The first gun my dad bought me to be "mine" was a single shot 410 at 8 years old, 12 years ago. It was a good gun to learn on. I think he got it for me because his 12 gauge kicked me into the ground.
I'm 45 and my first gun was a bolt action 22. A box of 50 was 50 cents and I'd work for 50 cents a day and buy a box at the local gas station. Shoot 50 a day. My friend had a 3 round semi auto 410 for his first gun... We couldn't really afford much ammo. We were what 7yo maybe just walking around shooting stuff. Now I feel like the government doesn't want me to have a 22 pistol.
Love the Banshee! CMMG has AR mags with 9mm internals so you can run your 9mm Banshee upper with standard AR lowers. One lower with 3 - 4 different uppers makes for a lighter load to haul to the range 😎👍
CMMG makes some very nice PCC's. I ran my first USPSA PCC competition today with my Resolute 300. She purred like a kitten and was a tack driver. It was almost like I couldn't miss if I tried. I was very impressed and she is a soft shooter. This is quickly becoming my favorite gun! Shootability, reliability, and a decent price point what's not to like!
The Ruger PC Charger is the best value in the market. It’s half the price of the Banshee 9mm and 1/3 the price of the MPX. It’s a metal upper, a takedown, and accepts Glock mags as well.
Is that technically a pistol though? I live in Maryland and it's extremely hard to legally buy a pistol but anyone over 18 can buy a rifle or shotgun with just the standard background check. To buy a handgun you have to do all sorts of classes and get licenses and stuff and I just want a good 9mm carbine to keep in the house I feel super uncomfortable not having a firearm. I was looking at the high point 9mm carbine mainly because of the price point
@@murf493 not sure which one you’re talking about sub 2000 is technically a rifle I believe all the other ones can be gotten with either pistol or rifle receivers
Owned the EP9 for 3 years or so and had 3-4k rounds through it and still functions perfectly. Highly recommend also very light weight which is what I want from a SBR style pistol.
So glad to be looking and videos and researching firearms that Ive never been able to own here in California. I will be saying good bye to California for good in 2 weeks. Ive already gotten rid of most of my guns, and am in a hurry to start my collection with some new stuff. My wife and I purchased a 12.3 acre property just outside of Fort Worth, something we would have never been able to afford here in California. She and my kids have been there since August, but I stayed behind to finish up all of our affairs. In 2 weeks though, I will be hitting the road to my new home. I'm so fucking excited. Be kind to my family and I Texas. No need to leave blue state politics behind in California, because I have never had them.
Good luck, brother. I just left Kalifornia also. Was there for 13 years. Ridiculous Democrat-controlled lunacy - anti 2A. So happy to be back in the USA (NM in my case). First thing I did was buy a bunch of 30rd mags, lol.
Another great Honest Outlaw review. CMMG's delayed blowback system is great. Hoping for a review of full length PCCs like high end JP (GMR 15 or JP-5) and budget ones like base model Ruger PCC ( $400-$430 pre pandemic). I got the Ruger with MLOK for $508. Love it, but the cheaper base model is noticeably lighter.
His reviews last year are why I got it -- my first firearm. It has always been a pleasure to work with. BTW the price went up to $449 last year (just before I bought mine). Still, the price is as low as it is because it's sold direct to the public by the manufacturer: no middlemen. So that low price in no way reflects a lower quality of manufacture.
I just bought the Extar EP9 (being delivered this week) because of your review. For the money I figured "why not?" I have a ton of Glock mags and 9mm ammo. Looking forward to trying out my first PCC. Thanks man.
I like the Ruger PC. Reasonable price and genuinely good engineering as well as being use in law enforcement in certain restrictive areas… Can’t complain
I love the ruger platform too can’t go wrong and I’m accurate with it. But I do crave the ability to swap different uppers. That said… you can by a full size and pc charger for the price of most ar platform 9 😂
@@mitch8710 very true, my biggest selling point the Ruger had was interchangeable mag wells so I can use magazines that I already have, awesome idea IMO
To be honest I'd take a cheap MAC 10 or MAC 11 over anything in this video. The MAC 10 and MAC 11 have one thing that make them more compact, they are grip loaded. So even attaching a tube and brace to a MAC still makes it much more compact than anything on this list. Not to mention they are cheap, super reliable, cheap magazines, pre threaded barrels to easily attack suppressors, fake suppressors, barrel extensions etc. So if it is just about an actual pistol that is high capacity and on the smaller side even with a brace attacked, it is hard to beat a MAC 10 or MAC 11. Just look at how much more compact a MAC with a brace is compared to everything else in this video. Hands down, the MAC wins. Also, besides the AR15 in the video, there are way more aftermarket parts for the MAC than anything else in the video, and you can swap uppers on the MAC just like you can with an AR15.
Just picked up an ARV-9 by PSA for $700 and it’s amazing. I’ve run 300ish rounds with no issues. 8” barrel with a nice brace. Great for the money and useful.
If you can get a grinder, welder and drill, you can buy mp5 parts and build one for around 1,500. There's good build series on yt. I've built a mp5 and an mp5sd. I even did the barrel headspacing and pinning myself for the first time on the SD. You will need a shop press for that, but if your willing to invest in tools, you can build guns for half the price of their retail cost and it feels awesome shooting guns YOU made.
@@teflondonii9298 I recommend getting out there and treating yourself to a nice afternoon of shooting sometime soon. Bring friends to show it off🇺🇸 I put a red dot on mine and love it!
I think I love my Extar EP9 more every time I shoot it. Super reliable, light as a feather, no recoil, dead nuts accurate and they recommend you shoot steel ammo. What’s not to like?
@@taylorsessions4143 oh I see haha. Well, the manufacturer actually straight up recommends Tula steel case by name (and don't recommend any other brand specifically IIRC), so I'd guess it works flawlessly with it! Just ordered an Extar EP9 today - if only my local range allowed steel case!
I would like to see something other than pistols in the pistol caliber “carbine” review… calling them PCC’s is just agreeing with the ATF that they are really SBR’s
@@Cbockhoff One would think that the community videographers would know by now not to shoulder them on camera. The one argument for them is they enable disabled people the ability to fire a pistol. Why poke the bear?
@@troya1495 I don’t think you understand what he was saying. This was a PCC review. That basically means rifles or SBRs that use a “pistol cartridge.” I would assume the Ruger PCC and the Ruger Charger we’re eligible here.
I bought the GP Stribog SP9A3, a few years ago, finally breaking 1k rounds, reinforced straight mags, no hiccups but I used all FMJs of whatever I can get(thanks Brandon, FJB), happy camper. Looking to get more mags of the curved variety when financing isn't an issue.
CZ Scorpion is the best for the money without doubt, awesome sights, ergos are stellar if you get a $5 safety delete, reliable as hell, and for around $800 when the next "best" PCC is the banshee being over $1200 with worse magazines...
Brigade arms makes a great pcc totally made in USA and of great quality for the money I have the 5.5 inch BM9 version and I love it. I have it set up as a bedside gun with a light and a green dot optic.
I feel like you can't go wrong with any of these. Likes my friends scorpion and I love the cmmg. I settled on an MPX k gen 2.5 🤣. Amazingly accurate so much fun and haven't had a single issue. Mags you can find for $50. Only down side is VERY small rail. Accessories are difficult to find homes for but a magwell grip feels great with it. Anyways. VERY happy! Great video!
Daughter is a lefty so Beretta CX4 Storm it was; ambi isn't that easy to find. She's loving it. Threw a little Holosun AEMS on it for her first red dot. Happy with it so far.
My FX-9 has been my favorite purchase ever, I love shooting that thing and upgrading a bit to a gucci PCC. Really love the size of it since I'm a small guy with little levers (arms) and that size is just perfect for something to go plinking with. Plus as much as an HK SP5K is my dream gun, I can't justify that much money for it yet
I'm in the same boat with SAA revolvers. I got a heritage .22lr (which also takes a .22mag cylinder) and love shooting my SAA .45lc but ammo is so much money and .45lc is so rare that the heritage .22lr gets all the use. I'd love a banshee but can't justify that price even b/c I'd rather get the FX-9 and a case of ammo.
@@bigjerm210ify I got the 8" barrel, 4" felt like a handgun with a big brace to me. The 8" with a front angled grip and a red dot is very easy to shoot. I upgraded the brace too which helped.
the best part of this video is that this is like a sampling of the PCC market. K-USA KP9, B&T, Stribog, PSA AKV, Ruger charger. the market on PCCs is huge and i havent found one i havent liked shooting.
Will have to satisfy myself with the Ruger PC Charger. Will take a can and can mount a folding brace. And a ton of other stuff. Including the FA binary. Glock mags, 6 1/2” barrel, pic rail, QD, and M-LOK. Fully ambi. The gun cost me $700 new. Absolutely reliable so far.
How about the Kel-Tec Sub2000? I know some don’t think it worth consideration, but they are small folded up, light, available in 9 and 40, and I have never had problems with the two I have owned. Plus the price can’t be beat. They are not built like a tank and won’t last as long as some of the others, but for the cost you can just buy another one when you destroy it.
I've got a couple as well and I love em. It's funny, I bring my PCCs to the range with friends and it seems like everyone enjoys shooting the S2K's more than the lux AR9's or PC Charger. Maybe it's the trigger? The nice long sight radius?
I have a Extar and a s2k as well and to be honest I loved the s2k right up until i got the Extra. Now the extar is my main home defense firearm. It hasn't had any problems with any ammo i feed in and for some reason it's way more fun to shoot and the more i shoot it the more I know i can depend on it when the time comes. Which is why the cmmg is probably my next purchase after my G19 comes to my ffl😅. Because the cmmg is probably twice as fun and durable than my Extra. That's just my opinion on it.
I have the CMMG Banshee in 9mm and boy is it a hoot to shoot with suppressor. Love it. Considered getting a 10mm or 300blk, but I already have a SBR in 300blk. And 10mm is just too expensive to have fun with for me right now.
@@hurricane8634 my expensive guns are in the safe, LoLz. same with my expensive ammo. fm-9 is an inexpensive range toy. i keep my EDC close to me at home and several small arms throughout the house. and no, i don't use my fm9 for EDC. i have a max9 for that.
I don’t get the Glock mag hype. They’re fine mags but they’re not as great to load as a double feed type, like the Scorpion. I load dozens of mags for my G17 and my CZ Scorpion every week. Both function flawlessly, loading the CZ is definitely a better experience(enough to matter)
I think the newer S&W M&P FCP is pretty good! $600 and it comes with a folding stock, piccitini rail, mlok, magazine holders, etc. The charging handle is kinda janky, and the bolt release is in a shitty spot that knicks your finger. So I just don't use that. But it works like a charm, and I've gotten used to the charging handle, so it's no biggie!
I built out my CZ Scorpion to include a suppressor and red dot and wouldn't trade it for any other PCC. Love the tack driving capability of it. Coupled with hush ammo, there is nothing like the clang of the BCG followed by the thud of the round striking down range. Love the channel and the reviews. Thanks!
@@PR-it2ys I added the Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot. HB Industries CZ Scorpion M LOK Handguard, hand stop, folding stock, mag release, safety selector and the lug adaptor. Lot's of stuff from that website. A magpul quick release sling and attachments and grip.
I'm fine with my Hi-Point.I'm sure if it really SHTF,there will be opportunities to upgrade if I wish.Or someone might look down on me and laugh at my Hi-Point.More to do with skill and not making any mistakes,than the name on your gun.Or even the caliber..If it comes down to being on foot.9mm is a good choice to have in carbine and handguns.One ammo with higher chances of finding.
I'd like to see a 1000 round test of the Ruger PC 9mm vs the far lower cost Hi-Point 9mm. Two affordable highly sought after rifles. Thumbs up on this video. 👍👍👍👍👍
I feel like this PCC deserves more of a review. I would love to see you do a review on it as well. It is called the Brigade BMF9 AR9. I have a 9 inch im close to a thousand rounds and it's running like a champ including LRBHO.
If I remember correctly he really liked it, especially for the money(around $600) & the fact that you can takedown the barrel and put on a folding brace, making it one of the smallest PCPs (taken down) in the business (besides the APC9K & MCX Copperhead)
@@rawkemsawkem3328 really?! I have no experience with it, but I thought from a few reviews I’ve seen, you push a button & give it a quarter turn & the barrel and handguard detach without tools…
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 to do a takedown you don't need any tools. To disassemble and clean it requires you to use an allen wrench to remove the charging handle and stock. I find that the reciprocating charging handle likes to work itself loose without some threadlocker which adds to the annoyance.
am subscriber of Demolition Range and Kentucky Ballistics, but got attractd when you started reviewing those guns not featured there, I like your reviews on the pistol carbines, those small portable firearms with semi-auto functions. keep them going!
No info on my 2 favorite pccs the Beretta Storm carbine and the Ruger pcc. The Beretta comes in 9 40 and 45. i lovemty storm carbine in 45 super accurate and great to put a crimson trace on. I am a ruger guy so I have it in 9.
Ok...I know that I do not "know you"; I nonetheless believe that "Honest Outlaw" is a great representation of who you are. I appreciate your content and the depth of your input in evaluating the equipment that you critique on here. Please keep up the good work.
Cmmg is great! Exact ergonomics any AR person is familiar with(no extra training). The mags are compatible with EDC. Very light and well balanced for quick acquisition. Accurate and easy shooting. It’s an AR mini, so no extra crap to buy.
Great lineup - I’m mostly running either PSA AKV w/ALG trigger or adapting a Glock to the Flux Defense brace and Recover Tactical 20/20 brace... but my CZ Scorpions are my favorites.
I was just at the Scheels in Des Moines and they had 3 used Scorpion EVO 3 S1s for about $900. Almost got one, but decided against an impulse buy. They’re probably still there if you’re in the market for one right now.
I love my PCC. I love my MP-5 it's expensive but you get what you pay for like the junk made by Ruger and Taurus And and Olympic Arms GL9 both are loads of fun
I’m not sure what use I’d have for a PCC but who knows I may end up getting one. In which case you’ve given me some great information. Thanks for another great video as always.
I still say Ruger PCC chassis edition the best 9mm on the market after you set it up with the total MCarbo kit. Once you know it’s limitation, and get comfortable with it, it’s a shooter.
FX-9 is my favorite.. I have a glock 17 & 23..in KPOS Chassis..which are also nice..MP5 has always been prohibited in Canada..or I'm sure I would have one..never seen a Banshee..I have a TNW 9mm carbine..I have an old Brno...9mm/wood stock..
Algo Rythmn. Agree Extar punches above its weight class. I'd check out a Banshee next if in the market thanks to you. < 16" these are probably PCPs not PCCs. And consider swearing less to appeal to wider audience - but you do you man. Hope the tat came out as you wanted! Thx!
I agree. Braced pistols are not the same as pistol caliber carbines. A pistol caliber carbine is a carbine chambered for a pistol caliber, not a pistol configured to get around the SBR provisions of the NFA. Ruger PC Carbine, Auto Ordnance Thompson, the old Marlin Camp Carbine, even the lever actions in .357 mag, .44 mag, and .45 colt are pistol caliber carbines.
The Tri-lug setups are cool but you can only use them on pistol cartridges. I use the Griffin armament Cam-Lok setup. I can use my 9mm suppressor on my 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 without changing endcaps.
For the money I think the Ruger pcc is hands down the best value. I have over 5 k rounds thru mine and it will go 900 rounds thru mine before you get an occasional miss feed.
I've got an Angstadt UDP-9 that I absolutely love! It's my favorite gun I own. I'd love to see you do a review on either it or the new roller delayed MDP-9.
I own the scorpion and love it. Iv shot the stribog, vector and ar9 and I gotta say for the price and my personal taste scorpion is 100% best iv shot. I want to try a hk mp5 but I really don't see the reason for cost. Great video btw
35000 cup I beg to differ 9 mm is not low pressure I'm just saying by the way no disrespect I like your Channel same pressure as 40 Smith & Wesson now 45 ACP 38 Special I would classify those as low pressure
I'm 66 years old and was shooting a .410 over and under when I was 5. We have come a long way.........stay safe my 2nd Amendment friends!!!!
The first gun my dad bought me to be "mine" was a single shot 410 at 8 years old, 12 years ago. It was a good gun to learn on. I think he got it for me because his 12 gauge kicked me into the ground.
.410 over/under awesome 👍
I'm 45 and my first gun was a bolt action 22. A box of 50 was 50 cents and I'd work for 50 cents a day and buy a box at the local gas station. Shoot 50 a day. My friend had a 3 round semi auto 410 for his first gun... We couldn't really afford much ammo. We were what 7yo maybe just walking around shooting stuff. Now I feel like the government doesn't want me to have a 22 pistol.
I shot my first deer at 6 with Stevenson single shot 20 ga
We’ve almost fallen back to the sticks lol
Love the Banshee! CMMG has AR mags with 9mm internals so you can run your 9mm Banshee upper with standard AR lowers. One lower with 3 - 4 different uppers makes for a lighter load to haul to the range 😎👍
i need more uppers
2:17 Extar EP9
6:01 Freedom Ordnance FX-9, Grand Power Stribog SP9A1, CZ Scorpion
6:59 CMMG Banshee
11:10 Sig MPX
14:24 HK SP5K
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No FoxTrot 9?
The internet appreciates you
No B&T???
CMMG makes some very nice PCC's. I ran my first USPSA PCC competition today with my Resolute 300. She purred like a kitten and was a tack driver. It was almost like I couldn't miss if I tried. I was very impressed and she is a soft shooter. This is quickly becoming my favorite gun! Shootability, reliability, and a decent price point what's not to like!
The Ruger PC Charger is the best value in the market. It’s half the price of the Banshee 9mm and 1/3 the price of the MPX. It’s a metal upper, a takedown, and accepts Glock mags as well.
Sub 2k
Is that technically a pistol though? I live in Maryland and it's extremely hard to legally buy a pistol but anyone over 18 can buy a rifle or shotgun with just the standard background check. To buy a handgun you have to do all sorts of classes and get licenses and stuff and I just want a good 9mm carbine to keep in the house I feel super uncomfortable not having a firearm. I was looking at the high point 9mm carbine mainly because of the price point
@@murf493 not sure which one you’re talking about sub 2000 is technically a rifle I believe all the other ones can be gotten with either pistol or rifle receivers
@@murf493 pc charger is a pistol, I’m pretty sure the 2k is a pistol also since it shoots 9 or like what the guy above said
Ruger should make it in 10mm
Owned the EP9 for 3 years or so and had 3-4k rounds through it and still functions perfectly. Highly recommend also very light weight which is what I want from a SBR style pistol.
What mods do you have on it?
So glad to be looking and videos and researching firearms that Ive never been able to own here in California. I will be saying good bye to California for good in 2 weeks. Ive already gotten rid of most of my guns, and am in a hurry to start my collection with some new stuff. My wife and I purchased a 12.3 acre property just outside of Fort Worth, something we would have never been able to afford here in California. She and my kids have been there since August, but I stayed behind to finish up all of our affairs. In 2 weeks though, I will be hitting the road to my new home. I'm so fucking excited. Be kind to my family and I Texas. No need to leave blue state politics behind in California, because I have never had them.
Have fun man, you can carry as soon as you show up without having to go pay the lawman too as of Wednesday!
That is wonderful. So happy for you and your family. Keep TX bright RED. One day for me and mine too I hope. We are stuck in Seattle for now.
Good luck, brother. I just left Kalifornia also. Was there for 13 years. Ridiculous Democrat-controlled lunacy - anti 2A. So happy to be back in the USA (NM in my case). First thing I did was buy a bunch of 30rd mags, lol.
Stop voting for Democrats please
@@docequis9796 he said he doesn't vote for Democrats...
Another great Honest Outlaw review. CMMG's delayed blowback system is great. Hoping for a review of full length PCCs like high end JP (GMR 15 or JP-5) and budget ones like base model Ruger PCC ( $400-$430 pre pandemic).
I got the Ruger with MLOK for $508. Love it, but the cheaper base model is noticeably lighter.
CMMG is an AR style. I think you mean the MP5, SP5 & copies like the PTR
The Extar EP9 is in my opinion the best bang for the buck. Thanks to you for reviewing it.
Ruger PCC *
he has a extar i wish he added it
His reviews last year are why I got it -- my first firearm. It has always been a pleasure to work with. BTW the price went up to $449 last year (just before I bought mine). Still, the price is as low as it is because it's sold direct to the public by the manufacturer: no middlemen. So that low price in no way reflects a lower quality of manufacture.
By far my favorite gun.
I got my extar ep9 because of him. Sooooo much fun to shoot and have no issues so far.
I just bought the Extar EP9 (being delivered this week) because of your review. For the money I figured "why not?" I have a ton of Glock mags and 9mm ammo. Looking forward to trying out my first PCC. Thanks man.
How is it? Lived up to expectations?
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I like the Ruger PC. Reasonable price and genuinely good engineering as well as being use in law enforcement in certain restrictive areas… Can’t complain
I love the ruger platform too can’t go wrong and I’m accurate with it.
But I do crave the ability to swap different uppers.
That said… you can by a full size and pc charger for the price of most ar platform 9 😂
@@mitch8710 very true, my biggest selling point the Ruger had was interchangeable mag wells so I can use magazines that I already have, awesome idea IMO
To be honest I'd take a cheap MAC 10 or MAC 11 over anything in this video. The MAC 10 and MAC 11 have one thing that make them more compact, they are grip loaded. So even attaching a tube and brace to a MAC still makes it much more compact than anything on this list. Not to mention they are cheap, super reliable, cheap magazines, pre threaded barrels to easily attack suppressors, fake suppressors, barrel extensions etc. So if it is just about an actual pistol that is high capacity and on the smaller side even with a brace attacked, it is hard to beat a MAC 10 or MAC 11. Just look at how much more compact a MAC with a brace is compared to everything else in this video. Hands down, the MAC wins. Also, besides the AR15 in the video, there are way more aftermarket parts for the MAC than anything else in the video, and you can swap uppers on the MAC just like you can with an AR15.
@@chrisgullett4332 new drinking game: take a shot every time you see “MAC” in that comment lol 😂
I just picked one of those up! Haven't shot it yet!
Just picked up an ARV-9 by PSA for $700 and it’s amazing. I’ve run 300ish rounds with no issues. 8” barrel with a nice brace. Great for the money and useful.
If you can get a grinder, welder and drill, you can buy mp5 parts and build one for around 1,500. There's good build series on yt. I've built a mp5 and an mp5sd. I even did the barrel headspacing and pinning myself for the first time on the SD. You will need a shop press for that, but if your willing to invest in tools, you can build guns for half the price of their retail cost and it feels awesome shooting guns YOU made.
Imma learn soon and invest and the tools
@@brazybeast346 if you got questions hit me up. Happy to help if u want.
You sir are my hero. Im working on my 1st P80 but your living the dream.
Q is, for the money rate #1, Banchee, Sig MPX Copperhead or CZ Scorpion?
You might have some surprise visits from the ATF too!
Got myself a fx-9 10” a couple months ago and love it after about 550 rounds. Zero failures🇺🇸
That's nice to know. Thx. I just got mine with an 8" barrel and haven't gotten around to shooting it yet.👍🏾
@@teflondonii9298 I recommend getting out there and treating yourself to a nice afternoon of shooting sometime soon. Bring friends to show it off🇺🇸 I put a red dot on mine and love it!
I think I love my Extar EP9 more every time I shoot it. Super reliable, light as a feather, no recoil, dead nuts accurate and they recommend you shoot steel ammo. What’s not to like?
That steel ammo doesn't jam it up?
@@taylorsessions4143 why would that make you dislike that haha
@@BaritoneMonkey that doesn't make me dislike it, I'm just asking how it handles the steel ammo. If it handles it will that's super impressive!
@@taylorsessions4143 oh I see haha. Well, the manufacturer actually straight up recommends Tula steel case by name (and don't recommend any other brand specifically IIRC), so I'd guess it works flawlessly with it!
Just ordered an Extar EP9 today - if only my local range allowed steel case!
@@BaritoneMonkey congrats, I wish I had ordered one when they were still cheap and available!
My Stribog SP9A3 has been absolutely flawless. Nothing to complain about and i just enjoy the look
I'd love to see a rifle version of this including the Ruger PC carbine "16.
I would like to see something other than pistols in the pistol caliber “carbine” review… calling them PCC’s is just agreeing with the ATF that they are really SBR’s
@@Cbockhoff kinda why I ask for rifles. Nj is a comi state lol
@@Cbockhoff One would think that the community videographers would know by now not to shoulder them on camera. The one argument for them is they enable disabled people the ability to fire a pistol. Why poke the bear?
@@troya1495
I don’t think you understand what he was saying. This was a PCC review. That basically means rifles or SBRs that use a “pistol cartridge.” I would assume the Ruger PCC and the Ruger Charger we’re eligible here.
@@troya1495 same here in NY
I bought the GP Stribog SP9A3, a few years ago, finally breaking 1k rounds, reinforced straight mags, no hiccups but I used all FMJs of whatever I can get(thanks Brandon, FJB), happy camper. Looking to get more mags of the curved variety when financing isn't an issue.
CZ Scorpion is the best for the money without doubt, awesome sights, ergos are stellar if you get a $5 safety delete, reliable as hell, and for around $800 when the next "best" PCC is the banshee being over $1200 with worse magazines...
Brigade arms makes a great pcc totally made in USA and of great quality for the money I have the 5.5 inch BM9 version and I love it. I have it set up as a bedside gun with a light and a green dot optic.
I've had my extra for about 3 years now and it is awesome no malfunctions at all and super light
#1 HK SP5
#2 HK SP5K PDW
#3 HK UMP 45
#4 B&T APC9 PRO
#5 B&T APC9K PRO
Hello fellow Iowan! I went with the CZ. To me its the perfect balance of reliability, customizability, and price. Plus it looks cool lol.
Love my PTR 9CT. Never had any problems. Spare parts everywhere.
I feel like you can't go wrong with any of these. Likes my friends scorpion and I love the cmmg. I settled on an MPX k gen 2.5 🤣. Amazingly accurate so much fun and haven't had a single issue. Mags you can find for $50. Only down side is VERY small rail. Accessories are difficult to find homes for but a magwell grip feels great with it. Anyways. VERY happy! Great video!
What was the give for that fine gun?
Daughter is a lefty so Beretta CX4 Storm it was; ambi isn't that easy to find. She's loving it. Threw a little Holosun AEMS on it for her first red dot. Happy with it so far.
+1 for Foxtrot Mike. My 7in side charger is my go-to house gun
I’ve got a 5” and 10” upper for mine, really like this firearm!
I have a Hi-Point 995 PCC with a fore grip and a threaded barrel.
My FX-9 has been my favorite purchase ever, I love shooting that thing and upgrading a bit to a gucci PCC. Really love the size of it since I'm a small guy with little levers (arms) and that size is just perfect for something to go plinking with. Plus as much as an HK SP5K is my dream gun, I can't justify that much money for it yet
I'm in the same boat with SAA revolvers.
I got a heritage .22lr (which also takes a .22mag cylinder) and love shooting my SAA .45lc but ammo is so much money and .45lc is so rare that the heritage .22lr gets all the use.
I'd love a banshee but can't justify that price even b/c I'd rather get the FX-9 and a case of ammo.
What barrel length did you go with?
@@bigjerm210ify I got the 8" barrel, 4" felt like a handgun with a big brace to me. The 8" with a front angled grip and a red dot is very easy to shoot. I upgraded the brace too which helped.
@@Fishbone8891 I just bought one with the 8in barrel and SBA3 brace. It shoots very well.
the best part of this video is that this is like a sampling of the PCC market. K-USA KP9, B&T, Stribog, PSA AKV, Ruger charger. the market on PCCs is huge and i havent found one i havent liked shooting.
I’ve got an “old school” CMMG Mk9 and it’s one of my fav pew pews. Like the solid and cheap steel Colt mags.
Will have to satisfy myself with the Ruger PC Charger. Will take a can and can mount a folding brace.
And a ton of other stuff. Including the FA binary.
Glock mags, 6 1/2” barrel, pic rail, QD, and M-LOK. Fully ambi.
The gun cost me $700 new. Absolutely reliable so far.
How about the Kel-Tec Sub2000? I know some don’t think it worth consideration, but they are small folded up, light, available in 9 and 40, and I have never had problems with the two I have owned. Plus the price can’t be beat. They are not built like a tank and won’t last as long as some of the others, but for the cost you can just buy another one when you destroy it.
I've got a couple as well and I love em. It's funny, I bring my PCCs to the range with friends and it seems like everyone enjoys shooting the S2K's more than the lux AR9's or PC Charger. Maybe it's the trigger? The nice long sight radius?
I have a Extar and a s2k as well and to be honest I loved the s2k right up until i got the Extra. Now the extar is my main home defense firearm. It hasn't had any problems with any ammo i feed in and for some reason it's way more fun to shoot and the more i shoot it the more I know i can depend on it when the time comes. Which is why the cmmg is probably my next purchase after my G19 comes to my ffl😅. Because the cmmg is probably twice as fun and durable than my Extra. That's just my opinion on it.
Really like my Sub2k…carry it in my laptop case!
Keltech is shit..save your money for reliability
@@RSI24 thousands of rounds through my 2 sub2k's and not a single malfunction of any kind. At what point is "reliable enough" reliable enough?
I have the CMMG Banshee in 9mm and boy is it a hoot to shoot with suppressor. Love it.
Considered getting a 10mm or 300blk, but I already have a SBR in 300blk. And 10mm is just too expensive to have fun with for me right now.
Fm-9 the fox mike ar9 is the best for the money got it on sale for under 550 on primary arms havent had a single problem in 1000 rounds of steel case
i'm glad someone posted the FM9. i did my research for a PCC and this one had the best bang for the buck. i got mine on sale also.
Why trust your life with cheap crap
@@hurricane8634 my expensive guns are in the safe, LoLz. same with my expensive ammo. fm-9 is an inexpensive range toy. i keep my EDC close to me at home and several small arms throughout the house.
and no, i don't use my fm9 for EDC. i have a max9 for that.
@@hurricane8634 that gun can probably out shoot your abilitys there big shot
@@bodriebelknap2479 Im sure you just got into guns when covid hit like most people
Woah woah WOAH! Ruger PC carbine. How is that not on the list… like, in #1 spot?!
FoxTrot 9. Takes Glock mags. Runs anything. Reliable. Accurate. Reasonably priced. What else do you need?
my scorpion
I love my FX9.
We talking about the Ruger PC right? 🤣
I don’t get the Glock mag hype. They’re fine mags but they’re not as great to load as a double feed type, like the Scorpion. I load dozens of mags for my G17 and my CZ Scorpion every week. Both function flawlessly, loading the CZ is definitely a better experience(enough to matter)
Fx9 bm9 and udp9
I think the newer S&W M&P FCP is pretty good! $600 and it comes with a folding stock, piccitini rail, mlok, magazine holders, etc. The charging handle is kinda janky, and the bolt release is in a shitty spot that knicks your finger. So I just don't use that. But it works like a charm, and I've gotten used to the charging handle, so it's no biggie!
Would love to hear more about the Mlok handguard on the Extar. Its the one thing I don't like on my EP9!
I think the most important thing is to practice well with the gun and be comfortable to use it blindfolded.
I built out my CZ Scorpion to include a suppressor and red dot and wouldn't trade it for any other PCC. Love the tack driving capability of it. Coupled with hush ammo, there is nothing like the clang of the BCG followed by the thud of the round striking down range. Love the channel and the reviews. Thanks!
Can I ask what you added to your Scorpion? I am on the verge of buying one but I don’t know what I would need to add to turn it into my dream PCC.
@@PR-it2ys I added the Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot. HB Industries CZ Scorpion M LOK Handguard, hand stop, folding stock, mag release, safety selector and the lug adaptor. Lot's of stuff from that website. A magpul quick release sling and attachments and grip.
I do wanna get a cz scorpion micro k but can’t decide between cz or banshee? I like the ergonomics and style of scorpion
@@manaboiman scorpion
I'm fine with my Hi-Point.I'm sure if it really SHTF,there will be opportunities to upgrade if I wish.Or someone might look down on me and laugh at my Hi-Point.More to do with skill and not making any mistakes,than the name on your gun.Or even the caliber..If it comes down to being on foot.9mm is a good choice to have in carbine and handguns.One ammo with higher chances of finding.
No Foxtrot Mike tho? Love my FM9
CZ Scorpion takes the cake for me. Havent tried the SP9 or the FX9, but Ive shot the others and the HK is the only one of these that comes close.
The micro or pistol?
Would love to see you review the B&T GHM9 or APC9
I bought a CMMG Barrel and matching bolt and put it in a Gibbz side charging upper. ZR Tactical lower with a Velocity Trigger. It's awesome!
I'd like to see a 1000 round test of the Ruger PC 9mm vs the far lower cost Hi-Point 9mm. Two affordable highly sought after rifles. Thumbs up on this video. 👍👍👍👍👍
I feel like this PCC deserves more of a review. I would love to see you do a review on it as well. It is called the Brigade BMF9 AR9. I have a 9 inch im close to a thousand rounds and it's running like a champ including LRBHO.
Love my Brigade. Got the 9 inch tungsten and it is great.
Just ordered my MPX today, can't wait...😄
F’n A. Love that Banshee!! Need one. What’s your take on the Ruger PC9 Charger?
If I remember correctly he really liked it, especially for the money(around $600) & the fact that you can takedown the barrel and put on a folding brace, making it one of the smallest PCPs (taken down) in the business (besides the APC9K & MCX Copperhead)
Had 1, sold it because it requires tools to disassemble and reassemble. Nothing wrong with it, but I don't like tools for disassembly/field stripping
@@rawkemsawkem3328 really?! I have no experience with it, but I thought from a few reviews I’ve seen, you push a button & give it a quarter turn & the barrel and handguard detach without tools…
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 to do a takedown you don't need any tools. To disassemble and clean it requires you to use an allen wrench to remove the charging handle and stock. I find that the reciprocating charging handle likes to work itself loose without some threadlocker which adds to the annoyance.
@@carbiner76 👍 gotcha. That does sound annoyig especially when compared with an AR-9 of some sort
Ruger PC carbine 3rd gen with some goodies from Mcarbo and Jawbone Tactical mag release. Love it. Takes Glock and Ruger mags with a little change.
Love seeing all the guns lined in front of him through the reflection of his glasses 😂
am subscriber of Demolition Range and Kentucky Ballistics, but got attractd when you started reviewing those guns not featured there, I like your reviews on the pistol carbines, those small portable firearms with semi-auto functions. keep them going!
No info on my 2 favorite pccs the Beretta Storm carbine and the Ruger pcc. The Beretta comes in 9 40 and 45. i lovemty storm carbine in 45 super accurate and great to put a crimson trace on. I am a ruger guy so I have it in 9.
Fuckin’ awesome video. You were on a tear with this one. Loved it.
As of 5/31 West Coast Nevada, CZ Scorpions ( 9mm) are $1,200. They're going for Rifle prices in Northern Nevada.
In my home-built 9mm carbine, I use 9mm +P ammo--it's a rifle action, and with an adjustable buffer, it's totally reliable...
Foxtrot mike 9mm?
Have the fx-9 and scorpion. Both are stupid reliable, and still reasonably priced. Got the fx-9 for $700 and the scorpion for $900
Ok...I know that I do not "know you"; I nonetheless believe that "Honest Outlaw" is a great representation of who you are. I appreciate your content and the depth of your input in evaluating the equipment that you critique on here. Please keep up the good work.
Cmmg is great! Exact ergonomics any AR person is familiar with(no extra training). The mags are compatible with EDC. Very light and well balanced for quick acquisition. Accurate and easy shooting. It’s an AR mini, so no extra crap to buy.
I don't have a lot of experience with the other PCCs, but I love my Angstadt Arms UDP-9.
I'm from Missouri so you know I got that Banshee mk4
Man, such a good time to be alive with all these choices
Great lineup - I’m mostly running either PSA AKV w/ALG trigger or adapting a Glock to the Flux Defense brace and Recover Tactical 20/20 brace... but my CZ Scorpions are my favorites.
Great assessment
Only dig I have on the Banshee is the reliability of the ejector spring over time.
Roller delayed blowback for cmmg
My mom loved mine so much she got one to
I’m surprised you didn’t check out the Brigade BM9. It’s actually got a lower recoil than most.
I was just at the Scheels in Des Moines and they had 3 used Scorpion EVO 3 S1s for about $900. Almost got one, but decided against an impulse buy. They’re probably still there if you’re in the market for one right now.
I love my PCC. I love my MP-5 it's expensive but you get what you pay for like the junk made by Ruger and Taurus And and Olympic Arms GL9 both are loads of fun
Chris you are COOL!
I’m not sure what use I’d have for a PCC but who knows I may end up getting one. In which case you’ve given me some great information. Thanks for another great video as always.
I still say Ruger PCC chassis edition the best 9mm on the market after you set it up with the total MCarbo kit. Once you know it’s limitation, and get comfortable with it, it’s a shooter.
FX-9 is my favorite..
I have a glock 17 & 23..in KPOS Chassis..which are also nice..MP5 has always been prohibited in Canada..or I'm sure I would have one..never seen a Banshee..I have a TNW 9mm carbine..I have an old Brno...9mm/wood stock..
I pulled together an Aero EPC 9mm for about $700. Need to really "grease up" the BCG but it shoots well and is a whole lotta fun.
I’m curious how his hi point held up
Same here.
It blew up
@@Tommy-bj9zs was there a video?
The Diamondback Arms DB9RPFB7 and the rest of their DB9R series are great options starting at around $800.
I don’t see a Ruger PC Charger in the thumbnail...
bc it fails to feed a lot of dif hollow points
That's because you need $2000 worth of shooting lessons to even attempt to shoot it 25% as reliably as a rifle... 😃
Algo Rythmn. Agree Extar punches above its weight class. I'd check out a Banshee next if in the market thanks to you. < 16" these are probably PCPs not PCCs. And consider swearing less to appeal to wider audience - but you do you man. Hope the tat came out as you wanted! Thx!
I agree. Braced pistols are not the same as pistol caliber carbines.
A pistol caliber carbine is a carbine chambered for a pistol caliber, not a pistol configured to get around the SBR provisions of the NFA.
Ruger PC Carbine, Auto Ordnance Thompson, the old Marlin Camp Carbine, even the lever actions in .357 mag, .44 mag, and .45 colt are pistol caliber carbines.
Check out the Brigade Manufacturing AR platform. I have the BM 9 and runs like a champ
Remember when we all started buying up every PCC, because it was so much cheaper to shoot than 556. The good ole days back 4yrs ago.
MPX gen 1 gen 2 trigger is what sold me like butter
Love my freedom ordinance fx9 8 "barrel.
The CZ Scorpion (pistol) would definitely be my first choice followed by the CMMG Banshee!
The Tri-lug setups are cool but you can only use them on pistol cartridges. I use the Griffin armament Cam-Lok setup. I can use my 9mm suppressor on my 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 without changing endcaps.
Huge fan personally of my Kalashnikov USA KP-9. Also in the process of building a Banshee 9mm, so we'll see how that stacks up!
This still holds up.
For the money I think the Ruger pcc is hands down the best value. I have over 5 k rounds thru mine and it will go 900 rounds thru mine before you get an occasional miss feed.
I've got an Angstadt UDP-9 that I absolutely love! It's my favorite gun I own. I'd love to see you do a review on either it or the new roller delayed MDP-9.
I own the scorpion and love it. Iv shot the stribog, vector and ar9 and I gotta say for the price and my personal taste scorpion is 100% best iv shot. I want to try a hk mp5 but I really don't see the reason for cost. Great video btw
Love it even if my mpx takes a hit. I do have the third gen though about 500 rounds in and one failure to eject
Time for a 2023 version! How does the TTI TR-9 stack up? B&T SPC9? JP-5?
Just got a cz skorp micro, love it so far.
Of course you don't have the Hi-Point 10MM or 40SW Carbines on here...and they are hands down best value in a carbine.
And they are carbines, not pistols like we saw here.
No AKV? I’ve had most of these and the PSA AKV has got to be my favorite.
How many other pccs have you shot, which ones? I'm still trying to decide on one
What about a kriss Vector. .45acp, 9mm, 10mm. I got a 9mm for $1400 and has been a blast and very reliable and fast follow-ups.
I'm surprised the ruger PC charger wasn't in this video!
35000 cup I beg to differ 9 mm is not low pressure I'm just saying by the way no disrespect I like your Channel same pressure as 40 Smith & Wesson now 45 ACP 38 Special I would classify those as low pressure
Love my, CCM Banshee 10mm and 45ACP. My Black Rain in 9mm would only be better if it was in 10mm.
Agree 100 on CMMG! I love it. The CZ is too bulky imo. Prefer the AR. Ty
ANy thoughts about the Ruger PC Charger?