Declaration of Independence - 18th Century North Virginian Accent
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- Could have called this the somewhat more clickbaity "George Washington" accent. I'd say that's a bit iffy given this might not've been. It's pretty likely though, he came from the right area and a relatively middle-class family.
It sounds like a calm Scottish person
Now that sounds like an oxymoron!
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I hear so many different bits of contemporary accents in this. Very interesting sounding.
It sounds like a mix of all the British accents like English Scottish Irish, plus a bit of modern New Yorker and New Jersey strangely enough
The series John Adams on HBO did a good job with this. The various actors portraying the founding fathers in Philadelphia speak with a variety of accents common to the period. Zeljko Ivanek, in particular, playing John Dickinson, did a phenomenal job with it.
Strongly recommend this as well, I remember being struck by that fact when I watched it--such a treat seeing period-correct accents!
That series is nothing but incredible but story-wise, it took a lot of creative liberties with it.
it sounds like a scotsman morphing back and forth from himself to a calm southern rancher
The reason why the United States doesn't have the generic British accent unlike places like Australia and New Zealand, is because the standard British accent that we all know today wasn't developed yet during this time.
They did or still do but varies by region of course..., parts of the southern east coast for example resemble the accent of the sussex region in England
The southern accent is the closest accent to the mother country mate compare that accent to those of Cornwall west county and devon
@@inigobantok1579 "The southern accent is the closest accent to the mother country" Only in media
Ha Ha buddy, you speak of this "Calm Scottish person" as if they actually exists!
I'll trade you a "Unpretentious Englishman" for it if you can back up your claim 😉
Same for Canda
In the tangier islands off of North Carolina they more or less still speak in this accent. The community is so isolated that it’s preserved it’s dialect for centuries. They’re often called “hoigh toiders” for how they pronounce “high tide” with the fronted /oi/ like in this video. Look it up, it’s dope af
Discovered this like a year ago, so cool
Are you speaking of Tangier Island in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay?
Hoi Toiders don't sound like this, this sound like my part of England mixed with the southern US
@@jackholloway1 lemme guess, Derbyshire/Notts way?
@@testadalord01432 no
You should do more of these early-proto-American-accent videos ABAlphaBeta, there are so few videos on youtube pertaining to this sort of English from the 18th century. Also I just realized how "Scottish" sounding this accent sounded.
Been trying but I want the accent to be perfect
@@ABAlphaBeta I'll certainly look forward to it.
@@Urlocallordandsavior I would especially like to hear a general New York accent of the 1700s from someone of English descent
@@ABAlphaBeta Kinda sounds Liverpuddian, Scottish and Welsh at the same time
@@SStupendous I have no idea where people are getting Scottish from. Are you mixing up Irish/Northern Irish and Scottish? Cos that doesn't sound like anywhere in my country. The only thing really sounding Scottish is the aggressive R's, but that's also old, upper class english and northern/midland English accents like Birmingham and Liverpool
So, basically a U.S. southerner from Appalachia trying to do his best at his favorite "Braveheart" movie accent while gargling Irish whiskey, right?
Can you do more videos on this, and maybe some other British colonies, like Australia or South Africa?
Sure thing! Jamaican too!
ABAlphaBeta great! Your videos are so interesting
@@ABAlphaBeta WHERE ARE THESE VIDEOS????????
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Second Breakfast
This deserves more likes 😂😂😂
Sounds like my Mexican work colleagues spectacularly inept attempt to do a Sean Connery impersonation. People would block their ears and beg him to stop. I think because he'd got an ok English English accent here in the UK pretty well , that meant he'd cracked all the English language family of accents. He hadn't! 😂
WAIT….THERES PAISA IN THE UK?!??? Wtf 😭😭😭😭. I’ve never heard of that before 💀💀
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Damn, George Washington would have spoken this way.
The Ulster is strong with this one lol. I'd always know about the Ulster influence in the Appalachian dialect but I'd never heard it till recently. I grew up in North Alabama and recently met a northern Irish person from Ulster. The one sound where the similarity is VERY clear is in words than end in "wer" or "our" as in power or hour. The Northern Irish say power like Par and in Appalachia we always said it like paa'er
You hope eh? F Ulster.
Agreed. This sounds like a blend of Ulster and north/midland English. With a few other twangs blended in
It's like someone from Belfast and someone from Birmingham raised a nervous little baby together. 😍
Sounds like every awful Hollywood attempt at a Scottish accent.
Doesnt surprise me though, since the southern states had a huge influx of Scots, especially after 1746. It always made me wonder if thats the reason the Confederate Flag is basically the same as a Scottish one (Saltire/St Andrew's Cross).
Hi, I'm SUCH huge fan of your videos! They 100% serve my geeky linguistic passion. But can you please add some sources or references in your videos? How do you know for sure that this was the proper accent? I would LOVE to see the linguistic research involved. Thank you!!!
They trilled their r's?
Only sometimes, and it was probably a class thing since it's said the common folk made the "dog sound" like a growl, probably the modern alveolar (or they actually barked?).
@@ABAlphaBeta How do you know if they sounded like that if there was no audio recordings back then to listen to?
@@jasonpalacios2705 pronunciation guides of the time, dictionaries, rhymes, natural developments
@@ABAlphaBeta Interesting,how about do a video on how the people of the US Civil War era sounded like?. Only a suggestion.
Jason Palacios There is actual video interviews from 1929 here on UA-cam where they interviewed people born in the early 1800’s who had lived into old age. The video is titled “1929 Interviews With Elderly People Throughout The US” and one of the elderly men they interviewed was born in 1826. It’s interesting that they don’t speak much differently than we do in the modern day, but still a fascinating glimpse at linguistic American history.
As a little note for everyone most English speakers of that part of America at that time were of Scottish or Welsh decent.
The majority were of English ancestry
no proof
White protestants intermarried in America, come on.
Did the Welsh speak English back then? Or Welsh? So many English kids who were evacuated to Wales in WW2 came back fluent in Welsh
The lower classes perhaps, but not framers of the constitution from Virginia
It sounds better than all current American English accents to be honest
Glad to hear that, hopefully they can switch back, lol
Why do you disagree on that?
+ABAlphaBeta That'd be unrealistic
Also, Modern Accents are still as great imo!
@aattitude If you listen to old voice recording of people born before 1850s, speaking in their natural ways, you would hear they were more diverse back in the days, the standard American accent changed somewhat overtime based on my research.
@aattitude While the TranslatIantic accent is indeed artificial, I have to disagree on the assertion that the American Accent from this time period sounded the same as 21st-Century American English, let alone American English at the turn of the Century. My 92-year-old Grandfather from New Bedford sounds nothing like people from the same area born after 1960. He says "mon-dee and fri-dee" instead of Monday and Friday, and pronounces the _qu_ in quarter (/kɔrtər/) like the _qu_ in quiz (/kwiz/), which is a lot less common nowadays. Interestingly, if you listen to interviews of elderly people from 1929 from the working class, you can hear how different their accent sounds compared to people now, both young and elderly.
Sounds so similar to the classic New England accent my oldest relatives speak. Like JFK trying to do a half-hearted British impression. lmao
So interesting! It's like a Scottish accent and a Brummie accent combined. Love it, though 🥰
Im not trying to doubt you, but with out being able to hear these people talk from a recording, how can you know what their accent sounded like?
How accurate do you think it is to the original 18th century accent?
Yan Kevin There's probably some stuff and variants we don't know about - but relatively.
From the recordings you can only hear how people in America sounded like in the 19th century, but it would be cool to hear the accents of the 18th century. nice work by the way!
Yan Kevin Cheers! And it indeed would. Perhaps one day? Who knows!
Love this. I have a “friend” who lives in Virginia who swears on god (and idk where she learned this) that her current accent is exactly what the first american settlers/founding fathers sounded like. And ever since she first said that it felt wrong to me and just weird as f. And let me tell you, she sounds nothing like this recording. Ik this is only a guess but this is way more believable than what shes saying
The first settlers from Britain would've had very distinct regional accents from the British Isles.
The accents of the Founding Fathers are reacted through many sources, including a phonetic alphabet by Franklin.
If she’s from the Appalachian part, it’s kind of understandable. The Appalachian dialect has barely changed from what the original Scots-Irish immigrants sounded like.
Virginian here. We have varying but largely normal American-sounding accents.
The Founding fathers sounded like a classic New York City Manhattan accent. How do I know this? I'm from a region in southern Connecticut, the Lower Naugatuck Valley, that has that accent. It was settled in 1639. When I was a tourist in England, I was asked a few times if I was a British expat. That's someone who moved from England to the USA. I was told that I sounded very British but, at times, traces of American would come thru. A Manhattan accent sounds very British to British ears. I was often tagged off as coming from Derby, England by the British. The lower Naugatuck Valley where I'm from in Connecticut was settled by Derby, England.
Just bear in mind that this is not a period recording. Nevertheless, your Virginian friend is utterly and damnably wrong.
Sounds like a born and bred southerner trying his damndest to do am upper class accent
How do we know this accent is historically true?
Because “trust me bro” 😂
Written English wasn't quite as codified back then, so when it came to writing, it was far more phonetic compared to now. So, based on how people wrote, you can get a pretty good idea of how they spoke. I'm sure if you saw the original text it would be much more obvious.
That’s Niles!
@@kutter_ttl6786I've read the declaration of independence and other documents from the time and the accents don't come through.
Sounds northern Irish
In certain vowel parts definitely.
From what I understand, the accent in Virginia--particularly the planters--derives from what was spoken in English Civil War era West-country and Midland speech; additionally, they'd maintained close contacts with the mother country, well into the mid-18th century (George Washington's older brother went to Britain for schooling, for example). As a result they also tried to partly emulate the speech of the aristocracy in Britain.
It certainly explains why, even in the 19th century, the few recordings we have of southerners from there show a clearly English lilt to the speech (warning: the guy is a CSA veteran, so his language will come across as a tad racist):
ua-cam.com/video/uHDfC-z9YaE/v-deo.html
Washington--while not the highest-born person--was from that general class, though his ancestry was from the East Midlands.
Why is it you had to put a warning?
Because he says "darkie" and "negro"? (Although his accent sounds like it's actually "nigra")
Or was that simply because he was a Confederate?
You cannot judge a man who was born in 1846 by the morals and standards of 2020.
As a small sidenote I have heard that accent in use and I can tell you with absolute certainty he is saying "negro" or "negros" (Spanish for black) however the accent makes him sound like he is saying "nigra" or "nigras".
Video is gone... Any idea where else we can access it?
@@Albukhshi Thank you for sharing. This is very interesting stuff.
@Joe Guajardo Because he did judge him. He said his words sounded "a tad racist".
As I've said in my original comment you cannot judge a man born in 1846, his actions, or his words with today's standards.
And yes I will continue to defend him as not being racist by today's standards because I know of his activities after the guns fell silent.
Did you even listen to what he had to say from beginning to end?
I'd suspect that you didn't.
Because if you did you'd know what his personal thoughts on slavery was.
And if you researched what he did after the war you'd know he had beliefs that were beyond his time.
@@JohnnyReb There were abolitionists from the very start of US history. There were people who understood what was right. The man likely WAS a racist, and sure it was an effect of the time he was raised in, but what does that change? Can we no longer state that a man who was a racist was a racist? You’re a fool.
It is very common for a language with speakers who are separated for a long time to change, esp. as to pronunciation.
Cf. Latin>French, Italian, Spanish, Romany, Catalan, et al. Note that Canadians also were separated from native speakers, and assumed the pronunciation of people with whom they shared a continent. (With a few exceptions.) The speaker's cadence and phrasing is way off. He is extremely uncomfortable speaking.
Noah Webster's fame developed during the Revolution. The Dictionary didn't come until 1828. He approached George Washington with the idea of making a "speller" of American words. The spelling was intended to standardize pronunciation, esp. of the Army. This book went westward with the Conestoga wagons. You can read it online.
I’m not buying it.
many of the vowels sound similar to a northern ireland or western scotland accent. and the "earth" vowel sounded like liverpool ( which is in turn related to northern ireland)
Sounds just like a cross between the Deep South and Scottish Lowlands
Sounds like that episode in FRIENDS when Ross fakes an accent to his class to sound more intelligent, only to have to "phase" it out after he's seen doing it by Rachel and Monica.
no one cares about that soy show
This is fascinating, but different than I expected. I seem to remember in that wonderful television series from the 1980s-I think it was called “The Story of English”- they said that the English upper class/aristo accent at the time was more like the accent of the American Deep South of today. Very drawly. Am I recalling that correctly? (Of course Virginia is not Deep South, I understand that.)
It would be hard to tell if the speaker was from Northumbria, Dorset, Scotland or the States as the pronunciation varies so much throughout the passage spoken.
Over time these accents would blend and become one.
TIL early Americans were from Belfast
"a relatively middle class family" lol he was actually one of the richest men in the colonies
Tangier Island off the Northern Neck sounded like this as recently as the ‘90s due to isolation by the water. Ferry on, ferry off. Only way to reach them. Also the Guinea fisherman near Gloucester, Virginia sound similar but speak much faster. I used to live in Williamsburg and became pretty familiar with both accents. Lastly, TRUE Virginians also have a distinct accent. Phonetically speaking, they don’t live in a HOUSE, they live in a “HOOSE” or you might say instead of riding a HORSE, they ride a “HOORSE”. I’ve also encountered the accent in eastern Maryland before.
Can’t believe the colonists were all brummies this whole time
Definitely..sounds Scotish...a little Norfolk/Suffolk...included...
It sounds like a modern American veering between a bad Scottish accent and an equally bad Irish one.
Didn’t they pronounce their R’s, at least that was my belief
They did take THIS then at the RRRRRRRRRRR! then you have the accent! Watch HBO's JOHN ADAMS! THAT is the most accurate form of accent at the time!
Sounds to be like a hybrid of Irish and West Country
Bits of Northern Ireland, Liverpool and Birmingham maybe?
Nice guess, but in reality, it's really impossible to know what Washington would have sounded like at this point.
Sounds like Scottish, Welsh, English, Irish with a french twist
The ‘becomes’, ‘another’, ‘amoung’, ‘should’, is very northern England, just below the Scottish border. The rest is very Scottish, with hints of northern Irish in it. That’s crazy! Would love to know who this fella is.
Sounds a bit like a Belfast accent? At least some of the words lol
It sounds like a cross between an American southern accent and a Scottish accent
Surely you mean Northern England, like near Manchester?
im from yorkshire i can here yorkshire in this accent more than any other
I'm American and educated people from York sound more American or have a milder accent than those from southern England, that have the classic British English accent. I think the working class from York might have heavier accents, but people I've met from York, barely seem have a British accent. They were from rather wealthy families though. What is the humor in the Monty Python, York / Yorkshire skit? It seems to be making fun of wealthy people, but I don't know what the joke is.
Yeah same, I'm from Yorkshire he sounds like the wierside jack to me with a bit of Yorkshire
Sounds like a Northern Ireland accent, I'd say Belfast maybe Londonderry.
Derry*
@@emrecanarduc4378 Both are acceptable buddy.
@@emrecanarduc4378 Lmao
How do we know what accent sounded like before there were tape recorders?
Sounds a bit like a West Country Accent.
It's like Texas, Glasgow, and Devon had a baby.
A haggis pasty with ranch dressing
We don’t all sound like this
Turns out the founding fathers are from the north 😂
Sorry, not buying it. Only way anyone could know this is if they had a time machine or they were 250 years old.
Sounds like Jimmy Carter
i'm a limey but i would have been a furious supporter of american independence, fighting alongside george washington. the american war of independence is my favourite war, in terms of justness of cause and righteousness of outcome
Utterly based
Terrible opinion, literally the foundation of every disaster we've had since
@@jackholloway1 Stay mad
Tony you're the kind of immigrant America needs.
@@counterfeit6089 yes I am mad that your country is the biggest producer and promoter of the problems the rest of us have to face and that right wing Americans somehow see the founding of their country on the principles of liberalism to be a good thing
I wish it was still like this today... my German accent would be way less noticeable :-)
Certain vowels sounds would still be less like German, try saying ""my house has a tiny mouse".
How would we know that’s how colonials sounded?
It's like an RP-speaking Brit mixed with a Scot. I can absolutely see how we got our accent from this.
Kind of sounds like Calvin Coolidge in his presidential speech movie, and the was the 1920s. Interesting.
Here's the one I'm talking about if you want to compare: ua-cam.com/video/pNQn86vL5zE/v-deo.html
I find this particular one a stretch. There is clearly a Scottish brogue, and while some families did come here from Scotland, the overwhelming accent would have been one of the English varieties. It’s still fascinating though - to consider they likely sounded more British than what we now consider “American”.
That’s not really true at all; what we today consider “English” accents didn’t exist at the time, and the colonists all had wildly differing dialects-Midlands in New England, upper class for the deep southern aristocracy, but primarily Scottish and Irish for the much larger deep southern servant/slave class (which was then taught to the new African slaves), as well as among the vast majority of people who settled in Appalachia-including western Virginia. Today, between that and the new influx of Irish immigrants in the 19-20th centuries, most white Americans are predominantly of Scottish/Irish descent.
@@koletonnelson6310 Interesting. I knew much of what you said, such as what we consider a US “southern accent” is actually an off-shoot the British dialect of early America. But I had never heard that a Scottish brogue would have been considered common among our forefathers. Thank you for that perspective!
I also think this is a 'stretch' given that it claims to be an 18th century (1701-1799) recording, and no known recording device existed until the late 1800s. These are among the earliest known recordings, the earliest from 1859, which is the mid-19th century: ua-cam.com/video/-0H8Q4QD-cM/v-deo.htmlsi=mIKDmZDymbvskgEn
But accentwise, there are scholars who have done a lot of forensic research into regional accents of the British isles long before recordings and that research is fascinating. A father and son pair of Shakespearean scholars/linguists/actor, David and Ben Crystal, have defined what they believe to have been something close to the accent (to the extent there may have been a standard-ish accent) of Shakespeare's London and the Globe in London has put on productions of Shakespeare's play in this 'original pronunciation.' It sounds little like the received pronunciation we think of as hoity-toity Shakespearean affect; instead, it sounds a lot more rugged, and people variously think it sounds Irish or American or Australian, and that has to do with the pronunciation of the letter R from the southern coast of what's now England (Cornwall, which has its own language and is its own ethnic group within England), which is how we think of as stereotypical 'pirate speak.' Since Cornwall was a port area, many immigrants from Britain came to the US and Australia and therefore we received a lot of their pronunciation among early American settlers, which influenced our pronunciation, after which the non-rhotic R became a standard pronunciation throughout much of Great Britain. The Boston area came by their non-rhotic R 'honestly,' as people who landed there likely came mostly from regions where this was more common, but the so-called Midatlantic or transatlantic accent that developed artificially and caught on in parts of New England and New York was manufactured and adopted because some American people thought non-rhotic pronunciations sounded more refined. The reality is that prior to any kind of broadcast media, accents were highly localized county by county throughout the UK to the extent some people had trouble understanding one another's everyday speech, with no region's accent being generally 'better' than any other's because most people were peasants, and people from throughout the country emigrated to the US and fed into our regional accents, along with immigrants from other countries. My father is from New Bern, North Carolina, and according to Ancestry DNA, his side of the family first arrived there around the 1750s-1760s, and they came from England, Scotland and Switzerland. People in that area have a typical southeastern US accent, and one would assume that that is derived from British immigrants, which it is, but New Bern was named for Bern, Switzerland, and there's no doubt that the Swiss speakers also had an influence on how that area's accent developed for hundreds of years and many generations. Meanwhile, my mother's father was from the mountains of Virginia and his ethnic background was English, Scottish and German and his dialect was markedly different than my father's family. My father's mother, whose family also was in the US for hundreds of years, was Pennsylvania Dutch (e.g., of German origin) and that family maintained some odd syntax (my father's grandmother used to say 'Throw the cow over the fence some hay.'), whereas my mother's mother's family were Irish refugees who fled to Pennsylvania during the famine in the 1850s, and they came from a rural area of Ireland where people spoke only Irish, no English at all, and even though my grandmother was a second-generation American, she and her siblings maintained some curious syntax that stemmed back to their Irish ancestors' original language.
All of which is just to say that even going back to their foundations, the US indeed was made up of immigrants from various countries or at least from various regions within the British isles and I don't think there is really a standard dialect from the 1700s, much less on that has been recorded for us to hear. Surely some of those here in the DC area spoke with Scottish-ish brogues and trills, but surely others had pirate-like dialects and others had accents more like what we think of as 'standard British' (received pronunciation), and others were Irish and others were German or Dutch-people were streaming in from throughout western Europe by this time for economic opportunity and religious freedom.
I grew up in Loudoun County, Virginia in the 1980s and 1990s and it's notable that the 'standard accent,' to the extent there ever may have been one, has changed markedly even just since then. When I was young, quite a lot of people in Loudoun County spoke with a twang similar to a West Virginia accent but a bit less pronounced, and I can still hear this twang among some people (such as my sister, who never left and who worked for the local government farther out west near West Virginia). This accent surely was influenced by the European languages and dialects that came to the area, but I really wonder for how long the 'twang' was in place there before I grew up there. Certainly, it sounded nothing like this recording, which is said to be from the same general area, and since the area was settled primarily by English, Irish, Scottish, Dutch and German immigrants/colonists, I think it's unlikely that the area had its own standard accent for a very long time. Scottish and Northern English can sound similar, but Scottish and Southern English sound quite different, and German and Dutch are entirely different languagages.
But the dot-com boom of the 1990s attracted people from all over the country as well as various immigrant populations-including large communities from countries as diverse as El Salvador, India and Liberia-all of whom will meld together into a unique local dialect over time, but that dialect will continue changing over time.
@@DavidMichaelCommer it is very interesting to consider that accents really are always changing. My father’s family left France, settled in Quebec City, then a few generations later settled in the northern northeast. They all spoke French, but what is known as Canadian French, and the accent was somewhat different. I could hear the difference, but my ear is not refined enough to explain exactly how it’s different. It seems like we are of similar ages (I was born in 1979), and the northern northeast area the I went to high school in was predominantly of French Canadian ancestry. Almost everyone of my parent’s generation spoke fluent French, and even my teenage classmates (in the 1990’s) who did not speak French, but had always grew-up here, spoke English with a very French Canadian accent and/or cadence. When just in the past 25 years the accent is all but gone around here.
Which English varieties? Not modern English varieties. English English dialects have changed quite a lot in the last couple hundred years.
“Declare” sounds so posh:)
And how do we know this...(?)
Sounds a little Irish. Different than today. How about accents between regions of the US today.
Was this made with AI?
New Scotland.
What’s the evidence suggesting this is how they spoke? I’m curious about authenticity
There is extensive evidence that all English people trilled their Rs up until around early to mid 1800s.
There was extensive documentation at least in England that English people trilled their Rs, notable examples are Sir Issac Newton a bunch of other people and on the American side is Benjamin Franklin and likely all of the other founders, or they would’ve insulted each other for having a lisp.
@@raymoshav-bloodboughtNot quite right, East Anglian accents were non rhotic.
Among other sources there are Benjamin Franklin's writings on phonetics.
Sounds Scottish.
50% Northern Irish
50% Brummie
I didna hear any Brummie in that I shall have to listen to it again.
oh man
this sounds my father trying to put the strreotypical high class british accent 😅
it sounds like if you took someone from scotland and moved them to america and their accent was shifting
That is kinda what happened.
but how do we know tho
I definitely hear a southern accent when he says words like “Events” or “causes”
Why are people saying Scottish it doesn’t sound Scottish in the slightest
Clueless Americans
This sounds very similar to reconstructions of an English accent from the early 1600s. I'd be surprised if people still had the same accent in the American colonies 170 years later. I thought the tapped/rolled r was already declining in the 1600s, and pretty much completely disappeared in England by the early 1700s. Then again, it's said that colonial accents were more conservative, that is, they changed at a slower pace than the accents on the mainland, England in this case, so I guess its possible that a few older people still rolled their r's in the late 1700s in the US. Phonograph recordings from the late 1870s sound pretty similar to a modern American English accent, with the same r sound that we use today.
And pretty much completely disappeared in England by the early 1700s - by that do you mean a rhotic R? If so it still exists in parts of England now and was pretty much ubiquitous outside of East Anglia and parts of London well into the 19th century
@@jackholloway1No, I'm only talking about the trilled r, ⟨r⟩ or tapped r, ⟨ɾ⟩, which sounded like the r sounds in Spanish or Italian, which were almost entirely replaced by the modern English r ⟨ɹ⟩, except for certain regional accents like northern England and Scotland.
@@markmorabito1643 ah I'm following now, I misunderstood your I think the trilled R was still a feature in parts of northern England as pate as the 20th century among a few old people so I can see it possibly existing in the US in the late 18th, but I'm not educated enough to know
Nice, source?
M A N K O I N D
This is interesting, although I am not certain it is entirely accurate... what stands out to me as I found this video going down a rabbit hole of early accents and pronunciations is that nature was pronounced [ˈnɛːtəɹ], so it rhymed with better rather than being pronounced as we do in modern times [ˈneɪtʃɚ]
I have been led to believe that the colonial English accent would be most similar to modern day Wisconsin/Minnesota and Canadian accents, kind of a mix between Northumbrian and West County where they have the rhotic r (but without the glottal stops characteristic of the West Country).
Definitely not
@@MeadeFatLoss Definitely not to which part? Etymologists have a fairly decent idea of pronunciation thanks to things like Shakespeare's rhymes and Ben Franklin's phonetic spelling
@@topknotg5530 my family has been in Virginia since the 1600s. Most of the pronunciation was not standard , especially in the Southern colonies. They relied more on spoken word, even if they were completely literate.
@@MeadeFatLoss I was referring to the spoken word, the discussion originated from talk of how the British and American accents have both diverged from their common ancestor. The reference to Shakespeare and Franklin was about how modern etymologists are able to track changes in dialect in order to figure out what people sounded like back before audio recordings existed.
I wasn't trying to say there was a standard way that people were taught to pronounce words, but rather than people like Franklin created a phonetic English because he thought that the words should be spelled the way that the American citizens pronounced them. We are all talking about the spoken word here, the old 18th c. American/British accent that sounds very little like its modern counterparts.
This sounds nothing like Wisconsin or Canadian accents, which in turn sound nothing like a mix between Northumbrian and West country
Hi! Can you provide the source to the vowels used? I like how it sounds.
this essentially meant that the accent in cromwell (1970) where it took place 100 years earlier was mostly accurate
because it almost did not sound british at all
watching outlander led me here
Lots of ppl always talk about the scotch-Irish but it’s also borderer accent, the mix of English and lowland Scotland. Some say the first true cowboys.
Cowboys in the
us was taken from Mexico and the southwest wdym
@@YE-dr3zk no.. no cowboys werent 4'8 hotdog coloured goblins
@@gavblack They were but you really took your chance to be racist about it. Cope.
@@YE-dr3zk yeah haha i did.. but am i wrong little fella? am i wrong?
Give the Berwick-Upon-Tweed accent a listen, it's crazy
It's just a Scottish man in America speaking in his native accent.
Interesting...it's like a Scottish accent mixed with the modern Southern U.S.
I’m just hyped coz I’ve learned that I’m taller than Jefferson last week.
It really is the simplest of stuff that interests me. Would Jefferson have been good on the basketball court? What would he have made of high school football? I think he’d have made an excellent lacrosse player.
He’s obviously more cerebral than I am. His first proper project in life was America. I didn’t know this is what they all sounded like, though. I wasn’t expecting them to have sounded like this. They sound odd. We might sound odd to their ears, too.
Astounding audio quality for a 18th-century recording.
Sounds like a South American who speaks a terrible English. I know it because I'm a South American who speaks a terrible English
Shades of this accent remain around the Chesapeake Bay.
Simon Roper's research indicates that the accent during that time was more like standard American. But the regional accent varied especially with new Scottish arrivals. What you portray here was more of a 17th century accent than a late 18th century one.
18th Century Virginians we’re almost certainly from England and not Scotland.
Strong Celt-Gaelic influence.
That sounded like Fitz from Agents of SHIELD.
Sounds like some kind of North of England accent.
I think I heard the beginnings of the American Southern accent in some parts.
Very much a blend or northern English, Irish, jock, westcoubtry and soutg-earetn English