Neil deGrasse Tyson on death and near death experiences
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2017
- Neil deGrasse Tyson answers an audience question about near-death experiences. "It's intriguing," he says. Watch the full talk: • A mind-expanding tour ...
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Neil degrasse gonna be the best ghost ever,
Django innit
If he haunted me i would have so many conversations with him.
He a committed atheist. Won't he be surprised when he meets God? He has a lot of explaining to do.
@@sampleowner6677 They all will learn that this planet is an experiment for us to test our moral compass, but free will blinds them.
@@sampleowner6677 commited atheist? He's said hundreds of times that he isn't an atheist just a skeptic because it's unproven
As much as I enjoy his physics lectures, I think he is simplifying this matter too much. The NDErs dont just say they have seen lights, there were cases in which their perceptions from an out-of-body perspective matched the "normal" perceptions of other people, especially in hospitals.
We need measurements (figures) not experience (storytelling).
It was in some cases measured that the person had a flat EEG (no brain activity), for some time. This makes him/her unable to perceive things in the normal way (operation table lights or whatever). Still the person could accurately report things that had happened during this period (matching what others, in most cases doctors, had perceived in the normal way). It may be true that, as Neil says, no person could indentify the purposefully created targets, but remembering things they could "normally" not have known serves the same purpose.
@@Stefan1971HH Thanks for your reply. I see at least two problems with this whole approach.
1. As ICUs main purpose is not to conduct physical experiments: it's hard to exclude other ways a patient can get the information. It might be: a plot together with staff and patient is deliberately lying; patient can intuitively guess what was going on in a room; flat EEG might be wrong, accuracy of reported thing is not high enough, etc. Of course OOBE is not excluded but NDE itself can't be a clean proof for it. NDE just may serve as an indicator that something may going on. And here comes the next problem:
2. Repeatability. We can't put a person in a state of clinical death on purpose. It's literally a murder. Thus we can't have some statistics for removing off random factors of patient evidences. This makes NDE to be just the cool stories we can't do much about.
Earlier I tried to google some scientific experiments for OOBE ("astral projection") and non of them had the positive results. If you have some references links then please share, I'll be appreciated.
@@Stefan1971HH And Sam Parnia
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@@tempvoid7680 Given the variety of reported experiences I think it might be harder to repeat scenarios where NDE of some form didn't occur.
OBE NDEs offer the best chance at proving an ongoing consciousness. Anecdotal hearsay evidence isn't scientific, but what wasted intention if we allow science to be judge and jury on a life.
It has potential to answer all of life's questions so why such little support from science to research it?
This man is not only in love with the sound of his own voice, but sadly, like many scientists today, feel like they have the authority to speak on subjects they have zero experience or study in. He should stay in his lane.
And who would be the most experienced in the topic of NDE?
@@src3360 several people, I would recommend Peter Fenwick. He has carried out several ground-breaking studies on NDE's as well as Epilepsy and the foundations of the brain and consciousness.
@@cdb5001
I will look him up 🙏
@@src3360 cheers! Even if you don't agree with his findings, he's still a great speaker and very eloquent. He's a neuroscientist and psychologist, so he comes at the consciousness problem with both behavioural, metaphysical and neuroscience at the base of his analyses.
@@cdb5001
I left a great long comment and it appears to have disappeared.... 😑😑
The inability to scientifically prove something is not a proof of its non existence.
Or existence.
Thank you for saying this. This very thing pisses me off so much. Scientists nowadays use the logic that if science can't explain it then it must not be true. If we always thought like that then how many discoveries would've never happened? We would probably still think that the world is flat.
Ophiel Lox I disagree I don’t think science does that much at all. If you make a claim you have the burden of proof.
Ophiel Lox and science did in fact prove the earth wasn’t flat and so idk what you were going for with that
@@JukeboxWithJay You say that if you make a claim then you have the burden of proof which is exactly why it's not right for scientists to dismiss the possibility of an afterlife. Modern science although advanced still doesn't know how to explain the human consciousness. So how could we possibly know whether or not it persists after death? The answer is that we simply do not know yet so therefore I think it's wrong for scientists to dismiss the idea simply because it doesn't align with our current knowledge of the world.
What I was trying to say with the Earth being flat thing is that for a long time we thought the world was flat and that it could NOT possibly be spherical. If you were to say such a thing you would be called stupid or crazy. In fact some scientists in the past who believed the Earth to be spherical were even mocked for their beliefs... but eventually we were able to prove that the world IS in fact spherical. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people shouldn't be so dismissive of an idea just because it contradicts what we think to be true because in reality every single day offers potential for a new discovery that changes our knowledge of the world and how it works. And who knows maybe one day we will be able to prove (or disprove) the possibility of an afterlife :)
I had a near death experience when I got an F on my report card.
That's crazy 😂
InfamousShinobi me after every test💀
lmao!
A c tho
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
To see him mock human experience where science is still to even approach the hard problem of consciousness is funny. Who knows he might be one day made fun of
Mam but everything we sense and feel is just bcoz of our experience. What we see is not actually true. How can you believe something like life after death? If people had nde that means they haven't died. They just went close to it.
@Terrance Bryant yes, because they’ll be dead.
@@samantharutherford8699 nope alot of people report consciousness while their heart has stopped meaning they were clinically dead. Studys by Dr sam parina show that people could accurately hear conversations that occurred minutes after their heart had stopped. And studys with EEG scans show that around 20 seconds after the heart stops brain activity ceases. Also the brain needs a constant supply of oxygen and blood flow both of which is cut of when the heart stops. So how are these people still conscious? Look up the case of pam reynolds.
There isn’t any doubt that the word "consciousness" baffles most humans, and that is because most of us were indoctrinated from childhood on, to trust in the man-created theology that life (either wonderful, as in eternal bliss … or horrible, as in eternal suffering) “of the self” goes on in a spiritual dimension for eternity. If we were taught from childhood, that it is cells that create material bodies, and that when the cells in bodies of animals, including human animals, die, new vibrant cells, keep the process of life on earth ongoing … we wouldn’t have that urgent need to believe that the self is all important. However, that would be the end of theology … and religion, as we know, is “big business.”
@@junevandermark952 however multiple studies done on near death experiences ( they should really be called brief death experiences) have shown people are still conscious at clinical death a time where the brain is not conscious i wrote a common above about this. Also we didn't start to believe in the supernatural because of religion we believed in the supernatural and then came religion ( we meaning humans as a whole.) Throughout our history we have believed in an afterlife and higher power as if it's coded into us to believe and studying both ape and elephant behaviour show that they to may believe in an higher power so to say we only believe in the supernatural because of religion is false.
I don't think Neil has read nearly enough on the topic before giving those explanations... The "light" part was quite bad
It shows he’s dishonest.
@@tomjones478 Dishonest might be a little strong, but I see your point. I think the suggestion that OR lights are the source of those encountered during an NDE does not align with the research literature.
@@wdwphd He is arrogant and smug. All he does is talk over people that have other opinions. He is a fool because only fools believe everything they say is right. He thinks he is an expert in every field and is therefore equipped to "answer" any and all big questions. That is intellectual dishonesty. This video proves that.
I would no more rely on an astro physicist for near death experience/like after death insights, than I would rely on a chiropractor for architectural advice.
An astrophysicist has taken all the biology classes required to understand. Also, you don't need to be an authority to talk about something, you just need to have a good argument.
@@Gamerad360 which he does not.
@nickolie flippo I'm a PhD. I think I know based on my research of Neil. Have a nice life. And I've read your profile... I can pretty much surmise where you're coming from too.
@nickolie flippo talk about grammar. Holy shit! Have you read your own post?!? Lmao. Lah-whoo- sah-her.
@nickolie flippo you simply accused me of being uneducated and I retorted that I am. Go and have a nice life (pat you on the head)
I had an out-of-body experience I saw my ceiling from 1 inch way then I was able to turn myself around and I saw my body sleeping in my bed if this was a hallucination it was very convincing and I never have hallucinations
Ok
It's unlikely people have just recently started having NDEs, they've always been a thing, but religion got in the way of us finding reasonable explanations before. NDEs were simply assumed to be from a biblical God if they were believed at all. Religion is going away so there will be more research into them and straightforward answers eventually.
The problem with many so-called "intellectuals" nowadays is they think because they are well-read in one area (this man supposedly being physics) makes them are experts in all areas. Its a logical fallacy that derives from pride and arrogance. He is a fool.
@@anarcho-communist11
Now the new religion is science, they're extremely skeptic of anything "paranormal", scientists are afraid to even touch such subject for fear of loosing credibility or their career or ridicule.
That's ur spirit or soul
6:20
He is describing the AWARE STUDY google it. In the study there were about 140 people who were resuscitated and only 3 of them said they had visual experiences. All of those 3 people were outside of the areas where the signs were. It never happened because nobody was resuscitated in the area where the signs were. I have actually read the study ... Tyson did not even read the conclusion of it...
This behavior shows that when mainstream scientist talk about paranormal phenomena they do not really take it seriously and when they say "give us the evidence" they do not really care about the evidence even though evidence exists... thank you.
He would have much more scientific credibility if he actually said "i do not know enough about the phenomena to comment on it."
True, the nigga is cherry picking
The AWARE study hasn't found any statistically significant evidence of O.B.E's being real.
@@Vdji5889gjh you have not even read what i wrote...
@ThePhysics Yes you are correct. It is annoying when they don't deal honestly with evidence or data. No one had an OBE in a research area (in Aware 1) so how could they.
@ThePhysics1234 I like how you're one of the few commenters who address one of Neil's arguments rather than just say how wrong he is.
first step of scientific method is observation. observe a phenomenon without making an assumptions. as an engineer and atheist i believed that near death experience is just a chemical experience in our brain but flat lining for 6 minutes in icu my near death experience is more than a text in placard, I can see my body and everything that is happening around me, I even understand what people are talking about the next room, I even saw my family in waiting waiting area and heard what are they talking about.
Just curious. As an atheist, how do you explain that you (with a non-physical body or your consciousness) were able to leave your body? btw I am an engineer as well.
True story? What happened?
Mad! Sounds like a re conflict of expereince and world view? You Flat lines and saw all that, did you ask the people in the opposite room and your family to verify the details seen in your expereince?
Okay, you're like a bug 🐛...when you die, that's it! Except the bug will be reincarnated!
If u are atheist, it means you are really Stupid.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool” - William Shakespeare.
Where’s your PhD smart guy
@@BrutalGranny left at yo mum’s house, my bad
@@BrutalGrannyphd's are about contemporary certified knowledge, not wisdom.
More to heaven and earth than can be dreamt of in your philosophy
That saying came way before Shakespeare. Aka the Bible
I think one thing so compelling about near death experiences is the commonality between all of them. It’s one thing if someone has a subjective personal experience with an NDE. It’s another when thousands of them have the same things happen within a great deal of them. I don’t think Neil Degrasse Tyson has looked into this too deeply. I don’t think science has to a great extent either.
Well said.
Maybe because all human brains are similar so I’ll expect it. To release the same thing as other humans maybe like I said sum we’ll prob nvr know
@@roloduarte3100 prob because our brains are similar ever thought of that it releases the same things during death but aye we will nvr know
@@disturbedvelo7199 yes but environment and genetics also play a big role. This “white light” in a tunnel and seeing heaven/dead relatives is mostly related to Abrahamic religions. Hindu does not believe this, to my knowledge, but many Hindu believers did experienced this. What I found most interesting was blind people, especially the ones born with blindness. They never saw anything in there life nor do I expect learned about any Abrahamic religions. Yet many had an out of body experience with the ability to see, for the first time in there life. Note, people born with blindness cannot dream like us, some of us dream every week, but they never dream. This proves that’s NDEs aren’t dreams nor dream chemicals reacting. Nor is there a reason for the brain to release chemicals. Our body always has a reason for every function. Why acid in our stomach? Digest food. Why sweat? Cool is down. Why hormones get release in puberty? We are ready to mate. But there’s no reason for releasing chemicals during a ND event, maybe to relax the person so chances of surviving increases, but by that logic we would see many people being calm and cooperative in stressful situations, like a snake bite (without prior knowledge or training on what to do). And in most NDE patients, they survive only in the interference of hospitals. Also many had these during a scheduled surgery.
And I am not getting this from some conspiracy site, this was from a research paper where multiple blind people explained what happened. I don’t think they will lie either, there’s nothing to gain, and most of their responds were proven by the doctors they had.
A lack of proof is not proof something doesn’t exist. Neil should know this better than anyone.
My maternal grandparents first born son died when he was not even a year old. When my mom was a child she shared the same bed with my grandmother. One night my grandmother shook my mom awake. At the footend of the bed stood a young boy. He was dressed in a sailor suit, happy, joyful and giggling and the entire time looking at my grandmother. He was emitting rays of light. He started to fade away and then completely disappeared. This happened almost 70 years ago but my mom remembers it vividely.
The problem with many so-called "intellectuals" nowadays is they think because they are well-read in one area (this man supposedly being physics) makes them are experts in all areas. Its a logical fallacy that derives from pride and arrogance. He is a fool.
Beautuful! Thank you for sharing.
Don't you just love people who think they know everything?
He needs to learn how to shut up. He should talk about the wonderful science experiences of closing your big fat mouth.
*"people who think they know everything?"* That is not something I have heard Neil claim. He knows more than most, but not everything.
Know everything? Just bc he calls out the "ooooh I saw god when I died" bs?
Sounds like religious people to me.
Is he shaking your fragile faith?
It's so amazing how we see through our own exclusive lense of our own proprietary perspective
Dumb
The problem with many so-called "intellectuals" nowadays is they think because they are well-read in one area (this man supposedly being physics) makes them are experts in all areas. Its a logical fallacy that derives from pride and arrogance. He is a fool.
"I didn't know that"... probably the truest acknowledgement of Neil deGrasse (at least, on the NDE context but I would also 'guess'; not only).
Scientists cant even figure out how consciousness even arrived on this planet so how can they talk about what happens to it upon death? Its true that most of us dont have any recollection about our consciousness before this lifetime but we also dont have any recollection about the dreams we had last night when we were sleeping. According to that same logic we also didnt exist before last night's dream.
Consciousness arrived on the planet because a bunch of weirdo's said "here's religion". Just because we dont have a full understanding of the brain, it doesn't make every "wtf was that?" moment something supernatural. The issue Scientists have is that it's easier for people to just say "Must be ghosts" or ""must be aliens" than it is to just blindly assume you have the answer. For a believer, random experience is proof. for a Scientist, data and ACTUAL proof is proof. Two very different ways of thinking.
I used to admire Neil deGrasse Tyson very much, but acting like a Guru that has the answers for questions that are not from his field is not an adequate posture in my opinion.
There are serious medical scientists investigating NDEs and instead of mocking them, Tyson should be engaged in discovering the nature of dark matter, dark energy and other mysteries of his field, which we're all very curious to know
Well, they asked him what he personally thought of a specific circumstance (in this case, NDE.). What is he supposed to do? Shrug and say he has no opinion?
@Leandro At what point did he act ''like a Guru'' or like having ''all the answers'' to this question that, admittedly does not pertain solely (but does so in part) to his field? If anything, I thought it was clear he didn't explicitly discount the possibility that NDE are 'valid'. As a matter of fact, he acknowledged their relative validity and veracity on the personal level. He then went on to describe the scientific process and thus explain why it is hard, for this moment in time, to gauge these experiences, since there hasn't been discovered a device that can objectively monitor and record what transpires when people enter that 'state'.
@@jonathanwellington9565 Well observed Jonathan. I see your point
Nigga humans and basically LIFE rotates around science, he knows basically all platforms of sciemce and the way the body works since its simple science
@@leandrosilvagoncalves1939 Delusional.
Neil deGrasse is the last human on the planet I'd listen to on this subject.
Hes just another scientist who espouse that philosophy is dead/worthless, and than use that to justify their horrendous philosophy. It's such a grift.
@@carstontoedter1333 Well said
@@carstontoedter1333 theist mad.
@@shelbyjunior1388 you can't genuinely believe that the only two worldviews are theism or scientism?
@@carstontoedter1333 the only method that is worldwide known to reveal truths is science.
What you believe, becomes true for you.
No, it does not.
DAVID FRANKLIN, people in Russia who aren’t even taught who Jesus is are seeing Jesus . Atheists see heaven and hell. Islam’s see Jesus in heaven and Mohammed in hell.
I rest my case.
He gonna turn into an atom when he dies lol.
STFU with stupid statements like this
NeverTalkToCops1 yes it does.. your ego is just in the way... remove your ego and you’re not a person you’re a floating thought that has a body of an evolved species that is able to recognize itself as a, “human.”
I don’t understand anyone in the comment section who is saying derogatory things about him when his whole point was just that scientists need recorded or measured scientific evidence and not just one’s word.
Dismissing the hypothesis for the lack of evidence is also unscientific because all hypotheses start with observation which is subjective by nature, and what an observation this is when it is repeated in every community on earth time and time again. Him giving it an explanation which he deems the only rational one (which again is unscientific) is dogmatic.
@@jackdavids2723who dismissed anyone’s hypothesis? he just says to prove something in science you need recorded or measured scientific evidence. 🤷🏽♂️
It's because they feel their beliefs are being attacked... Most people would rather hold a belief, which makes them feel good than accept a truth/fact that paints a grimmer picture.
@@derrickbronson3099Did you watch the full video? He is clearly trying to denigrate the work of so many scientists that have worked really hard to study this phenomena. He didn't even come close to addressing the most compelling aspects of NDEs. The people that study this phenomena are scientists and doctors, not priests or pastors so I don't even know why he is giving a lecture about how science works. But he got that part wrong too because scientific theories are not infallible. They evolve based on new evidence that come from new observations which in this case are thousands if not millions of cases of very similar NDEs from around the world. Pretending like this isn't happening is not being scientific.
It's because a lot of us have studied up on the subject and know that a lot of the things he said are completely misinformed statements.
Wait, he doesn't know that people with no pulse or brain activity have had vivid experiences with higher perception than normal ? That's the thing that no one has been able to explain.
People don't "return" after the brain has stopped functioning...never has happened.
@@randycooper3940 ua-cam.com/video/J_qBIw7qyHU/v-deo.html
@@randycooper3940uhhh..
@@acsangiorgioItalia If you have something to say ...say it.
@@acsangiorgioItalia Do what I just did ..took every bit of 20 seconds: google search .."braindead recovery". Here ..I'll help: 1st article reads: "Sadly, no one has ever recovered from being braindead." So ......?
I stopped listening to certain scientist after my sister saw our great grandmother whom lived 12+hrs from us that we rarely talked to and get sister that died in the 80s prior to my sisters coma in the 90s. Why would she see these 2 perfectly staring at her saying "You aren't ready to be here yet " and she wakes up after 3 months in a coma. The doc wanted to pull the plug but my mom prolonged it. Thank goodness. NDEs are realer than dreams because they are real. Just think about how everything on earth is perfect from correct temperatures, to food that's compatible for all living beings to eat that actually grows. There are different dimensions for sure, and we will never get the true answers until we reach the other side.
Earth is not perfect lol. Explain why there have been multiple mass extinctions due to natural environmental changes, such as the ice age or cyanobacteria altering the atmosphere so much that it wiped out almost all previously existing organisms.
There are entire locations on Earth that are practically uninhabitable except for a few extremophiles that evolved to avoid competition or fill in niches in small ecosystems.
As for food, it's literally just because we're all made of the same stuff. We evolved to take energy from our environment/other life forms.
With that said, do you actually think vegetables and animals were just always perfectly available for you to eat? Animals were bred to be plentiful for human consumption. Most domestic plant-based foods were MUCH different, and far less nutritious, many years ago. We had to selectively breed those to actually be worth eating. There's a reason why the human lifespan practically tripled between now and our arrival in nature. It's because WE made the environment better for ourselves (and consequently, we're ruining it).
I won't speak on your anecdotes, but when you claim things like the Earth being made for us, you're just objectively wrong.
@@muntu1221 Where we are inhabited, it actually is perfect for us, and the places where it isn't is simply the reason we aren't living in those specific areas. It's that simple.
Land isn't habitable for the majority of sea creatures, but the ocean is perfect for them minus homosapien intrusion, so further explanation isn't needed, as this is common sense. This alone defeats your argument.
Mass extinction has many myths, but at the same time it's just intelligent design by the universe which is a way for the next species to exist, as perhaps the predecessor cannot coexist with the successor. E.G. Dinosaurs & Humans.
As far as food is concerned you are so wrong on many levels. You mention crossbreeding, but we call those "hybrids" which aren't good for human consumption. For example school, and food pyramids still advertise broccoli, cauliflower, etc as healthy, but those are NOT good for the body. You will not find broccoli being grown in nature. The same can be said for carrots. Fruits without seeds are hybrids as well. If it doesn't have seeds DON'T EAT IT.
@@MisterUrbanWorld I did NOT mention cross breeding. I mentioned SELECTIVE breeding. Almost ALL domestic vegetables and fruits have been selectively bred for human consumption. They is verifiable and you can look it up.
Also, hybrid foods are not bad for you.
Ignoring your sea creature rant, which greatly ignores a bunch of facts about aquatic life, most places humans live in now were, again, made to suit us. Notice how we have things like air conditioning, heaters, freezers, clothing, houses, etc.? You _do_ know why those things exist, right? Ever wonder why we farm, irrigate, or create sewer systems? Ever think about how some places humans live wouldn't have been possible without domesticating specific animals? Ever consider that it was only recently that we stopped dying from disease as often? What about natural disasters? Animal attacks? How about being poisoned by our _drinking water_?
You're just going to ignore that almost all of human history was us fighting against nature to survive? And then you say the ocean was poisoned by humans, ignoring the chain of events that lead us to that point.
And I'm not talking about mass extinction myths. I'm talking mass extinctions that have normal, environmental reasons for occurring that can be traced back and put into a neat time-line.
We exist alongside dinosaurs today. Birds are the descendents of certain dinosaurs that survived the mass extinction. Also, if Earth was perfect, why would it need to be repeatedly culled to make way for new species?
It's simple. Sometimes, a lot of things just die off because of certain factors, then something that was able to survive has the opportunity to breed exponentially and will, eventually, become better adapted to the environment as they evolve into new species. This is a verifiable, scientific fact.
The fact that we have working models for these things while you're still saying "maybe this, maybe that" just shows that you _want_ to believe Earth is perfectly designed with you in mind and have no way of determining that outside of arguments from ignorance.
I don't understand what you mean by "Earth is perfect "
why 70% of the surface area of Earth it's seas and oceans we can live only on the remaining 30% , can you breath under water ? so I don't understand God's plan with creating all of this salty oceans
On this 30% of the Earth's surface
we live only on 3% of Land area the rest 27% is a waste of existence
why there's a massive desert and
Ice lands if we can't live on them , those places with extreme conditions in which no life can exist , if you think that earth is perfect try to leave cities to a forest and you won't survive two weeks
so either there no design therefore no God or there's a stupid God .
@@muntu1221
naah God always has a plan
and because our minds are limited
we can't understand why Every 4 minutes ½ a baby is born with a birth defect in the United States. That means nearly 120,000 babies are affected by birth defects ,
sure God have a plan
see earth is perfect , hhhh 🤣
If a person was on the operating table and came back the next day to say exactly what was going on in the next room, that would be an objective truth. It would be more than eyewitness testimony. This is just one example of many.
How many times has that happened? One issue respectively one would expect NDErs would wish to stay anonymous. So fake stories can easily be created.
Says the man who has it all figured out
Dory Deviance facts lol
Well, when you have 10s of thousands of people from all walks of life with very similar accounts you can't just look away from that kind of evidence! Just 1 person with a credible background and story will hold up in the courts. It'd be like asking someone that said they love you too prove it with physical evidence lol.
@Being A Cutie
Actually more people has had the same vision about Hitler in hell
And not just all walks of life, but in all cultures and time periods going all the way back to the ancients who recorded both NDEs and past lives.
There are also well documented cases where the person, upon waking, reports facts (verifiable) they had no way of knowing in regular waking life.
The evidence is not just anecdotal. As resucitative medicine gets better, the lines between life and death are blurring more and more. Our first big leap in this area (reversing cardiac arrest) in the 60s is when we saw our first big surge of reported cases of NDEs, which Raymond Moody then wrote about.
It's not proof - I don't know that we can get that or that we're ready for it. But the evidence that consciousness continues after bodily death is piling up and is being rigorously investigated and carefully documented by respected scientists (of all kinds, but especially physicists), medical professionals in the specialties of cardiology and anesthesiology, medical researchers in all fields, investigative journalists, spiritual thinkers, philosophers, and more.
Yah, there's something going on here.
But in america people mostly report seeing jesus,heaven,hell. But in india they report hindu gods and beliefs from their religion. This is said by people who claim that nde are real. For me that is evidence against it. If there was an afterlife it would be logical all of the people would go through the same procedure. Like it makes no sense one person goes to heaven and meet jesus and someone meets muhammad. Same is for tunnels, lights. Our mind just act out things we believe will happen. They claim we see what we believe because apparently it is more comfortable to us. That makes no sense. And if we do reincarnate then it would only make sense if you remember your past lifes. Otherwise it's pointless. And we already know that human personality is mixture of genetics and environment. So it's clear we come to this world blank without previous life experience.
@@igor6815 most ndes are very similar. only thing different is the interpretation. according to raymond moody. who a researcher in this field. most are very similar. a tunnel with a light at the end. comfortable feelings. and sometimes loved ones are seen. only thing that made people differ in what they saw is how they explained it. raymond says that almost all patients saw a sort of light. some of them thought tha light to be buddha , others god, others jesus. so basically the very experiences are very similar yet what they interpreted that mysterious soothing light differed
@@igor6815 Not true even as a newborn I could read english and send emails on the computer moreover I knew my mm dd yyyy and about astrology reincarnation etc
Just listened to him discussing potential further dimensions inaccessible to us, how limited we are. About not knowing what we don't know or even beginning to grasp what questions to ask. This seems to be coming from a very different attitude and approach.
Very good comment! It's becoming pretty accepted in the scientific community that there are other universes/dimensions. That very well could have to do with where souls or consciousness go or where they originate from.
@@Me-wk3ix You can't do that in reasoning. It's a confirmation bias. It's like saying "we don't know how the world looks across the whole electromagnetic spectrum thus angels exist in them and we would be able to see them if we had access to it from our eyes" -> This is actually a similiar argument-if you said that in a science conference you would be told to back that up with data. Why? You have used the religious theological statements like souls and consciousness and used another variable like multiverses and packed them together because it sounds convenient for you and makes logical sense. Logical sense does not prove something exists. Evidence precedes logic. Logic is subjective. We use logic to understand the world but based on the evidence. What evidence do you have that souls and consciousness exist (consciousness exists but the way ur describing it) and what evidence do you have those other dimensions are a destination for souls? These are 2 COMPLETELY different variables you have clumped all together. Why? Bias because you have made a logical connection but that logical connection does not mean or should even make me believe it's correct. It's a bias because you believe in one thought and have focused on restructuring how everything fits that thought. It's like negativity bias when people are very anxious all they think about is the worry. What you are suggesting is completely false methodology of reasoning even if souls and consciousness existed like you mention. Because those multiverses there is no evidence yet exist and 2.) are a destination for us.
Because regarding NDE's he exhibits fundamentalist behavior.
@@kenkaplan3654 nde has already been debunked ,subjects werent able to read letters placed above them. if it was real they would be able to but they didnt. so its just in their mind
@@businessmanager7670 Keep on believing that.
The problem is we can't quantify, verify and further test experiences but then again that's the only data that we have. NDE is silly to dismiss though.
Wendell Solis i agree. Right there is a fair answer.
Why can't we test experiences? Experimental psychologist do this all the time.
We have studies that prove that people do rise out of there body when they die. This proves a soul. And then those souls come back and proclaim Jesus. That’s not a coincidence.
Nathan S probably cause they were Christians
Test it with people of other religions and you’ll see them proclaim some other god
Paradise Lord Ryū, that’s funny because Muslims are seeing Jesus. Buddhist priests are seeing Jesus. Atheists are seeing Jesus.
But why are so many peoples 'describing heaven' at all? If it's merely hallucination your brain can hallucinate ANYTHING, yet near death experiences consistently report similarly themed scenarios that describe conditions of life after death. If it was hallucination the experiences would surely be as random as dreams? why are so many people reporting meeting dead relatives and personalities from religious traditions, having life reviews, experiencing expanded consciousness and learning similar lessons?
Your brain I beleive uses comforting memories/scenarios to protect you from a violent or unexpected situation friend. What is interesting is this is not just unique to humans but many animals seem to fall into some kind of catatonic state once predated upon, they just trance out in some cases, if your a frog and a snake has just coiled you, some may not put up any resistance and resign themselves to the fate, I believe the phenomena exists as some kind of mental protection which probably evolved from when we were living in the savannah being attacked by lions.
@@dixongecko8018 I don't quite understand? We're you commenting on my message Dixon gecko?
@@dixongecko8018 The state of shock to which you refer is not similar to the NDE experience. Animals and humans go into shock. The heart still beats and the brain still functions. There are no heart beat and no brain waves during an NDE. Look up Eben Alexander for a very interesting perspective.
Lol no one can nor will be able to answer this. All Neil himself can do is LAUGH OFF the unbelievably SERIOUS STORY TOLD TO HIM BY HIS OWN *(Stable)* FAMILY MEMBER! God is so patient... It's a shame we're so cynical and foolish. I pray for Neil.
Oh you believe in fairies nice I guess your waiting for Santa because you were told so good job 👍
There is a documentary, on here somewhere. It analyzed NDE and found for the religious, whatever entity they believed in, whatever path was they learned, etc their NDE mirrored that. Hindu, Buddhist, southern Baptist, whatever.... they were all the same. Very interesting observations.
One girl saw santa clause for fucks sake yet peole, so ehlw thinm this is accuarte
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@@src3360 appears so lmao
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Chew 2 aspirins call 911 or 919 lol
@@src3360 good tips mate
Dont forget he is a physician. He never went in a surgery room and barely come across this subject. He doesnt really qualify for this questions
I hate people who talk about things they don't understand at all, just because they're qualified to talk about something else they probably understand
@Daniel Paulson oh wow. Didnt even said anything about what is right ot wrong but because I dared question dady Neil someone's safe speace has been breached am I right?
@Daniel Paulson no trigger really. I saw you just simping for dady Neil. "People stupid if they question"
@Daniel Paulson isnt this question hypocritical?
@Daniel Paulson good you responded you own question then 👌. I amnalowed to say what I want and its ok just like you.
Ok so explain consciousness with science, if you can’t, does it mean it is just something we make up?
humanity made up words and humanity gave the meaning that correspond to the words so it is not only knowing what conciousness means and for scientists to find out what it is, but how conciousness behaves And what it is are neurologic signal transmitters going all over your mind Basically, and i am not a scientist but i know that much, thanks to Psychology lectures. The mind It is very complicated by its complexity but just because "scientist" can't figure out how consciousness works YET, it does not mean that it doesn't exist. Consciousness exists and it is not something that "we make up" :) take for example Dark matter, Dark matter it is there because it can be mathematically proven but where to find it is the real Hard question to answer. hope i made my self simply to understand.
science will never find the real truth
What is consciousness really?
We already have some good theory’s on consciousness. It’s not a complete mystery.
@@Pinkielover at least it is actually trying to find the truth instead of just making up a story that sounds nice
Now if Tyson had a near death experience, he'd be like "hey, how come nobody believes me!"
Wow, you didn’t even watch the video?
What value is personal testimony in the realm of science?
@@moonshoes11 why would someone lie for it.
@@darksideoftheforce7801
Having an experience, and drawing conclusions about that experience are two different things.
Right?
Tyson knows this.
No, he would try and make sense of it rationally.
@@darksideoftheforce7801
Many people believe in ludicrous things such as ghosts. We need evidence.
Use to find him entertaining and interesting , the more I see now he just comes across as a smart arse when talking about things outside his field of knowledge
@Oskar Verheul Pretty basic bitch uninteresting arguments, tbh. I don't know who is impressed by him
@Oskar Verheul eye witnesses are subjective because the one who witnessed might be lying. And sometimes hallucinating. But when a certain event is witnessed by many from across the globe. And its description is similar between most of them. Its not really subjective. Amd the difference between people describing ndes was mainly in their interpretations of what they saw. For example the light at the end of a tunnel is similar in all cases. But christians who had ndes sometimes say its jesus, muslims might claim its god. Buddhists may say buddha.not because they saw something different but because their interpretation is different. Its like when you hear gunshot sounds. One of your friends say its a semi auto gun , the only claims its a rifle shooting slowly. They wont know what it is untill they see it. But its there. And they heard the same sound. None of them knows what gun it is because they never heard it so each one interprets differently but its the same voice
@Oskar Verheulpeople dont see different things. They interpret what they see differently. Its like seeing a light in a dark forest. Someone says its a car that has 1 light active because there is a problem with the other lamp. The other says its a bycicle lamp, and the third says its a motorbike but its the same light. As with the small differences in the experiencers' descriptions. There ought to be some differences. Because people describe things differently due to the fact that they are different people with deffirent languages. And most of them descrube it as something that is not possible to be explained by words, which would give another reason for their different description of some of the things they saw as they want to explain but cant find the words that convey the exact meaning.
Not to mention that people did different things in thier lives. Therefore they are different. And assuming that these experiences offer a glance at the after life as hypothesized by some. Its possible that they saw different details because their ranks are different(good, bad...), as long as the main structure of the experience is similar among most(as some percentage might be lying, not a high one but there diffenetly are some people who do lie.), just like in this world. Everyone feels the heat of the sun, some people feel its effects more than others. But the sun itself is the same sun. Amd the people live in different circumstances and see different things.
It cant be yet an objective truth, true but its not exactly subjective.
Edit : about your dying brain point, people who say that ndes may show glimpses of the afterlife claim that its because people with dying brains are at the threshold of death. Those same people believe in the existence of the soul and that the brain is the tool for perception only in this world. And thst the spirit is what survives to the afterlife and is able to perceive without the help of the brain. Therefore if they saw glimpses of the afterlife they would do so as their spirits. Which might explain why they remember. And why it is plausible for them to have gathered correct information even while their brains are oxygen deprived
I believe when you have tens if not hundreds of thousands of witness accounts and verified information from highly skilled and informed physicians and surgeons, with knowledge gained outside of what is deemed scientifically possible , that is probably worth having a open mind about. The evidence for the real nature of NDEs is what you would call conclusive. Just as the earth was theorized to be an oblate spheroid before it was proven. Modern day science is not forward looking in respects to consciousness or many other areas deemed to be out of the scope of science.
I guess the message he tried to send people some blind some ignorant some lost their "curiosity" is : im not here to trample your experience all im saying is, scientifically it is useless, it cant be objective truth if it is not proven scientifically meaning it may have happened but people cant believe unless its 100% proven by science. That would be amazing.
And about he coming across smart arse: maybe its just you. Peace✌️
I had a shared death experience and others have as well. You cannot say it was from lack of oxygen because I wasn’t the one dying.
He’s just going along with the whole agenda of the Scientific Community and all the Academics who truly believe they’re the crescendo of every specimen of Human gnosis; so yeah, he has to go along with their protocol of belief and conduct - he’s got to basically deny all Faith-based beliefs and even become Atheistic.
Can you tell us about it, please? I really want to believe that there's something more than this life.
Please tell me I’m afraid I’ll never see my son again when I die he’s 2 now I’m 20 but still ):
@@Fang-dr3bk ...Some parts are hard to explain, but here it goes.
On June 13, 2020 my father passed away. At the time of his passing, I did not know he was dying and I lived about 200 miles away. I was working in my backyard...pushing a wheelbarrow. I recall looking at the blue sky and feeling the summer day and feeling joy sweep through me. I said, “what a beautiful summer day”. I think this is when the experience started. But when it all happened, I never felt as if anything was off or out of place. I was never afraid. Never felt fear.
But at some point my backyard was stretched out, my father was standing in my backyard, under our maple tree, with his back facing me. I think that I thought it was my husband at first. I was standing about 5 feet away but it appeared about 70 feet away. My yard stretched out. I was looking and was about to yell at him..”What are you doing over there”. But I didn’t. I saw a light coming in on his left side slowly come in. It was soft and white...it shimmered and had colorful hues. I just stood there and said to myself, “wow...thats beautiful. I wish I had a camera”. Then I saw an arm stretch out from inside this light and touch the back of his shoulder. It was as if this world had opened up by a seam and an arm reached in our world. When it touched him, there was a twinkle or sparkle...like a star.
At that moment I felt an intense wave of love in my heart...so much so that it caused my heart to physically feel it. It was also on my left side. It was so intense, My head was kinda tilted in my left shoulder. This light was actually coming off of a being made of light but I only saw the arm. At the same moment of feeling this intense wave of love, I heard a voice from inside me say, “I love him”. I responded, “I would never say that”. I know my response was an odd response, but I did not know this kind of love. It was a telepathic communication. My soul was bare. But if I could compare it to any kind of love I know, it was similar to the love and joy I felt when I gave birth to my children. You know that feeling when you hold that newborn baby and the whole world can be crazy ...but you’re inside this bubble of love. So there was a parental nature that I was familiar with, but this love was so much more intense.
I recall starring at this light and seeing something gold-like inside it...and as if by thought I moved into some other place. It was as if I was standing inside a sphere or white static like energy and it had 3 movie like screens. The two screens on my sides were blotted out and the screen in front was playing a movie that felt like a memory. My father in that movie and was a young man walking towards an old house. It felt like a picnic. I heard people laughing joyously and I heard a child giggling.
All this happened while my physical body was still pushing the wheelbarrow through the yard. When i put the wheelbarrow down, my physical vision was being blotted back in and I felt a sensation like soft sand being poured behind my eyes. Not in a painful way. But I think my spirit left my body and it was coming back in.
I just sat on my patio for a few minutes...saying to myself ...”what happened....something just happened.”. my thoughts kept saying, if my husband is on the lower patio, who is standing under the tree? But my yard was back to normal...no longer stretched out and no one was there anymore.
As you can imagine, my life has not been the same since. But what I know is that we are not our bodies. We are a part of something much greater and we are loved in ways that we cannot even imagine.
I have no explanation for how this happened to me. I don’t practice anything dark and I think I am a relatively nice person. I don’t do drugs nor was I drinking. I know it all sounds fantastical. But it happened...and I wasn’t the person dying. My fathers died in Tennessee and yet there he was standing in my back yard.
I am 100% certain that life continues and that we will be with those we love again. I think being human is just an experience. But certainly I am now left with more questions than answers.
Hugs and love to you in this life’s journey.
@@GeistInTheMachine ...I typed up my experience below in response to Blair’s question. But yes...I can say with confidence that life continues on. I am 100% certain that we continue and that we are all part of something much greater.
morals,i always remember a aboriginal life skills coach said to me'nobody can read another persons mind we can only sense what they are thinking'
its crazy how a smart man can simplify something so complicated but also not do it justice at all, almost a bit disrespectful to many people out there who have have NDE's
He's overrated
Exactly. I absolutely agree with you.
Also the thing is NDT is a paid shill, he doesn't spread truth.
How come no one has ever had a NDE and recalled something that no human being ever knew? Why is it always the same garbage?
NDE's are as real as alien abductions....it's all BS.
@@billwright8649 are you that afraid of truth dude? 😂 Because only a person who is in extreme denial would say what you said. It's time to relearn EVERYTHING about existence my friend, your hero scientists have lied to you about A LOT of things
This guy talking like he knows everything.. He is not even from this field of science btw..
And yea.. please ask him to explain consciousness.. I'm sure he made it..
Still he did more research on this than you've ever done in your life. Nobody can explain consciousness, are you stupid or trying to be funny? why would he be able to explain something that as far as we know may never be explained?
@@martbarnav1787 when we talk about life.. it's all about consciousness.. and he doesn't know shit about it.. so u better shut up..
@@techtube3311 Nobody knows, do you know how to read? What you said had nothing to do with my reply.
@@techtube3311 Delusional
NDT has made ground breaking discoveries of his own ...... NOT sure acts like it though !
What about instances where people are unconscious on an operating table. Doctor’s have pronounced them dead and they miraculously can tell you who was in the operating room, what they were wearing, what they said, describe specific actions the doctor’s took, can tell the doctor the thoughts they were thinking that they ever even said to anyone!
So that means the Doctor was wrong. As simple as that.
They briefly came out of the anesthesia just enough to hear and or see things around them.
So how do the replies hear explain the thoughts and the things the person saw across town at their sisters house.
@@dertechl6628 Who are you responding to? You clearly didn’t read and explain anything I asked.
@@dertechl6628 Their consciousness leaves the room and can tell you what the guy across the street ordered for lunch and your conclusion is the doctor was unaware the person was able to leave and take a a walk to mcdonalds while they are being operated on?
What about an NDE that includes an OBE and the experiencer observes and reports on verifiable events and physical activities in the room or elsewhere they couldn't possibly have been aware of?
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Would be very interesting to see Neil and Peter Fenwick debate.
Fenwick would show that Tyson is completely out of his element and talking out of his ass as usual.
Imagine you’re dying, this is your life you are leaving behind. It’s a momentous occasion. And imagine somehow you float above your body. You feel peace and love. It’s the most sublime experience of your life. Now you see a note that has a message on it. “85463” it says. Would you care to look and remember? Or would you be deep in your experience and recollecting your life’s top moments? That skeptics experiment sounds totally bonkers to me 😝
classic ending ... "if a dead person sits up and started talking to me, ooooohhhh my God"
The validation of perception in NDEs has already taken place - of course not enough for technical scientific reasons, but it has. And we do not always have to wait for the last technical proof. Through NDEs we can see with high certainty, that consciousness is not dependent on the body.
That might be true, but the argument he is trying to make is that anecdotes are a poor form of evidence and he has a valid argument.
@@user-dc4bl1cu2k If you see a tree catch fire from lightning, your testimony tells of a story of a fact that trees can catch fire if struck by lightning. Should we just ignore that fact since you only "saw it with your eyes"?"
I know a real estate agent who had a NDE, and it was real to her, and also a well known physician who even wrote books about his own NDE. So anyone can have an NDE no matter the background, even you Neil.
I don't think that Neil is disregarding the existence of those experiences, he's just saying that there's probably a reasonable explanation that doesn't involve mysticism
Then ask him what next when one fails to find a reasonable explanation?
He says these experiences dont happen because we cant measure them, We cant measure what happens on planets millions of light years away yet they are still there right? Just because we cant measure something or scientifically prove something doesnt mean there isnt truth to it.
The only reason we know those planets exist is because of physical measurements.
We can see them through telescopes, but how do we know that they are there?? Same for NDEs right? Considering eye witness accounts are a poor form of evidence as stated in this video?!?!?!
Martin Nicholls Eye witness testimony is obviously not of the same value as photographic evidence.
Astronomic observations are documented and reviewed in scientific journals, completely different from personal anecdotes.
The hard problem here for scientist is actually to prove metaphysical things, like for example Math. You can never use the scientific method to prove that math is real or even try measure it. If all things of the universe or the world was not there, would that mean that math would not exist also? According to science everything that cant be measured is by default not real, but that is not true. You can not explain how chemistry became biology, or how we got a rational being from a irrational thing and etc.. another thing is conciousness itself, you cant use the scientific method to prove if it real, that is like using conciousness to prove conciouness..
@@SejSaaChannel "The hard problem here for scientist is actually to prove metaphysical things, like for example Math."
Math is not a metaphysical thing. It is a system of abstractions that describes patterns of interaction based on what we've observed in reality.
"You can never use the scientific method to prove that math is real or even try measure it."
Math itself is a tool that we use to measure things, a highly effective one but not the only one, and is used by the scientific method.
"If all things of the universe or the world was not there, would that mean that math would not exist also?"
That may be the case, yes. Because in that case there is nothing to abstract from. What's more, we could imagine a different universe where math works differently.
"According to science everything that cant be measured is by default not real."
This is not at all true, where do you get this information from? During my science graduate programme, we actually had a year-long course about scientific research methods and the different paradigms of knowledge, and I can say that your claim ("everything that can't be measured is not real") is an extreme mockery of what the scientific method stands for.
Now, the power of the scientific method is that it allows you to construct formal ways to investigate phenomena, which do involve recording, experimentation, measurement, and interpretation, all the while trying to remove bias as much as possible. If something cannot be observed (in any way), then it is difficult if not impossible to say anything about it with confidence, as there literally is no reliable way of getting this knowledge.
"You can not explain how chemistry became biology"
This is also not true. As with anything, we explain things by other things we know, and based on the new things we observe to happen in reality. Science does allow us to experiment and observe chemical reactions, and by doing so it builds a body of knowledge of how chemistry works. There have already been scientific experiments that managed to observe chemical reactions that obtained organic molecules from inorganic chemical compounds (for example the Miller-Urey experiment). At this point we have not found out how life started on Earth, if that's what you're referring to, but the only reliable way to investigate this is still by using science.
"or how we got a rational being from a irrational thing"
But this has been discovered and explained by biologists, which is the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection. We also know alot about how humans develop from irrational things as babies to rational beings as adults, and Neurology has made great strides in discovering many ways in which our brains function.
"another thing is conciousness itself, you cant use the scientific method to prove if it real, that is like using conciousness to prove conciouness"
This is silly though. We are still investigating consciousness, and we have a rough understanding of it (e.g. we can tell when someone is conscious or unconscious, or how various substances like alcohol or drugs affect our state of consciousness). We learn more and more about ourselves and about the world around us, but the most reliable way to do so is again by using the scientific method.
I don't see what else we could use to find out what is real - can you propose anything else?
That's an honest opinion from a scientist who has focused on lab reports. However, if he looked at the science behind near death events, the studies conducted by Dr. Bruce Greyson at the University of Virginia, or the AWARE project by Dr. Sam Parnia over a ten year period, he'd find that there is a body of data regarding near death events that is not only anecdotal, or eyewitness reports. Further, in the ten years that I've been filming people under deep hypnosis (45 to date and have examined thousand sof cases from Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton) I've found that people who have near death events often remember "new information" - they learn details during their near death event that was not available to them prior, they learn about or meet people that they did not know during their lifetime, could not have known, never met, yet return with accurate information about how they died, when they died, etc. I don't begrudge Neil from his opinion, belief or theory about near death events - all I can say is that when he examines the evidence that was gathered using scientific methods (not mine, but those cited above) he may come to the same conclusions that Giordano did when he had his out of body experience and came back to report it to his colleagues (and was burned at the stake for it.) Either it's accurate, or its not. There's no point in arguing accuracy of eyewitness accounts when the science is peer reviewed and published as such. (see UVA's DOPS program for cites in this area). med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/
I agree with you. I have one thing to say, I'd love to see him refute " The case of Pam Remolds.'
He is looking at the science, and he's looking at it objectively.
PS What does the peer review process to do eye witness accounts? You can't replicate a person's experience, another person could also see bright lights but that's not replicating the experience of person A.
I hate to break it to you but the link you posted was nothing more than there request for job applications.
@@shroomer8294 anyone can search the same DOPS UVA EDU
You're talking pseudo science a
"A man who belives that what he doesnt know is untrue wears a hat of ignorance"
Question which of these sound more absurd: Consciousness exists after death of the body or an entire universe with all the correct ingredients for life appears due to an explosion out of nothing?
The second notion sounds more absurd, for sure.
@@MysticMaverick3527 I agree but if you tell people that consciousness exists non locally they think you are mad, but you are not seen as mad to believe in the big bang theory.....
@@beefy32 It goes beyond their realm of understanding because all they know and see is this physical existence. But there truly is so much more.
Have you seen this video?
ua-cam.com/video/jVRr39knLZs/v-deo.html
@akshay satish Errrr did you misread what I wrote. I am saying the big bang is bull shit! Why are you calling me stupid, maybe look in the mirror!
@akshay satish Hey no worries :) At least I am on your page of thinking.
Neil is right, eye witness testimony is unreliable. However my subjective experience of driving a car is that I would rather rely on my subjective experience of seeing a truck coming around a roundabout than ignoring it. You can't measure love, there is no equation for the grief of losing a loved one. But on balance I rather think the joy and pain of those experiences is real no matter that they are both subjective. Amazing how many bright people confuse evidence and proof.
the point he is trying to make is that if you were in an accident your account would vary from that of the other driver, and chances are all other eye witnesses would give varying accounts too. Whereas CCTV footage would give an accurate account of what actually happened.
And scientific research has proven this to be the case.
@@kalaharisurfer9605 Interpretation of the CCTV footage could be subjective too.
@@Emsyaz it depends on what is on the recording.
In medicine, conditions such as DIC (Disseminated intravascular coagulation) are what we call a clinical diagnosis. There is no test or way we can say that someone 100% has it but we look for patterns and trends. Just because science cannot measure a certain phenomenon with hard data, doesn't mean it's not real or be dismissed.
@@kalaharisurfer9605 CCTV could give you an account of what happened exteriorly, but it says nothing about what the person or people in the recording were feeling or thinking.
Questions to ask your talking dead father “are you not embalmed, how are you moving? How are your vocal chords vibrating while there not in your thought?”
Doesn’t explain many strange phenomena associated with NDEs. The reading of the up high “msgs” has occurred dozens of times
False those high reading of cards haven't even once been successful that's why Dr parnia hasn't put out any videos for years..maybe he's found out the truth that there is no afterlife
@@duncankent1330 no, hes still doing research hes still interviewing.
@@duncankent1330 THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE!!!!!!! ONLY FOOLS DENY IT!!!!!!
@@SpatialAndTemporalEvangelicals Just saying there is, doesn't make it true... What kind of evidence do you have, for example?
@@Nexils um, check out the experiences of Robert Monroe, his OBE'S were recorded in labs it seems, he could accurately predict what happened in other rooms he had never been in? How does that happen?
Cosmic Consciousness blows this conversation out of the water.
That isn't what the universe told me. ; )
If a dead body sits up and starts talking to me, im hauling ass on out💀
The smartest man we tell you the more I learn the more I know I know nothing , somethings are beyond mans understanding , if religion helps you to be a better person I don't see a problem , will all find out one of these days though
that is a great way to look at things ...wish the world world looked at life that way..
@@SharonBalloch thank you very much
@Jennifer B Graham For example, a lot of religious people are negatively attacking NDT because he simply does not believe in afterlife or ghosts. Their "proof" of the afterlife is only from experiencing....something, but it's not proof if it can be replicated in front of Scientists to see the data and support it. It's no different than seeing a UFO in the sky and saying "Aliens". You don't actually know that. The "U" pretty clearly tells us you dont know what it is, so assuming it must be an outworldly being with no evidence to back it up other than a blurry video that looks like someone made a camera from a potato.
NDT isn't telling people to not believe in the afterlife, he is simply stating why HE doesn't believe it because to a Scientist, data and proof s what matters. In return religious and spiritual people are attacking him for it. The irony is delicious.
the problem being lots of very evil things have been done in the name of religion and dogma and fundamentalism are very efficient at getting people to do very evil things in the name of religion.
That's the problem, whether or not you see it.
@@kalaharisurfer9605 i agree my friend
I think it’s interesting how little we know about dreams
He talks about other dimensions in his lectures but think nde or after life is bs? Come on now
🤣 now that's funny cause if there different dimensions there's a spirit world
Very choosy !
First of all let me put some emphasis on the fact I like Neil deGrasse Tyson very much. But that doesn't mean I take everything he tells us for granted. Sometimes his arguments are just not okay. As they are not in this case.
The "message on the sealing" argument (is not his, just a common one) is not serious enough and doesn't work out. We know from experiments but also from real life experience that when your mind is focused on something, chances are that you miss a lot of things going on in your environment. For instance, we always laughed with my mother when she was reading a book. We said: there could be a bomb exploding next to her, she wouldn't notice. I am sure you know what I mean. Now imagine for a moment there is a way your mind/spirit (however you wanna call it) can leaf your body. This would be so overwhelming I guess messages on the sealing would be the last thing you would notice if at all. Unless maybe you were interested in NDE, you know about those experiments and you would be so calm, you would remember to look at the sealing. Chances this would happen are very slim. So, if no one noticed so far, are you really surprised? It's a nice try, but this experiment cannot lead to solid conclusions. Then when he talks about: "ask what clothes 'he' is wearing?" or "what temperature is it over 'there' ?"... Not very powerful also. If you imagine something beyond death or people leaving their body... Chances are this would be something beyond or outside of space and time. In such a realm, would there be something to measure? Would there be real clothes to wear? This are, I am sorry to say, narrow minded arguments. To convince me, they don't suffice.
Most skeptics are skeptic about everything but their own skepticism. They say: extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. But they don't apply it to their own reasoning. That way, they show the same conduct they accuse their opponents of.
Scientists and Science is amazing and the best thing that has happened to humanity, but sometimes it falls into an arrogant position.
Kind of like the arrogant position that we are so self important that we must be around in some form for eternity?
If you think he's being arrogant you may want to do some introspection
it's not the science.. what you see in this video it's just a personal positioning... a funny positioning by the way.. science should be completely objective and analize all data. What I can see here is that he's not interested in the topic.
Well said. It would be like me telling him about astrophysics. Not my field.
@@TheSilverGate he has no background on this topic and it’s glaringly obvious.
Be aware of the person who is quick to shut down an idea before exploring it. And even more so if the subject is yet to be fully understood. Regardless of who the person it is. That is still a person.
I have an invisible pet unicorn in my back yard..
@@pongmasterphong9055 I bet you think you owned him with that comment. In reality, you sound like a child trying to win an argument.
He’s a charlatan. And he knows it. But it pays well.
@@pongmasterphong9055right because that's comparable to the continued existence of consciousness after cessation of biological function.
Dork
@@pongmasterphong9055 Was the big bang a pet unicorn and what preceded it too a group of unicorns ? Multiple people who don't know each other have had similar experiences across decades. Some of what they saw verified by witnesses. Humans have hardly left the planet and there is a mid blowing universe out there but some of these smart ass commentators act like they know everything.
the bright light in the operating theatre . . . that makes a lot of sense . . .
i would like to know what study was he quoting at 6:20 if anyone knows.
There actually have been cases of people who described everything that is in the room leaving doctors perplexed, & there have been an eclectic amount of people from all walks of life that describe NDEs not just "crazy" people. He has to be the most intelligent unintelligent person I've ever seen.
he's a clown
@@theslaken Like everyone else he has his strengths and weaknesses. He is very goo0d in his own lane. Here he is in over his head.
George Ritchie saw a shoe on the roof of the hospital he came back and they found the shoe where he said it was
To this day, no one has ever read the note on the ceiling
@@aspartamekillsyaknow9019 Then it’s the wrong test.
Isn't he a physicist ? Where's the physics ?
People who die don't only report what they see and experience in another realm, they report things that in principle can be verified i.e., events that happened and were experienced by medical staff when he or she were 'dead.' They report conversations that were taking place by family members in rooms that were far away from where their dead body was laying. No known laws of physics can explain this, no psychological or physiological explanation can account for such things. There may be no scientific studies that deal with this exact phenomena, but if such specific examples are true, then the denial (the arrogant dismissal) of the truth of nde experiences has more to do with scientific dogma than an honest attempt to search for truth.
Please post verifiable sources on this matter. I have investigated it thouroughly over the years and have found no such sources for any verification of the phenomenons you claim.
I have personally died and been revived by emergency medical personnel. Not once or twice, but three times. Once was an intentional multiple drug overdose, another time was due to accidental (well, I was pushed off a bridge) hypothermia, and the third was aspirated pneumonia. Each time I was in a coma after resuscitation for between 3-5 days. I woke up each time hooked up to a ventilator with a breathing tube down my throat and my wrists strapped to the hospital bed. Each time, I couldn't recall any experience in the interim at all, and certainly didnt have any out of body experience or see god, jesus, dead relatives, light at the end of the tunnel, etc...
I wouldn't ever claim that my experience (or lack thereof) proves that god doesn't exist or that it can be used to refute those who DO claim some type of experience after revival of NDE.
Out of every piece of literature Ive read on the subject, though, a maximim of around 9% of patients who have reported NDEs (in any single study, and most of these studies contain reports from thousands of patients who coded.) Out of the 9% or less from any given study, 0% were able to report and verifiable evidence to support their claims.
I'm not so foolish to believe that, between my own experiences with death and what Ive read on the matter, are conclusive to debunk EVERY NDE. However, I have yet to find any information at all that can be used to conclude that ANY NDE (under the terms in which you refer) has actually occured.
After my second time resuscitated back from death, I began seeking out other people who have also died and been revived. I have spoken to dozens of such people and have not found one with anything to provide as meaningful evidence that they truly experiencd a religious or out of body experience.
Scientifically, NDEs has been mostly attributed to hypoxia, or the lack of oxygen supply to the brain, thay causes hallucinations. Also, at or near death, our bodies go overboard producing a chemical known as DMT (N-Dimethyltryptamine.) DMT can also cause delusions.
Pleaae don't think I am trying to attack you, your beliefs, or trying to degradate your religion or spirituality. I am always willing to change my mind when provided with verifiable evidence. I also feel a sense of self growth when conversing with someone with beliefa differing my own. If you send me any sources for your viewpoint, I'll be more than willing to read them and reevaluate my stance if need be.
@@donaldmach3373 What would, in principle, satisfy the conditions necessary for you to believe the claims made by a near death experiencer? In other words, what would count as 'verifiable' evidence? I wouldn't want to expend energy referring to evidence that would not be relevant or valid in your estimation.
@@josecasper8717 - Verifiable, corroborated evidence. There are tons of studies that have been conducted, many of them with hundreds or even thousands of patients who were interviewed regarding their claim of supernatural NDE. These studies have typically been that the doctor conducting the study and caring for the patient will place some out of place and easily recognizable object next to the patient so they would see it during their "Ifloated above the bed and saw myself below and my weeping family members around me" claims. Not one of these patients has reported seeing the object. These objects have mostly been a playing card set on the patient's bed, chest, or side table. If during an NDE a patient was truly having an out of body experience, they should have easily seen the playing card.
I suppose I could be convinced b6 some other method, this is just one of the most commonly used tactics to verify these experiences. A patient's description of their family that visited while they were out, or the doctors and nurses that cared for them, may also be ackowledged.
Seeing as that there is not really and data to support claims of NDEs, what evidence do you need to NOT believe in them?
@@donaldmach3373 typically, in reponse to this 'object placing' for confirmation of nde experiences, the nde'r will say that there was simply too much going on with what they were experiencing that they were not paying attention to specific objects being placed somewhere. I've also never understood why such evidence would be better than what they do give accounts of i.e., what conversations were taking place, what a particular doctor was doing or wearing etc. If they can accurately describe other aspects, why would the focus on one thing be better? But, anyway, here is a meta study that can begin to point to the kind of evidence I think could meet your criteria www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/
As to what would count as evidence Against the truth of NDE, I would consider (and do accept) that some aspects of the experiences of potential nde cases can be confused for hallucinations. Claiming to have seen Jesus or an Angel or even a dead relative at your bedside can all be the result of dream like states in a dying brain, such hallucinations can be invoked and produced by drugs in controlled settings. This is why I don't give much weight to reports of such things for the truth of NDEs. I too need to see corroboration for experiences that would go beyond that...such as confirmation of other living beings who are otherwise healthy and can confirm the type of experiences I mention in my initial reponse to the video.
I had a near death experience as well, and I found this so funny. I’m always smiling, laughing, and I’m always enjoying life these days. Life is too short to try too prove each other wrong; however, there is something out there we can’t still understand even science can’t understand. I use to be very skeptic to many things but now these days I’m more open minded. I love this guy he’s smart and funny, and very honest through his perspective. I just hope he never experiences a near death experience but he’s just fine the way he is.
Is death final?
What happened
An individual can be both skeptical and open-minded at the same time. Open-mindedness doesn’t mean you have to accept divergent ideas, rather just consider them.
Being skeptical means to consider all claims, question their veracity, and withhold belief until belief is warranted. Once sufficient evidence exists to support supernatural claims, a skeptic will believe the claims.
I’m open-minded to all supernatural claims, I even hope some of them are true, I just won’t be convinced of their veracity until there is sufficient evidence to support them.
I understand that some supernatural claims may be true to some extent, but we just don’t have a way of proving that they’re true. I get that. I want so badly to believe that there is some sort of an afterlife or reincarnation or something like that, but I’m not rationally justified in believing claims that haven’t yet met their burden of proof. But as soon as sufficient evidence exists to support a supernatural claim, I’ll be one of the first in line to believe it.
@@RoyGBiv-mb8xt If you're truly interested in verified evidence, you need to look to the research of Dr. Bruce Greyson. His research flies in the face of everything Tyson is saying in this video. There is a ton of evidence out there.
The problem with many so-called "intellectuals" nowadays is they think because they are well-read in one area (this man supposedly being physics) makes them are experts in all areas. Its a logical fallacy that derives from pride and arrogance. He is a fool.
He needs to take the pulse, heart beat, and brain activity of a person having an NDE, then 30 minutes later as they came back back to life have them start a conversation with Neil.
Please listen to what a doctor who was in operation room itself had to say about bear death experience of one of his patients. He was shocked after hearing what patient said and witnessed after he went out of body.
Not doubting Neil here, but does anyone have a link this this study at 6:15
Tyson is a physicist. He's talking outside his field. But we can thank him for his comments. I'd recommend he write a book with the title, "The Physics of Other Peoples' Subjective Experiences".
what "physics" would these be, by the way?
My Grandfather was 13 years old when his appendix possibly ruptured on the operating table in the 1930's... He was dead for 30 minutes and was dead so long that they were filling out his obituary. He told me this when I was about 15 years old. I know my grandfather was dead from this statement alone... " All of the sudden I was SLAMMED back into my body and I was COLD.... Why would he feel cold? Must of been very warm up in the ceiling in total bliss and his body must of gotten cold from just laying there.... So I do not believe when people say this stuff... I will take the words of Jesus and my grandfather.... thx :)
littlepacificstudios, I myself have seen Jesus. Stay strong 💪!
Nathan S hi! What did you see?? 👀
He was cold because there was no blood circulating in his body for 30 minutes Einstein...all bodies get cold after death.
@@iamwe7035 or death changing...lol
I had a visitation from a deceased loved one and trust me if it happens to you, the last thing you will think of is pulling out your cell phone. It’s the most shocking thing to experience if it hasn’t happened to you before. I was in disbelief. I was just trying to figure out what the heck was happening. I thought I must have finally snapped. But then the most overwhelming feeling of love came over me and I was given all of this universal knowledge. I somehow was able to comprehend quantum physics because of that experience. If you know me you know science was my worst subject. This experience was so raw, so real, so organic, so emotional, it set me on a journey of trying to learn everything I could about the universe, the afterlife. As I stated before my extra sensory abilities came online and I was able to sense subtle energies in various forms. Just phenomenal.
You should prolly share your new found knowledge of quantum physics with the scientific community. Stuff is really hard to work out, and being magically given the answer sheet would be helpful. You could be a millionaire with this wildcard, my guy.
My mum, also a strong atheist like me, had a similar experience and my aunt too. In the case of my aunt she sawher deceased sister (my granma) and my mum saw her deceased husband. My mum said it was like a dream, but if I remmeber correctly, it also wasn't since she was not asleep. These things need to be researched . Since we have no clue about what happened, anything that dimisses it is also not very scientific.
Haha ARE YOU WEARING CLOTHS!?! WHEre did you get your Cloths!?!
Lol
I listened to one where he said that there was a guide taking him around the galaxy with terrestrial life on it like humans. Then later he asked why can’t they be in earth and the guide said god did once allow the cross life but a problem happened. He asked why can’t we all see ghost and the guide said that he doesn’t want our lives to interfere with the after life it was very interesting.
You Sir have some surprises in store for you. What you refute cannot be seen or heard by the physical senses. So you don’t know if your trusting physical senses as your guide. One thing I know, I am not a gray mass of matter tucked in a skull. The body is a machine, it runs on electricity, it is a machine, I am not a machine.
Charla Factor The body is in fact a machine, whether you believe it or not. It is a biological machine.
How do you know?
He seem so sure that what people experienced is not true, i think that this is arrogance, not proven something is not a way to disqualify it totally.
He's got no reason to believe it's true other than people saying it is.
He is right. Nothing is proven officially by words. But of course it doesnt mean it might not happen, he is not a jerk but a factual person. I can understand him totally. Ive personally seen two times weird stuff in my life but...me neither sure if they were real or not.
How is it arrogance? It's called having actual proof and not focusing on what our brains think is there. Give us actual proof of ghosts and you will get no objections. Even Bill Nye has gone to multiple haunted areas and NOTHING has happened. Even the Warrens have been shown to fake many of their paranormal investigations.
Drip. Factssssss
Drip.
If your proof is literally Bill Nye claiming that’s he’s been to haunted areas and say that nothing happened, then you guys literally have nothing. And besides, if we gave you guys proof of ghosts, you guys will scream out at the top of your lungs “CGI! STRINGS! MAGNETS! PUPPETS! THAT DOOR WAS PAID BY THE PRODUCERS!”
It’s like talking with a cinder block.
When he said if it happens again all these questions. Well something similar happened to me like his family member but instead of seeing and hearing, I just heard. I heard my step-dad speak to me. I asked questions I wouldn't know. Like where did you go on your honeymoon with my mom. See I was 1 going on 2 so I had no idea and never asked that later in life since he died when I was 14. He gave an answer and I went to my mom and she confirmed it. Same with other questions that I had no idea what it was and my mom confirmed it because she is the only one who knows this information. So that was interesting to say the least
I was in a bicycle accident many years ago, I vividly remember seeing my self and hearing my self shouting from the pain and the bicycle on the road from about 6 feet above. It only lasted a couple of seconds then I realized I had been in an accident..So, you don't have to die to or even have a serious injury to have an NDE.
I mean its kinda self explanatory in the name. Not injured near death or died experience.
Was that as you flew over you bicycle?
@@rudyz193 he's saying you don't have to be near death to experience some features of it.
Michael, the part where you leave the body is called obe, out of body experience, and some can induce it through meditation too 😮
@@kalaharisurfer9605 no, he's saying he saw his body on the ground next to the bicycle.
@@neutrino78x and we all know how reliable eye witness accounts are.
Irregardless of his appropriate skepticism on NDE, his comment on eye witness testimony being the highest form of evidence in our courts and lowest form of evidence in science is terrifying. Plus people lie.
Off Topic, but I would love to have an eye witness who identifies a suspect only after a fleeting glance identify several people present in the courtroom that they saw but don't remember they saw, like the bus driver he saw that morning or doorman at the court building. Defense rests.
It's *regardless
He's also wrong in saying that. DNA, blood, semen and other scientific evidence is a higher form of evidence than eyewitness.
Of course people lie. However: it becomes very difficult for someone to know things that were not known to anyone near him or her when they awakened. When checked, most times very saddening news came and it turned out the man or woman were right. You can check that and it has beendone scientifically.
Also they do not only see deceased ones, they also see living people but these are always where they are supposed to be. Next door in the waiting room, or much further away. They can tell what they were doing. BLIND people DO see in these experiences and can describe others they meet perfectly fine. How can that be when some were legally blind all their life? Can you explain it. They can describe subject with various colours, various shapes etc, perfectly well. Say the tie a physician was wearing during the operation they were in. How can blind people see that. How can blind people see bright lightss. How can blind people describe the deceased ones they have met during their NDE again perfectly, they describe details. Moles in the face, hair colour, shape of eyes and details...
Nothing is definitive here, but we need good alternative explanations how that can be before we jump to conclusions.
Notice he gave no supporting evidence for that claim, he just said "it's been researched" and made his statement. Eyewitness testimony is the highest reliable testimony to use...because while he seems to imply we just...ask a crowd all together what they think and go with that, we actually separate witnesses before they have had the chance to talk to each other and see if they give the same recounting.
Near Death Experiences (NDEs) are quite interesting and one cannot overstate their importance in settling not just the age old metaphysical question of Materialism vs Idealism, but also what these NDEs might reveal about an afterlife.
Modern science is dominated by secularism--naturalism. Naturalists, such as Neil DeGrasse Tyson, must deny that these NDEs are real. Tyson's comments and objections are silly and irrelevant but let's see if we can make sense of NDEs nevertheless.
There are really only two options here: 1) Dualism (substance dualism) is true and we do in fact have an immaterial quality--a soul--which gives us consciousness, a sense of an immutable identity, personhood, free will and a mind. This is certainly the intuition we all have. And if this is true it is reasonable that the mind could persist beyond the physical brain as these NDE accounts suggest. But modern secular intellectuals have rejected dualism because of their a priori embracing of the other option: 2) Materialism or naturalism. If materialism is true then this means that the naturalist scientist must regard these subjective conscious NDE accounts as "hallucinations." But let's think for a moment what an hallucination would have to be assuming for the moment that materialism is true. And let's then see if this hallucination explanation is consistent with the categories of causation available to materialism. Let's also grant to the materialist, for now, that it has not been established beyond doubt that there is no activity at all in the brain when these NDEs occur.
What is an hallucination according to a materialist? Well, according to materialism the physical brain is all there is so consciousness and thought and all other subjective mental experiences, including hallucinations, must be explainable strictly in terms of the material particles of the standard model of physics being acted upon by the four fundamental forces; in this case the electromagnetic force. These laws are deterministic but they are acted upon by the intrinsic uncertainties of quantum mechanics which provides some level of true contingency. So can the deterministic laws of physics and the contingencies of quantum mechanics account for these NDE experiences? No, they cannot. Why? Because these NDEs contain vast amounts of highly specific and complex subjective information. In order to explain these NDEs simply as hallucinations constructed in the brain by the laws of physics, one would have to imagine a spectacular and continuous series of violations of the most fundamental principle in all reality--entropy. The principle of entropy, which involves the probabilities of arrangements of vast numbers of very small things, precludes the creation of even modest quantities of information especially if this information is created instantaneously. In order for the physical brain to construct the exquisitely rich subjective experience of an NDE, there would have to be a fortuitous and very specific arrangement of billions and billions of material components in the brain instant after instant. In effect the dying brain would have to construct a movie with creative, novel and ineffable subjective content and do it instantaneously! There is no material category of causation that can do that--not even worth considering. (And in fact there is no material explanation for consciousness and thought at all--it is a complete mystery from a materialist perspective.) Invoking programs in the brain to explain NDEs does not help because a program is simply an algorithm (with data) which are purely deterministic. Algorithms are just a plan, a deterministic replaying out of something that has already been constructed. The obvious question arises as to where such a program could come from. After thinking about this for a moment one finds themselves in an infinite regress of causes to explain an unending series of programs--in short you have entered a house of mirrors. So relying on programs to account for NDEs is nonsensical and incoherent.
Therefore, NDEs demonstrate that dualism must be true. (Dreams and creative thought actually demonstrate this as well.) But NDEs are unusual in that they contain ineffable content--content that is not explainable in earthly human terms. And given that they have this ineffable quality, there is a strong inference that these NDEs are actually interactions with the divine. But I don't think that that can be established with any degree of certainty especially not by those sitting on the sidelines so to speak who have not experienced them and can therefore only listen to the NDE accounts of others with a longing to have one of their own.
My dude, I hate to break it to you but science it inherently materialistic and naturalistic.
NDE is not being dead and not remotely being back from death.
That we know about NDE is not much: the resaearcher who had studied it and are not con man using fraud and selling books or spirit seance, i mean doctors and scientists who published and submit their review to criticism by the peers.
I suggest you or those interested to read about it. For your thoughts and "bias of incredulity" yeah it's much comparable to dream who are still produce by the brain even if not understanding all about and feelings can be overwhelming in dreams.
Yeah some strong emotions like PTSD can induce hallucination and that is known. As you ought to know if you watch the video with an open eyes feelings are notmuch a retaliable way to knowledge, let alone the human memorie can be altered and changed over the time(stating the obvious if you know a bit about science's of the mind AKA neuroscience, psychology) and it's a normal way of functionning of the brain but not a reliable method to truth.
When the body and mind been stressed and/or injuried(+altering the normal functioning of the brain in most case) and you live through it barely or even with crippling you'll wear all your life it's also a life changer. Everyone been different and reacting different to lide having such a strong experience is enough to explain ppl can change, put their hope in an irrational belief after that and the pain and angst who can come with it.
NDE are not normal state of body and mind and hopefully the same science(health staff, surgeons...) you seem to discredit help people to recovery and even not being dead all the NDE cases when faith and belief in another life have not helped in the living, at contrary it prejudice by carrying superstition and arbitrary nonsense(some couple of hundreds years ago before miscroscope demons and evils or other gibberish were responsible for what we know are germs making infections).
It was my case, around my 20 years old i got a road accident and spent 1 month in coma, having 14 hours of brain surgery and others stuff i'll not details.
Seen the white light, feel the indiscriblable loveoverrwhelming me when at the top of arising over the city, the world in the cloud, live lot of things like living fanstastic and incoherent stories(time seems like 6 months of unreal life), meet biblical figures and even been a kind of Jesus raising the dead after meeting this Melchizedek guy. Most of it was good to experience but i got sometimes when pain and horro have been.
Some months after leaving hospital i feel sometimes déjà vu, like if i had ever lived this moment in my dream NDE.
Born atheist and being skeptic i didn't change to believe to any god or believe an after death but i started inquiry to see what could explain something that change me and make a very strong impression(the word are weak to describe anyway), that after i wake up i spent a week to be aware it was not real life(many surgeries and care using drugs that won't make mind clear).
And i related some details of this dream life(as it was in most part full of excitement and aventure) to details i've seen when waking up, slowly after 1 month in coma of intensive care you don't jump out to reality in a snap of fingers. Like some clock, glasses and doors, staff of health taking care i recognised as part of a different story out of time and space and logic(as do weirds dreams). And i continue inquiry to see all the answer i can found. I'm still no doctor but yet i read what they found and lead who can explain thing.
But primary my 1st tought, and still i've this one, is that i've got plenty of imagination. Most of the thing i've know can be related to the culture and the fact thati was an i'm reading books and seeing movies of fantasy and science fiction.
That's called the inconscious and being humble is not declare we know when some part of our brain is acting hidden(so unconscouly of our conscious mind and will), being humble is not claiming that we know about that we don't know. And modern science is a good thing for the wide humanity we are. Because it tends to search about what we don't know, but if you think you know you never search and found anything nor correct yourself when you're wrong.
Being open minded don't mean we have to have belief in thing who hasn't been shown, know or see existing like an afterlife let alone an invisible powerful being being the reason of everything who in fact explain nothing at all.
Odin/Zeus explaining the thunder explain nothing, it's magic.
Some abrahmic god explaining it create the world by magic wording and soul and after-life existing ney too.
Since the only live we know is real let alone to yourself to make your thoughts about what you want believe(even if no bearing in reality) or what you think is true, the least being more difficult bc you've to search and look things in the world even if not of your liking, even if it contradict the fact that you don't have an answers by yourself(feeling and confirmation bias/cheery picking) for everything and have the humility to see it.
Read Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
I got a Niel degrasse Master Class ad before this.
Wait what about the people who read the message when they were floating above?
Dr. Ian Stevenson
My aunts were speaking together at a funeral for a relative that wasn’t particularly kind to either of them. Aunt A is drinking tea while aunt b is talking negatively about said relative…next thing you know the tea was on aunt B dress and Aunt A was just as shocked.
Thanks so much
How did science progress if not for eyewitness testimony? I did an experiment and I saw it. Replicated over and over.
Explain how NDEs are different. People have coherent, similar experiences all the time when they should be dead and when they are clinically brain dead.
This is another example of shifting the goalposts
Your point would have been valid if it was the case that other scientist's were not allowed to carry out the same experiment.
@@garythefishable huh?
@@stevec8872 Yeah could have worded that better I suppose... What I meant to say is its wrong to categories scientific experiments as "Eyewitness testimony" as they can be repeated multiple times by different people under controlled conditions.
@@garythefishable So people don't need to view the results? And the personal bias and limitations of our sense perceptions aren't a factor there either? If a scientific experiment were performed and no one is there to view it, can it still be said to have results?
@@stevec8872 it is necessary for scientist's to provide the information needed to recreate their experments so others in that field of expertise can test the validity of the results. No serious scientist would provide just results alone as it would not pass peer review. Hope that helps.
Praying for this man's soul. and when atheists shout "Oh my god!" Makes total sense...*eye roll
Kristen Scott it’s a phrase it doesn’t have anything to do with belief. Using that as a talking point makes a fool out of yourself.
Lol 🤣 so when a christian say "Masya Allah!" Its mean he belive in muslim? Wtf
I live in the world largest muslim population country and A LOT of my friends who are christian say Masya Allah when they surprised.
Saying oh my god, masya allah or jesus christ when surprised is just a fucking phrase.
What a fucking joke.
There's no proof of your "god", let alone any proof of jesus. And your comment is one of the dumbest I've ever read...
lol he's said he's not an atheist. But well done for the attempted cheap shot.
@@kalaharisurfer9605 well done for a comment on a two year old post lol
Many people coming from vastly different cultural and religious backgrounds who all report very similar experiences constitutes strong evidence. It is not the same as one guy saying "I saw it".
I don't know. People of different backgrounds state seeing different things depending on their culture. For example, Japanese folks tend to see a field of flowers and only report feeling bliss with the light instead of love. Then again, it could be the afterlife taking a familiar and comfortable form for the person.
I saw a light and I was home in a dark room...and I saw the bright light and a person was inside the bright fogging light
That person has physical body,
If Anwer is yes then How?
What Neil has to admit is that science is a philosophy. It has certain tenets and biases, such as belief that objectivity exists. It may seem ridiculous that I say that, but the truth is that at the VERY ROOT, science makes assumptions, as do other philosophies. The most interesting philosophy to me is the no-philosophy or unlearning-philosophy taught by ancient Ch'an Buddhist masters, who shunned knowledge (or at least admitted its limits). They start with the basis that 'knowing' or intellectual knowledge is fundamentally very limited; it has its place, but it very roughly and very poorly approximates experience, which is very direct. They took the approach that we might not ever know what we are, but what is true is that we are already that (I prefer 'this') and there is really, REALLY something to be delved into seeing 'what is' in a non-conceptual way. So, in summary, it's not a disconnected approach of knowing ourselves or our nature, but allowing it to be revealed, more like 'being,' when we don't apply objective thinking and concepts at all. If anyone finds this silly, I would suggest you recollect experiences you've had when you've emptied out your mind--maybe sunset at the beach--and it had a profound effect on your life; maybe changed the course of your life. You can disagree, but pieces of knowledge about objective things do not have the same meaning and impact.
Do dead people get Near Life Experiences?😂
No, they have had an actual life experience you twat. How old are you?
Martin Nicholls It's a joke?
Haaaaaaa
Search for UVA reincarnation ... It will blow your mind .. UVA as in Univ of Virginia ... Cognitive Sciences study that concluded 50 years of research. It's real.
Martin Nicholls it’s a joke
Saved by the bell!
observation is the purest form of science.
For all his seeming intelligence, Neil is a scientific ideologue, I predicted his exact stance before researched it, and that is because if you know one thing about him, you can fairly reliably know them all, in terms of what position he takes with regard to science and spirituality. I hope he has the opportunity to have a genuine spiritual experience before he travels into the great beyond 🥹
Great observation.
Watch Neurosurgeon Eban Alexander's account of NDE
Yes!!!!
I know this is an old comment, but I'd also suggest to watch the first episode during the first season of I Survived: Beyond and Back (2011?) It's 100% free to watch on Tubitv online. A young man at the time, Mike, and an older man named Chuck have very interesting stories. A woman named Julie on the first episode is also interesting to watch.
or thousands more like Anita Morjani her cancer went into remission ON ITS OWN AFTER HER NDE!
@@LK-pc4sq I've watched many of her videos, and hundreds of others
I could take that if it was one persons experience, como on Neil, your smart. Its not beliefs its the experience of everyone who has a near death experience! So many people have this experience its not what “one” person saw. Your explanations aren’t valid for all experiences, people see the bright loving light in places where there is not an operating table and no physical lighting, people describe what was happening in that room and the room next door. Just because that experiment in writing you were talking about didnt end up in any findings doesnt mean it isnt real. Im curious how did they conducted that experiment and with how many people, Im sure giving that info out wouldnt be beneficial for your statement would it? Now if we talk about science, there is scientific proof now that consciousness survives after brain and heart death.... how do you explain that?
Hey, can you point me into that "scientific proof of consciousness surviving after brain and heart death"? I'm not trolling, I would like to take a look on it. Thanks.
How about the cases of kids remembering past lives?
How do you know parents didn't tell the child those and have the kid speak about it? How do you know the kid hasn't dreamed? so many explanations.
"If a dead person sits up and starts talking to me- OH MY GOD - the IPhone's coming out..."