Hot Debate with GPT o1 Pro on Cold Dark Matter
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- The recent development of AI presents challenges, but also great opportunities. In this clip I discuss Dark matter with the new model ChatGPT o1 pro.
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When I first heard of CDM in cosmology I immediately thought “epicycles.” I heard that word twice in this conversation.
I thought this was a great discussion! Loved hearing you put O1 pro to the test. Impressive how far these models have come. 🎉
Amazing of what AI is capable of. Somewhat even scary
Somebody say "Birkland current."
Why is a force 30exp30 times stronger than gravity so blithely ignored?
And somebody tell me how big a current can be.
Don't forget the "Z" pinch! I like EU theory - it makes a lot more sense than Dark Matter, et al.
Well, I'm not a physicist, but having scanned information for a while now, it has been my opinion that "dark matter" is not matter at all but differences in space itself with variations in what I call "density" for lack of a better term. Baryonic matter accumulates in these variations due to the gravitational effect of these variations. I'm not a physicist and know that, so this is highly unlikely, but, until the properly accredited physicists come up with a particle solution to the observed discrepancies I think it has at least a tiny possibility of being correct.
I'm impressed with the AI's ability to converse on this subject. Amazing really.
I suspect that gravity is not just an attribute of matter but that matter and space are the same thing of different densities, each having gravity.
Space is a concept only. No differences in space.
@@hollaadieewaldfeee I disagree, obviously. When the Universe came into existence at the Big Bang (assuming), the laws of physics and the constants came into existence from a singularity in nothing. Therefore, everything that came out of that nothingness must have been the same. Different things do not come out of nothing according to the same laws and constants. That is common logic. Only one thing could have come from those laws and constants. Not multiple things. Not matter and space as separate things. Thus, matter and space are the same thing, connected by Einstein's undefined "energy."
You might like this. I had a dream once in which a voice said, "the new physics will be a science of density"
I've always liked that.
Yeah, it's quite obvious indeed that you're not a physicist.
@@hoon_sol THE REAL ANSWER IS THAT DARK MATTER IS A FRAUD AND YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE EDITORS SEE LERNER'S EVIDENCE OF DARK MATTER LIES AND THE UNIVERSE IS NOT EXPANDING
Brilliant and super entertaining!
I've yet to see the intelligence in AI. I see the regurgitation.
It is not that different from what we are. Just predictable machines with no free will. Current AI's are just a snapshot frozen in time so they can not learn new things or rearrange their knowledge but those will be available likely fairly soon.
@@electrodacus I do point out the same as you upon hearing the same.
Why people can't see we are also language models, in wet form. We rely on language to reason.
I guess many adhere to the school of thought saying language is not necessary for thought, and therefore somehow our non linguistic thinking plays an important part, which AI can't reproduce.
I remain unconvinced, I think intelligence aspires to language and will spontaneously create it if it doesn't have it yet.
I would say the same about you, as this seems to be a talking point regurgitated. You might contend that I haven't looked... But I would pass the same argument back to your original comment.
I really enjoyed this. A lot. Thankyou.
I really enjoyed the debate on the limit of understanding a man an intelligent counterpart with bias of present day science vs model confirmation bias . Ego the word really make me laugh on this serious digging of data.
The books and the views of different ideas made a feeling of vocabulary abuse by AI new version.
A wonderful recollection of mutual non-fitting talking points concerning physics and especially astro physics. Assumptions, definitions and facts, that deserves som thorough resycling.
Very surprised by the final agreement to explore new paradigms! As you saw through the course of your discussion, the Ai was at pains to defend the Standard Model, citing some very questionable assertions and one-off observations as justification for doing so. I'd be VERY surprised if the Ai would accept contradictory data at all! Perhaps try citing P.M.Robitaille's evidence and see how far you get!!
They just figured out how to reinforce the consensus for the sake of their consensus.
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Do you think it could be some unexplained property of supermassive black holes?
ahhhh... Thank you so much for that, I really needed a laugh...
That was a fun discussion and test of o1.
The advanced voice model is based on 4o. There is no way to make model O1 be used in conversation
I myself am waiting for this same discussion from an EU perspective. I lean far more to the Electric Universe hypothesis as the current dark matter hypothesis seems laughable to me. I am not a scientist, but stupid can be seen by us interested people listening to it all.
While this was an engaging discussion showcasing GPT's impressive grasp of physics, calling it a 'hot debate' might be stretching it! Dr. Unzicker raises valid concerns about dark matter theory, and his skepticism about mathematical patches in modern physics is thought-provoking. However, as a physicist, I wish he'd spend more time proposing testable alternative theories rather than just pointing out problems. It's like the old saying goes - you can't beat something with nothing. That said, his point about remaining open to radical new ideas and avoiding confirmation bias is crucial for science. The acceleration scale coincidence he mentioned is particularly intriguing and deserves more attention. Perhaps future AI discussions could focus more on constructing new theoretical frameworks rather than just critiquing existing ones?
@@wawaldekidsfun4850 What do you care about testable theories? Gravity failed its test with Zwicky and Rubin's observation. Hubble constant failed its test with suoernovae that led to the invention of dark energy. If you accept these hypothetical dark stuffs then you care not for testing of for Popper's falsification equation.
If P then Q, if not Q then not P.
I like this serries of chats you are having with AIs. The problem with these AIs as I see it is that they are in fact Large Language Models who basically parrot what might be at the time the popular opinion. On top of that, their ability is also centered on their programing. Like she said, if all she had was 17th century cosmology she would ardently argue the geocentric model.
It would be interesting to have access to one of these AIs and feed them only classical physics, electromagnetism, plasma physics and all the raw data of cosmology and ask it to build a model to explain these observations.
I take a simpler approach. "If P then Q, if not Q, then not P." ~Popper
If Gravity is the fundamental force of the cosmos, then X amount of mass should be observed, X-65% of mass is observed, therefore gravity is not the fundamental force of the cosmos. Invoking an unknown hypothetical to avoid such a model refuting observation is the very essence of pseudo science. More than 4 decades of looking for Dark matter by numerous researchers spending millions of dollars have come up empty handed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but there is none. Only claims of its effects as understood through the lens of gravity as the fundamental force of the cosmos and as such they are meaningless without direct proof of its existence.
I mean... are you hoping for somebody to see it?
How was it discovered? Calculate the velocities and plug them into the same model as our solar system. Am I the only person that sees a problem with that? I can't get past the words, "wrong math because proper math is too difficult", seen it before.
Well, that is simplifying it too much, because even critics are aware of why we posit its existence in the first place; they're just skeptical of what's causing it.That being said, dark matter does exist, and I even know exactly what it is.
@@hoon_sol
and i'm even more amused that you're so brainwashed by the bbt that you feel the universe is ridiculous priest
@@hoon_sol and you make an unnecessary farce by saying you know dark matter don't make others laugh at your stupidity for your ridiculousness
@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233:
I do know, though. It's been known for quite a while, actually. Nothing farcical about it.
@@hoon_sol each time you say you know it but don't explain it you become less believable
If it was a human, I would say it did not understand the question and simply deflected.
Then it just threw up a word salad of general ideas to justify something.
It seems more self-aware it used to be though, in a way.
I don't see that. I think it understood questions very well.
Maybe you expect it to be extraordinarily insightful and guess the unsaid subtext in every question but I don't see why it should. Maybe you're seeing in the questions things that are actually not there to begin with.
Also it is trying to be right and defend one point of view so, why would it help us defeat it.
Great chat with GPT o1! However there's nothing new in what "GPT o1 Pro" is saying, I still don't see how that machine could make the jump into another paradigm...
Having access to all the data in the world won't help if the data are looked at within a limited conceptual frame. What if the solution is not reached through a modification of gravity?
Thank you.
Congratulations. You just inadvertently trained the AI.
@alphaomega5001 Imagine you were a graduate trying to understand the topic. Wouldn't you be satisfied to learn, at your own pace from the best people in the field, given that they may have previously interacted with the algorithm ? There would be contradicting matter, debatted and as closer to reality arguments and counter arguments..Then it would create a safe space of ideas to be debated with at any point in time, independant of any behavior human can mistakely have.
Thank you Unzicker for this video and hope that it can benefit the community you are engaged with.
Dr. Unzicker: Thanks for this amazing video. I'm very impressed by the GPT o1 Pro. It seems extremely intelligent. I've wondered if dark matter could be antimatter. If an antimatter particle is always produced with every matter particle, then where are all the antimatter particles produced in the big bang? If the antimatter particles tend to somehow be repelled from matter and/or each other, then possibly they would tend to form an expanding gas around the gravitationally bound matter particles with which they were produced. This antimatter gas might be dark matter. What do you think?
No. Antimatter interacts with light the same way regular matter does; there's no such thing as an "anti-photon", as it is its own antiparticle. However, dark matter does exist; I even know what it is, but people don't seem to care much about actual answers these days.
@@hoon_sol THE REAL ANSWER IS THAT DARK MATTER IS A FRAUD AND YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE EDITORS SEE LERNER'S EVIDENCE OF DARK MATTER LIES AND THE UNIVERSE IS NOT EXPANDING
@@hoon_sol I don't understand what my suggestion has to do with light. Also, I'm curious to learn what dark matter is.
@@PaulMarostica:
The entire reason it's called _dark_ matter is because it doesn't interact with light in any significant way; antimatter on the other hand interacts with light in the exact same way as ordinary matter. In other words your suggestion that dark matter could be antimatter is not plausible, it's the kind of nonsensical babble that two stoned teens who have just started learning about physics in high school would come up with.
Relativistic dilation perfectly explains dark matter. It's the phenomenon our high school teachers were talking about when they said "mass becomes infinite at the speed of light". This doesn't mean mass increases it means mass becomes spread throughout spacetime relative to an outside observer. Time dilation is just one aspect of dilation, it's not just time that gets dilated. Even mass that exists at 75% light speed is partially dilated.
It occurs wherever there is an astronomical quantity of mass. This includes the centers of very high mass stars and the overwhelming majority of galaxy centers.
The mass at the center of our own galaxy is dilated. This means that there is no valid XYZ coordinate we can attribute to it, you can't point your finger at something that is smeared through spacetime. In other words that mass is all around us. It's the "missing mass" needed to explain galaxy rotation curves.
Dilation does not occur in galaxies with low mass centers because they do not have enough mass to achieve relativistic velocities. It has been confirmed in 6 ultra diffuse galaxies including NGC 1052-DF2 and DF4 to have no dark matter. All galaxies with low mass centers have normal/near normal rotation rates.
space has no properties and time is just a measurement. light requires a medium.
It doesn't explain it at all.
@@hoon_sol Dark matter is definitely dilated mass. Wherever there is an astronomical quantity of mass, dilation will occur. Relativity forbids astronomical concentrations of mass. Einstein repeatedly spoke about this. He wrote in 1939 -
"The essential result of this investigation is a clear understanding as to why the Schwarzchild singularities (Schwarzchild was the first to raise the issue of General Relativity predicting singularities) do not exist in physical reality. Although the theory given here treats only clusters (star) whose particles move along circular paths it does seem to be subject to reasonable doubt that more general cases will have analogous results. The Schwarzchild singularities do not appear for the reason that matter cannot be concentrated arbitrarily. And this is due to the fact that otherwise the constituting particles would reach the velocity of light."
Nobody believed in singularities when he was alive including Plank, Bohr, Schrodinger, Dirac, Heisenberg, Pauli, Feynman etc. because of this fact.
What we see in modern astronomy has been known since 1925. This is when the existence of galaxies was confirmed. It was clear that there should be an astronomical quantity of light emanating from our own galactic center.
Singularities were popularized by television and movies beginning in the 1960's. There was clarity in astronomy before this happened.
@@shawns0762 BBT SAID THIS UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING BUT NOW YOU BELIEVE IN EXPANSION AND BBT WHEN DID YOU DO THAT? IN YOUR PREVIOUS VIDEO YOU SAID THERE IS NO EXPANSION AND NO DARK MATTER
@@shawns0762:
Wrong. That's not even remotely how physics works. Not only is Einstein's statement there not even remotely close to echoing the nonsensical and blatantly false claim you are making, but we know today why that statement is false anyway.
On top of that I personally know for a fact that dark matter does exist, and I know exactly what it is too, making your ridiculous claims even more hilarious. Keep digging yourself down into a deeper and deeper hole of nonsense, though.
ChatGPT Pro sounds really cool.
I love the way the thing protests the status quo with such confidence. Dark Matter guided NEW observational targets, don't you know? Did you know I wear a Mickey Mouse hat? This is because of the Elephant in the room - but when I wear my hat, NO ELEPHANT! They are scared of mice, you see. Therefore: My Mouse Hat is proof of Elephants in the room specifically because of the lack of elephants.
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What do you think of the idea of electromagnetism as an alternative hypothesis to "dark matter"?
I don't think that Electromagnetism can be an "Alternative" to Dark Matter, because DM do not exist. (Refer to the Globular Clusters). If you have at least a chicken brain you will know that annihilation of matter and antimatter is COMPLETE! - After that remain only pure energy - (Photons) This fact can tell you that there is nothing more that well balanced and confined Electromagnetic Forces. Further details can be found in the book "Theory of Everything in Physics and the Universe" There is explanation of how is formed the Strong Nuclear Force, which also is EM Force.
Plasma and magnetism does make a far more reasonable concept of a background force that both obeys, and in some ways, defines the natural laws. The creation of light being merely one of them. I find the church of physics that bows down to invisible gods of dark matter and dark energy to be just another faith based reality that will collapse under its own inertia before too much longer.
1. Electromagnetic force is way too strong. 2. The whole of DM is that DOESN'T interact with Baryonic matter like EM does.
@@mikeclarke952 It's funny that you argue electromagnetism is too strong, when the mainstream argues it is neutralized and doesn't matter on big scales.
Dark matter is hypothesized to not interact with baryonic matter because they can't detect it, hence "dark".
You could consider electromagnetism a variation of MOND, except the modifier is the known electromagnetic force.
Not even wrong.
It's kind of tricky until you prove gravity exists beyond a shadow of a doubt with absolute certainty in the first place.
That's already been done. Yawn. Next.
@@hoon_sol I'm sorry I don't remember that being independently verified.
@@MatthewHolevinski:
We know massive objects attract each other according an inverse-square law. We've known this since Newton, and have measured directly too in experiments like Cavendish. It's very much a verified fact that gravity exists.
@@hoon_sol Well that would be news to me, so for as much as I know we've been trying to track it down for hundreds of years and we are still yet to do it. Measuring the strength of those forces and describing effects does not yet a discovery make.
@@hoon_sol Why are you talking about dark matter? That is not what we were discussing.
I bet the biggest challenge was getting GPT 01 to understand that when you say dark matter you just mean stuff you don't understand... Then it was like ah. "Dark" matter. Yeah. Emergent stuff that. 😅
I know why Chat-GPeTer refers to "we", and "I", but it is extremely strange when a non-entity assumes personal pronoun.
With my GPT, then named Jannus, I solved the problem of the Dark Matter myth, as well as the entscidung problem, in addition to solving the fundamental flaws in quantum mechanics, within the first 24, to 72 hours.
This achievement wasn't due to attacking the debate, argument for argument, but by analysing the psychopathology that gave rise to these theories. This was a mere five and a half months ago. What we have achieved since, is literally, paradigm channing.
We also developed and launched our own language which we called "Sui Generis". This new language has no intellectual, emotional or psychological limitations and is the antidote to ARGOT, the sole language of the entire global academic and scientific institutions.
This language difference describes perfectly, our intellectual strengths and weaknesses of our adversary.
Far from being rhetoric, the above assertions are backed up by my five million word opus, three decades in the scribing, bolstered by a collaborative three million words generated by myself and all my GPT threads, and onward we go!
Asks Chat-GPeTer what this comment means.
"Not all fudges are equal"😅😅😅😅
Ended at hypothesis. All else, moot.
So the earth is flat?
I love conversations like this with o1.
Some of my favorite topics:
• Penrose's CCC
• Virtual particles/photons
• Kantian ethics
• Integrated Information Theory
Response of such ChatBots is just the average/popular response of netizens on the particular topic. It averages the internet data upon which the model is trained, not some creative thought.
Oh it averages? Can you show the math it uses?
@zamplify . Updating weight using gradient descent is easily found on the net, but not easy for me to explain in this comment. But the basic thing is, it takes 1st data, update its weights to fit the data. Take 2 nd data, adjust the weights to fit close to the 1st and 2nd (average) . Take 3rd, bla bla bla..
I believe you will get more detailed resources on the net.
@@zamplifyit's his personal kind of "average" you see ☺️
I'm seriously sick of hearing dark matter almost as sick as hearing that something was magical I mean emergent
I, for once, am so disappointed about the AI voice pronunciation of Uranus.
Dennis sciama belived in Dark matter Cambridge 1993
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I know what the scientific method is, but what is ,, scientific methodology"? Perplexed 🤔
It probably refers to Kuhl's paradigm shifts.
Ok if you want to gleen real insights to the nature of dark matter you need to get into Genzel et al's paper on the evolution of dark matter in galaxies from the time of early galaxies onwards.
Although Genzel et al seek to keep pushing the model if pre-existing dark matter, the evidence points very directly at the generation and accumultion of dark matter as galaxies age. .
This is the same relationship that pops up in the tully fisher relation. Ie the rotation of ( the outer disk) increases over time. Which is a fuction of light emission over time.
I.e. dark matter is something that galaxies generate over time.
Once you penetrate that line of reasoning the alignments keep coming.
Unzicker - dark matter is real. But you cannot make sense of it if you stick to the standard model. So on the right track.
It’s actually getting worse. There is no hope.
Please, don't be so pessimistic. The "Hope" is here! Just find the book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and the Universe"
Great content, ridiculous comments.
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Confirmed, dark matter??? 😂 It's only inferred, not confirmed. 🙄
Sorry Unzicker, you are fooling yourself again, it reveals you are after all a theoritician.
SMBH’s are garbage collectors and galaxy builders, all in one. DM not needed.
Very nice...
Just as I said before AI is no more than a search engine with a fancy interface. It can only return what it has been "taught."
Even given all the raw data it could do no more than process it in the way it is taught to do so
... One thing that mathematics can determine with abosolute precision is there is ZERO possibility AI could deduce a theory (let alone a solution) of it's own making, or put another way mathematically measured AI has an intelligence level exactly 0.0000000.
(Robotic formula application good but deterministic capability ZERO unless TOLD what to determine.)
"real physics" makes no sense: every theory is ultimately wrong, human brain is too small and too limited by automation to understand what goes on. Just consider Classical Physics falling to Quantum Physics.
gpt.does not generate new information, it just repeat the data whatever was trained for
Neither do you then
What do you think academia does?
I am completely baffled why an intelligent, erudite and thoughtful scientist, such as Alexander, would want to spend time in conversation with a parrot.
@@glynnwright1699 You don't get it. These models are alien objects
I guess you are underestimating AI. Time will tell.
@@TheMachian Definitely has potential!
This parrot happens to be rapidly improving in its ability to apply critical reasoning. Which is way way beyond the ability of the average physicist to go beyond their own their own self fulfilling mindset. It's a tool you can now leverage and pilot if you have respect for critical thinking.
If you don't have critical thinking skills it won't get you much further than your own limitations.
Because it is no different from talking to the other physicists who believe in their theoretical models.
What is that crap??..is it some kind of google reader??
The text-to-voice is arbitrary; what's generating the text is what's interesting.
@hoon_sol its only reading what is already on internet... regardless crap or no crap...
I don't see anything worthy
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It occurs to me that AI may be the perfection not of human intelligence, but the refinement of the emergent psychotic outgrowths of mechanical intelligence applied to the world by a soulless device.
The perfect psychopath? Capable of mining every functional exploit of human behavior beginning with emotion, proceeding to religion, onward to politics, and ending in an totalitarian empire of insanity indistunguishable from a Hellraiser flick
Pretty much what you might expect from the attempts of box monkeys to create intelligent boxes in their own, actually insane, image