative, pens. All they've done is steal, and do so n the most despicable way, by using Chinese labor that's paid slave wages. Not to mention the rampant child labor.
Yeah, great pen. Beautiful plastic. Courtesy of slave labor, and what is probably the most evil regime on the planet. But, hey, it's cheap, right? Cheap conquers all else, including moral qualms, and even professed personal beliefs.
Seriously, if China stopped selling cheap goods, every moral person on the planet would be trying as hard as possible to stop the truly brutal, savage, and horrific things that happen in China every day. But all China has to do is say, "Never mind all that. Here, try one of our very cheap pens. It's save you lots of money. Yes, good boy. That's much better, isn't it? Run along now and enjoy your pen."
James Ritchie Sounds like you simply have a lot of anti-China hate here. There are many affordable Chinese pens that both look and write well, so please inform yourself first. Watch the video - this Moonman writes well.
Also, no need to exaggerate. There are many despicable regimes in the world that do arguably much worse and they evolve through time. No country stays still throughout history. Every country has an “intellectual theft” phase, just like India, the US, Germany and England, to name a few. It’s part of the economic cycle. Nothing is purely original, even today’s FAANG tech companies. So cool it with the propaganda.
Finally, China manufactures much of the world’s high technology equipment, microchips and hardware. They are currently a leading renewables energy investor. Your iPhone is made in China. You need to renew your outdated views.
That’s not to say China doesn’t have things to work on, just like every country. Agreed there are big issues with human rights and privacy and so on. Along the same lines of logic, just because you buy a Microsoft PC, does that mean you support the Trump admin? The oil in your car probably came from upstream Saudi Arabian sources, so you support Kashoggi’s killing? Be objective and not so primitively emotionally driven.
great looking pen! keep up the great work!
Very well done, thank you!
Thanks for explaining what shitoyancy is... I always hear you fountain pen guys use the term but never hear it fully defined!
*Chatoyancy.
”Glimmering like a cats eye”
For some pens it is "shit"oyancy.
Nice review. I have an Amber with a Bock F nib & Purple with Moonman F nib. The Bock is a hair nicer, not worth the extra $ IMHO. I have a lot of Bock & Moonman nibs. Enjoy them both. I was not aware Moonman made an M nib. I could not see the letter in the circle on the nib next to Man on your pen. That is where they put nib size. All my nibs have an F. Does yours have an M? How are the treads on your cap? My older one Amber, the threads can be difficult to engage. The Purple ones are better.
Good catch! I looked back again, It's a F, though the line width fooled me, and I had to remove my glasses to see that tiny marker, which I previously didn't notice. The 40s have not been kind to my reading sight.
The threads are well done on this one, engage well, and turn smoothly.
@@JG3Reviews Many, if not most, of the Moonman number six nibs marketed as fine leave a medium, or medium-fine line, so if you just look at the line it leaves it can fool ya.
I really enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing your latest acquisition. :)
Hoy estrene mi m800. El nib tuvo que ser suavizado. Estaba tan áspero que tuve que iniciar con lija 600, luego 1200,1800,8000,11200 y finalmente 22000.
Quedó perfecto, muy suave. Me siento bien de no haber gastado en el nib de bock.
Es una bonita pluma que hubiera querido que tuviera algo más de peso.
Cordial saludo.
It's basically Jinhao #6 innards, so you're paying for the body--which is worth it. And yes, this is too similar to the original pen, and that just stirs up resentment. Jinhao/Baoer are better at distinguishing their pens from the ones they mimic--and at coming out with original albeit quirky designs.
If there was anything about this pen that looked like they weren't trying to do a carbon copy of the Momento Zero, I would be tempted. But as it is - trim rings, clip, the shape of the end of the cap and barrel, the shape of the grip - I just can't bring myself to do it.
Nice review. But WOW, FOUR ads within 12 minutes!
Exactly! And last week as well. Am starting to wonder if it’s worth watching. Not trying to be mean, just honest.
Adblock master race :D
Yes have to agree with you ... They are a pain in the Aristotle.
Maybe James is trying to generate a bit of money to help with pen purchase so I don't begrudge that... he's got a pleasant personality and keeps his purchases affordable which appeals to new folks just getting into the pen obsession. .. but I don't like the interuptions. Ah well, nevermind. 🙋
@@lez7767 you are right. James has a first-class presentation and personality. He's probably just saving up for a new pen . :)
4 ads?! I'll go dig into the settings. That's crazy. I'd watched a couple in incognito mode the day to see what the experience was like, but it wasn't bad. 4 is bad.
I don't see ads, because of a Google Play subscription.
Thanks for the feedback.
That is one handsome pen!
Can the nib on a moon man800 sold with the bock nib be changed? If so which brand nib wld would work?
Yes, it can. JOWO, Jinhao, and many other size #6 nibs should work.
The clip and color mimics OMAS Arco Green pen
Can you eyedropper it? The material does look cool.
I wouldn't recommmend it. The part where the converter is inserted is made of brass.
So is this also called lanxivi m800 German Bock nib green this was on Amazon went to see a review and moonman came up
I saw it on Amazon today also and wondered if it was the same thing because there's also another company that has this exact thing pin and a write-up on Amazon.. some help the boch nib, and others don't making a Price difference between $39 and $59
I can’t say for certain, but sometimes the same pens are sold with varying names. And sometimes there are Chinese copies of Chinese pens. The stock on Amazon has shrunk recently, especially with the Moonman nib and blue resin.
No way this is Lamy Blue. Lamy Blue is not as bright in color. This looks more like Noodler's Blue
On a second thought...nah...Noodler's Blue is still brighter...
(yes, Noodler's Blue is my favorite Blue)
I just remembered. It's possible, if I'm wrong about filling it at the office, that it could be J. Herbin's Eclat de Saphir.
James, nice video. Very good penmanship. I did not hear the type of paper used.
Seems according to the video (visual and audio portion) that the pen "drags" over the paper. The action is labored. The resin is the least expensive part of the pen and the nib is the performance center. Paper plays and integral part with the performance of both the pen and ink. If your viewers are choking on a $30 pen, then should not be involved in collecting or investing in a quality product. As far as the moonman, its an imitation and knockoff of more expensive fountain pens. I hope none of your viewers are complaining about the price point. if they do, please review a quality pen maker (Pelikan, Lamy, Pilot, ect.). Again, good video.
It sounds much louder on this paper in this video than in person. If I recall correctly, I had to use a different mic set up on this and a few others that exaggerated the sound of drag.
Джеймс??? )))
Creo que esta equivocado en el precio. Es más de lo que usted comenta
Cada precio es más alto en 2022 que en 2020.
Well done James, pleasant review.
It's a nice pen and I want one, the price is very attractive . Yes, it is a copy but the original is quite expensive and I think your reviews are an appeal for younger folks who don't have tons of money or their parents who want to buy something they've become interested in. The colours in this pen are really beautiful, I thought emerald of chivor was going to come pouring out of it or some teal ink type.
As you pointed out the wheel on the clip looks a bit iffy but all the other features are well good.
I wonder. .. are feelings running high against pens frome china??? If so, let's not let politics interfere without our obsession and leave that to others to sort out, ,,, be careful with sterilisation of ours feeling. ..enough said about that I think, and apologies to everyone who feel I was being 'funny'.
James do you have control over ad's being put in you're presentations as we would like to listen and watch you rather than some woman from amazon pushing their get rich quick bullload.
Chunkier pens appeal to me as they are easier to hold, thinner ones make my hand ache and don't feel like you have a pen of any substance in your hand. (Only my opinion)
So well done James. . Good review.
Best wishes to all PenPeople. .. mind how you go everyone.
LeZc
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Unfortunately, I have no control over the *type* of ads, but I did just disable ads during the video, and will continue that going forward. Apparently the ads went crazy today in volume.
I guarantee this pen is refilled with a green ink. I think I need to move a green bottle to my office, which was where I was when I impatiently rushed to fill this pen when it came in.
JG3 Reviews. James I had an idea you tube were taking advantage because your channel is one of the newer ones.
That pen is begging for a teal turquoise dark green ink....I like Noodlers inks but man!!! They are so expensive in the UK and we have only one Noodlers distribution which is pure pens UK whereas Diamine lives about 15 miles from me...there inks are good and start around £6:50 for 80ml bottles...not bullet proof though...I love Nathan Tardifs stuff.
Best wishes to yer 👍. Your a guddun.
@@lez7767 UA-cam did that to everyone. And unless the creators go back to every single video to change the default everything is riddled with ads. Many people haven't realize this yet. Pretty scummy cash grab on UA-cam's part.
@@JG3Reviews Well for a while majority of less expensive pens will be made in China. Even most western brand's lower end pens are made in China, and will be for a while. Not likely to get nice resin pens for under a hundred any other way. Non-chinese western made pens for under a hundred will be of the metal or injection molded variety.
Do you push down hard when you write?
Can it be used as a eyedropper the stock nib version?
No, I wouldn't eye-dropper it. It has a trim ring that could easily be a leak spot.
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Imitations and knockoffs destroy the intellectual property and 'rice bowls' of others. Innovations are another matter.
People are going to destroy me for this... In China, while some call it toxic culture, innovation occurs at break neck speeds often because companies can't sit on a design or feature, they'll get copied! It's like a disincentive from no constantly innovating. But yes it is pretty bad especially when more companies decide to just copy instead of innovate, plus economically speaking eroding supernormal profits (especially for firms closer to monopolistic competition) definitely harms R&D in the long term. In a way it's a balance and so far China seems to have striked it well enough, arguably at the expense of others. (No doubt, this ain't saying that others should follow suit because that 100% cripples the business environment)