Just bought one like it from AimSurplus myself, as you said for $189. It is a beautiful piece and in mint condition. I'm really happy with it. People bag on the M1895 because of the small caliber and "weak" round, but to me it is very mechanically and historically interesting.
Every time I take mine to the range people always ask me about it. Guess they aren't very popular where I'm from. I love this little gun and how it works. It's very unique and special to me. The wood grips on mine were falling apart from the cosmoline so I had a friend make me new ones from black walnut. Improved the looks of it ten fold.
I like the holster design more than the revolver itself. A buddy bought one and loves it he had little issue finding ammo to shoot this past year to go shoot.
Wonderful video. I’ve watched and liked it years ago, but had to watch it again because yesterday I was fortunate enough to find my very own M1895 Nagant revolver. Thanks for the video!
I shot 14 rounds of 32 magnum in mine with great accuracy & no problems. I wouldn't recommend a steady diet of it, but if you test it first (wearing eye protection) and found some good defensive 32 magnum ammo... I also shot some surplus ammo in this, which felt more powerful than the 32 magnum, maybe on a par with 38 special. Had some difficulty ejecting casings from the hot surplus ammo. It will shoot 32s&w long, but clean it really good. I mostly shoot that PPU ammo, but I keep the revolver loaded up with hot surplus ammo & stashed in another room. Nothing anemic about the military surplus ammo.
.one of the best channels on firearms. Nagant M1895 looks great. A 7shot revolver with 7.62×38 cartridge. drawfiring too often can cause damage to the firing pin. this one made in 1927. Good for personal defence.
Hey Mr. Sootch great vid as always! I picked up a Tula 41' a year or so ago during our last and latest "gun ban scare", at my local Cabelas. Everything was cleaned out but an entire case of a few dozen of these for $150 and they didn't move, I don't think people knew what they were lol! Haven't seen any here in CT since then, glad I got one when I did. You are right man, pick up this surplus stuff while it is still around.
Oh, almost forgot,...I like your choice of music for these reviews,....to me , it does make the review a tad more interesting,..I don't know why,.but maybe the music has that little bit of sincerity to it, just a thought.
Thank you so much for this great detailed review! I was given this gun as a gift and I've never even held a handgun. This video was very informative and makes me feel a lot more comfortable around the machine. Can't wait to try it out at a shooting range!
got mine at J&G sales for $75.00 and it's a 1943 Tula. i also discovered if you pull the blade out of the screw driver it has another size so you just flip it around. love your videos!
I know you probably get a lot of comments but today I am home sick with the flu. I really love the way you shoot your videos. Professional without being to over the top. The info is top notch. Keep up the good work.
If you have the reloading gear, this is an outstanding revolver. Make them just a little bit hotter and you have a great home pistol. The price is right. Thanks Sootch!!
I have two of these. I bought them about 7 years ago when SOG couldn't give them away. I think all of my surplus firearms have doubled in value in the last 10 years. I just wish I had invested in stockpiles to sell today or in the future. Better than the stock market.
You have a nice looking example for your review. Mine is a TULA 1927, same year as yours. They are a unique revolver design, which is why I purchased it. I do not collect many handguns, but this one was interesting enough for me to include.
I just purchased a Tula 1936. Saw it in a display case and thought it looked cool. After a ton of research, just had to get it. First gun purchase ever.
Shot one once a few years back.. you weren't kidding about a 20+lb trigger.. I thought there was a safety engaged when I first tried pulling the trigger.. This pistol is the epitome of trigger control for accuracy..lol Another great review sootch00
Sure is. You handle your business and then leave without anyone knowing you were there. Not even a need to police your brass. ;o) I'm just playing btw.
You have a Tula. Look at the hammer proof marks. That is a Tula mark. I also see at least one star on your gun. It is a refurb (almost all of them are) as indicated by the square with the line through it on the side. During refurb they mixed parts together hence the hammers and stars on dif parts. Same marks are found on the Mosin. Older ones have Tula hammers, then stars for more recent. I love these recent Rguns imports because of the discreet import mark under the barrel. Most imports have a billboard practically covering the original marks on the side of the frame. Nice gun.
The marking that looks like a square with the line in the middle located under the stamped date indicates this is a post WWII refurbishment, hence the blueing and grip condition.
It is SO quiet for a revolver - amazing! And it was made in 1927 - the quality is stunning. It's a handcrafted gem of a firearm - again, amazing. Not mass produced like a Glock.
my favorite thing about this gun aside from the obvious unique nature of the gun, the fact the one i have was made 80 years ago and that i got it for cheaper than i could get a decent BB gun is that THE ONLY THING THAT GETS DIRTY IS THE INSIDE OF THE BARREL..
Sootch00 I believe these are opposite the Mosin Nagant rifles in terms of desireability based on where they are made. With the rifles the Tula made guns are more collectible. With the revolvers, however, the opposite is true. The ones made at the Izhevsk arsenal are more desireable. This is due to the fact that less revolvers were made at the Izhevsk arsenal thus making them a more rare piece.
Good review thanks Sootch you're a pro..Thanks for shedding a good light on these old guns , the original ammo for these is more powerful.. I have 3 of them , they are getting harder to come by now. They are kinda weird but beautiful
Picked one these up from AIM Surplus and it was a 1928 in MINT (I think unfired) condition.... With the help of the disassembly video from "Mosinvirus" I took it apart, cleaned it up (Didn't really need cleaning) and put it back together... what a beautiful revolver. AIMS sold out so fast or I would have purchased another one...
This one is on my collector's list for vintage military revolvers... And it's about the only one I'll be able to afford. The Webley Mk. IV and 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne are WAY too expensive. :-P
Yeah, I see them at gun shows every now and then for a price that I could just about live with. Never pulled the trigger though. There was always something going on in my life that would have made it a stupid financial decision. Another thing that holds me back is that I've seen some people pay a premium for the 11mm ammo just to have an unacceptable number of cartridges fail. Ah well. Some day... ;)
Indeed. If I ever do get the 1873, it'll probably just be a safe queen. At least Hornady makes .455 Webley. The Nagant is probably something I'll purchase within the next couple of months. As an aside, the Russians ran with the (perhaps) unintentional suppressor compatibility of this revolver and put it into an integrally suppressed version sometime within the past 15-20 years. Kind of interesting, but we'll never see it. :-P
Thanks for another cool video, and a walk down history lane. It is good for me to ponder on the concept-design-manufacturing of this pistol and the reasons for it's service longevity really. What a kick Sootch. Such a cool pistol.
Hey Sootch the box with the line in to near the grip and the CCCP is a metal refurbish mark. It being a 1927 revolver im sure it went through WWII which would explain the refurbishment. The gun was repaired and refinished the Soviet gun smiths just did a good job to make it look new. I have the same story with a M91/30.
I bought two of these, both Tula models with wooden grips and all the accesories that you have, for $79.95 a piece. Like yours, almost perfect condition. I believe they had been refurbished before put into storrage. That was a few years ago and I wish that I had bought a dozen of them! One I never shot and the other I have, and it shoots great! Also got lots of the surplus ammo and some of the new as well. Hind sight is always 20/20 as they say!
***** Uh.... what's wrong with him being from there? Don't make American's look any worse then we already do mate (or whatver country you may or may not be from).
***** all good mate. i know it sounded like i still live in the east block. to be exact i live in the far north east of germany near peenemünde were the V-rockets been build in ww2.
I have the rare table Nagant which I got in a trade for a table from the daughter of a returning soldier who brought it back from Russia. You told things about it that I have never known even after 20 years owning it (never shot it).
The small square with the line under the date is a refurb mark.The refurbs are all excellent condition. Also Tula and Izhevsk are really the same in quality. In Fact the Izhevsk 1895's are the rarer of the two, opposite of the Mosin 91/30's. And lastly AIM has only 45 1895's left as of today.
Sootch00, your Nagant pistol was made in Tula which is Russia's best quality production. I am a CPS Teacher but I am a Republican Trump supporter and voter. I am an ethnic Ukrainian but aI love the stars and stripes and the Stars and Bars !! Long Live the USA Brother ain't nothin Like and Ice cold Bud some good chew and and some kentuckey striaght windage like 80% proof !! to the Stars and Bars !! when the time comes we will come down and help you boys !! Love Jesus !!
***** The Nagant Pistol featured in the Sootch00 video was Russian Production. True the first Nagant pistols were produced in Belgium but later the Russians tooled up production before WWI.
Roman Andrushko God bless you my Ukrainian friend. I feel sorry for Ukrainian people on Crimea issue. I would love for Ukraine to join us in NATO. I love Ukrainian culture and people. Thank you for being of right mind. We are all immigrants here or descendants of them. Long live the US & both our countries people!
I have one that is dated 1914 I love my little piece of history and it is fun to shoot. Maybe not the best choice in modern days for a man stopper but still cool none the less.
My 1923 Tula is marked with the very early Soviet designation PCCP. It also was M/O marked in 49. Must have been re-barreled in 49 and also received the Bakelite grips. Paid about $129.00 in 2005 or so. Never have shot it though.
I sold mine a couple of years ago. I bought it for about $80 and shot it some...then bought the then available .32acp cylinder..had to take a jeweler's file to fit the ratchet star on the .32acp cylinder to the gun (time it up), but it worked fine. Couple years later, a friend at work was willing to pay $220 for the gun, accessories and a box or two of ammo(8-)...so I went and spent that on a Bulgy MaK.
Sootch00 you need to review and shoot the cz 52 great pistols I just got mine from gun broken near mint condition for about $300 I know you would love that pistol if you don't already!!!! Thanks for these military surplus pistol reviews they are my favorite!!!! God bless!!!
First saw one of these on a semi-older Hickok45 video, and it was awesome to get your views and opinions on it. Nifty little revolver and I would love to get one to add to my Father's collection.
I remember just 2-3 years ago I was picking up Mosins for $69 a piece every week whether the were round receiver Tulas or Izhevsks. And picking up Hex receiver Tulas for $110. Miss those days for sure.
Text on this pistol.
USSR
First Arms Factory
in Tula
1927
From Russia with love.
Awesome, thanks for the information! Good to know it's a Tula made revolver.
К вашему сведению,до 1942 года они в Туле только и выпускались)
That intro is soothing , hypnotizing and feels ancestral .
Just bought one like it from AimSurplus myself, as you said for $189. It is a beautiful piece and in mint condition. I'm really happy with it. People bag on the M1895 because of the small caliber and "weak" round, but to me it is very mechanically and historically interesting.
Thank You for your reviews sootch. Truly appreciated.
Best wishes from Poland.
Every time I take mine to the range people always ask me about it. Guess they aren't very popular where I'm from. I love this little gun and how it works. It's very unique and special to me. The wood grips on mine were falling apart from the cosmoline so I had a friend make me new ones from black walnut. Improved the looks of it ten fold.
I like the holster design more than the revolver itself. A buddy bought one and loves it he had little issue finding ammo to shoot this past year to go shoot.
I have 2 of them. The trigger pull is heavy, but the gun as a whole is very well made and robust. I find them very pleasant to shoot.
Wonderful video. I’ve watched and liked it years ago, but had to watch it again because yesterday I was fortunate enough to find my very own M1895 Nagant revolver. Thanks for the video!
Great video! Very informative and helpful! Just bought a very neat 1939 Tula M1895 Nagant revolver, love it!
I shot 14 rounds of 32 magnum in mine with great accuracy & no problems. I wouldn't recommend a steady diet of it, but if you test it first (wearing eye protection) and found some good defensive 32 magnum ammo... I also shot some surplus ammo in this, which felt more powerful than the 32 magnum, maybe on a par with 38 special. Had some difficulty ejecting casings from the hot surplus ammo. It will shoot 32s&w long, but clean it really good. I mostly shoot that PPU ammo, but I keep the revolver loaded up with hot surplus ammo & stashed in another room. Nothing anemic about the military surplus ammo.
.one of the best channels on firearms. Nagant M1895 looks great. A 7shot revolver with 7.62×38 cartridge. drawfiring too often can cause damage to the firing pin. this one made in 1927. Good for personal defence.
Hey Mr. Sootch great vid as always! I picked up a Tula 41' a year or so ago during our last and latest "gun ban scare", at my local Cabelas. Everything was cleaned out but an entire case of a few dozen of these for $150 and they didn't move, I don't think people knew what they were lol! Haven't seen any here in CT since then, glad I got one when I did. You are right man, pick up this surplus stuff while it is still around.
Cool looking pistol!
used till 2009 ; say waa
I wish I would have bought one of these a few years ago when they were easily had for around $79. Now they are over $200 at most places. :(
@DanOfTheWild you definitely got a deal. I just bought one for $600. Your guy must have bought his when they were dirt cheap.
Oh, almost forgot,...I like your choice of music for these reviews,....to me , it does make the review a tad more interesting,..I don't know why,.but maybe the music has that little bit of sincerity to it, just a thought.
Thank you.
Great review on this old gun! Those cartridges are not circumcised.
Very nice historical revolver. Thanks for the great review of this gun.
Thank you so much for this great detailed review! I was given this gun as a gift and I've never even held a handgun.
This video was very informative and makes me feel a lot more comfortable around the machine.
Can't wait to try it out at a shooting range!
got mine at J&G sales for $75.00 and it's a 1943 Tula. i also discovered if you pull the blade out of the screw driver it has another size so you just flip it around. love your videos!
What a cool old revolver. I really need to get one of these!
I know you probably get a lot of comments but today I am home sick with the flu. I really love the way you shoot your videos. Professional without being to over the top. The info is top notch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Bro, Hope you get to feeling better.
If you have the reloading gear, this is an outstanding revolver. Make them just a little bit hotter and you have a great home pistol. The price is right. Thanks Sootch!!
I have two of these. I bought them about 7 years ago when SOG couldn't give them away. I think all of my surplus firearms have doubled in value in the last 10 years. I just wish I had invested in stockpiles to sell today or in the future. Better than the stock market.
You have a nice looking example for your review. Mine is a TULA 1927, same year as yours. They are a unique revolver design, which is why I purchased it. I do not collect many handguns, but this one was interesting enough for me to include.
I just purchased a Tula 1936. Saw it in a display case and thought it looked cool. After a ton of research, just had to get it. First gun purchase ever.
Very cool gun. Keep up the intriguing content. Keep us guessing whats next!
Shot one once a few years back.. you weren't kidding about a 20+lb trigger.. I thought there was a safety engaged when I first tried pulling the trigger.. This pistol is the epitome of trigger control for accuracy..lol Another great review sootch00
timeless classic
Excellent review! This thing suppressed is one of the coolest firearms out there
Sure is. You handle your business and then leave without anyone knowing you were there. Not even a need to police your brass. ;o) I'm just playing btw.
Cool review. Love the history of the weapon.
Excellent review, I have one of these and I keep it in my vehicle.
Awesome review
I bought one from Cabelas a few years ago.......... a part of history.
You have a Tula. Look at the hammer proof marks. That is a Tula mark. I also see at least one star on your gun. It is a refurb (almost all of them are) as indicated by the square with the line through it on the side. During refurb they mixed parts together hence the hammers and stars on dif parts. Same marks are found on the Mosin. Older ones have Tula hammers, then stars for more recent. I love these recent Rguns imports because of the discreet import mark under the barrel. Most imports have a billboard practically covering the original marks on the side of the frame. Nice gun.
The marking that looks like a square with the line in the middle located under the stamped date indicates this is a post WWII refurbishment, hence the blueing and grip condition.
I Bought one from AIM picked it up today like Yours it is in Beautiful Condition mine
was made in 1928 for 189 dollars + change its Awesome.
Excellent review. Loved it.
It is SO quiet for a revolver - amazing!
And it was made in 1927 - the quality is stunning.
It's a handcrafted gem of a firearm - again, amazing. Not mass produced like a Glock.
1895 Leon Nagant Herstal Belgium
my favorite thing about this gun aside from the obvious unique nature of the gun, the fact the one i have was made 80 years ago and that i got it for cheaper than i could get a decent BB gun is that THE ONLY THING THAT GETS DIRTY IS THE INSIDE OF THE BARREL..
Sootch00 I believe these are opposite the Mosin Nagant rifles in terms of desireability based on where they are made. With the rifles the Tula made guns are more collectible. With the revolvers, however, the opposite is true. The ones made at the Izhevsk arsenal are more desireable. This is due to the fact that less revolvers were made at the Izhevsk arsenal thus making them a more rare piece.
Good review thanks Sootch you're a pro..Thanks for shedding a good light on these old guns , the original ammo for these is more powerful.. I have 3 of them , they are getting harder to come by now. They are kinda weird but beautiful
Sootch, I like it, unique and different. Looks like a fun gun.
take care, Frank
Picked one these up from AIM Surplus and it was a 1928 in MINT (I think unfired) condition.... With the help of the disassembly video from "Mosinvirus" I took it apart, cleaned it up (Didn't really need cleaning) and put it back together... what a beautiful revolver. AIMS sold out so fast or I would have purchased another one...
Music perfect for this gun, thanx
This one is on my collector's list for vintage military revolvers... And it's about the only one I'll be able to afford. The Webley Mk. IV and 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne are WAY too expensive. :-P
Yeah, I see them at gun shows every now and then for a price that I could just about live with. Never pulled the trigger though. There was always something going on in my life that would have made it a stupid financial decision.
Another thing that holds me back is that I've seen some people pay a premium for the 11mm ammo just to have an unacceptable number of cartridges fail. Ah well. Some day... ;)
Indeed. If I ever do get the 1873, it'll probably just be a safe queen. At least Hornady makes .455 Webley.
The Nagant is probably something I'll purchase within the next couple of months. As an aside, the Russians ran with the (perhaps) unintentional suppressor compatibility of this revolver and put it into an integrally suppressed version sometime within the past 15-20 years. Kind of interesting, but we'll never see it. :-P
Quite a work of art, very cool. Thank you for the look at it
Thanks for another cool video, and a walk down history lane. It is good for me to ponder on the concept-design-manufacturing of this pistol and the reasons for it's service longevity really. What a kick Sootch. Such a cool pistol.
very good review as usual
Hey Sootch the box with the line in to near the grip and the CCCP is a metal refurbish mark. It being a 1927 revolver im sure it went through WWII which would explain the refurbishment. The gun was repaired and refinished the Soviet gun smiths just did a good job to make it look new. I have the same story with a M91/30.
Wow, pretty cool info you got there! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Good video. I want one to go with my Mosin Nagant. Mainly to just have, but wouldnt mind shooting it every now and again.
Great introductory cinematography.
Just got mine today I suggest if you want one get one soon they are drying up they used to be real cheap prices have gone up!
Спасибо, товарищ за хороший обзор!
I bought two of these, both Tula models with wooden grips and all the accesories that you have, for $79.95 a piece. Like yours, almost perfect condition. I believe they had been refurbished before put into storrage. That was a few years ago and I wish that I had bought a dozen of them! One I never shot and the other I have, and it shoots great! Also got lots of the surplus ammo and some of the new as well. Hind sight is always 20/20 as they say!
+Tinstar2 Try buying one now.. I will double your money if you want to sell your two..
Well...thanks for that good offer...but I don't think so! LOL!
caint blame a guy for tryin ;)
cajunski1:)
+Tinstar2 Mine set me back $149 a piece. I got two.
Excellent review!
its Nov 2018 and I wish these was available.
i enjoy your reviews ! keep up the good work !
A guy at work has two! Crazy design!
very good detailed review again, regards from east germany
*****
yes,its the eastern part of germany.
***** Uh.... what's wrong with him being from there? Don't make American's look any worse then we already do mate (or whatver country you may or may not be from).
*****
all good mate. i know it sounded like i still live in the east block. to be exact i live in the far north east of germany near peenemünde were the V-rockets been build in ww2.
great review
I have the rare table Nagant which I got in a trade for a table from the daughter of a returning soldier who brought it back from Russia. You told things about it that I have never known even after 20 years owning it (never shot it).
The small square with the line under the date is a refurb mark.The refurbs are all excellent condition. Also Tula and Izhevsk are really the same in quality. In Fact the Izhevsk 1895's are the rarer of the two, opposite of the Mosin 91/30's. And lastly AIM has only 45 1895's left as of today.
Museum piece indeed!
Great video on a very charismatic revolver.
Wow, talk about your collector pieces. Very unique. Not something I'd carry but it would be neat to own, especially suppressed.
Thanks for the review.
great review sootch..... I picked one up from AIM a few months back. Really like your C&R reviews. Keep them coming!
Great informative and interesting video! Thanks!
I just ordered one for 199, including shipping. Bought ammo for 21.99 for a box of 50. Cannot wait till it comes in.
Loves these pieces of Russian/Soviet history.
Amazing Engineering even by today's standards. Револьвер Наган модель 1895 👍👍
wow its a nice revolver
Excellent review sir. Thank you.
do you have some kind of trigger work on yours? you seem to power through that DA pull like its nothing
Sootch00, your Nagant pistol was made in Tula which is Russia's best quality production. I am a CPS Teacher but I am a Republican Trump supporter and voter. I am an ethnic Ukrainian but aI love the stars and stripes and the Stars and Bars !! Long Live the USA Brother ain't nothin Like and Ice cold Bud some good chew and and some kentuckey striaght windage like 80% proof !! to the Stars and Bars !! when the time comes we will come down and help you boys !! Love Jesus !!
Amen!
***** The Nagant Pistol featured in the Sootch00 video was Russian Production. True the first Nagant pistols were produced in Belgium but later the Russians tooled up production before WWI.
Is it fit for comment to show the citizenship,racial,politic and etc?
Just asking...
Roman Andrushko God bless you my Ukrainian friend. I feel sorry for Ukrainian people on Crimea issue. I would love for Ukraine to join us in NATO. I love Ukrainian culture and people. Thank you for being of right mind. We are all immigrants here or descendants of them. Long live the US & both our countries people!
Enjoyed this video very informative thank you
I have one that is dated 1914 I love my little piece of history and it is fun to shoot. Maybe not the best choice in modern days for a man stopper but still cool none the less.
Wow, loved learning about this unique gun!
Major piece of heavy duty engineering, typical for that era no matter what nation
Great video as usual, thanks
Nice.
I still remember when you could pick one of these up for under $100... Those were the days
$250 with a C&R now
gman77gas You can still get them for $100 sometimes if you know where to look.
Jesse Sisolack
I just got one for 190. A 90 dollar fee for not getting one earlier is barely acceptable to me.
Under $100, dang, I wish I would have known about it then.
Jesse Sisolack Where do I look? I have a C&R
Amazing revolver.......and really good review with a lot of info
Great review, Sootch
Video excellent thank you
I really hope to get me one of these revolvers for plinking one day soon.
Jus picked up a 1944 izhevsk, sweet revolver can't wait to shoot it looks incredibly soft shooting.
My 1923 Tula is marked with the very early Soviet designation PCCP. It also was M/O marked in 49. Must have been re-barreled in 49 and also received the Bakelite grips. Paid about $129.00 in 2005 or so. Never have shot it though.
I sold mine a couple of years ago. I bought it for about $80 and shot it some...then bought the then
available .32acp cylinder..had to take a jeweler's file to fit the ratchet star on the .32acp cylinder to
the gun (time it up), but it worked fine. Couple years later, a friend at work was willing to pay $220
for the gun, accessories and a box or two of ammo(8-)...so I went and spent that on a Bulgy MaK.
tom frye Where did you get the cylinder from? Wished I had one for mine!
Cabelas has these every year around Black Friday for $99, they make great Christmas gifts.
I guess I'll go by Cabela's and pick up another one : ) Thanks for the heads up.
Sootch00 you need to review and shoot the cz 52 great pistols I just got mine from gun broken near mint condition for about $300 I know you would love that pistol if you don't already!!!! Thanks for these military surplus pistol reviews they are my favorite!!!! God bless!!!
sootch00
First saw one of these on a semi-older Hickok45 video, and it was awesome to get your views and opinions on it. Nifty little revolver and I would love to get one to add to my Father's collection.
I had one of these for a time.carried as a trail gun.kind of a steam punk design.ammo was a headache.good review.
on mine the screwdriver blade would pull out to show a smaller blade tip on the end inside the handle
I remember just 2-3 years ago I was picking up Mosins for $69 a piece every week whether the were round receiver Tulas or Izhevsks. And picking up Hex receiver Tulas for $110. Miss those days for sure.
SmokeThatSkinwagon they're 300 now lol
FYI Sootch, you DO have a Tula there! That little hammer on the side is the Tula mark prior to them using the star. :)
Just saw some others beat me to this info. lol
this gun needs to be remade and modernized
Very interesting gun design and review!
This is a very interesting revolver to say the least. Great review, alll the information you need and want. Thanks Sootch00.
If someone is interested - the seal is - U.S.S.R. First gun factory 1927
+〈 1 Horse Power Also B TYLE means in Tula. So this example says it was made in Tula.
Very informative review
They are solid and won't go off if dropped