That’s the problem. Nothing was wrong with rastakhan but because it wasn’t more powerful than the existing sets it didn’t sell as well. So now they feel like they need to blow every previous expansion out of the water. Everyone will hate it but the better answer would be to nerf existing current cards when an expansion launches. The correct thing would be to make new concepts rather than push power but they’ve proven they can’t.
@@johnj4471I remember suggesting that the new expansions be lower in power level and people were like "ew that would be terrible" like ?? Do they want another Reno??
@@KraylebStudios - Honestly? Yes. It's the Giga-Chad power players who are running the narrative on Hearthstone in practically every online forum... the moment you raise the slightest objection about how quintessentially broken various aspects of the game are, you are shouted/downvoted/blocked down by the majority of the people in that forum. As long as the people throwing the most money at Blizzard are the ones saying, "Yes, Daddy... spank me harder. Give me the paddle with the +20 Spikes of Anal Destruction in the next set you release. Make the game so idiotically easy that even my utterly smooth, no ripples whatsoever brain can 'master' it with cards so OP broken they take zero skill to utilize properly.", then that's what Blizzard is going to keep doing.
@ we need a whole year of toned down expansions in order to set the power level otherwise it’ll just keep going up. Problem is if they don’t sell they’ll buff the cards. They need to learn to make new concepts that are strong but not simply stronger than old cards but they can’t seem to.
Nerf our way into balance. It's like screwing for virginity. In my opinion, the design philosophy is the problem. Rather than favouring a game of tug of war, where one side gets an advantage incrementally, it seems the team went full on for spectacle plays (I dont know if Hearthstone as an esport cause this or not). EDIT: Oh damn... just saw the name. Hello Clark.
You're saying that like the original members of Team 5 are still at Blizzard. I have no trouble believing most of them left years ago, how else would they be relearning lessons they had alredy learned back in Un'goro?
It feels like the history has run a full circle. We were praising Blizzard for doing balance changes more often, but it got to the point that they seem to not care about balance at release at all. Imagine if any other game, a physical tcg like MTG, had to alter more than 100 cards a year. People would have crucified them, but we let blizzard have what looks like no quality assurance whatsoever.
I like that they are balancing sooner but the problem is that it seems they have to balance it more often because of the powerlevel of the cards or interactions with other cards
Magic is a physical product so they do have to put more effort into pre-release balance. But Magic also thrives on stuffing their packs with jank. At least with Hearthstone when something gets nerfed, we can dust it for full value and swap it for something else of equivalent or lesser rarity. I'd take that deal over Magic any day. If HS had Commander or other co-op formats I'd probably be done with Magic entirely.
would the asteroid archetype be less toxic if asteroids were shuffled in the enemy deck (and they would say deal 2 damage to a random friendly character, of course) ? that's a little more interactive, as it gives the enemy some control of whether they want to risk drawing an asteroid same with eruptions possibly
Maybe, though then Kil'Jaeden just hard counters all Asteroid strategies. Then there's really nothing that differentiates them from Plagues, except they don't have a Helya to make them permanent.
We already have that, it's called plagues. And I can't see how that change would make it more interactive. It would be more random and frustrating for both sides. If you draw them you get fucked, if you don't, your opponent will be mad as his plays didn't do anything.
Well hearthstone mathematics made an interesting conclusion, that not balanced and crazy cards only affect top legend players which is ver small amount of people, and for casual players things being a bit out of whack actually makes game more interesting and also gives Blizzard an easy way to shake up the meta on demand...
@@thesalmonorchestra651 yes it is... But for bronze to gold players experience is different... They just play their pet decks, and ethereal oracle is in their deck for some janky reason and not as efficient as how legend players use it
The problem is that they refund only the cards that got nerfed (like neutrals, rare, epic) , but you already spend dust to craft all the other cards to make the deck, including legendaries.
What are Star Ships suppose to do when on the one side, you have obscenely strong removal cards that invalidate late game deck from being able to play the game with a board (Reska, every Titan with a removal option, Reno, Bob) and then on the other side hand, you have the cards made in order to counteract and answer those previously mentioned cards with speed and or by being able to OTK from hand like pirates, the token shamans and handbuff decks and so many other crap
Starships are supposed to do what they currently do. Be non-interactive OTK sticks or stupid res targets that generate a billion armour. Since that's the thing about Starships, while Zeddy likes to lump them into the "Fight for board incrementally" design, they're fundamentally not that. Since the unlaunched Starship is uninteractive it means it just builds up until the opponent can do something stupid with it like use Exodar to zap your face for 30+ damage, use Yodeller to nuke your face for 50+ damage, Priest can generate copies of a Starship that's giving like 20+ armour etc. Like, if all this other "Crap" was removed from the game - All these hard removals, and insane from hand OTK's... Starships would literally fill in that role of being a disgustingly oppressive mechanic due to the way they function as non-interactive cards. Especially with the "Counter" card of Star Vulpera does absolutely nothing to counter them (No silence to remove pieces outright. No interaction with the dormant ship. Can only blow up the Ship after it gets launched and the opponent has a chance to get value from it and even then, it'll proc all the stacked DR effects...)
With so many QA being laid off from Blizzard, I'd imagine the Hearthstone QA team is extremely small and never has enough time to play test all the new cards, especially in the last year and it shows
thing is, even with rotation, there is still a power discrepancy between perils and great dark beyond : I really hope the design team takes a decision in where they want the game to go and stick to it completely, and don't contradict it every two weeks
You mean, "Hey, we realize the game is OP and we're totally going to get right on fixing that." Then they release Bob... yet another utterly broken OP Neutral. As we tell victims of abuse... watch the abuser's ACTIONS, don't listen to their WORDS.
yo zeddy mate I noticed i dont get gold rewards form the track , but didnt catch when if its automatical after I reached next level cuz when collect it I get jack sheet , can you explain is there such a bug or blizzard is baldly scamming me? cheers
I think they absolutely need to stop buffing good cards. They need to buff garbage and safe cards. A lot of the buffs have been following the philosophy of making a deck competitive, which makes cards broken. They should do lots of buffs, but small buffs to cards that suck, so more decks go from being unplayably bad to okay. It would help deckbuilding and meta diversity in a much healthier way than turning strong cards into autoincludes that have to get nerfed on the release of the next set because they'd otherwise define the meta until rotation.
I think that the cards are intentionally designed to be released overpowered so they get more purchases because playing with strong cards is fun. Then, it ruins the meta and they just nerf the cards. In the end, they gain money and the players lose it.
More nerfs means more Dust, I do kinda like that part, I even bought a Golden Miniset as a free2player just because the nerfs make the value so tempting there. While we're running stats, I'll share my own notes, got 20,080 Dust from this year's nerfs, not including the Golden Miniset Skyla. Seriously though, it does improve the crafting flexibility to players. That's at least a silver lining, I agree that we don't necessarily need SO many nerfs. But I really do like Dust.
From my experience when a youtuber plays literally any other game UA-cam will be like "no this is different you're not going to get any advertising or promotion from this"
imma be real. i have stopped playing hs recently, i havent uninstalled but more 'taking a break'. but i will say that blizzard arent doing a good job trying to bring me back. there are bad news for the game what feels like every week, meanwhile stuffing the store with overpriced cosmetics; and not many good news to compensate. im really not optimistic in the games future.
Properly balancing a game requires a firm baseline for power. Bad designers see this as a limitation when it is really an opportunity for creativity. As a result, they ditch the baseline and go nuts to the detriment of their game. They think there will always be enough players to support this,so they disregard the effect that it has on the overall health of the game. Hearthstone has never had truly great designers, so what do you expect?
In my FB custom card group I've always highly encouraged people to balance their ideas around Vanilla cards using the old school point system theory that even custom HS Redditers promoted for years before throwing the system the towel due to power creep; but I'm still personally a firm believer in it, and think that whatever system they did use in the past got thrown away... Oracle for example compared to Thalnos would Not be a Common rarity at neutral (but that's another story)... I also think too tho that part of the problem lies in changing things too fast rather then just letting the players find ways to change the meta themselves through the year as it's supposed to work rather than giving in right away to the whiners.
I wonder what the alternative might be. Felt like back in the day they had a bigger testing team that would look at card combinations and check this kind of stuff. Feels like the dev team is so small now...
Zeddy, as a newer subscriber to your content, I appreciate how much you frequently, lately, have been putting out, but for the love of god, can we get an upload with any information leaked, confirmed, verified, or at least something not reminding us of the dredge that is Standard AND Battlegrounds right now.
Feels like the only reason oracle remaind untouch is cause is the first time a spell burst card is relevant. (The 8 mana druid minion is only useful cause funny manacheat)
I don't know if it is too many nerfs. It does keep the game ever changing. Not to long of the same meta. I do agree that the game feels out of wack and even unfun sometimes. I don't know that nerf/buffs are always in direct corralation to that. I love the extra dust on dupes though!
I almost wonder if they do it on purpose. Take Clash Royale where the new cards are stupidly broken, and once the players buy the packs to max it out, it gets nerfed. HS could we doing the same thing to sell the new cards.
I've quit caring about Hearthstone because of this philosophy. For the past few years, I've been playing it only for a few weeks whenever there's an expansion that hypes me. Reno, Lone Ranger, Odyn, Boomboss Tho'grun, Rheastrasza... All those cards were very exciting to me. But I knew they were doomed to be nerfed TO THE GROUND when the following expansion came up because Blizzard thinks "THE META NEEDS TO CHANGE, OLD CARDS MUST NOT SEE PLAY ANYMORE AND NEW CARDS MUST SEE TONS OF PLAY". Yeah, okay, whatever... And it's like that everytime. What's the point of having created Standard in the first place, then? Someone needs to remind Blizzard of the whole reason why they created Standard: they explicitely said it was so they would no longer need to powercreep the game every expansion. Also: how the bloody hell has it been normalized to have scheduled balance patches? TEST YOUR GAME BEFORE RELEASE, MORONS!
Lots of good points in the video. However I dont agree with there being to many balancing changes. If we look at something like master duel for yugioh they get monthly banlists to adjust the meta. Do I think we need monthly balancing patches no i do naut but I think blizzards willingness to nerf/buff cards is an improvement over them never changing any / very few changes of ye olde hearthstone days. I also see great dark beyond as a step in the right direction to slow the game down further atleast after the rotation.
MHBA: Make Hearthstone Balanced Again! I know back in the day I was frustrated that it took forever before any nerfs were done. Now it seems I never run out of dust because there are constant nerfs, but I do miss the fun and interactive board battles. Combo's and broken stuff are too prevalent and especially the number of cards that punish you for playing cool minions on board? It's insane, even board wipes are trending to be one-sided and keep going face as well, as if aggro needed more help!
I actually am so burnt out from Hearthstone. No homebrew decks stand a chance and board is dead. Stealing on board minions is so much worse then destroying or silencing them
I have no trouble believing most of the original Team 5 members left years ago, how else would the dev team be relearning lessons they had alredy learned back in Un'goro?
"The game doesn't feel a ton of fun a lot of the times"... this will only get fixed if people stop playing and paying for the product. If you aren't having fun and think this game isn't great as is but you're still playing and giving any money to it.... You're the problem. Look in the mirror. Microsoft is staying the same course.
I returned to the game 1 month ago and I have been having a good time playing all the different decks. I feel like the balance is all over the place but the game overall is still ok and I think the game will be much better after rotation as it will be a giant shake up to the meta. Also I appreciate all the f2p features Blizzard has added as I was able to build Control warrior with the free loaner deck.
Balance testing by what parameters? What would be the standard so they would distinguish "good " design from "bad" one. Would they even have time for this when people are going to complain anyway? I think frequent balance changes at least keep the game relatively fresh; not always. We collect more dust which can be used to craft more cards. Maybe I would go so far as to say that they are not drastic enough. Maybe they should try adding "but not less than 1" to anything that reduces mana. I would love to see unusable legendaries chance to shine like Deck of Chaos or Oblivitron or Boogeymonster
I like many nerfs as a semi free to play player (I buy mini sets for money...) I can get alot of dust from the constant nerfs... I dont see much point in the buffs though especially when they break the game.
Part of it is they are too afraid to kill archetypes. Look at the demon seed. It has RUINED wild, as has the completely broken libram paladin. Same with Sonya rogue, or dungar druid, etc etc. These are decks which have unfun and uninteractive playstyles, and warp the meta. But everytime a nerf finally arrives, they always say "we know it's a problem, bit some people like playing it, so we will reduce it but not kill it!" - and the card continues to be a problem. They are trying to keep a small part of the playerbase happy at the expense of the rest. I'm a control player. Standard is dead to me. Wild is dead to me. The game isnt fun anymore. Just outright getting rid of the most toxic archetypes may upset the toxic players, but it would retain everyone else. They are making poor decisions based on trying to be "too" nice and reaching the worst possible compromises with the worst outcomes. If they want hearthstone to recover? They need to grow some backbone and DESTROY problematic cards and decks, else we will see the same cycle over and over again. Rant over.
They refuse to nerf strong cards that aren’t used as if strength=use. If a certain deck is being played and it counters a strong card and said deck gets nerfed guess what happens. Stop nerfing solely on meta.
They should do more to hype those up. It's usually card-revealed a week or so before and then is just out. At least we got the semi-reveal a month or so ago, I guess.
I guess i am the only happy person here even if i am not playing the game to much. So much refunds.. .:D Winrates are close to 50% and we see turn 10 and later again.
So unfortunately players don’t realize that if they cry for nerfs long enough, the card will be nerfed and eventually make a new deck unplayable. So now we’re back to the boring swarm shaman and buff paladin meta. We’ve had some actually different decks this year like wheelock, big spell mage, reno decks. But no, they make you “feel bad” so they have to go away. Enjoy your boring meta where buff paladin is the top again.
There are games that actually got way worse by listening to streamers. I quit Destiny 2 in part because unpopular weapons were completely ignore by balance and they made the game so hard it got impossible to play solo with randoms because everyone complained it was too easy until then, somehow But if that was the case with Hearthstone, it would be a Control Warrior snooze fiesta with 40 minute games instead of a post-Stormwind solitaire simulator.
It is still the same nonsense, and it will all keep happening because a game like hearthstone probably can't really be balanced, or at least if it could be the window of time that was there to change it was closed a long time ago. Hearthstone is a game that basically requires things like secrets, and randomness, and mana cheating, and all the other mechanics that have been stirring up the same old controversy for years now. In any game these things would require strict and closely watched balancing. Unfortunately though a balanced meta won't hook a new player who wants to feel like they are good at the game because they don't understand that their deck is essentially in autoplay. Imho wild is the only format worth playing. Sure, it's filled to the brim with absurd power level, but at the very least you aren't left to the whims of which classes or decks decided to give the next expansion to. In wild most classes are at least decently viable and there is a lot more room to play homebrew decks and actually climb (to a point.)
I mean, people are exaggerating things but don't try to deny the effect the creator discord has on balance. Its not coincidence that a lot of the changes you have proposed actually happened. Even exact changes you proposed. I don't think there should be a secret creator discord at all
It can very easily be a coincidence, yes. The changes that are obvious could be said by anyone, creator or not, and the accuracy of the "predictions" could very well just be the creators relaying the changes that the developers themselves have already hinted at. As has been pointed out countless times, the changes don't reflect what most of the creators would actually want, so it seems more like people just looking for a low-hanging group to lay the blame on. That is to say, since the developers aren't receptive to criticism, people seemingly have just decided to shoot the messenger, instead.
Meanwhile, things like the Theorycraft streams happen and then EVERY creator talks about how broken a particular card is and then... Nothing happens. Then months later, a stupid nerf that doesn't work happens to the obviously broken cards despite everyone and their cat literally saying how to fix it since before it launched... Most of the creator discord is about giving creators early access to announcements and patch notes so they can prepare videos about them before they drop (Not that much earlier mind. It's not like what people like to claim with Zeddy getting the patch notes a week ahead of schedule so his "Predictions" are just him reading from the actual notes. More like a day in advance so they have time to make a video) This is done because it promotes more healthy content releases from creators, whom, instead of having to try and rush out a video (Sometimes at ridiculous hours) after things get announced to get the views, have the chance to prepare things early to release at the same time as the announcements. Of course, Zeddy does do rush job videos when reveal seasons come around, since those aren't shared to creators (Outside of them being given cards to reveal) and we see the effects of that. With things like him rushing out videos at like 3am and so he makes a lot more mistakes (Hence the "Zeddy can't read cards" meme)
Make Quasar cost 10 so rogue can't 4 mana fuckin 0 mana + draw a guaranteed card draw into more card draw draw their whole deck for free with that stupid spellburst card.
Can we just fire Zeddy instead? There are tons of different decks, and most classes are nearing 50%. Can he just stop complaining? The only boring thing is that most people gravitate to the same decks, people are boring. But the opportunity to play different decks is there.
I'm already not excited for the mini set anymore. The current meta feels horrible and the mini set will either be as meaningless as the rest of the set. Or they bring new stuff in that will be more frustrating. I will likely not play anymore until rotation and see how that changes the game.
Why are they so reluctant to buff old cards? Rewrite old ones to create new synergies. The current balance strategy is just lazy. Create new archetypes. *Sigh*
If something has gotten worse after 5 years, doesnt mean the problem is the same 😂 it means its worse. They just need to get rid of classes as they are incapable of making an expac where every class has one good deck. Every expac, same deck over and over
I’ve been saying this for years but they need to introduce a global rule where mana cheat always has (but not less than 1), mana cheating would still be really good, and it stops a lot of bs from happening
oracle is fine geez....problem is mana cheat and absurd effects like shuffling like 30 asteroid in your decks(60 dmg).....Tickatus(yes he would be an issue again if the power creep get dialed back a bit).... Dew Process should not do what it does period(Kiljaeden is a poor excuse of a counter as he create imbalance himself if alloted to be play.....there no answering infinite 15/15+ minions....steamcleaner wont help much either if you get it while the board is full of giant threats...............at the rate they going they gonna have to nerf like 200 cards....right now there likely around 150 in need of nerfs stop pooping new expansions and plz fix everything wrong since darkmoon faire and cards like loatheb//boom pistol bully which became problematic over time.....revert the Jinyu to have only 1 effect of the counter in play at a time, not 6 of them with shudderwock denying 6 cards to be playable......revert Illucia but make her not playable if there is less than 2 cards in your hand.........abyssal curse reduce from 2 mana to 1 mana(those tax are too much when you also gotta heal and get ride of those from your hand)......dont allow Avianna to overide effects of boompistol bully(thats like ignore the card effect).......and so much more.....like common get fixing, stop unleashing volley of crap one after another and for ffs make reno hero power(refresh 2 mana) cap at 3 use per turn.....not infinite use of it terminate Tamsin already, it need to be gone, gone gone gone GONE !...."pull hairs out"
Other than obvious broken cards. It is not among my top concerns about the game. NERFs make me more excited than an expansion reveal, because of potential dust. - lol
If any of your decks got nerfed it actually costs you a lot of dust. You see, they refund the cards they nerfed, but when your deck is now useless, they don't refund all those other epics/legendaries that are only viable in that particular deck.
@@taserrr That may be true for some people but I play wild mostly so I'm usually good, plus I buy every expansion and with the nerfs I can craft whatever decks I want. So this problem is not for me
I kinda wish they did a reset next expansion year and lower down the power level super low, so that we can get a game where your decision matters and not just who's lucky and gets to their win con first. By either otk from hand or have full board with 8/8 super minions on turn 4/5
They have it set up for it. Badlands and Titans are where like 80% of the problems are with board play. (Also, take out deckhand and leeroy in rotation) It all depends on what happens in rotation.
In 6 years of playing this rubbish game, they created a very weak new collection, which made me not want to play the game, but the false propaganda had bought me, so I gathered 4800 arcane dust and when the new collection came into the game, I crafted 2 legendary from DK and another from neutral. I played excitedly for two weeks until I realized that all Legendaries are weak! Better that way, I focus more on YU-GI-OH Master Duel! Hugs Blizzard!
Reno was one of the most unfun most oppressive most polarising most broken and obscene cards ever printed in the game. A one sided twisting nether that shuts off your opponents board is just disgusting. It's never going to happen and it shouldn't. It's people like you who are part of the problem
@@dominicwilson9467 agrro/board flood player detected. Honestly do you know what a stupid thing having no counters to any dormants is/was? Or having to run one otherwise useless card or lose X percentage of games? Bingo. Or hope you can zephyrs out black hole on turn 10...
@PhukYu2 an 8 mana neutral legendary that any deck can run should not be that impactful. The fact that any deck could run the card and it could single handedly make even the most abyssmal decks some what viable on its own is a testament to how obscenely detrimental the card was and that it should never have been created in the first place. It isn't going to be reverted back to the way it was initially so get over it. cope harder and cry more
They need to buff starting hp to like 40. Chillwind yeti used to be solid card. Now 4 mana, 8/5 no text probably would not be good enough. It's too easy to accidently die with the power creep
If you gut OTK and Spells, isn't that gutting 2 core hearthstone things? We don't want just chillwind yetis. Many games now are board based. The OTK and Spells is a nice variety to the game. We can't remove rogue, mage, priest and shaman and only buff Warrior/DK for Zeddy... please. Variety is the best flavor. Give something for everyone.
The problems with spells started around the time they added spell schools. Maybe a fine concept but terrible execution. Everything they did with the spell schools only made the game worse
SHOCKING TRUTH: Hearthstone intentionally makes cards they know will be problematic to sell sets, then nerfs them, and pretends they didn't know. The only way the game becomes "fun and interactive", is when strong defensive cards are allowed to exist. Considering the community hates anything with strong defensive value, and demands they be nerfed to oblivion [Yogg, Reno, Theotar, etc.] this game will continue to be all about offensive solitaire decks where interactivity is at a minimum. The Reno change was especially sad considering it killed an entire archetype in order to protect something NOBODY PLAYS ANYWAY. Nobody plays Starships, and anybody who does play Starships knows Reno is not why they were bad. Zeddy, you're no better. You demand for 10 different cards to be nerfed every month. You're not innocent here. The moment a card prevents a deck strat, you want it nerfed. Hearthstone players absolutely cannot handle not being able to play exactly how they want every game. If some defensive card nullifies any part of their offensive strat, they want it nerfed.
None of the cards you mentioned do anything defensive. They only punish decks that already play slowly. So yeah it is frustrating to face them. Slow decks already die to Aggro, but with tools like Reska, Reno, Theotar etc. it is already pointless playing anything non aggro. We can't interact on our opponents turn. And cards like that make the little things we can do meaningless. It's fun for you playing them, but when you on the receiving end, why even bother?
@@chrisgipson1860 pre nerf yogg was a 0 mana mindcontrol that stole everything your opponent tried to put on board. Theotar stole the best card in your opponents hand to limit answers they might have had or even steal their meaningful plays to use themselves. Reno was mostly used to remove the enemies board from anything they have and limit space the following turn, to block out counter plays. All of these effects were played mostly to stop the other from playing the game, not to be defensive against their plays. And saying my opinion is not allowed just proves that you were the abuser instead of playing against them :D
Maybe if the cards were tested, or not intentionally made broken, the game would feel better.
That’s the problem. Nothing was wrong with rastakhan but because it wasn’t more powerful than the existing sets it didn’t sell as well. So now they feel like they need to blow every previous expansion out of the water. Everyone will hate it but the better answer would be to nerf existing current cards when an expansion launches. The correct thing would be to make new concepts rather than push power but they’ve proven they can’t.
@@johnj4471I remember suggesting that the new expansions be lower in power level and people were like "ew that would be terrible" like ?? Do they want another Reno??
@@KraylebStudios - Honestly? Yes. It's the Giga-Chad power players who are running the narrative on Hearthstone in practically every online forum... the moment you raise the slightest objection about how quintessentially broken various aspects of the game are, you are shouted/downvoted/blocked down by the majority of the people in that forum.
As long as the people throwing the most money at Blizzard are the ones saying, "Yes, Daddy... spank me harder. Give me the paddle with the +20 Spikes of Anal Destruction in the next set you release. Make the game so idiotically easy that even my utterly smooth, no ripples whatsoever brain can 'master' it with cards so OP broken they take zero skill to utilize properly.", then that's what Blizzard is going to keep doing.
@Maverick7613 well I guess if they're going to act like 12 year olds they'd want more cards that are usable by 12 year olds
@ we need a whole year of toned down expansions in order to set the power level otherwise it’ll just keep going up. Problem is if they don’t sell they’ll buff the cards. They need to learn to make new concepts that are strong but not simply stronger than old cards but they can’t seem to.
The Hearthstone Balance Change Situation is Insane. Just one more nerf bro. It'll save Hearthstone.
Nerf our way into balance. It's like screwing for virginity. In my opinion, the design philosophy is the problem. Rather than favouring a game of tug of war, where one side gets an advantage incrementally, it seems the team went full on for spectacle plays (I dont know if Hearthstone as an esport cause this or not).
EDIT: Oh damn... just saw the name. Hello Clark.
Does Hearthstone need saving?
Just one more. Trust. This time for sure.
It's like "Just One More Turn", except its a bad thing.
We need to nerf everything by 30 %
Team 5 should wrote a book about how to still have job after 10 years not knowing what to do.
You're saying that like the original members of Team 5 are still at Blizzard. I have no trouble believing most of them left years ago, how else would they be relearning lessons they had alredy learned back in Un'goro?
i don't think the team is the same one since the release of the game, except maybe a couple people
Yeah everyone left or got fired, a few cycles over, lol. It is in a way no wonder they don't know what direction they're going.
Brode took the talent with him.
Most of them don’t lol the turnover is crazy high
If they'd listen to Zeddy everything would be a Chillwind Yeti
A balanced card that promotes board interaction? Yeah, that's what we want...
@@konasavage if your strong turn on 4 its chillwind yeti im gonna die on a inferno blast
@@konasavage but it requires no skill to play textless minions on curve and trade with enemy minions.
@@cuihenggang What minion am I trading with? Can I get a 2 for 1 value trade? Am I going face instead? I respectfully disagree.
@@konasavage well, if that’s what Hearthstone is about, I would quit Hearthstone.
It feels like the history has run a full circle. We were praising Blizzard for doing balance changes more often, but it got to the point that they seem to not care about balance at release at all. Imagine if any other game, a physical tcg like MTG, had to alter more than 100 cards a year. People would have crucified them, but we let blizzard have what looks like no quality assurance whatsoever.
I like that they are balancing sooner but the problem is that it seems they have to balance it more often because of the powerlevel of the cards or interactions with other cards
Magic is a physical product so they do have to put more effort into pre-release balance. But Magic also thrives on stuffing their packs with jank. At least with Hearthstone when something gets nerfed, we can dust it for full value and swap it for something else of equivalent or lesser rarity. I'd take that deal over Magic any day. If HS had Commander or other co-op formats I'd probably be done with Magic entirely.
would the asteroid archetype be less toxic if asteroids were shuffled in the enemy deck (and they would say deal 2 damage to a random friendly character, of course) ? that's a little more interactive, as it gives the enemy some control of whether they want to risk drawing an asteroid
same with eruptions possibly
Doing that would also prevents spell damage from buffing the asteroids' damage and would allow kil'jaeden to be a good counter.
Maybe, though then Kil'Jaeden just hard counters all Asteroid strategies. Then there's really nothing that differentiates them from Plagues, except they don't have a Helya to make them permanent.
I hate sooooo much this this crap...
We already have that, it's called plagues. And I can't see how that change would make it more interactive. It would be more random and frustrating for both sides. If you draw them you get fucked, if you don't, your opponent will be mad as his plays didn't do anything.
Just put steam cleaner in standard, it's not rocket science to give people a solution to a deck archetype
Well hearthstone mathematics made an interesting conclusion, that not balanced and crazy cards only affect top legend players which is ver small amount of people, and for casual players things being a bit out of whack actually makes game more interesting and also gives Blizzard an easy way to shake up the meta on demand...
There is nothing interesting about it. The board doesn't matter, play two mc techs everyone has the same neutrals. Sit down.
It’s incredibly boring fighting the same 3 decks
*Beep* *Boop*
As a top 1000 legend player. I will quit asteroid shaman already bring me pain on a daily basis
@@thesalmonorchestra651 yes it is... But for bronze to gold players experience is different... They just play their pet decks, and ethereal oracle is in their deck for some janky reason and not as efficient as how legend players use it
The problem is that they refund only the cards that got nerfed (like neutrals, rare, epic) , but you already spend dust to craft all the other cards to make the deck, including legendaries.
Biggest problem is the conversion. You should always at least get half your dust every time
I feel just changing Ethereal Oracle Spellburst to ‘Draw 2 cards’ would make it way less oppressive but still allow it to be playable.
What are Star Ships suppose to do when on the one side, you have obscenely strong removal cards that invalidate late game deck from being able to play the game with a board (Reska, every Titan with a removal option, Reno, Bob) and then on the other side hand, you have the cards made in order to counteract and answer those previously mentioned cards with speed and or by being able to OTK from hand like pirates, the token shamans and handbuff decks and so many other crap
Starships are supposed to do what they currently do. Be non-interactive OTK sticks or stupid res targets that generate a billion armour.
Since that's the thing about Starships, while Zeddy likes to lump them into the "Fight for board incrementally" design, they're fundamentally not that. Since the unlaunched Starship is uninteractive it means it just builds up until the opponent can do something stupid with it like use Exodar to zap your face for 30+ damage, use Yodeller to nuke your face for 50+ damage, Priest can generate copies of a Starship that's giving like 20+ armour etc.
Like, if all this other "Crap" was removed from the game - All these hard removals, and insane from hand OTK's... Starships would literally fill in that role of being a disgustingly oppressive mechanic due to the way they function as non-interactive cards. Especially with the "Counter" card of Star Vulpera does absolutely nothing to counter them (No silence to remove pieces outright. No interaction with the dormant ship. Can only blow up the Ship after it gets launched and the opponent has a chance to get value from it and even then, it'll proc all the stacked DR effects...)
hey don't forget yogg xd
With so many QA being laid off from Blizzard, I'd imagine the Hearthstone QA team is extremely small and never has enough time to play test all the new cards, especially in the last year and it shows
thing is, even with rotation, there is still a power discrepancy between perils and great dark beyond : I really hope the design team takes a decision in where they want the game to go and stick to it completely, and don't contradict it every two weeks
You mean, "Hey, we realize the game is OP and we're totally going to get right on fixing that."
Then they release Bob... yet another utterly broken OP Neutral.
As we tell victims of abuse... watch the abuser's ACTIONS, don't listen to their WORDS.
missed opportunity to make the thumbnail "that's crazy!... anyway"
yo zeddy mate I noticed i dont get gold rewards form the track , but didnt catch when if its automatical after I reached next level cuz when collect it I get jack sheet , can you explain is there such a bug or blizzard is baldly scamming me? cheers
I think they absolutely need to stop buffing good cards. They need to buff garbage and safe cards. A lot of the buffs have been following the philosophy of making a deck competitive, which makes cards broken. They should do lots of buffs, but small buffs to cards that suck, so more decks go from being unplayably bad to okay. It would help deckbuilding and meta diversity in a much healthier way than turning strong cards into autoincludes that have to get nerfed on the release of the next set because they'd otherwise define the meta until rotation.
I think that the cards are intentionally designed to be released overpowered so they get more purchases because playing with strong cards is fun. Then, it ruins the meta and they just nerf the cards. In the end, they gain money and the players lose it.
More nerfs means more Dust, I do kinda like that part, I even bought a Golden Miniset as a free2player just because the nerfs make the value so tempting there.
While we're running stats, I'll share my own notes, got 20,080 Dust from this year's nerfs, not including the Golden Miniset Skyla.
Seriously though, it does improve the crafting flexibility to players. That's at least a silver lining, I agree that we don't necessarily need SO many nerfs. But I really do like Dust.
Why do you still play this game? Some real masochism vibes
From my experience when a youtuber plays literally any other game UA-cam will be like "no this is different you're not going to get any advertising or promotion from this"
"Countless nerfs and buffs" I'll refer you to your own spread sheet my good sir
imma be real. i have stopped playing hs recently, i havent uninstalled but more 'taking a break'. but i will say that blizzard arent doing a good job trying to bring me back. there are bad news for the game what feels like every week, meanwhile stuffing the store with overpriced cosmetics; and not many good news to compensate. im really not optimistic in the games future.
Properly balancing a game requires a firm baseline for power. Bad designers see this as a limitation when it is really an opportunity for creativity. As a result, they ditch the baseline and go nuts to the detriment of their game. They think there will always be enough players to support this,so they disregard the effect that it has on the overall health of the game. Hearthstone has never had truly great designers, so what do you expect?
In my FB custom card group I've always highly encouraged people to balance their ideas around Vanilla cards using the old school point system theory that even custom HS Redditers promoted for years before throwing the system the towel due to power creep; but I'm still personally a firm believer in it, and think that whatever system they did use in the past got thrown away... Oracle for example compared to Thalnos would Not be a Common rarity at neutral (but that's another story)... I also think too tho that part of the problem lies in changing things too fast rather then just letting the players find ways to change the meta themselves through the year as it's supposed to work rather than giving in right away to the whiners.
I wonder what the alternative might be. Felt like back in the day they had a bigger testing team that would look at card combinations and check this kind of stuff. Feels like the dev team is so small now...
Guy who calls for more nerfs than anybody - and complains thar they are never enough - wants less nerfs.
Zeddy, as a newer subscriber to your content, I appreciate how much you frequently, lately, have been putting out, but for the love of god, can we get an upload with any information leaked, confirmed, verified, or at least something not reminding us of the dredge that is Standard AND Battlegrounds right now.
Feels like the only reason oracle remaind untouch is cause is the first time a spell burst card is relevant. (The 8 mana druid minion is only useful cause funny manacheat)
Healthstone DESPERATELY needs to not cost zero
I like their approach of publishing broken cards and then nerfing them, so that I get full dust from duplicates.
I don't know if it is too many nerfs. It does keep the game ever changing. Not to long of the same meta. I do agree that the game feels out of wack and even unfun sometimes. I don't know that nerf/buffs are always in direct corralation to that. I love the extra dust on dupes though!
it says on the reddit post on the right side the posting date sir
I almost wonder if they do it on purpose. Take Clash Royale where the new cards are stupidly broken, and once the players buy the packs to max it out, it gets nerfed. HS could we doing the same thing to sell the new cards.
The latest expension is one of the worst. It has nothing to do with strategy anymore. Just have thet right car in your hand and you propably win.
I've quit caring about Hearthstone because of this philosophy. For the past few years, I've been playing it only for a few weeks whenever there's an expansion that hypes me. Reno, Lone Ranger, Odyn, Boomboss Tho'grun, Rheastrasza... All those cards were very exciting to me. But I knew they were doomed to be nerfed TO THE GROUND when the following expansion came up because Blizzard thinks "THE META NEEDS TO CHANGE, OLD CARDS MUST NOT SEE PLAY ANYMORE AND NEW CARDS MUST SEE TONS OF PLAY". Yeah, okay, whatever... And it's like that everytime. What's the point of having created Standard in the first place, then? Someone needs to remind Blizzard of the whole reason why they created Standard: they explicitely said it was so they would no longer need to powercreep the game every expansion.
Also: how the bloody hell has it been normalized to have scheduled balance patches? TEST YOUR GAME BEFORE RELEASE, MORONS!
Lots of good points in the video. However I dont agree with there being to many balancing changes. If we look at something like master duel for yugioh they get monthly banlists to adjust the meta. Do I think we need monthly balancing patches no i do naut but I think blizzards willingness to nerf/buff cards is an improvement over them never changing any / very few changes of ye olde hearthstone days. I also see great dark beyond as a step in the right direction to slow the game down further atleast after the rotation.
Thanks Zeddy, nice and necesary video!
MHBA: Make Hearthstone Balanced Again!
I know back in the day I was frustrated that it took forever before any nerfs were done.
Now it seems I never run out of dust because there are constant nerfs, but I do miss the fun and interactive board battles.
Combo's and broken stuff are too prevalent and especially the number of cards that punish you for playing cool minions on board? It's insane, even board wipes are trending to be one-sided and keep going face as well, as if aggro needed more help!
I actually am so burnt out from Hearthstone. No homebrew decks stand a chance and board is dead. Stealing on board minions is so much worse then destroying or silencing them
I'm so glad that I've been away for a good year.
I have no trouble believing most of the original Team 5 members left years ago, how else would the dev team be relearning lessons they had alredy learned back in Un'goro?
"The game doesn't feel a ton of fun a lot of the times"... this will only get fixed if people stop playing and paying for the product.
If you aren't having fun and think this game isn't great as is but you're still playing and giving any money to it.... You're the problem. Look in the mirror. Microsoft is staying the same course.
The "big turn" crowd needs to be removed from the design team. This shit isn't fun for 99% of us.
I returned to the game 1 month ago and I have been having a good time playing all the different decks. I feel like the balance is all over the place but the game overall is still ok and I think the game will be much better after rotation as it will be a giant shake up to the meta. Also I appreciate all the f2p features Blizzard has added as I was able to build Control warrior with the free loaner deck.
Nobody says "bah-roak-en" like Zeddy. Nobody.
Balance testing by what parameters? What would be the standard so they would distinguish "good " design from "bad" one. Would they even have time for this when people are going to complain anyway?
I think frequent balance changes at least keep the game relatively fresh; not always. We collect more dust which can be used to craft more cards.
Maybe I would go so far as to say that they are not drastic enough.
Maybe they should try adding "but not less than 1" to anything that reduces mana.
I would love to see unusable legendaries chance to shine like Deck of Chaos or Oblivitron or Boogeymonster
Nerf = Dust refund = Me happy
I like many nerfs as a semi free to play player (I buy mini sets for money...) I can get alot of dust from the constant nerfs... I dont see much point in the buffs though especially when they break the game.
Part of it is they are too afraid to kill archetypes. Look at the demon seed. It has RUINED wild, as has the completely broken libram paladin. Same with Sonya rogue, or dungar druid, etc etc.
These are decks which have unfun and uninteractive playstyles, and warp the meta. But everytime a nerf finally arrives, they always say "we know it's a problem, bit some people like playing it, so we will reduce it but not kill it!" - and the card continues to be a problem.
They are trying to keep a small part of the playerbase happy at the expense of the rest. I'm a control player. Standard is dead to me. Wild is dead to me. The game isnt fun anymore. Just outright getting rid of the most toxic archetypes may upset the toxic players, but it would retain everyone else.
They are making poor decisions based on trying to be "too" nice and reaching the worst possible compromises with the worst outcomes.
If they want hearthstone to recover? They need to grow some backbone and DESTROY problematic cards and decks, else we will see the same cycle over and over again.
Rant over.
They refuse to nerf strong cards that aren’t used as if strength=use. If a certain deck is being played and it counters a strong card and said deck gets nerfed guess what happens. Stop nerfing solely on meta.
I got the signature cici for demonhunter and disenchanted it cause it was bad. Then the card got changed
I miss Solo Adventures
only nerfing Demon seed isnt doing anything, now instead of warlock, you keep facing Libram paladin and Big shaman 90% of the time
How is nerfing Oracle going to stop paladin? Libram paladin runs it and shaman of course, but that does nothing to stop buff paladin.
idk if the card designer and balance team are playing the game or not, like therere some broken cards that everyone knows shouldnt add to the game
Blizzard please we need mini expansion news. Zeddy has run out of content to make daily videos about. 😂
They should do more to hype those up. It's usually card-revealed a week or so before and then is just out. At least we got the semi-reveal a month or so ago, I guess.
@@KnownAsKenji Yeah and it being a crossover with another game makes it a bigger deal than other mini expansions.
Im liking all the dust we get
Miss the time that a op card was a 7 mana 5.5 with wind fury 😂
I guess i am the only happy person here even if i am not playing the game to much.
So much refunds.. .:D
Winrates are close to 50% and we see turn 10 and later again.
So unfortunately players don’t realize that if they cry for nerfs long enough, the card will be nerfed and eventually make a new deck unplayable. So now we’re back to the boring swarm shaman and buff paladin meta. We’ve had some actually different decks this year like wheelock, big spell mage, reno decks. But no, they make you “feel bad” so they have to go away. Enjoy your boring meta where buff paladin is the top again.
There are games that actually got way worse by listening to streamers. I quit Destiny 2 in part because unpopular weapons were completely ignore by balance and they made the game so hard it got impossible to play solo with randoms because everyone complained it was too easy until then, somehow
But if that was the case with Hearthstone, it would be a Control Warrior snooze fiesta with 40 minute games instead of a post-Stormwind solitaire simulator.
It is still the same nonsense, and it will all keep happening because a game like hearthstone probably can't really be balanced, or at least if it could be the window of time that was there to change it was closed a long time ago. Hearthstone is a game that basically requires things like secrets, and randomness, and mana cheating, and all the other mechanics that have been stirring up the same old controversy for years now. In any game these things would require strict and closely watched balancing. Unfortunately though a balanced meta won't hook a new player who wants to feel like they are good at the game because they don't understand that their deck is essentially in autoplay. Imho wild is the only format worth playing. Sure, it's filled to the brim with absurd power level, but at the very least you aren't left to the whims of which classes or decks decided to give the next expansion to. In wild most classes are at least decently viable and there is a lot more room to play homebrew decks and actually climb (to a point.)
When cards draw a play when drawn they should use up a draw. Ethereal Oracle has 2 chances to draw 100 asteroids
Ben Brode please save me 🙏
It's exhausting playing 6 different metas per expansion, give me some time to practice a deck before it's nerfed or made irrelevant
I mean, people are exaggerating things but don't try to deny the effect the creator discord has on balance. Its not coincidence that a lot of the changes you have proposed actually happened. Even exact changes you proposed. I don't think there should be a secret creator discord at all
It can very easily be a coincidence, yes. The changes that are obvious could be said by anyone, creator or not, and the accuracy of the "predictions" could very well just be the creators relaying the changes that the developers themselves have already hinted at. As has been pointed out countless times, the changes don't reflect what most of the creators would actually want, so it seems more like people just looking for a low-hanging group to lay the blame on. That is to say, since the developers aren't receptive to criticism, people seemingly have just decided to shoot the messenger, instead.
Meanwhile, things like the Theorycraft streams happen and then EVERY creator talks about how broken a particular card is and then... Nothing happens. Then months later, a stupid nerf that doesn't work happens to the obviously broken cards despite everyone and their cat literally saying how to fix it since before it launched...
Most of the creator discord is about giving creators early access to announcements and patch notes so they can prepare videos about them before they drop (Not that much earlier mind. It's not like what people like to claim with Zeddy getting the patch notes a week ahead of schedule so his "Predictions" are just him reading from the actual notes. More like a day in advance so they have time to make a video)
This is done because it promotes more healthy content releases from creators, whom, instead of having to try and rush out a video (Sometimes at ridiculous hours) after things get announced to get the views, have the chance to prepare things early to release at the same time as the announcements.
Of course, Zeddy does do rush job videos when reveal seasons come around, since those aren't shared to creators (Outside of them being given cards to reveal) and we see the effects of that. With things like him rushing out videos at like 3am and so he makes a lot more mistakes (Hence the "Zeddy can't read cards" meme)
If they want to save hearthstone ...they have to release monk class and rework the whole game in rerms of power level and clas identity
Zeddy's Comment Section is one of the most miserable Places that Exist like guys chill
Make Quasar cost 10 so rogue can't 4 mana fuckin 0 mana + draw a guaranteed card draw into more card draw draw their whole deck for free with that stupid spellburst card.
Oricale needs to loss spell damage at a minimum
Can we just fire Zeddy instead? There are tons of different decks, and most classes are nearing 50%. Can he just stop complaining?
The only boring thing is that most people gravitate to the same decks, people are boring. But the opportunity to play different decks is there.
Sonya nerf ❌
Sonya killed ✅
I feel like they need to just... go back and rebalance everything maybe
Nerfs are great. Half of my dust comes from nerfs.
I'm already not excited for the mini set anymore. The current meta feels horrible and the mini set will either be as meaningless as the rest of the set. Or they bring new stuff in that will be more frustrating.
I will likely not play anymore until rotation and see how that changes the game.
Don't forget to leave an Arena run up. Cheers.
It seems i came back to hs in the time when everyone became a big cryer
Why are they so reluctant to buff old cards? Rewrite old ones to create new synergies. The current balance strategy is just lazy. Create new archetypes. *Sigh*
If something has gotten worse after 5 years, doesnt mean the problem is the same 😂 it means its worse. They just need to get rid of classes as they are incapable of making an expac where every class has one good deck. Every expac, same deck over and over
I’ve been saying this for years but they need to introduce a global rule where mana cheat always has (but not less than 1), mana cheating would still be really good, and it stops a lot of bs from happening
ive been saying this for ages too
oracle is fine geez....problem is mana cheat and absurd effects like shuffling like 30 asteroid in your decks(60 dmg).....Tickatus(yes he would be an issue again if the power creep get dialed back a bit).... Dew Process should not do what it does period(Kiljaeden is a poor excuse of a counter as he create imbalance himself if alloted to be play.....there no answering infinite 15/15+ minions....steamcleaner wont help much either if you get it while the board is full of giant threats...............at the rate they going they gonna have to nerf like 200 cards....right now there likely around 150 in need of nerfs
stop pooping new expansions and plz fix everything wrong since darkmoon faire and cards like loatheb//boom pistol bully which became problematic over time.....revert the Jinyu to have only 1 effect of the counter in play at a time, not 6 of them with shudderwock denying 6 cards to be playable......revert Illucia but make her not playable if there is less than 2 cards in your hand.........abyssal curse reduce from 2 mana to 1 mana(those tax are too much when you also gotta heal and get ride of those from your hand)......dont allow Avianna to overide effects of boompistol bully(thats like ignore the card effect).......and so much more.....like common get fixing, stop unleashing volley of crap one after another
and for ffs make reno hero power(refresh 2 mana) cap at 3 use per turn.....not infinite use of it
terminate Tamsin already, it need to be gone, gone gone gone GONE !...."pull hairs out"
Other than obvious broken cards. It is not among my top concerns about the game. NERFs make me more excited than an expansion reveal, because of potential dust. - lol
Gives me a lot of dust, I'm ok with it :D
If any of your decks got nerfed it actually costs you a lot of dust.
You see, they refund the cards they nerfed, but when your deck is now useless, they don't refund all those other epics/legendaries that are only viable in that particular deck.
@@taserrr That may be true for some people but I play wild mostly so I'm usually good, plus I buy every expansion and with the nerfs I can craft whatever decks I want. So this problem is not for me
I kinda wish they did a reset next expansion year and lower down the power level super low, so that we can get a game where your decision matters and not just who's lucky and gets to their win con first. By either otk from hand or have full board with 8/8 super minions on turn 4/5
They have it set up for it. Badlands and Titans are where like 80% of the problems are with board play. (Also, take out deckhand and leeroy in rotation)
It all depends on what happens in rotation.
Don't know how to make a card playable just slap Rush, Discover, copy, draw or mana cheat and bam it will prob see play
In 6 years of playing this rubbish game, they created a very weak new collection, which made me not want to play the game, but the false propaganda had bought me, so I gathered 4800 arcane dust and when the new collection came into the game, I crafted 2 legendary from DK and another from neutral. I played excitedly for two weeks until I realized that all Legendaries are weak! Better that way, I focus more on YU-GI-OH Master Duel! Hugs Blizzard!
UNNERF RENO PLS GODDAMN BRING IT BACK TO BOARD LIMITING AND TO CLEARING LOCATIONS/DORMANTS
Reno was one of the most unfun most oppressive most polarising most broken and obscene cards ever printed in the game. A one sided twisting nether that shuts off your opponents board is just disgusting. It's never going to happen and it shouldn't. It's people like you who are part of the problem
@@dominicwilson9467 agrro/board flood player detected. Honestly do you know what a stupid thing having no counters to any dormants is/was? Or having to run one otherwise useless card or lose X percentage of games? Bingo. Or hope you can zephyrs out black hole on turn 10...
@PhukYu2 an 8 mana neutral legendary that any deck can run should not be that impactful. The fact that any deck could run the card and it could single handedly make even the most abyssmal decks some what viable on its own is a testament to how obscenely detrimental the card was and that it should never have been created in the first place. It isn't going to be reverted back to the way it was initially so get over it. cope harder and cry more
@@dominicwilson9467 also stop destroying/nerfing control into the ground in favor of hyperfast otk/aggro/combos that cost 0 mana.
Nerfstone, craft deck, nerf, craft deck, Nerf...
dust the devs
Zeddy you making so much videos about just 1 patch 😂 it's frustrating
You not being able to speak correct English is frustrating.
Also you not have even a profile pic fake account stfu my English is enough for you@@chipchippahson
By the way HS is going you better start learning Chinese or you might wanna go back to your accounting job 😂
just play a fun deck in wild its way more fun then standard shit
Brand new video about the same old crap
The solution is simple guys. Just stop playing your freaking broken game
Dont forget to spend more $$$$
They need to buff starting hp to like 40. Chillwind yeti used to be solid card. Now 4 mana, 8/5 no text probably would not be good enough. It's too easy to accidently die with the power creep
If you gut OTK and Spells, isn't that gutting 2 core hearthstone things? We don't want just chillwind yetis. Many games now are board based. The OTK and Spells is a nice variety to the game. We can't remove rogue, mage, priest and shaman and only buff Warrior/DK for Zeddy... please. Variety is the best flavor. Give something for everyone.
The problems with spells started around the time they added spell schools. Maybe a fine concept but terrible execution. Everything they did with the spell schools only made the game worse
Zeddy please stop torturing yourself with this game. Move on lol
Complaining about this game is what pays his bills.
PIVOT!!!! 😂
SHOCKING TRUTH:
Hearthstone intentionally makes cards they know will be problematic to sell sets, then nerfs them, and pretends they didn't know.
The only way the game becomes "fun and interactive", is when strong defensive cards are allowed to exist. Considering the community hates anything with strong defensive value, and demands they be nerfed to oblivion [Yogg, Reno, Theotar, etc.] this game will continue to be all about offensive solitaire decks where interactivity is at a minimum. The Reno change was especially sad considering it killed an entire archetype in order to protect something NOBODY PLAYS ANYWAY. Nobody plays Starships, and anybody who does play Starships knows Reno is not why they were bad.
Zeddy, you're no better. You demand for 10 different cards to be nerfed every month. You're not innocent here. The moment a card prevents a deck strat, you want it nerfed. Hearthstone players absolutely cannot handle not being able to play exactly how they want every game. If some defensive card nullifies any part of their offensive strat, they want it nerfed.
None of the cards you mentioned do anything defensive. They only punish decks that already play slowly. So yeah it is frustrating to face them. Slow decks already die to Aggro, but with tools like Reska, Reno, Theotar etc. it is already pointless playing anything non aggro. We can't interact on our opponents turn. And cards like that make the little things we can do meaningless. It's fun for you playing them, but when you on the receiving end, why even bother?
@@xsas8731 Saying pre-nerfed Yogg, Theotar, and Reno did nothing defensively invalidates any opinion you might have afterwards.
@@chrisgipson1860 pre nerf yogg was a 0 mana mindcontrol that stole everything your opponent tried to put on board. Theotar stole the best card in your opponents hand to limit answers they might have had or even steal their meaningful plays to use themselves. Reno was mostly used to remove the enemies board from anything they have and limit space the following turn, to block out counter plays.
All of these effects were played mostly to stop the other from playing the game, not to be defensive against their plays.
And saying my opinion is not allowed just proves that you were the abuser instead of playing against them :D
@@xsas8731 I fail to see how your very generic, and inaccurate, description of these cards addresses what I said.
@@xsas8731 I'm not interested in debating with you.
First?
First 🎉. And also in your hearts.