Film noir... Blade Runner... Foggy nights wandering the streets of Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong in the early 90's while in the Marine Corps... Even movies like Collateral (one of my all-time favorites). I never understood why experiences like this had such a profound effect on me over the course of my life. Thanks to your work, now I know. Finally, someone has given a voice, a vision, a reason, for all that I've loved over the years. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Las Vegas came to mind during this video. When I was a young, my father would drive me up and down the strip to look at the all the lights. Being a “small town” boy, I was fascinated and drawn to them. Vegas always held that mystery and appeal for me. However, when I last visited it held no mystery or appeal and I couldn’t quite place the reason. Upon returning home I figured out that the way Vegas lights the buildings is no longer the same. Great video. I thoroughly enjoyed learning about something I’ve instinctively felt but never thought about
Another small town boy here, been to Vegas multiple times but only since 2011, and although I was wowed by the scale and grandiosity of everything my first time there (aren't most people?), "old Vegas" as shown in films and as experienced by others has a very unique and interesting appeal that is lacking today IMO.
@@quickcanary As a GenX growing up in the NYC in the late '70s/early '80s, Times Square in the 1980s was thing of seedy, magical, menacing, beauty! Then it became a outdoor shopping mall in the '90s.
I can praise the video, which is amazing, but to focus on a small seemingly uncommented-on detail, man is it uniquely awesome that you post your sources and citations. It's already reflected in your work just by the way you write and compose your videos, but just having it also written down in the description is simply so awesome yet rarely done by others.
You turned a niche topic into a dreamy, nostalgic trip back through time. The music and narrative flow was excellent. Well done and thank you for twenty five minutes of comforting nostalgia.
"Near Dark flashed only once. I immediately recognized Bill Paxton in his role. I went back ten seconds and saw "Near Dark" a vampire movie I barely remember. A reluctant vampire movie shoot at night. From memory that's all I remember. I have to watch it soon now.
Our city used to be lit by yellow-orange (sodium-vapour I'm guessing) streetlights, so that when the snow and ice on the ground was right, the orange-yellow light would bounce off the reflective icey and snowed ground and blanketed the entire covering of low hanging clouds, steeping your visual world from ground to sky into a sort of shimmering pool of orange. It was beautiful. You could, if the crystals of ice in the air were dense enough, sometimes see individual ever widening lances of light reflecting upward above each individual streetlight like a field of light-spears thrown into the ground. It was like a field of lights shining a symbol or signal into the night sky. Now I know they switched to white LED lights for energy consumption, BUT ever larger numbers of them are "half-burning out", they don't go dark but a horribly strong blue LED colour which is both almost useless for night time road lighting, but is terribly ugly as well. Also apparently the city can't afford to keep up replacing the bulbs or something, or they have no replacement. And these lights starting burning out to a dark LED blue within a several years of being installed, so that's not good longevity. They don't really have a solid plan for replacing them, I think it's basically 'enough have to burn out to a terrible LED blue to make it a budgetable repair, and we don't have any energy efficient alternatives'
Growing up in the 80s and 90s I have a fondness for the old, warm sodium glow of the night. Some of the comments here, such as how things easily lurk between the sodium glow, are bang on, and evocative of a bygone age. Great video essay.
It is pretty funny how people were saying very similar things about sodium street lamps when they were first introduced as they're now saying about LED street lamps. They had a decent point back then about how sodium lamps don't allow color vision (but purchase cost, efficiency, and lifetime won out as mentioned in the video), and now we're annoyed about LED street lighting that brings back color vision (and again wins out in cost, efficiency, and lifetime) 😂 edit: I mean, I get it. That's the whole point of this video. Reminds me of how we think about playing N64 games on a CRT - a beautiful visual experience that has met "a slow demise to the unstoppable force" of new technology, to quote the video
@@Concorde1059Yes, but they could pick different LED lighting. They just choose to pick brighter probably because it's cheaper or something. I hate it because it affects my sleeping plain and simple and it's so much brighter that I can't see the stars. It's more depressing. And it doesn't just affect humans. It affects wildlife LEDs brightness has been shown to impact local wildlife in the way that the orange glow lights that we used to have were not as impactful. Night is supposed to be dark not the other way around. We light it up for some individuals benefit at the cost of others. Light pollution is actually very bad. I don't have blackout blinds, which come with their own disadvantage like not waking up naturally to the natural sunrise. So it's ironic that I have to keep the lights on, but I actually switch my LED lights for LEDs that mimic fire. I can actually sleep through that color, but I can't sleep through the traditional light glow very well. I thought the orange ones were bad too. But now I'm just depressed. I don't even live in the big city and yet the big city comes for me, urbanism increasing development and taking over. And lighting's just one of those things that reminds me of the thing I have lost.
@@milliedragon4418 I'm trying to understand your situation, but I'm failing. "Night is supposed to be dark" seems to be a reductive take on the need for street lighting. After all, there's a reason street lighting became ubiquitous after the tech became cheap and reliable. There's an enormous societal and economic benefit to lighting, but I do agree with you on the point of sleep impact. In my view, the reason that lighting has become so intrusive is due to the mass dominance of our urban areas by the automobile. In dense, walkable areas, street lighting isn't as necessary and is less intrusive. Just my two cents. Have a great day!
Not only the death of neon but the death of fluorescent lighting which I’d argue is even more impactful as it was more widely used. LED lighting just doesn’t look the same whether captured in celluloid or digital
One of the few ways I feel LED lighting looks good is in Black & White. I've done some amateur school projects where I've preferred LED street lights for particular scenes and moods. It's a different vibe.
I can forgive losing an aesthetic of an era to actually make progress towards saving energy and through that having a net positive effect on energy consumption and helping our environment. We don't light our streets and homes in a widespread manner with gas. Give it enough decades something will replace LED, and then up and coming generations will bemoan the loss of that aesthetic. It's simply a cycle.
Obviously, LEDs are here to stay--I just hope lighting authorities move away from 4000k, because yes it very much is prison lighting and basically every human being alive hates it. 2700-3000 is about the right mix of usable light and "this doesn't make me feel crazy"
It's funny he mentions LA doing the change in lighting temp... I haven't seen that anywhere else. Where I live in a major coastal city it's all bright white. I suppose it fits the general attitude of the government to the people, which is completely inhumane and uncaring. Prison lighting for a prison population.
Man... I'm glad I visited Hongkong in 2011. It's kinda weird that I'm getting emotional right now over advertising signs. But as someone from a country with strict light pollution laws, going out at night in HK felt magical. Thank you for this video.
I was lucky enough to visit HK and the iconic (now redeveloped) Kowloon City in 1997 - it was *unbelievable* - HK was a Jackie Chan Movie by day; high concept science fiction by night I really REALLY miss the pre-9/11 world 😪
Same here. The ending annoyed me a bit (a taxi driver killing a world-class assassin? really?) but it was dripping with style and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time.
@@digitalcamaro9708at first it doesnt make sense, but then you notice Vincent always uses the same shooting technique. 2 shots in the sternum and one in the head. Almost compulsively. Vincent berates Max because he cant improvise, he always follows the same pattern. And in the end that's what gets Vincent killed, he doesnt adapt and continues to shoot the same way, causing him to hit the Steel door (you can actually see the dents on the door) while Max just blindly shoots improvising. I think that's what they were going for.
I was only discussing this a few weeks back with a pal. Heat, Collateral, Blade Runner, The Driver, Terminator...the list of great movies set at night goes on and those fillms now document a 'look' that has vanished from our urban environments. It's a damn shame! Collateral is so specific in how it wants to capture the range of light in LA. We will never get a film that looks like it again, sadly.
This feels like the video essay I’ve been waiting for for so long, you have crystallised and fleshed out my exact thoughts on street lighting and in relation to movies, incredible work
That shot from Koyaanisqatsi at 5:40 is one of my absolute favourite shots of all time. It's so alien and sci-fi, futuristic, like we've colonized the whole world into rectangles. Ughhh it's just so good! It's just so dope!
Setting aside neon, I remember as a kid growing up and those orange sodium oxide streetlamps were everywhere. They're all gone now. I know there are theories about them increasing crime or whatever, but I do miss the old look streets had with them. Old halogen/incandescent lights in general have a quality that LEDs lack, regardless of color.
Night walks around the suburbs used to be a staple of me keeping my sanity. These days I simply cannot relax while on them due to the harsh sharp nature of LED lights. Though I know that most people just don't care enough or even notice a difference in lighting, so I guess they're here to stay.
Due to the positive effects of chromatic dispersion amber colors are far better at illuminating foggy and rain-hindered highways. This is why HPS high mast lighting will probably not go away in the immediate future.
Did you pull that out of your ass? Making purple LEDs is a whole another thing, and no amount of phosphor degradation will make white LED appear purple. Chromatic dispersion? Most HPS lights have craptastic glare control compared to anything remotely competent with LEDs, and yes there is a standard for that (EN 13201), and yes there is a specification for glare from the light and glare from the road reflection. So yeah, HPS is deader than dead.
At least in terms of the purple LEDs thing, this is a known issue due to phosphor delamination inside the lamp www.scientificamerican.com/article/streetlights-are-mysteriously-turning-purple-heres-why/
Collateral, Drive, and Nightcrawler all give off the same feeling to me, like it’s their own specific genre. L.A Neo-noir crime drama I think can perfectly describe it. I wish there were more movies like it. I’m always trying to discover more movies like them
If you haven't watched it yet, I'd point you toward Nicolas Winding Refn's show Too Old to Die Young. Its pace isn't for everyone but it has one of the most interesting visions of neo-noir L.A. to come out in some years.
@thedissilent2548 On that LA Neo-Noir crime drama tip, I'd also highly recommend Friedkin's To Live and Die in LA. It's certainly one of the originators of that very specific, post-modern ennui, atmospheric audiovisual vibe - and definitely one of the very best too, IMO. It really gets under your skin!
And something different, besides my other comment, there is a real big problem with how we humans are making our world uglier. This bit about Hong Kong is just really sad, yet I see it on so many levels, in so many places around the world. We really need to educate young people about beauty, because without beauty life is dull.
Hill took it even further in Streets of Fire (1984) since it was a fictional city he created. It went on to influence the look of the videogame Streets of Rage and the anime Bubblegum Crisis, both soaked in neon.
I've looked back on sodium vapor light with nostalgia for some time now. We still have a good number where I live, but along with LED headlights I've become aware of how fleeting the lighting of my childhood is. Bright yellow headlights and the orange glow of the streetlights that I used to try to read or play gameboy with as a kid are comforting to me, and more and more they're relegated to the more industrial and run down places where they sharpen the edge to those places. I find christmas lighting nostalgic in a similar way, it's not "lost", but it feels like an anachronism that especially since the pandemic has seen less and less usage in my area.
Sodium-vapor has such a dreamy charm in my mind. I remember loving the night as a child, mostly because of them. Peaceful orange landscapes enveloped in placid and velveteen cumulus skies of shifting and juxtaposing reds and purples. It felt as though the world of dreams had come to visit.
LEDs and HIDs are a SCOURGE when it comes to headlights and I wish governments would start banning them going so high in lumen production. I commute before the sun comes up yet I spend half of it averting my eyes or wearing sunglasses to avoid going blind, and there is ZERO reason anyone even commercial trucks need half the lumens their vehicles crank out let alone their actual output
Man that orchestra of sicky light bouncing off the marine layer was my sole companion on way home back home in LA a decade ago when I was a junior banker. Honestly loved the moody quiet light to decompress in, watching the dance of night shift guys going home, drunks, homeless, guys coming in for Asian market open, guys doing fuck knows what. Definitely played up in my head that I was in some noire shit on those decompression drives to try to make those old hundred hour weeks feel like I was doing something real and hard and meaningful. Its kind of funny thats gone along with that part of my life, and frankly didnt even know it went away once I left.
It would never have occurred to me that something as matter-of-fact as the streetlights in a city would make such a difference in how a movie looks and feels to an audience.
Just wow. Banger after banger. I have a few youtubers I hold up as my all-time favorites, and over the last year after finding your videos, you have basically beaten the old favorites into bloody piles. I subscribed for notifications, which I never do, and I don't get the notifications and actually manually check your channel for new videos. Your deep dives are such a refreshing counter to the shallow trash of mainstream UA-cam. I go back and rewatch your Wong Kar Wai and Fallen Angels videos frequently, and I've rewatched all of your videos at least a few times. You and I seem to like the same kind of films, or at least obsess over the same films. Not an expectation, but it's definitely cool. I may be the only one, but even color temperature matching to tungsten, the light still isn't the same. I've messed with a lot of LED COB lights, LED grid lights, and even LED video walls for lighting, and no matter what I do, it's just not the same. Maybe it's just my old cynical eyes.
Always cool to hear that the videos about my strange little obsessions are connecting so well with people, I really appreciate the support. And as for LED, while it definitely has its place in the modern cinematographer/gaffer's toolkit, it's hard to fully match the characteristics of things like tungsten halogen lamps (let alone the weird imperfect light from old office fluorescents or street lamps). I can totally see why some in the industry today will still accept no substitutes.
I love neon. It's really such a bummer. A lot of classic neon signs for motels/truckstops and casinos in the desert have replaced it with LED. It's like no one has any taste. All about the dollar.
When I was shooting my 16mm feature, I found a downed sodium vapor streetlight on the roadside and salvaged it to light some of the shots of my film. Turning it on at night in your house makes for a strange vibe...
The cities around my location don't have a lot of businesses using LEDs yet. The ones that use them are usually small businesses that use rope LEDs in the window. And your video points out them being directional, and that clarified something I had noticed when looking around at night. When a store has those rope LEDs in their window, their directionality is like a spot light. Looking towards them makes everything else look darker. So even if other stores next door have neon lights or some other colored lights, the brightness and the directionality of the rope LEDs gets in the way of anything that might make a good night time scene. I seen photos of I think it was Japan where they have embraced LEDs. When they're plentiful, then it doesn't get in the way because you have multiple directional LEDs balancing each other. So you still get the romance of a neon lit night scene. Plus a multitude of colors. But if it's just a one or a few places, it does take away the romance. Also ruins the other side of the street because you get a dominating staccato reflection in any windows for rope LEDs. I would bet that somebody will come up with LEDs in a diffusion tube to simulate the glow of neon lights. Bring back the romance. I do love the art and craft of making neon lights. Would hate to see it disappear completely.
I have a bunch of LED strip lights that are diffused to look like neon, you have to get pretty close to make out the individual LEDs. The trade off is that light only comes out of one edge of the rectangular strip which has pros and cons. Replicating the full tube effect would be difficult because fairly thick wires need to be hidden within, can be done with larger tubes but not so much with small diameter like neons.
@@ExplorerLoki I was thinking someday somebody may come out with LEDs inside a tube that has a combination of internal reflector to scatter the light, and translucent exterior to give the glow.
@gregorylagrange I hope so. Putting aside environmental concerns for a moment, nothing compares to real neon. The lights I have are flexible so they can be made into a sign/image by the user, maybe rigid LED tubes that are custom made at the factory would be feasible.
@@ExplorerLoki I have the same type of LED's in my bedroom and I really like the warm diffused light they produce. I could see someone coming up with a version with a flat core with diodes on both sides and diffusing tubes on both sides that could closely mimic the 360° light of a neon tube.
something i like about LEDs in LA are the 2019 defects that come out as purple, absolutely love the look it gives on camera and i’ve been trying to capture as much as i can since this little error will probably only exist in this time for about 5 years lol
A local bowling alley is still maintaining their old neon sign. It's a nice touch of warmth against the harsh radiation of commerce that surrounds it. I hope they never take it down.
I watched this video a few weeks ago and my thoughts keep returning to the topic. I had never thought about the impact of streetlight technology on the look and feel of urban movies before.
Great video! This is something I have always noticed and tried to articulate when talking about a certain look of films from different eras. Especially New York films. They always had that cold blue aesthetic that just let you know it was NY. Love your work man, keep doing what you’re doing.
Thank you for the video. Very well done. I was a big fan of Hong Kong movies during the 80's, espescially Wong Kar Wai's movies (in particular, Days of Being Wild). For those looking for a sentimental movie about Hong Kong, I would suggest Stanley Kwan's Rouge. While not so much a feast of neon signs, it does an excellent job of contrasting the past with the (then) present.
Michael Mann puts on a masterclass in digital street photography later on in his career with Miami Vice. I dont know a single other movie that looks like that. And the nu metal phil collins cover is just the cherry on top. Great video btw! The algorithim just recommended it to me even though i watched your video on The Ring back when it dropped. Should have subbed then but glad i have the oppurtunity to now.
Incredibly cool video. Where I grew up we through many different kinds of streetlights when I was growing up, and I always thought about how different they made me feel when they changed. Orange always felt enticing and mysterious, but when it switched to a quite blue LED I felt more uncomfortable moving around. It's absolutely nostalgia, and no-one was making movies where I was so the better form of those lights is for the best, but the old orange lights really set a mood growing up. Everything is now clean and perfect and I feel nothing seeing it.
Forget streetlights and neon, the worst thing LEDs stared replacing were car headlights. Now everyone driving a car newer than 2017 looks like they're driving with their brights on.
Collateral was one of the best mainstream movies of the decade imo - still slept on by a lot of people.. Great concept for a video, really interesting stuff ❤
I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this stuff. In the netflix film "the engineer" they either messed up color grading really bad or didn't think about how filming on a street with LED lights would break the 1990s immersion
I hadn't considered that at all! Mercury vapor lamps create a look in neo-noir cinema that catches on and bleeds over to horror and action, and now a kind of sickly green LUT is the defacto look of modern blockbusters. Makes a lot of sense.
Great analysis. I'm glad UA-cam finally did me a solid and recommended a video I actually wanted to watch. I've always been fascinated by night lighting and neon.
Italian viewer here: this was exceptional, the title is a little deceiving, it was much more deep, extensive and comprehensive than anticipated, plus it sparked lots of reflection, great job guys!
Ironically, Collateral pioneered a lot of handheld LED lighting techniques for their interior closeups (most notably covering the cab in Velcro so they could stick tiny LED patches wherever they needed eye light or other lights) that are still with us today.
Yeah, Collateral is a gorgeous film to look at, just like Heat or Thief. But is surprises me that although we have all these amazing technological advancements, many of the most beautiful movies I can think of have been made a long time ago. Besides Thief and Heat I think of movies such as: Lawrence of Arabia, Apocalypse Now, Bladerunner, Aliens and In the Mood for Love.
LoA is so overrated at a thematic, theatric, cinematographic, and even story level. The amount of cognitive dissonance and groupthink that comes from that movie is astounding Platoon > Apocalypse now and it isn't even close, there are a LOT of movies that look far superior to LoA/AN/ITMFL/etc but they aren't really talked about because the biggest showings they get are at small international film festivals. Moon is still one of the best movies ever made and outside of the year it was released it's like a ghost to just about everyone
I grew up in the 90s and 2000s in British Columbia. My memories of an urban night are filled with orange lights from this sodium vapor you described. Thank you for clarifying what these lights were.
I’m obsessed with LA’s street lighting. I remember when “prison” LED lighting came to the Wilton / Beverly area. Thankfully it got changed not long after to a warmer tone of LED. Living closer to Pasadena now, where incandescent street lamps still rock their amazing glow.
Thanks for this brilliant (sorry) and engrossing video essay. Edmonton, in Alberta, Canada, never had much of a neon sign culture, but someone there noticed early on and held onto the neon signs as they were being taken down. They now have a 20-odd sign collection in a neon sign "museum" where all the signs are lined up down a street along an old brick warehouse. The effect is... weird.
Thank you so much for making this. I've been a lifelong enthusiasts of lighting tech and I partially credit spaces like what you've shown as starting my interest. There was a mall in NY I used to frequent as a child, had so many setups of neon art and Colored Fluorescent fixtures hung at angles from the ceiling. Its all been ripped out now and replaced with boring led setups, far from the imagination it used to be. I like to call this sort of LED lighting "adulting" or "boring dystopia" as i feel it represents the increasing sameness of it all. There is however, places in this country still left in this world. I am based in Missouri, and on a few occasions I've driven out to the Remains of Metro North Mall. Only a small portion of it is left, the old Macy's is there standing next to all the fake luxury apartments and boring streetlights that replaced the mall. The Macy's still has its original 1000w Mercury vapor parking lot lights, some dead but others still there. Its a small piece of land stuck in 1976 that has brutally staved off time for so long. Going there in person at night is unreal. An accidental preservation of the what the past look liked that you can just go visit if you wanted to. Taken plenty of photos there and of my car in that parking lot. Some day some developer will want to knock down the Macys and put some other crap there, but for now I'll enjoy the solitude there. This video very much helped articulate what I've been feeling about the LED revolution so thank you again for making it. It's also nice to know that other people care about this and its good for us to know the cinematic aspect as well. :) -The Bulbman 4/17/24
I feel this way about John Woo films of the 80's and early 90's. They make Hong Kong feel like a lost world that I am nostolgic for, even though I wasn't even born.
wonderful work, thanks for the historical info. a favorite thing in visiting small midwestern USA towns is getting to see the different old municipal lighting still being used. it feels like walking through memories sometimes and is well worth the drives from the larger metropolis' to witness.
im a midwesterner that visits lots of small towns and ive never even thought about this before. some of the lights in places are ancient, a lot of places still dont even have lights. im going to really pay more attention to this from now on
Great essay on a surprisingly fascinating topic, made all the more interesting by your presentation and thoughtfulness on the matter. We see streetlights change and for a little while it's noticeable. Then, it becomes just another part of the background - but this video made me stop and consider ambient lighting as something more than that. I'd never considered its impact on films though; some beautiful shots here demonstrate the impact of these changes, and a few films to watch and rewatch now - thank you!
It's not just that low pressure sodium vapor lamps are "warmer" or "yellow"-they emit an incredibly narrow range of wavelengths around 590nm, which corresponds to a yellowish-orange hue. This stimulates the L cone (560nm peak) the most, the M cone decently (530nm), and rod cells (monochrome night vision) a bit, but basically does not stimulate the S cone (420nm) at all. All colors of objects are formed by interaction of pigments and a source light, and to see blues the S cell must be stimulated. Blue pigments reflect only blue wavelengths so have nothing to reflect, and red pigments mostly reflect orange. Hence the way the orange cab changed colors: mercury vapor have a wide, spiky spectrum, overwhelmingly in wavelengths smaller than 560nm. As for warmth, wavelengths and mixed light that predominantly stimulate the S cone are generally deemed "cool" and ones that mostly stimulate the L cone are "warm." LPS leaves S out of it and so is "warm." LEDs, even CCT warm ones do and so seem "neutral" or cooler, even if the mix is warm. The spikiness of the distribution seems to be what makes the lights seem sickly. Certain pigments reflect darker than they should, created a splotchy and washed out appearance, even when the light is warm.
haven't finished yet, but my god! the editing is so stylish and smooth! it's rhythmic! perfect topic to since i just ordered Being and Neonness. I honestly despise movies as a medium on the whole, but editing, cinematography, and lighting are the best parts. painting a story with pictures; guiding the audience to play together(!) we the artist. scripts, the industry, and the rest of 'cinema' sucks. not every movies needs a 120+min runtime. it's masturbatory at a point. more short films. like 30-70 mins is nice!
I've thought about this many times about how I have memories that exist in orange-scale. I remember learning that the light of my adolescence was from sodium vapor and I remember when my childhood street changed to LED. This was really great; a real treat
Michael Mann is lighting god and also a location god. Watching HEAT, Miami Vice and Collateral in a movie theater has been my three most memorable cinema experiences.
That was beautiful, collateral was the very first rated r movie that I bought on my own. It holds a very special place in my heart and so does the lighting and my love for cinematography. Amazing work
Thanks for this interesting, thrilling and informed feature! One of my favourite memories is driving through Hong Kong in the frontrow, upper deck on a bus in the mid 1990´s. It was like a dream, floating through a tunnel of light with all these forms that made no sense to me. The signs would be hanging so low that the bus could just pass beneath them. While LEDs might be a huge energy saver, its a lightsource made in hell!
such a good video! I wish I had night photos of hong kong when I went there in 2002. I'm currently in LA and I never took notice of the switch to LED or the effects it would have on photography & film
What a marvelous vid. A true eye-opener. I knew the influence light's got on the said productions, but you lay out the progressions and differences in the impact of cinematic effects of 'a simple thing like streetlights ' so well. 🎉🎉🎉
Came here after watching Collateral and wanting to hear more about how they made it look Like That. Great video! Excited to watch more in the future :)
Now this is a great video on the platform! The title hooked me because Collateral is a great film and Mann is the man! But ended up being as much or more about the use of various lighting technologies in film and IRL than about the movies themselves, which I found both fascinating and...illuminating (sorry!). Love learning new things while being entertained, so thanks!
THANK YOU! I am not losing my marbles when I was disappointed my apartment complex changed its lampposts from sodium vapour incandescent bulbs to LEDs. While I do appreciate the advantages of more areas being better lit (vastly reducing incidents of vandalism and anyone cruising the parking lots searching for unlocked cars), I feel that the soft lighting and intimacy of the older lights has been lost. Night walks around the complex are definitely safer since everything is visible (I swear you can play baseball under these new bulbs lol) but I do miss that soft deep-orange diffused glow of the old lamps.
Your editing is great and narration as well. Amazing work, your channel currently is very underrated but keep the quality consistent and you will gain more exposure eventually. I loved this video, it is already a great resource to study the history of street lights and cinema.
This video is outstanding. Absolutely amazing. I wasn't sure what I was getting when I clicked this, but I was pretty sure it was film-related. I'm a creator myself. I started in painting, music, and graphics which has led me to video today. I'm also an electrician by proxy of my father, and the color of light has always been important to me. When installing lights in homes years ago my father had purchased colder-lights, and I told him that it was the wrong color. Incandescent and neon light are both going extinct, but there will always be artisans who make neon signs in my opinion. A few years ago we did a house for a guy whose daughter was 'sensitive' to everything, and he struggled to purchase hundreds of incandescent bulbs for her very-custom built condo. Those aerial shots with the mix of mercury and sodium vapor are beautiful. You only briefly mentioned the high-rise arc-lights, but those are a part of history I don't even think most people know about.
I watch a lot of video essays and just a small percentage leaves me in awe. This is one of best video essays in this website. At times I struggled to keep up.
My camera professor was adamant that night scenes should be blue and fluorescent, forcing us students to use way too much studio lighting and color grade everything to an unnatural level of blueness. If he had done his research like this video, he would know that night scenes bring blue is just a product of the time, not a standard to strive for.
Im confident that LEDs woll eventually become so versatile that something extremely close to old school neon signage will be possible for much cheaper and with much higher efficiency, in fact I've seen some EL wire setups that get pretty close
I remember going digital and photographing Japan with just the ambient light no flash just capturing the night vibe which you could not do well with film even using B&W and pushing it to the max. This was in 2003 I never went back to film after that.
One more thing I believe is worth noting. The LED arrays used in lights like street lamps, being a literal grid of intense points of light, instead of a single homogeneous glow, cast incredibly strange "pixellated" shadows. Looking at a wall or road surface with the leaves of a tree between it and an LED street light give what can be described as a Minecraft or Digicamo effect. It can be surprising when they change the light outside your house without telling you. Who knows how it will effect film making.
Excellent meditation on the history & impact of street lights on cinema. Thank You 🙏🏼 Much respect for your pacing, clarity of narration, intelligence of your script, and selection of beautiful clips to illustrate your thesis. 👌 I look forward to more of your [very literally] spectacular content. Be Well
Film noir...
Blade Runner...
Foggy nights wandering the streets of Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong in the early 90's while in the Marine Corps...
Even movies like Collateral (one of my all-time favorites).
I never understood why experiences like this had such a profound effect on me over the course of my life.
Thanks to your work, now I know.
Finally, someone has given a voice, a vision, a reason, for all that I've loved over the years.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Las Vegas came to mind during this video. When I was a young, my father would drive me up and down the strip to look at the all the lights. Being a “small town” boy, I was fascinated and drawn to them. Vegas always held that mystery and appeal for me.
However, when I last visited it held no mystery or appeal and I couldn’t quite place the reason. Upon returning home I figured out that the way Vegas lights the buildings is no longer the same.
Great video. I thoroughly enjoyed learning about something I’ve instinctively felt but never thought about
Another small town boy here, been to Vegas multiple times but only since 2011, and although I was wowed by the scale and grandiosity of everything my first time there (aren't most people?), "old Vegas" as shown in films and as experienced by others has a very unique and interesting appeal that is lacking today IMO.
Yeah Vegas sucks now
Downtown still has a more authentic feel, Fremont has classic neon signs on display too
But the Strip is so different now
@@quickcanary As a GenX growing up in the NYC in the late '70s/early '80s, Times Square in the 1980s was thing of seedy, magical, menacing, beauty! Then it became a outdoor shopping mall in the '90s.
@@juniorjames7076 "Then it became a outdoor shopping mall in the '90s." Giuliani, duh.
I can praise the video, which is amazing, but to focus on a small seemingly uncommented-on detail, man is it uniquely awesome that you post your sources and citations. It's already reflected in your work just by the way you write and compose your videos, but just having it also written down in the description is simply so awesome yet rarely done by others.
My respect for a content creator increases tenfold when they put music sources in the description. This is even better
This was a stunning essay, competing with the top tier
You turned a niche topic into a dreamy, nostalgic trip back through time. The music and narrative flow was excellent. Well done and thank you for twenty five minutes of comforting nostalgia.
I probably missed half the video because I kept sending notes to myself of movies to watch/rewatch. Great essay.
"Near Dark flashed only once. I immediately recognized Bill Paxton in his role. I went back ten seconds and saw "Near Dark" a vampire movie I barely remember. A reluctant vampire movie shoot at night. From memory that's all I remember. I have to watch it soon now.
That's the beauty of the pause button. You'll find it too someday, young padawan.
Or in other words; _just watch it again..._
@@honderdzeventien Wait, we can watch UA-cam vids more than once???
Our city used to be lit by yellow-orange (sodium-vapour I'm guessing) streetlights, so that when the snow and ice on the ground was right, the orange-yellow light would bounce off the reflective icey and snowed ground and blanketed the entire covering of low hanging clouds, steeping your visual world from ground to sky into a sort of shimmering pool of orange. It was beautiful. You could, if the crystals of ice in the air were dense enough, sometimes see individual ever widening lances of light reflecting upward above each individual streetlight like a field of light-spears thrown into the ground. It was like a field of lights shining a symbol or signal into the night sky.
Now I know they switched to white LED lights for energy consumption, BUT ever larger numbers of them are "half-burning out", they don't go dark but a horribly strong blue LED colour which is both almost useless for night time road lighting, but is terribly ugly as well. Also apparently the city can't afford to keep up replacing the bulbs or something, or they have no replacement. And these lights starting burning out to a dark LED blue within a several years of being installed, so that's not good longevity. They don't really have a solid plan for replacing them, I think it's basically 'enough have to burn out to a terrible LED blue to make it a budgetable repair, and we don't have any energy efficient alternatives'
Growing up in the 80s and 90s I have a fondness for the old, warm sodium glow of the night. Some of the comments here, such as how things easily lurk between the sodium glow, are bang on, and evocative of a bygone age. Great video essay.
What I remember most about warm lights is BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
It is pretty funny how people were saying very similar things about sodium street lamps when they were first introduced as they're now saying about LED street lamps. They had a decent point back then about how sodium lamps don't allow color vision (but purchase cost, efficiency, and lifetime won out as mentioned in the video), and now we're annoyed about LED street lighting that brings back color vision (and again wins out in cost, efficiency, and lifetime) 😂
edit: I mean, I get it. That's the whole point of this video. Reminds me of how we think about playing N64 games on a CRT - a beautiful visual experience that has met "a slow demise to the unstoppable force" of new technology, to quote the video
@@Concorde1059Yes, but they could pick different LED lighting. They just choose to pick brighter probably because it's cheaper or something.
I hate it because it affects my sleeping plain and simple and it's so much brighter that I can't see the stars. It's more depressing.
And it doesn't just affect humans. It affects wildlife LEDs brightness has been shown to impact local wildlife in the way that the orange glow lights that we used to have were not as impactful. Night is supposed to be dark not the other way around. We light it up for some individuals benefit at the cost of others. Light pollution is actually very bad.
I don't have blackout blinds, which come with their own disadvantage like not waking up naturally to the natural sunrise. So it's ironic that I have to keep the lights on, but I actually switch my LED lights for LEDs that mimic fire. I can actually sleep through that color, but I can't sleep through the traditional light glow very well. I thought the orange ones were bad too. But now I'm just depressed. I don't even live in the big city and yet the big city comes for me, urbanism increasing development and taking over. And lighting's just one of those things that reminds me of the thing I have lost.
@@Conorscorner the warm buzzing of CRT televisions and monitors too. everything had a droning ambient sound.
@@milliedragon4418 I'm trying to understand your situation, but I'm failing. "Night is supposed to be dark" seems to be a reductive take on the need for street lighting.
After all, there's a reason street lighting became ubiquitous after the tech became cheap and reliable. There's an enormous societal and economic benefit to lighting, but I do agree with you on the point of sleep impact.
In my view, the reason that lighting has become so intrusive is due to the mass dominance of our urban areas by the automobile. In dense, walkable areas, street lighting isn't as necessary and is less intrusive.
Just my two cents. Have a great day!
Not only the death of neon but the death of fluorescent lighting which I’d argue is even more impactful as it was more widely used. LED lighting just doesn’t look the same whether captured in celluloid or digital
I hate fluorescent lights
One of the few ways I feel LED lighting looks good is in Black & White.
I've done some amateur school projects where I've preferred LED street lights for particular scenes and moods.
It's a different vibe.
Phosphoresant
I can forgive losing an aesthetic of an era to actually make progress towards saving energy and through that having a net positive effect on energy consumption and helping our environment.
We don't light our streets and homes in a widespread manner with gas.
Give it enough decades something will replace LED, and then up and coming generations will bemoan the loss of that aesthetic.
It's simply a cycle.
Doesn’t Bladerunner 2049 use LEDs??
Obviously, LEDs are here to stay--I just hope lighting authorities move away from 4000k, because yes it very much is prison lighting and basically every human being alive hates it. 2700-3000 is about the right mix of usable light and "this doesn't make me feel crazy"
Exactly, we need to push for 2700k lighting.
Is that why the sun changed
It's funny he mentions LA doing the change in lighting temp... I haven't seen that anywhere else. Where I live in a major coastal city it's all bright white. I suppose it fits the general attitude of the government to the people, which is completely inhumane and uncaring. Prison lighting for a prison population.
Man... I'm glad I visited Hongkong in 2011. It's kinda weird that I'm getting emotional right now over advertising signs. But as someone from a country with strict light pollution laws, going out at night in HK felt magical.
Thank you for this video.
Come to Japan! After 7 years I still get a kick out of just walking around the bar districts, with all the colourful signs. I hope it's never "fixed"
I was lucky enough to visit HK and the iconic (now redeveloped) Kowloon City in 1997 - it was *unbelievable* - HK was a Jackie Chan Movie by day; high concept science fiction by night
I really REALLY miss the pre-9/11 world 😪
So glad people are talking about Collateral, such an underrated movie, and man I wish I could see Tom Cruise as a villain once more
Same here. The ending annoyed me a bit (a taxi driver killing a world-class assassin? really?) but it was dripping with style and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time.
@@digitalcamaro9708at first it doesnt make sense, but then you notice Vincent always uses the same shooting technique. 2 shots in the sternum and one in the head. Almost compulsively.
Vincent berates Max because he cant improvise, he always follows the same pattern. And in the end that's what gets Vincent killed, he doesnt adapt and continues to shoot the same way, causing him to hit the Steel door (you can actually see the dents on the door) while Max just blindly shoots improvising.
I think that's what they were going for.
I was only discussing this a few weeks back with a pal. Heat, Collateral, Blade Runner, The Driver, Terminator...the list of great movies set at night goes on and those fillms now document a 'look' that has vanished from our urban environments. It's a damn shame! Collateral is so specific in how it wants to capture the range of light in LA. We will never get a film that looks like it again, sadly.
This feels like the video essay I’ve been waiting for for so long, you have crystallised and fleshed out my exact thoughts on street lighting and in relation to movies, incredible work
That shot from Koyaanisqatsi at 5:40 is one of my absolute favourite shots of all time. It's so alien and sci-fi, futuristic, like we've colonized the whole world into rectangles. Ughhh it's just so good! It's just so dope!
Setting aside neon, I remember as a kid growing up and those orange sodium oxide streetlamps were everywhere. They're all gone now. I know there are theories about them increasing crime or whatever, but I do miss the old look streets had with them. Old halogen/incandescent lights in general have a quality that LEDs lack, regardless of color.
Night walks around the suburbs used to be a staple of me keeping my sanity. These days I simply cannot relax while on them due to the harsh sharp nature of LED lights. Though I know that most people just don't care enough or even notice a difference in lighting, so I guess they're here to stay.
many suburbs still have them
The death of neon in Hong Kong is a disgrace. The government should be ashamed.
Led lighting is like everything so many technologies nowadays. "Better" but without character and depressing.
Due to a manufacturing error many of the LED streetlights have turned a dark purple. The result on foggy nights is creepy beyond description.
It is eerie but I still prefer it to the sterile white glow of normal LEDs.
Due to the positive effects of chromatic dispersion amber colors are far better at illuminating foggy and rain-hindered highways. This is why HPS high mast lighting will probably not go away in the immediate future.
Did you pull that out of your ass? Making purple LEDs is a whole another thing, and no amount of phosphor degradation will make white LED appear purple.
Chromatic dispersion? Most HPS lights have craptastic glare control compared to anything remotely competent with LEDs, and yes there is a standard for that (EN 13201), and yes there is a specification for glare from the light and glare from the road reflection.
So yeah, HPS is deader than dead.
At least in terms of the purple LEDs thing, this is a known issue due to phosphor delamination inside the lamp
www.scientificamerican.com/article/streetlights-are-mysteriously-turning-purple-heres-why/
@@VEC7ORlt Still on the streets of Tampa
Collateral, Drive, and Nightcrawler all give off the same feeling to me, like it’s their own specific genre. L.A Neo-noir crime drama I think can perfectly describe it. I wish there were more movies like it. I’m always trying to discover more movies like them
If you haven't watched it yet, I'd point you toward Nicolas Winding Refn's show Too Old to Die Young. Its pace isn't for everyone but it has one of the most interesting visions of neo-noir L.A. to come out in some years.
@@WatchingtheAerial thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check it out
Zodiac has the same vibe although it doesnt all take place at night
@thedissilent2548 On that LA Neo-Noir crime drama tip, I'd also highly recommend Friedkin's To Live and Die in LA.
It's certainly one of the originators of that very specific, post-modern ennui, atmospheric audiovisual vibe - and definitely one of the very best too, IMO.
It really gets under your skin!
And something different, besides my other comment, there is a real big problem with how we humans are making our world uglier. This bit about Hong Kong is just really sad, yet I see it on so many levels, in so many places around the world. We really need to educate young people about beauty, because without beauty life is dull.
I want to mention Walter Hill’s “48 Hours” (1982) and its outstanding use of nighttime San Francisco neon lighting.
Hill took it even further in Streets of Fire (1984) since it was a fictional city he created. It went on to influence the look of the videogame Streets of Rage and the anime Bubblegum Crisis, both soaked in neon.
I loved the cinematography and lighting in 48 HRS
I do miss sodium bulbs. Not the best for illumination, sure, but theres just something about soft warm light that is very comforting
I've looked back on sodium vapor light with nostalgia for some time now. We still have a good number where I live, but along with LED headlights I've become aware of how fleeting the lighting of my childhood is. Bright yellow headlights and the orange glow of the streetlights that I used to try to read or play gameboy with as a kid are comforting to me, and more and more they're relegated to the more industrial and run down places where they sharpen the edge to those places.
I find christmas lighting nostalgic in a similar way, it's not "lost", but it feels like an anachronism that especially since the pandemic has seen less and less usage in my area.
I miss that greenish-blue glow of mercury vapor street lights. It's all what you grew up with, I suppose.. I was born in 1957.
I just bought my own sodium vapour street light to put up as I've really been missing the yellow glow
@@ChristinaGXL I put a mercury vapor street light over my garage door for the same reason 25 years ago.
Sodium-vapor has such a dreamy charm in my mind. I remember loving the night as a child, mostly because of them. Peaceful orange landscapes enveloped in placid and velveteen cumulus skies of shifting and juxtaposing reds and purples. It felt as though the world of dreams had come to visit.
LEDs and HIDs are a SCOURGE when it comes to headlights and I wish governments would start banning them going so high in lumen production.
I commute before the sun comes up yet I spend half of it averting my eyes or wearing sunglasses to avoid going blind, and there is ZERO reason anyone even commercial trucks need half the lumens their vehicles crank out let alone their actual output
Man that orchestra of sicky light bouncing off the marine layer was my sole companion on way home back home in LA a decade ago when I was a junior banker.
Honestly loved the moody quiet light to decompress in, watching the dance of night shift guys going home, drunks, homeless, guys coming in for Asian market open, guys doing fuck knows what. Definitely played up in my head that I was in some noire shit on those decompression drives to try to make those old hundred hour weeks feel like I was doing something real and hard and meaningful.
Its kind of funny thats gone along with that part of my life, and frankly didnt even know it went away once I left.
It would never have occurred to me that something as matter-of-fact as the streetlights in a city would make such a difference in how a movie looks and feels to an audience.
Just wow. Banger after banger. I have a few youtubers I hold up as my all-time favorites, and over the last year after finding your videos, you have basically beaten the old favorites into bloody piles. I subscribed for notifications, which I never do, and I don't get the notifications and actually manually check your channel for new videos. Your deep dives are such a refreshing counter to the shallow trash of mainstream UA-cam. I go back and rewatch your Wong Kar Wai and Fallen Angels videos frequently, and I've rewatched all of your videos at least a few times.
You and I seem to like the same kind of films, or at least obsess over the same films. Not an expectation, but it's definitely cool.
I may be the only one, but even color temperature matching to tungsten, the light still isn't the same. I've messed with a lot of LED COB lights, LED grid lights, and even LED video walls for lighting, and no matter what I do, it's just not the same. Maybe it's just my old cynical eyes.
Always cool to hear that the videos about my strange little obsessions are connecting so well with people, I really appreciate the support. And as for LED, while it definitely has its place in the modern cinematographer/gaffer's toolkit, it's hard to fully match the characteristics of things like tungsten halogen lamps (let alone the weird imperfect light from old office fluorescents or street lamps). I can totally see why some in the industry today will still accept no substitutes.
I remember the first time I walked under an led streetlight. I could see my shadow cast by each individual led. It tripped me out.
I love neon. It's really such a bummer. A lot of classic neon signs for motels/truckstops and casinos in the desert have replaced it with LED. It's like no one has any taste. All about the dollar.
When I was shooting my 16mm feature, I found a downed sodium vapor streetlight on the roadside and salvaged it to light some of the shots of my film. Turning it on at night in your house makes for a strange vibe...
How on earth does this channel not have more followers?? This is some seriously excellent work!
The cities around my location don't have a lot of businesses using LEDs yet. The ones that use them are usually small businesses that use rope LEDs in the window. And your video points out them being directional, and that clarified something I had noticed when looking around at night.
When a store has those rope LEDs in their window, their directionality is like a spot light. Looking towards them makes everything else look darker.
So even if other stores next door have neon lights or some other colored lights, the brightness and the directionality of the rope LEDs gets in the way of anything that might make a good night time scene.
I seen photos of I think it was Japan where they have embraced LEDs. When they're plentiful, then it doesn't get in the way because you have multiple directional LEDs balancing each other. So you still get the romance of a neon lit night scene. Plus a multitude of colors.
But if it's just a one or a few places, it does take away the romance.
Also ruins the other side of the street because you get a dominating staccato reflection in any windows for rope LEDs.
I would bet that somebody will come up with LEDs in a diffusion tube to simulate the glow of neon lights. Bring back the romance.
I do love the art and craft of making neon lights. Would hate to see it disappear completely.
I have a bunch of LED strip lights that are diffused to look like neon, you have to get pretty close to make out the individual LEDs.
The trade off is that light only comes out of one edge of the rectangular strip which has pros and cons.
Replicating the full tube effect would be difficult because fairly thick wires need to be hidden within, can be done with larger tubes but not so much with small diameter like neons.
@@ExplorerLoki I was thinking someday somebody may come out with LEDs inside a tube that has a combination of internal reflector to scatter the light, and translucent exterior to give the glow.
@gregorylagrange I hope so. Putting aside environmental concerns for a moment, nothing compares to real neon.
The lights I have are flexible so they can be made into a sign/image by the user, maybe rigid LED tubes that are custom made at the factory would be feasible.
@@ExplorerLoki I have the same type of LED's in my bedroom and I really like the warm diffused light they produce. I could see someone coming up with a version with a flat core with diodes on both sides and diffusing tubes on both sides that could closely mimic the 360° light of a neon tube.
something i like about LEDs in LA are the 2019 defects that come out as purple, absolutely love the look it gives on camera and i’ve been trying to capture as much as i can since this little error will probably only exist in this time for about 5 years lol
A local bowling alley is still maintaining their old neon sign. It's a nice touch of warmth against the harsh radiation of commerce that surrounds it.
I hope they never take it down.
A reminder that Rally's/Checkers still maintains all their neon
I watched this video a few weeks ago and my thoughts keep returning to the topic. I had never thought about the impact of streetlight technology on the look and feel of urban movies before.
Great video! This is something I have always noticed and tried to articulate when talking about a certain look of films from different eras. Especially New York films. They always had that cold blue aesthetic that just let you know it was NY. Love your work man, keep doing what you’re doing.
Thank you for the video. Very well done. I was a big fan of Hong Kong movies during the 80's, espescially Wong Kar Wai's movies (in particular, Days of Being Wild). For those looking for a sentimental movie about Hong Kong, I would suggest Stanley Kwan's Rouge. While not so much a feast of neon signs, it does an excellent job of contrasting the past with the (then) present.
Michael Mann puts on a masterclass in digital street photography later on in his career with Miami Vice. I dont know a single other movie that looks like that. And the nu metal phil collins cover is just the cherry on top.
Great video btw! The algorithim just recommended it to me even though i watched your video on The Ring back when it dropped. Should have subbed then but glad i have the oppurtunity to now.
Incredibly cool video. Where I grew up we through many different kinds of streetlights when I was growing up, and I always thought about how different they made me feel when they changed. Orange always felt enticing and mysterious, but when it switched to a quite blue LED I felt more uncomfortable moving around. It's absolutely nostalgia, and no-one was making movies where I was so the better form of those lights is for the best, but the old orange lights really set a mood growing up. Everything is now clean and perfect and I feel nothing seeing it.
Hi powerpak! I love your videos as well! But yes, lighting is something so passive we often don't appreciate it in the moment.
Forget streetlights and neon, the worst thing LEDs stared replacing were car headlights. Now everyone driving a car newer than 2017 looks like they're driving with their brights on.
Many have died as a result.
So it's not just me, I thought I was going insane. That's so dumb and dangerous.
There's a pet ition for that with more than Sixty Thousand Signatures
Collateral was one of the best mainstream movies of the decade imo - still slept on by a lot of people..
Great concept for a video, really interesting stuff ❤
Amazing video as always! Love seeing the way that the advancement of tehnology and lighting changed the way cities are precieved in cinema!
Another banger from the most underrated essayist on this website
First I've seen and immediate sub
I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this stuff. In the netflix film "the engineer" they either messed up color grading really bad or didn't think about how filming on a street with LED lights would break the 1990s immersion
It's netflix. They didn't care lmao.
It's netflix. be glad they even paid for enough lighting to see the actors' faces.
I hadn't considered that at all! Mercury vapor lamps create a look in neo-noir cinema that catches on and bleeds over to horror and action, and now a kind of sickly green LUT is the defacto look of modern blockbusters. Makes a lot of sense.
Holy cow, what an amazing video! One of the best UA-cam recommendations yet!
Great analysis. I'm glad UA-cam finally did me a solid and recommended a video I actually wanted to watch.
I've always been fascinated by night lighting and neon.
If a ran for mayor one of my campaign promises would be to bring back sodium lights. I know it wouldn’t work but I know I’d vote for me.
Italian viewer here: this was exceptional, the title is a little deceiving, it was much more deep, extensive and comprehensive than anticipated, plus it sparked lots of reflection, great job guys!
Ironically, Collateral pioneered a lot of handheld LED lighting techniques for their interior closeups (most notably covering the cab in Velcro so they could stick tiny LED patches wherever they needed eye light or other lights) that are still with us today.
Another outstanding video and the music so good! Tyler Floyd, wherever you are, I just have to say ❤
Yeah, Collateral is a gorgeous film to look at, just like Heat or Thief. But is surprises me that although we have all these amazing technological advancements, many of the most beautiful movies I can think of have been made a long time ago. Besides Thief and Heat I think of movies such as: Lawrence of Arabia, Apocalypse Now, Bladerunner, Aliens and In the Mood for Love.
LoA is so overrated at a thematic, theatric, cinematographic, and even story level. The amount of cognitive dissonance and groupthink that comes from that movie is astounding
Platoon > Apocalypse now and it isn't even close, there are a LOT of movies that look far superior to LoA/AN/ITMFL/etc but they aren't really talked about because the biggest showings they get are at small international film festivals. Moon is still one of the best movies ever made and outside of the year it was released it's like a ghost to just about everyone
@@victorkreig6089I disagree completely with everything you've said.
I grew up in the 90s and 2000s in British Columbia. My memories of an urban night are filled with orange lights from this sodium vapor you described. Thank you for clarifying what these lights were.
The UA-cam algo suggested this video and I watched the entire thing. I didn't expect this topic to be so fascinating.
Good job.
I’m obsessed with LA’s street lighting. I remember when “prison” LED lighting came to the Wilton / Beverly area. Thankfully it got changed not long after to a warmer tone of LED. Living closer to Pasadena now, where incandescent street lamps still rock their amazing glow.
Thanks for this brilliant (sorry) and engrossing video essay. Edmonton, in Alberta, Canada, never had much of a neon sign culture, but someone there noticed early on and held onto the neon signs as they were being taken down. They now have a 20-odd sign collection in a neon sign "museum" where all the signs are lined up down a street along an old brick warehouse. The effect is... weird.
This is definitely my favourite video essay of the last few years, Thank you
Thank you so much for making this. I've been a lifelong enthusiasts of lighting tech and I partially credit spaces like what you've shown as starting my interest. There was a mall in NY I used to frequent as a child, had so many setups of neon art and Colored Fluorescent fixtures hung at angles from the ceiling. Its all been ripped out now and replaced with boring led setups, far from the imagination it used to be. I like to call this sort of LED lighting "adulting" or "boring dystopia" as i feel it represents the increasing sameness of it all.
There is however, places in this country still left in this world. I am based in Missouri, and on a few occasions I've driven out to the Remains of Metro North Mall. Only a small portion of it is left, the old Macy's is there standing next to all the fake luxury apartments and boring streetlights that replaced the mall. The Macy's still has its original 1000w Mercury vapor parking lot lights, some dead but others still there. Its a small piece of land stuck in 1976 that has brutally staved off time for so long. Going there in person at night is unreal. An accidental preservation of the what the past look liked that you can just go visit if you wanted to. Taken plenty of photos there and of my car in that parking lot. Some day some developer will want to knock down the Macys and put some other crap there, but for now I'll enjoy the solitude there.
This video very much helped articulate what I've been feeling about the LED revolution so thank you again for making it. It's also nice to know that other people care about this and its good for us to know the cinematic aspect as well. :)
-The Bulbman 4/17/24
I’m not even super interested in filmmaking but I devoured this video in one sitting. Absolutely fantastic stuff.
Love how someone else is obsessed with city lighting, also love the 10:56 critter cameo!
Wow, so interesting, thank you - wasn't even sure what the video was about from the title, glad I watched.
I feel this way about John Woo films of the 80's and early 90's. They make Hong Kong feel like a lost world that I am nostolgic for, even though I wasn't even born.
Its as if you read my mind. And when you do, i'm reminded that we are all thinking the world into existence and I am not alone in my thoughts.
> LEDs & The Loss of Identity
We just haven't yet had time to assign meaning to this new style of lighting.
All I know is LED streetlights immediately made my working-class suburb feel much... "nicer."
wonderful work, thanks for the historical info. a favorite thing in visiting small midwestern USA towns is getting to see the different old municipal lighting still being used. it feels like walking through memories sometimes and is well worth the drives from the larger metropolis' to witness.
im a midwesterner that visits lots of small towns and ive never even thought about this before. some of the lights in places are ancient, a lot of places still dont even have lights. im going to really pay more attention to this from now on
Great essay on a surprisingly fascinating topic, made all the more interesting by your presentation and thoughtfulness on the matter. We see streetlights change and for a little while it's noticeable. Then, it becomes just another part of the background - but this video made me stop and consider ambient lighting as something more than that. I'd never considered its impact on films though; some beautiful shots here demonstrate the impact of these changes, and a few films to watch and rewatch now - thank you!
So glad Tom Scott sent me here. What a wonderfully scripted and edited video. I will now watch all the films featured that inspired it.
It's not just that low pressure sodium vapor lamps are "warmer" or "yellow"-they emit an incredibly narrow range of wavelengths around 590nm, which corresponds to a yellowish-orange hue. This stimulates the L cone (560nm peak) the most, the M cone decently (530nm), and rod cells (monochrome night vision) a bit, but basically does not stimulate the S cone (420nm) at all. All colors of objects are formed by interaction of pigments and a source light, and to see blues the S cell must be stimulated. Blue pigments reflect only blue wavelengths so have nothing to reflect, and red pigments mostly reflect orange. Hence the way the orange cab changed colors: mercury vapor have a wide, spiky spectrum, overwhelmingly in wavelengths smaller than 560nm.
As for warmth, wavelengths and mixed light that predominantly stimulate the S cone are generally deemed "cool" and ones that mostly stimulate the L cone are "warm." LPS leaves S out of it and so is "warm." LEDs, even CCT warm ones do and so seem "neutral" or cooler, even if the mix is warm. The spikiness of the distribution seems to be what makes the lights seem sickly. Certain pigments reflect darker than they should, created a splotchy and washed out appearance, even when the light is warm.
haven't finished yet, but my god! the editing is so stylish and smooth! it's rhythmic! perfect topic to since i just ordered Being and Neonness. I honestly despise movies as a medium on the whole, but editing, cinematography, and lighting are the best parts. painting a story with pictures; guiding the audience to play together(!) we the artist.
scripts, the industry, and the rest of 'cinema' sucks. not every movies needs a 120+min runtime. it's masturbatory at a point. more short films. like 30-70 mins is nice!
I've thought about this many times about how I have memories that exist in orange-scale. I remember learning that the light of my adolescence was from sodium vapor and I remember when my childhood street changed to LED. This was really great; a real treat
Michael Mann is lighting god and also a location god. Watching HEAT, Miami Vice and Collateral in a movie theater has been my three most memorable cinema experiences.
I don't understand how this channel doesn't have millions of followers, this is fantastic work, truly a professional masterpiece.
That was beautiful, collateral was the very first rated r movie that I bought on my own. It holds a very special place in my heart and so does the lighting and my love for cinematography. Amazing work
Thanks for this interesting, thrilling and informed feature! One of my favourite memories is driving through Hong Kong in the frontrow, upper deck on a bus in the mid 1990´s. It was like a dream, floating through a tunnel of light with all these forms that made no sense to me. The signs would be hanging so low that the bus could just pass beneath them.
While LEDs might be a huge energy saver, its a lightsource made in hell!
What a joy both for eyes and ears ❤ immediately wanna rewatch 10+ movies from the video
What a well-told analysis of films nights past, present and future
such a good video! I wish I had night photos of hong kong when I went there in 2002. I'm currently in LA and I never took notice of the switch to LED or the effects it would have on photography & film
Very interesting! Great video.
What a marvelous vid. A true eye-opener. I knew the influence light's got on the said productions, but you lay out the progressions and differences in the impact of cinematic effects of 'a simple thing like streetlights ' so well.
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Commenting for the algorithm. Great work man, keep it up. 👍
Came here after watching Collateral and wanting to hear more about how they made it look Like That. Great video! Excited to watch more in the future :)
Now this is a great video on the platform! The title hooked me because Collateral is a great film and Mann is the man! But ended up being as much or more about the use of various lighting technologies in film and IRL than about the movies themselves, which I found both fascinating and...illuminating (sorry!). Love learning new things while being entertained, so thanks!
THANK YOU! I am not losing my marbles when I was disappointed my apartment complex changed its lampposts from sodium vapour incandescent bulbs to LEDs. While I do appreciate the advantages of more areas being better lit (vastly reducing incidents of vandalism and anyone cruising the parking lots searching for unlocked cars), I feel that the soft lighting and intimacy of the older lights has been lost. Night walks around the complex are definitely safer since everything is visible (I swear you can play baseball under these new bulbs lol) but I do miss that soft deep-orange diffused glow of the old lamps.
Your editing is great and narration as well. Amazing work, your channel currently is very underrated but keep the quality consistent and you will gain more exposure eventually.
I loved this video, it is already a great resource to study the history of street lights and cinema.
This video is outstanding. Absolutely amazing.
I wasn't sure what I was getting when I clicked this, but I was pretty sure it was film-related.
I'm a creator myself. I started in painting, music, and graphics which has led me to video today.
I'm also an electrician by proxy of my father, and the color of light has always been important to me.
When installing lights in homes years ago my father had purchased colder-lights, and I told him that it was the wrong color.
Incandescent and neon light are both going extinct, but there will always be artisans who make neon signs in my opinion.
A few years ago we did a house for a guy whose daughter was 'sensitive' to everything, and he struggled to purchase hundreds of incandescent bulbs for her very-custom built condo.
Those aerial shots with the mix of mercury and sodium vapor are beautiful.
You only briefly mentioned the high-rise arc-lights, but those are a part of history I don't even think most people know about.
I watch a lot of video essays and just a small percentage leaves me in awe. This is one of best video essays in this website. At times I struggled to keep up.
Such an incredible, detailed and in-depth look at a fascinating topic that merges reality and fiction.
You make the best video essays around
Brilliant Doco
my man watchingtheaerial using footage from underrated masterpiece The Fanatic by Fred Durst starring John Travolta to make his point, what a legend
someone has to spread the gospel of the moose
Just watched Collateral and Drive My Car on Criterion Channel. Timing was perfect. Your channel is one of the best!
THANK YOU for this great analysis and commentary. Absolutely brilliant
My camera professor was adamant that night scenes should be blue and fluorescent, forcing us students to use way too much studio lighting and color grade everything to an unnatural level of blueness. If he had done his research like this video, he would know that night scenes bring blue is just a product of the time, not a standard to strive for.
Im confident that LEDs woll eventually become so versatile that something extremely close to old school neon signage will be possible for much cheaper and with much higher efficiency, in fact I've seen some EL wire setups that get pretty close
I'm pretty sure it's already possible. It's probably just the times and moving on from the styles of neon signage.
Celluloid was Nitrate Film. By the 1950's it was gone and became Cellulose Acetate Safety film. By the 1970's, They were using Polyester.
I remember going digital and photographing Japan with just the ambient light no flash just capturing the night vibe which you could not do well with film even using B&W and pushing it to the max. This was in 2003 I never went back to film after that.
One more thing I believe is worth noting. The LED arrays used in lights like street lamps, being a literal grid of intense points of light, instead of a single homogeneous glow, cast incredibly strange "pixellated" shadows. Looking at a wall or road surface with the leaves of a tree between it and an LED street light give what can be described as a Minecraft or Digicamo effect. It can be surprising when they change the light outside your house without telling you. Who knows how it will effect film making.
Loved this video! Really appreciate your thoroughness.
Excellent meditation on the history & impact of street lights on cinema. Thank You 🙏🏼
Much respect for your pacing, clarity of narration, intelligence of your script, and selection of beautiful clips to illustrate your thesis. 👌
I look forward to more of your [very literally] spectacular content.
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Amazing video, one of my favourite movies of all time