The ISO changes are ruining Valorant
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The ISO changes are ruining Valorant
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Bro, Iso is now lore accurate Iso ....
can you explain? idrk the lore :O
@@oneohtricks8244 He is basically described as "The unkillable hitman"
@@melmo4128 owwww, melmo the edgy crazy high iq brain lvl20 faceit aim right here, the problem is not how you can break it, but HOW MUCH U NEED TO GIVE AWAY FOR THAT SHIELD to break, by your logic, the old chamber is easy to fight, just kayo knife him, just one shot him in the head etc, but its not that the case, amirite?
@melmo4128 its not about expensive??? Who ever said it was price? Its the fact that to jiggle break it he can 1st of kill you on the jiggle. If he is the same caliber player as you he can kill you. Secondly you give away your position on the jiggle. 3rdly its not the same as last act. Last act he needed atleast 1 kill. Now he can do it without even seeing an enemy player??? Youre bronze 1 buddy
@@melmo4128 another brainless statement. They chain off "just the 1st kill" the 1st kill inwhich he already has an active shield in which he was shot at but not killed due to the shield? But i wouldnt expect a bronze to understand anything mb
ISO will run into the same problem Blackbeard from R6 ran into. In a game where one bullet can kill you. When you fundamentally change that for one character makes balance a nightmare.
The same thing came into my mind lmao 🤣
thats the dude from one piece
@@coolstrawHe’s talking about the game R6. Even then, the name Blackbeard comes from a real pirate from back in the 17th/18th century.
@@Kdiekrbf No i think he was talking about the guy from one piece? Can we get much higher
@@gromponsu8913 so high
the way everyone was saying iso was the worst character in the game now they make one change to his shield and hes fundamentally breaking the game is hilarious
ye i agree icl people saying he breaks the game like chambers inital release is insane to me u can still kill him with the shield active and u can prioritize with ur util to break his shield and wait out the timer, i have played against him in immortal elo and ye i do find him rlly annoying but not busted to me
his shield comes online way too often, no punishment for losing it, not even cooldown because he can just kill you and get one
He's the most broken agent in the game now
He is not in the least bit as broken as chamber on release or astra. He’s strong, not broken.
im so confused as well, I think its less of the buff and more of more people finally using him
In a game where after the 1st bullet, sprays aren’t reliable. This is to be expected 😂
and most of the time the 1st isnt reliable either....
Sprays aren’t reliable because they want us to one tap. Well now I think they want us to two tap. Demon1 is showing you what happens if you don’t make it to second tap 😂 Riot, truly the devs of all time
@@TheSunIsMyDestroyeronly problem is first bullet isn’t even fully accurate
It's actually more like 2nd bullet.
@@Noah-xq5ls that’s the 1 thing i think holds this game back a bunch the gunplay is so meh
not only 60/40, but it goes 100/0 when your facing an oper
Had a chamber hit me with his ult and I just tanked it like "no :)" I LOVE new Iso. I don't care about the health of the game people need to just adapt to it lol. Use dmg util, double swing, jiggle prefire the shield. I think people just find it so jarring that a bottom tier agent can immediately become good just by swapping step 2 (hit the orb for shield) with step 1 (get a kill)
@@PhanzGFX nope its just braindead match mvping 6 games in a row and im a shit dia2 is not good game mechanics lmfao
only if the oper is playing a bad position. when oping you should be able to get the first shot off because you don’t need to aim for the head, and then you should immediately get to cover. it is probably an overpowered mechanic but if you play against it with a brain it’s not nearly a 100/0. just unpeek and get ready for the next fight.
@@Hello-wo4sx they're talking about the ult. if you get ulted as an oper you're fucked theres no winning
@@thejustlexa ah I thought they just meant a normal 1v1 gunfight.
Holy moly so many people aren't aware of just how broken it is to OPEN THE DUEL with the shield already active. He doesn't have to do anything to gain the shield. He doesn't have to do anything to make it to where he can one tap you, but you can't.
skill issue jump rightclick shieldgone
@@enuriel2732 you want me to jump right click with a vandal? Or would you like for me to jump right click from stairs to rubble on Lotus like in the example given in the video?
@@BirdmanCrowley_val point stands its fragile af even the most rng bs removes it even a fcking team skill
@@BirdmanCrowley_val u dont know how many times i got my shield remove because a huge brain phoenix open his wall in front of me
@@BirdmanCrowley_val intentionally or not shit happens in site and that hitbox makes the shield so fragile. If u put him in lurk he gives no value to the team and even himself how can he lurk when its a huge fcking sign hey iso here its already bad slow peeking an angle what more with huge visual and with the loud ass sound queue. and people be like. Oh no i cant onetap kill him with op and holdangle oh no when hes been like that since then oh noo hes broken cuz every time i hit someone with no shield they die to a game with fcking bullet rng
Well one quick fix that'll really help this suffocating gameplay would be making the shield timer fixed and not refreshable after every new shield. So when iso pops his shield, its only for the duration of the timer that he'll be god. So then iso will have to be very careful when to pop the shield.
Haha so many people (including me) made this comment great minds think alike
And if still not enough, make the ability refreshable only after getting 3 frags- this pushes the Iso to take more gunfights than a normal duelist would since that's where he excels at.
Yeah, that's for sure coming with the next patch. But they'll keep it broken for a while as it's fun to watch. They wanted to change the meta so bad and looks like they did it.
Ye they just need to remove the whole gridshot thingy, and becomes like Jett's dash.
Even then that feels like a bit too far it’s prob better to take it off kill reset cd to just a timer like a 60-90 second cd for it
5:49 at the start of the Iso ult you can tell if the enemy has a shield or not - it shows them briefly before the walls spawn
honestly the iso ult with his shield is more like an 80/20 fight. I don't see how any decent Iso would lose that fight.
Well, that's acceptable for an ult
@@ibouvousaimenah, think about Jett’s ult especially iso can get a new shield if he wins the fight, tons of one tap guns are becoming stupid right now
@@ibouvousaime other ults you can play around or counter somehow. I feel like isos has no counter play which is frustrating
@@KillerChickenz01that's true. How can you even counter it on defense? One of key defenders just gets sucked in and site is way weaker all of a sudden. There's literally no counter to that. And yes, shield refreshes if you win your damn 80/20
@@edwinsou4792 I agree but you have to look at it this way too, all those other ults have HIGH multikill potential, while Iso's ult has 1 max. I agree with the shield being the problem but I understand why you can pop it before ult.
Saying "idk what the devs were thinking" doesn't feel fair when quite a large handful of the playerbase was freaking out about Neon and glanced over Iso thinking he was okay.
We can't be hindsight harry here
True af
Everyone saying he still gonna be bad since his other util not getting buff and look at it now lmao
@nonsense0000 neon buff was scary cus people know temet and play against players like that who just skill diff the fuck out of you and then she got buffed.
No one really has played against an iso at any skilled level so know that we are playing against him he seems really strong. Kinda giving me 2021 Reyna vibes.
We don’t spend 8 hrs a day and 40 hrs a week thinking about and getting paid to balance this game. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.
They also have the power to play test these ideas where we don’t..
It's totally fair, the idea of doubling ttk is broken on paper without even playtesting it.
"hindsight harry" more like we actually played the patch instead of reading about it?
Fundamentally changes how many of the weapons function in the game (op, sheriff, outlaw, marshall, vandal) especially when at the high level headshots are all that counts. It's not a suitable mechanic for a tac shooter - one of the worst changes they've made to a character. You'd hope they'll roll it back before VCT starts again on the new patch or it's gonna be wild.
Still wont be played
@@gyd1714 I agree, especially because he needs another duelist in order to still truly take space, the wall is too small to have true impact when entering a site and while now the shield helps when it comes to getting the entry, it's also not the craziest thing to get killed while bursted from a rifle. I like though how it emphasizes his role to play selfless regardless, as OPs, Ults etc need another enemy player in order to get value now.
@@Sl33pyGoat yeah he Just doesnt have the Same diving abilities AS the other duelists have
im actually excited to see it in pro tbh
people keep mentioning snipers, but it's almost un-ecoable now as well, bodies sheriff and bucky too, so just half the fucking guns are useless.
In a game where first shot matters and engagements/duels are decided in a matter of milliseconds this shield change invalidates a lot of fights. From fair to broken in one patch. The Riot games classic.
I've quit playing ranked in immortal and waiting till this gets changed, it's genuinely the most tilting experience I've had playing this game in years
Same boat here
ur just bad
@@ratt2955 id bet youre gold tops
Are you a crutch OPer?
just took the same decision, giving shield to competent aimers just turns the game into a coinflip between the two Iso instalocker in both team this is GARBAGE
This is gonna make pro games less cool to watch, it wont be about seeing new tech and mind games but seeing two isos gamble it out
what exactly is a gamble about it
I think it will at least be interesting to try to see how teams will counter him
If that happens, I’m sure Riot will do something about it (like with Chamber and Astra)
@@globbyyoshi the fact that after first bullet spray is entirely random.... And iso shield, now being free means that the gamble is if iso's 1v1 w shield it's whoever gets the lucky spray most of the time, it won't always look like that bc spray control is a skill but it's still random so at the highest levels a lucky headshot will win A LOT of iso duels
@@therickroller2358tell me your iron without saying your iron
It's actually ridiculous how strong it is in most levels. Feels like he has shield the entire game no matter what point of the round it is. It's also stupid as hell that his ult cancels abilities yet he again gets to have his shield. Rito was on that good ganja the day the approved this
as an overwatch player, I've already seen this played out. Dive meta with movement heroes were dominating, then devs try to slow the game down and they add no skill defenses to the game, and all of a sudden you've cut the skill ceiling down and everyone is dealing with stupid shields and bullshit buffs. Im telling you...
ISO is awful to face on pistol rounds, my comp games have just been ISO as literal shield pushing with gekko and reyna flashes behind him
Yep, bro's like shuckle but hits hard af
i dont think the devs play their own game anymore 😭😭😭😭😭
I think shooting the orb should be removed. He already recharges after 2 kills. Lets fucking give him 8 (5+3) shields, and funny enough you get the orb with assists. Gekko still have to pick up stuffs after using his ability. Give him only one shield, but no orb recharge. You can also remove audio q to not get spammed.
Lets not talk about Initiators, Riot hates Initiators :D
I think making the focus bar way shorter and not refill the timer when you shoot an orb should work. So others can stall it out easier. It means iso has to plan their duels for when they pop their shield and not just walk around in an Ironman suit.
@@dapperchap2074you're talking like he couldn't do that last act lmfao.
i actually thought they removed the aim labs part after reading the patch, nope riot is regarded
@@CaptainMaggsMorgan Okay what about other duelists? Jett still has to re-queue dash after getting it to recharge from kills. Yoru still has to re-throw his TP.
Realistically i feel like shield characters in tac shooters have to be bad or less pickedin rainbow six where one shot headshot any gun, blackbeard in the early game when he had like a 1800 health shield thay covered his whole head removed all counterplay at the higheset level.
He can get 8 shields
1 his free one
2 from killing 2 people to top it up
5 from just killing players
12:15 "this is not sick!" 😂why is this line so funny
im confused. the clip you showed could’ve happened before the buff. He peeks A main without a shield and regains his shield by getting kills, something he couldve done before the buff. everything youre talking about were things he could do prebuff.
honestly
not true, he gets 2 kills and is allowed to activate a shield without having to stick around and peek to break the orb to get his shield
He popped his shield when the round began lmao, you could not do that because
@@Ace-vo9iu no he did not. We don't see the beginning of the round of the first clip, however you can see there is no timer bar to tell when the shield is gonna go off which means is not active. Moreover when he gets his first two kills there is no orb to shoot on which comfirms that
He chooses some terrible clips ngl, Demon1 has a ton of clips showing how the free shield charge is strong
Iso feels fucking awful to play against right now. Haven't felt this frustrated with an agent in a while.
btw in ult its possible to see if iso has a shield (it visible before walls created)
One single “overpowered ability” does not mean the meta has shifted, it was a needed buff with an agent with a terrible kit. His wall is still garbage and sometimes hinders its own team when used incorrectly and people in lower elo do not know how to use it’s vulnerable correctly. Yes, the shield stops the op and yes it stops the raze ult however it also breaks when you barely step on a Molly, or a single bullet from a shotgun. The whole premise of isos kit is to take favorable gunfights via the shield it obtains. There are ways to counteract this both in game and in isos ult that people will definitely figure out with time. Jiggle peaking first to break his shield and then doing a wide swing I find counters the iso shield however that is just me and there are much better players with much better tactics than me. I feel the iso buff was needed and brings the f tier agent onto high b to low a tier. The duelist still has minimal entry potential and serves its role as a support duelist perfectly with the new update
I think the issue is that we want the gameplay to be strategic and coordinated, but some recent agents have moved away from that. Mechanics are more randomized and selfish while being less complex.
5:57 you can see Iso spawn at the start of the ult, you can tell if he has shield.
I was playing ranked last night and ran into a dev with a riot gun buddy and I politely asked him wtf they were thinking.
You seem annoying for bothering a person when they aren’t working
@@HaiAmbit Imagine asking a person who designed the game about the game they designed. Wow he's so annoying right.
Honestly you're annoying for thinking what you just said makes any sense at all.
@@Ribcut not every person who work with riot design the game like wtf
@Ribcut hey genius, turns out there's more devs than the balance team 😂
@@Ribcut You’re right, attacking a random employee for a decision they likely didn’t even make is good
i think as a really quick fix they need to cap the amount of shields iso can get. It is ridiculous he can get up to 5 shields a round
I was okay that iso was not strong because if he was buffed he can drastically ruin the game
I think only the first cast should give him the insta shield and the next charges or recast should be the old Iso that will only give him the orbs to shoot to have the shield.
this would be really cool
sean do you think by removing the 1 hit nullification and increase the shield hp similar to how reyna overheals would iso be more balanced in his current changes?
ISO BAD: people mad
ISO GOOD: people mad
LMAO
tbh this is legit why its been so hard to win a fight against an iso, the amount of headshots that JUST break the shield for him to tap me in the head after. i thought iso was supposed to be a challenge for the player picking him.
i think a lot of abilities/ults/agents in a vacuum are game breaking but arent in real scenarios
yup. people forget this game is a 5v5 with so many different “broken” abilities when viewed through a vacuum
Jett dash, raze satchel + paintshells, yoru ult, viper smokes, the list goes on...
@@pjjustice5014 its just wild. atleast iso’s one “broken” ability is super loud, has a time limit, and multiple counters both agent specific and non agent specific (odin/ares/spamming through smoke), other agents like raze or jett have multiple abilities that are that good/better and either only have a specific agent counter, or no real counter at all
it’s just gonna end up being the deadlock wall of duelist abilities; really good on pistol round, and not as good but still solid when people have access to all guns and util
If you dont get it bro youll need to rank up a bit before understanding why it's broken.
fr, if you’re lacking game sense & experience to the extent that you can’t differentiate what’s balanced & unbalanced EVEN when the Pro players are saying it, as well as a pro level coach is saying it. Y’all should stick to swift play & unrated for everyone’s well being. Every agent is balanced in their own way. Iso is unbalanced.
Whats your opinion on new neon slide?
i think the best way to fix this would be to treat it like a raze or jett e. you get one shield at the start of the round for free like now with its timer, but no recharge with shooting an orb and a second one after killing two players. but im afraid they won’t do that because they like the orb mechanic
I think what lower ranked people are forgetting is if iso doesn't miss then he will literally win every gun fight as long as he has shield because second shot accuracy is not really a thing
I didn’t mind his initial shield. But I found it way too easy to snowball and basically have a shield up the whole round. Pop shield take fight get kill aimlabs one orb get shield and then go for another then refresh shield after 2 kills…if they start with the shields then the aimlabs mechanic to bring the shield back should be dropped.
considerring for how long chamber existed in the state it did i doubt riot will do smth if the character is like this. Besidfes that they havent said a word about hotfixing him and just patched the neon slide mid air acuraccy trhing
I think the changes they made to him were good. It makes him viable for entry as a duelist. The only thing I'd change is how often he gets his shield back, since it is too much imo. The shield itself is fine. Maybe have a set amount of orbs to spawn? It's like reyna with her overheal.
Okay lets be honest the current ISO is nowhere as strong as prime chamber
if you bring prime chamber vs current iso, iso would just swing and one tap you before you can even tp across the map even though you hit him with ur op first because iso had shield
@@kevinzhang3215 well yea because thats what Iso is meant to be good at ? Can it hold as well as prime chamber , can it rotate as fast as prime chamber , does it have an ult that can win u even eco rounds ?
@@zettgundam6317ur bronze
@zettgundam6317 he's right tbh 1 Tap Master Chamber can get folded by New Iso. Even a Scrub could have a fighting chance with a Chamber pro because of Iso's buff.
Too damn good I feel they might nerf him.
You are out of your mind and clearly didn't watch the video. There has never been a mechanic this broken in the game, ever, period.
Being immune to damage at the start of every round makes prime Chamber look like a complete joke.
You can literally dry peek an OP and eat the bullet to the face for 0 damage.
Speaking of Chamber, this also applies to an Iso peeking into Chamber ult at the start of a round.
effys just popping in to agree with you is perfect
The way early chamber was dominant when he first came out is abt the same to how iso is now. I see iso every single game as i did chamber back then. Its horrendous
What people also failed to realize is that it completely has ruined OPing. It is geniunely close to impossible to find value in the OP in coordinated gameplay on defense against Iso
i mean like you can probs fix him by removing the suppresion in his ult,
and change his signature to only refresh if you get two kills and then you still have to activate it again, maybe even nerf the duration of the shield
There are 2 things that make him horrible to play against as a plat/dia player:
1. the infinite shields, he can get it back by the orb AND by getting 2 kills.
2. If you hit (a headshot) from a decent distance or from a cheeky corner you loose your first bullet accuracy while he can still have his better shot.
This makes holding strange corners or eco sheriff/shotgun rounds impossible to win.
I mean, pro teams dont want fun gameplay tho. If teams really valued fun gameplay, they wouldnt try to play spam postplants like they did in pearl and do in sunset and now abyss. Teams play the most effective agents possible, nothing else matters.
I can agree that ISO is strong right now, but there are ways to counter it. It’s called utility and especially in a game like this it encourages more utility use. If I know an ISO is moving up on me I can set up my flashes to counter the shield and peak. I know how frustrating it is but people just have to play smarter. It doesn’t last forever, it’s knowing when to pick the fight and if you have the util. I am a Yoru and Iso Main but yeah
Exactly. alls these people complaing about it being broken are plat 3 at best
Even a prime chamber op can be flashed and killed. Doesnt mean anything for the agent being balanced.
@@kstroid4694 sgares is radiant.
@@kstroid4694disagree with you = plat 3. let's see if the character will continue like this
@@kstroid4694 Ironic considering a bunch of pro players are saying he's broken. Watch Demon1's videos, he's probably the best iso rn.
Something I was thinking about is Iso following a Neon as a second entry similar to how Chamber followed Neon in 2022, think of having a player like a prime yay, a demon1, etc on that iso role second entrying with neon taking space, feel like it would be so hard to stop (would probably suffer on defense and be super volatile/risky though)
i’m convinced that the only people saying iso isn’t busted are iso mains
Maybe they got embarrassed they made a whole tournament revolving around iso and he didnt see a single minute played. Crazy how they pushed him from zero to freaking hero....well maybe more of a villian in ranked? 😅
How good would Iso be if the shield have a flat 50% dmg reduction for the first hit instead of negating it completely?
Played a game were he'd entry as I had an OP, every OP shot was voided due to his shield. I had to stop using OP but even then, I am punished for aiming for the headshot which I don't like. I worry that he may be the new reyna
feel like adding a shield threshold like make iso shield tank 30 health or breaks whichevers first so awps arent completely helpless just need to headshot and you only need to hit 1 or 2 more shots with a rifle if you hit someone in the head
Let's just compare it with jett, would it be fine to pop the dash ability and hope to get a kill to dash away? that's bad right. Iso double taps does not guarantee anything unless you kill someone, that's why they changed it probably.
Might not be the best ideas for changes to iso but here i go
They should make his Shield refill require 3 kills and not 2
and bring back the old size of the shield so you can see the shield first and then ISO
if yall think thats not enough shooting iso shield should just make the duration of the double tap give 2 extra seconds instead of resetting timer
at least jett and reze wont be the only characters played
what if they made the shield timer shorter? like instead of 20s it's 8s (or maybe even 7.5 like jett) and it's something you can actually wait out or bait in site hits. it'd still be powerful in 1v1's, but have a chance to really stunt him and force him to get kills before he gets another for free. that and players would have to get used to doubling up more to take fights with him or just spam him with bs. that and they should just jump his ult to 9 orbs if they're gonna keep him this way
okay so hear me out on this: they want to make the game more interesting and its not ruining the game just because something isnt entirely balanced since the more changes that get added and the more agents that come out theres always gonna be something that falls behind and then when it gets boosted everyones gonna freak out until it either gets fixed or people realize it isnt that big of a difference
Iso was always fundamentally conflicting the core design of 1 headshot kill ttk of this game, with a basic ability not even an ult. I get that it was too crap overall, and people just didn't really care too much because in order to get the shield there was too much risk involved. But the core was always there, it was always the only agent that you could get a headshot on and not get a kill. I think the whole character should be reconstructed entirely. I don't mind the other agents' buffs, and I do understand they had to try and make iso good somehow.
Never seen someone have such a 100% start-to-finish correct take.
You really can see Demon1 in the clips thinking in slow motion. He’s soo favored in these duels. It isn’t even funny.
I think that they wanted iso to play similar to this but it went too far. Without activating his shield the confidence in order to take the duels is not there. He is incredibly counterable by good team spacing and it is over for him.
I also think that he is very counterable by any character that does trickle damage, raze, sova, Phoenix. And spraying smokes are going to make or break it
ISO cannot lurk with his shield either. It is directionally too loud and does not last long enough.
if it ends up staying a problem they should just make it so 2 kills doesn’t give you his shield back, like how brims smokes dont recharge. he can already keep his shields going as long as he gets kills
What if they took away the recharge? My initial thought was to get rid of the aimlab bit, but that’s the whole point of the ability. So instead of recharging every 2 kills, he can only use it once but can string it along the multiple gunfights. Only way I can see this is perhaps adjusting the timer but I don’t know a ton about game design. Thoughts?
I feel like its just the huge confidence boost from having that shield that makes it so insane
Honestly, i want the dive meta to die. It's about time raze and jett stop dominating.
I think the shield gained from the aim labs orb should decay much faster, it should be a tool for him to reposition and find cover instead of peeking or just standing still on an off angle for the rest of the round
Making the shield ignore any instance of damage is braindead from the start. Raze ult, ops, all the sniper weapons, all the first headshot mastery people train for are now gone to waste. It should just add a 50 shield on top so 200 health that way an op can headshot and win with higher skill. If players of the same skill level duel 100 times the one with iso shield will win 100 times because you get a free bullet basically from the start of the duel since your opponent can’t do anything until the 2nd bullet so you’ll headshot first always.
why do the devs always do this, make an agent extremely broken then scramble around to fix it asap when the community flames them, its like they dont play their own game and dont realise the impact some changes can have. Like when chamber was first released and when skye was busted when raze was busted just a few examples
6:00 the people in the iso ult know if he has shield before they fight. It shows but yeah the point still stands.
I am a business major and I would not be surprised at all if this was for marketing as VCT is being played on old patch and the game just launched on console with this update. This has been done in other games too in the past.
I just hope we see people like aspas or oxy pop off once before he gets nerfed.
Bro, just enjoy the temporary meta without crying, this will be gone soon and the memories will be there to cherish.
The distraction is also the big aspect that you are trying too hard to destroy the sheild that u forget to kill the person idk if that makes sense
This would be true if the rest of his kit was good but everything else besides the shield and ult is useless
This is why I want a test server.
Honestly as much as I think Sean has a lot of really good points, I actually realize I've been wanting something completely busted to complain about and liven things up a little so I'm not even mad. High variance is a problem for .01% of players that makes the game fun to watch, at least until they inevitably nerf him in line with everyone else
iso is now anti op angent thats what they were thinking idk i think its good buff for him its just needs adjusting
correct
@@pjjustice5014 No.
Earlier today, the enemy raze popped her ult. As she was satchelling toward us, my Iso popped his shield and wide swung. She ult'd his shield, and Iso killed her during her ult recovery.
Some may see this as "good util use" but the problem is there is no counter to Iso. He just gets to do whatever he wants. The best thing you can do is use util to pop his shield or just wait out the timer, but both of those options are a steep cost for an ability he gets multiple times a round.
I didnt even realize how bad it would be but iso in ranked is miserable
maybe limit the number of shields per round and make hitting sentinel utility like trips immediately break the shield and trips. just spit balling but i do understand the need to diversify the duelist class
The only buff Iso ever needed was to make Contingency (the wall) stop moving similar to Harbor Cascade to allow Iso to properly contest space as a duelist and provide more team-oriented utility instead of making his kit more selfish. The same thing with all the other buffed duelists; a lot of their kit is more centered on the "me first team second" scope of their abilities. Taking away Neon shock in favor of another slide (sorry but she doesn't need one) , Reyna STILL provides nothing for the team other than her eye which is the worst "flash" in the game.
The balancing team tried swinging too hard for the fences in trying to make non-dive characters more meta but you could argue this is just a tone-deaf step toward limit testing gone wrong.
Everyone speaking in support of these buffs saying there is a way to beat it need to;
1. Remember that ISO has a TEAM around him also with guns ready to trade. They are now able to trade off a SHIELD rather than a dead teammate.
2. ISO can now ULT with a shield off utility on a 5v5 sight take, that cascade, sage wall, deadlock wall, Breach stun is more than enough info to guarantee a favored fight both for the ISO and ALSO their TEAM unless they have gamble stacked EVERYONE. These buffs are effectively a MASSIVE nerf to a half dozen agents purely for this reason.
3. Go hop on the game and pick Harbor an agent that should be well suited to the new map and give it a go.
and don't forget 1 more thing:
in a game where confidence in aiming is king, iso's shield gives you so much confidence that you could peek wide without any caution and STILL win, which is so broken in low elos where everyone is scared (makes him an OP smurf agent), in high elo where everybody aiming for the head, and in pro play where good thinking and teamwork are rewarded (which makes iso broken because now demon-aimers type of players like tenz, yay, demon1, cryo, aspas, cned, etc. wins aim duel in the old "jett and chamber go kill" style of playing).
Iso bad: People mad
Iso "broken" (but actually just better than before): People mad
Make it make sense.
He basically is immortal it frustrates me so much what we're the devs thinking, to vs him you 1 tap him to just hear his just hear a shield break then you die even though your first to the shot makes
Haven't played for like 2 weeks maybe it's my ISO arc coming up!
I just started and been killin it with the HS% not having to rush duels. 😂
been spraying through every smoke and prefiring every corner praying to god i break his shield before taking an actual 50/50 fight this start of the patch
Also another point is that Iso is now just as good if not better smurf food than Reyna for smurfs to go in and fuck up low elo players. One of the upsides to going against Reyna smurfs is you could at least occasionally one tap them before they one tap you, not the case for Iso. If he just is on another level than everyone in the lobby there is very little counter play to beat that.
riot made this change with the mindset that the shields width ( how it extends around him ) would negate this oppressiveness but it clearly didnt work
Iso is making the odin even more necessary and busted now. Because the Odin is easily the best counter to Iso, due to the sheer amount of bullets making his shield useless.
My only problem with Sean's analysis is he was the guy championing Iso in the first place and multiple clips here have an Iso winning their first duel without getting hit. So functionally the Demon1 clips where he doesn't get hit in his first engagement are identical to how he worked pre-patch. If you want to make the argument Iso is broken okay, but you can't complain about those clips because those clips would play out the exact same way before he got the free shield.
thats just untrue. Playing with a shield as iso is different for both players, the one who get to face the iso and the iso player. The iso player makes peak and mooves differently cause he knows he can, and the opposing player cant play his duel the same way. Even if he didnt get shot, at the end, the shiled played his role of fair duel deny.
Exactly my thoughts. None of the clips shown really SHOW much of new iso besides maybe not being at 150 hp at the start of an engagement, and instead being at 110. Fundamentally none of the clips have changed a SINGLE thing about Iso, except make the engagement originally in his favor... and that's it. There are enough sound cues in the game with Iso to tell people if he has or doesn't have his shield. People just need to learn hey. Iso's shield broke or hey Iso gained a shield. Didn't change anything for those scenarios whatsoever.
yeah the first clip especially. pre buff iso basically could have done that. The part where he's recasting at the end is kind of just unlucky for the kj as he has a deagle and shot at iso late, the recasting would have been really easy to punish in most other cases
@@s1stemique And yet pre buff you wouldn't know the IsO is here. Now the player taking the duel knows where the Iso is playing.
The neon buffs r crazy too so idk if they are moving away from dive meta.
Crazy cause while watching this I saw a short where a dude was tanking a sova ult
tbh from my experience riot doesn’t really care that much about truly balancing there games.. they seem to prioritize shifting the meta over everything else lol
8:04 Add a sound queue to his shield for the duration it’s up? Let the sound home enemies to his location.
They dont care about balancing the game. They manipulate the meta and want this to happen for the show...
An easy fix is to add a delay in re-arming when you shoot an orb. Or lower the trigger time and make him shoot an orb to get another charge of the ability but he'd still needs to manually use the ability again. It should force the iso to take fights a little bit slower but he is still going to be broken even in that regard.
Adding an on-call damage nullifing ability was the worst idea any dev could have made when going for an FPS game where aim is king. It just breaks everything. The only best case counter to that would be an ability ignoring ability where you're temporarily immune to most effects allowing you to actually go on an even playing field but that's just wishful thinking.
make sprays consistent if we gonna have shields like this
Honest I think they just need to do is remove the kill cooldown and lower the shield/double tap timer.
they should add a cooldown after your shield gets broken so you dont get it back instantly
And make shooting the orb not refresh its timer but just equip another. shield
@dadrako1581 that’s exactly what they did to hot fix him! Awesome recommendation!
it breaks their own tactical loop. i don't think we get that much iso in proplay that soon, but in soloq this is insanely obnoxious