Something I don't hear talked about much is the possibility of being left wing economically i.e believing in safety nets, the welfare state , curbing corporate greed etc while simultaneously being more socially conservative e.g believing in marriage, prioritising family etc as Freya was discussing. Surely there must be many of us out there who think this way and don't necessarily fall along party lines on every issue.
Well thought out argument there. Additionally, everything you just stated sounds strikingly similar to what's called social market economy (soziale Marktwirtschaft) in Germany, which fundamentally was built on principles of Catholic social teaching (subsidiarity before solidarity etc.). What I want to point out is how difficult it is to transport left / right distinctions across continents, even countries. German mainstream acceptance of social market economy would be viewed as socialist in the US, but it's right wing to Western European leftist parties.
This is pretty much the standard belief of most working class people in England and probably most of the UK. This is what the Labour party used to represent, or at least they pretended to, before Tony Blair and 'New Labour'. I'm personally against the welfare state, as it's often abused and creates perverse incentives.
I've long thought that this is actually a very popular political position in the UK but it just hasn't been represented by any political party for decades. It's what the old Labour used to be. But we can't take for granted that people will get married properly and consider family their priority anymore because Christian norms have died away. So both parties are trying occupy popular liberal positions whilst having some difference in their economic strategy. Left wing economics with right wing culture is actually very popular.
It’s interesting how very liberal, permissive society can lead to a narrowing and constriction of the world - if a society is ‘anything goes’, which we think will lead to a flowy utopia of creative individual freedom actually leads to tyranny ( especially of thought). McGilchrist has said that creativity is born from discipline and constriction- you need that friction ( the coincidence of opposites) - I’m sure it was Jonathan Pageau who talked about the need for a level of public shame- not in a condemning, cruel way but, as you said the idea of a societal norm that people would feel some awareness of their part in transgressing - I would probably label myself as left liberal and when I see people throwing litter on the street and say something I can sometimes feel like a super matronly conservative woman from the 1950s 😂. There is something around societal norms, consensus reality, some discipline that actually gives birth to creativity and freedom and the ability to be who you really are surely.
I am so impressed with Freya's maturity and insight about her generation's experience. She is able to simultaneously be a member of this culture while also looking into their cultural moment with compassion and care. I am a mother of Gen Z children, and I join "adults" my age who corporately pray for Gen Z's challenges here in Alabama. She seems to be asking for more visible role models. We're here, you are not alone! She is a "sweet heart" (yes, that's a compliment) gently admonishing her peers to find truth, beauty, and goodness amidst the cheep materialism of their time. Also, shout out to faithful marriage. My husband and I have remained married 25 years... it is possible in the grace of Christ. I agree Freya, the nuclear family (male and female monogamy with children) is a good design and its value needs to be unapologetically upheld.
She is a breath of fresh air. I hope her insights start to catch the imagination of young ladies. They are in dire need of a voice like hers...
Something I don't hear talked about much is the possibility of being left wing economically i.e believing in safety nets, the welfare state , curbing corporate greed etc while simultaneously being more socially conservative e.g believing in marriage, prioritising family etc as Freya was discussing. Surely there must be many of us out there who think this way and don't necessarily fall along party lines on every issue.
Well thought out argument there. Additionally, everything you just stated sounds strikingly similar to what's called social market economy (soziale Marktwirtschaft) in Germany, which fundamentally was built on principles of Catholic social teaching (subsidiarity before solidarity etc.). What I want to point out is how difficult it is to transport left / right distinctions across continents, even countries. German mainstream acceptance of social market economy would be viewed as socialist in the US, but it's right wing to Western European leftist parties.
This is pretty much the standard belief of most working class people in England and probably most of the UK. This is what the Labour party used to represent, or at least they pretended to, before Tony Blair and 'New Labour'.
I'm personally against the welfare state, as it's often abused and creates perverse incentives.
I've long thought that this is actually a very popular political position in the UK but it just hasn't been represented by any political party for decades. It's what the old Labour used to be. But we can't take for granted that people will get married properly and consider family their priority anymore because Christian norms have died away. So both parties are trying occupy popular liberal positions whilst having some difference in their economic strategy. Left wing economics with right wing culture is actually very popular.
Sensible thinking.
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55:44 Of course she's a sweetheart. You're overthinking your gut reaction after the fact.
It’s interesting how very liberal, permissive society can lead to a narrowing and constriction of the world - if a society is ‘anything goes’, which we think will lead to a flowy utopia of creative individual freedom actually leads to tyranny ( especially of thought). McGilchrist has said that creativity is born from discipline and constriction- you need that friction ( the coincidence of opposites) - I’m sure it was Jonathan Pageau who talked about the need for a level of public shame- not in a condemning, cruel way but, as you said the idea of a societal norm that people would feel some awareness of their part in transgressing - I would probably label myself as left liberal and when I see people throwing litter on the street and say something I can sometimes feel like a super matronly conservative woman from the 1950s 😂. There is something around societal norms, consensus reality, some discipline that actually gives birth to creativity and freedom and the ability to be who you really are surely.
I am so impressed with Freya's maturity and insight about her generation's experience. She is able to simultaneously be a member of this culture while also looking into their cultural moment with compassion and care. I am a mother of Gen Z children, and I join "adults" my age who corporately pray for Gen Z's challenges here in Alabama. She seems to be asking for more visible role models. We're here, you are not alone! She is a "sweet heart" (yes, that's a compliment) gently admonishing her peers to find truth, beauty, and goodness amidst the cheep materialism of their time. Also, shout out to faithful marriage. My husband and I have remained married 25 years... it is possible in the grace of Christ. I agree Freya, the nuclear family (male and female monogamy with children) is a good design and its value needs to be unapologetically upheld.