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The Ups and Downs of Batman Telltale - An Serious Review
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
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0:00 - being both an actor and co-author
1:15 - Season 1
4:06 - Season 2
7:32 - discussions
8:33 - credits/ final message
|| mystery song of the day ||
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here; "Huge success"
It's hard to overstate
My satisfaction
Aperture Science:
We do what we must
Because we can
For the good of all of us
Except the ones who are dead
But there's no sense crying
Over every mistake
You just keep on trying
Till you run out of cake
And the science gets done
And you make a neat gun
For the people who are
Still alive
I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now
Even though you broke my heart,
And killed me
And tore me to pieces
And threw every piece into a fire
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you
Now, these points of data
Make a beautiful line
And we're out of beta
We're releasing on time
So I'm GLaD I got burned
Think of all the things we learned-
For the people who are
Still alive
Go ahead and leave me
I think I'd prefer to stay inside
Maybe you'll find someone else
To help you?
Maybe Black Mesa?
That was a joke Haha - Fat Chance
Anyway this cake is great
It's so delicious and moist
Look at me: still talking
When there's science to do
When I look out there,
It makes me GLaD I'm not you
I've experiments to run
There is research to be done
On the people who are
Still alive
And believe me I am
Still alive
I'm doing science and I'm
Still alive
I feel fantastic and I'm
Still alive
While you're dying I'll be
Still alive
And when you're dead I will be
Still alive
Still alive
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What I love about Telltale is that Bruce can't have it all.
To become batman, you lose friends, family, loved ones.
We seriously need season 3. I loved these games. I also loved that they gave Batman a voice changer. It helps protect his identity.
The developers studio was shut down
@@Silver_Spectre I know what happened to Telltale. I hope we somehow get a season 3 since some other company is developing Wolf Among Us 2.
@@Silver_Spectre Telltale was bought and reopened.
@@tyebou3276 Happy news ~
@@tyebou3276 Good!
Honestly, John Doe is such a fascinating version of the Joker that he almost doesn’t feel like the Joker at all. Like, there’s obviously a lot of parallels between the two, but John’s just so… different. He feels like a guy that really does need help, but could be helped, who isn’t destined for supervillainy or anything cliche like that. It’s what makes his Vigilante route so great, because he genuinely, truly, earnestly is trying to be as heroic as Batman, and you get the impression that, if things went a bit differently, maybe he really could.
Really, John Doe is a testament to what the game did best: Taking the familiar characters apart and reworking them. Vicky Vale goes from a bland reporter love interest to a villainous femme fatale. Penguin goes from a parody of upper crust elites and is instead more of a working class hero whose need for revenge takes him down (because he’s still a villain). Harley Quinn, no longer the victim of an abusive relationship with the Joker, instead she’s the one in control… although the relationship is still abusive.
And honestly, my favorite of them: Thomas Wayne no longer being the angel that Bruce can look up to, instead revealed as not just bad, but a thoroughly corrupt mob boss. The “The Batman” movie this year felt like it was trying to hit those same notes, but without the commitment to really follow through on it, while Telltale had the freedom to really try something there, and it really echoed throughout the games. I don’t know if I want a Season 3, it’s a whole mess with the studio folding and then getting resurrected/replaced-with-scabs, but I’m glad for what we did get, at the very least.
I’m fine with how the latest movie handled Thomas Wayne. I think it’s equally fair to make him not simply plain evil but a human being that was human and flawed. It creates difficulty for Bruce to process. And it nicely reflects the hope and flaws of Gotham. There is good there and yet weakness can create evil too.
I will agree that the Joker is handled so well in this game that you almost have to treat him like being someone completely distinct from the Joker. It takes advantage of our knowledge and maybe even fear of the Joker while giving John Doe a great story arc.
While playing Batman Telltale, John Doe reminded me a lot of an "old" character from the *Nightwing* run that started in 1996 (and ended in 2009)...
Tad Ryerstad, aka _Nite-Wing_
Like John Doe with Batman, Tad idolizes Dick Grayson/Nightwing, and genuinely wants to become a hero to fight at his side.
Dick is usually the level-headed ex-Robin, so we think he's going to turn this dude down, but Nite-Wing shows at a time where he needs an ally to take Blockbuster down, and...
The reader know that Tad means well, but is not right in the head, but Dick didn't see all what we did, and he agrees to train Nite-Wing while not seeing what is obvious to us.
Thing is, you really get attached to Tad, I know I did at least, so even if you know things are going to end up badly I kept hoping that Grayson would find a way...
Sadly, it pretty much ends like the good ending to John Doe, without Dick assuring him that they've ever been friends, which then turns in the bad ending, and in the end, well...
I'm glad I was at least able to visit John in Arkham, and even if I don't have much hope left for another Telltale game, I'll be sure to buy it if a sequel ever comes out.
@@Flaris The Batman's Thomas Wayne is an excellent compromise because the reason he did what he did is...entirely understandable. He was a wonderful husband & father, who dearly loved his wife, and couldn't imagine people hurting her like that. If some asshole were threatening to do that to someone I cared for, and *knew* couldn't take it, and I had the means to ensure it doesn't happen? It'd take a lot to persuade me otherwise.
I'm not too fond of this push to make the Waynes out to be bad guys. It reeks too much of "they're rich so there's no way they could be good people" which seems to be an all too common ideology of late.
@@jovenc4508 That's why I think The Batman does it better. You get a little more ambiguity with Thomas Wayne, but it's from a noble place. It also showcases that Bruce is truly his father's son, because what is more "Batman" than being willing to do something morally questionable for the sake of loved ones?
I fucking *love* Batman Telltale. It’s *so* good. But season 2 is definitely much, much better. It probably is one of my favorite takes on The Joker.
By no means perfect, but I still think that alongside The Wolf Among Us and TWD season 1, the Batman games are peak of Telltale. I really hope we'll get season 3.
I do hope we get a season 3. It was so well done. Although I would add Tales from the Borderlands too since that was really excellent. I’d love a season 2 of that.
@@Flaris
New Tales from the Borderlands is on the way.
Telltale is dead as a company right?
@@viderevero1338 Nope, someone bought them and they're working on Wolf Among Us 2 right now.
@@jovenc4508 It's a shame that this ended up being terrible. I had to stop an hour and a half in, it was actually painful to play. The first one was so brilliant.
Nice to see TT Batman get more exposure. I've been saying for years that, while not perfect, it's the best new interpretation of the Batman mythos that we've had in a long time - maybe since TAS. I really hope we get a season 3 someday.
You can especially see it with how they handled Two-Face. They knew that his turn will villainy will hit us way harder if we got to know him beforehand and BOY did it hit hard
@@bananatiergod it also gives a perfect explanation for why he's "two face". He didn't go insane and develop a second personality, he was drugged that made that personality be created. The personality doesn't just come out of nowhere
@@ultradeathboy It's a little bit of both. If you saved him at the debate, Harvey mentions that the drug will affect some "issues" he has and make them "unmanageable", so it probably was there but the drug made it go out of control
This game nails something I've always thought about, but never seen explored.
Being batman is HARD.
The last episode of season 2 is honestly the best and really shows how your choices matter and how telltale did care. You can trust John and turn him into the joker, not a criminal but rather a violent anti-hero-like person. Or you can try to arrest him and be weary of him, pushing him to be the murderer and monster we know joker to be in literally every other universe. It's something I really like that they did. The whole thing about joker in the games is that his insanity and not knowing his backstory could actually be more useful in making him a vigilante rather than a villain. In the end depending on your choices, he can murder people just for the fun of it and release a deadly virus on the city, or he can help you take down Waller and this game's version of her suicide squad, killing people only because he believes killing is the only way to bring justice, which makes it all so much more different than normal joker we get in other games, shows, movies, and comics. And depending on which one you fight and whether or not you considered them a friend in the end could be perfect for determining what happens in season 3
I'm pretty sure Bane was part of The Pact because he wanted to cure his addiction to Venom. Which makes it a bit tragic when he's "recruited" to Task Force X and he's attached to a mask that pumps him full of it.
When does it say anything about what happened to Bane? Is that in some expanded universe thing?
@@jammydodger222Xxdin ep5 we see Bane getting forced to become part of wallers team with harley and cat woman
I love Telltale Batman because it was actually willing to shake up the Batman formula a little for once instead of the usual cramming it full of Killing Joke references. Also the fact that Bane never once talks about breaking backs and there was a twist villain I actually didn't see coming was also very refreshing.
Telltale’s Bruce Wayne may have the best voice out of all Batman video games. It’s so perfect for him and doesn’t sound forced in the slightest
the voice acting in this game was Next Level
Kevin Conroy tho
@@thegreatblue3075 o7
You know what I liked about Telltale batman? It explores the story of Bruce more than the comics or the movies. And i especially like how batmans backstory is radically subverted by making one small change, that the waynes were not a philantrophic saint of a family that all other batman media put them up to be. This really puts into perspective what bruce is really fighting for instead of the same old story of my parents are dead.
Doesn’t seem all that unique to me. Might be confirmation bias, but except for B:TAS, I can’t find a modern version that even mentions Bruce’s parents and doesn’t demonize them in some way. Even Batman Begins makes them look ineffectual. Personally, I think they work best as role models for Bruce. Making what he believes about them to be a lie is just stupid and unhealthily cynical. Not everything about has life has to or should suck.
It makes me really happy I'm not the only one that really just liked batman and joker being bffs
The idea of Batman creating his villains is one I absolutely love
I hate it. Batman is supposed to represent change in Gotham and if he creates villains all he does is make things worse.
Even tho he doesn't create any of the villain in Tell Tale lol all these villains either were around before Batman or were created from completely different motivations.
@@Sean-Johnson Batman has never changed shit in Gotham , and it's only made it worse
Really love this game. I won't say this is the best version of Joker, but I really like John Doe character and how we can shape him
Telltale Joker really is my favorite presentation, and I've always been a big fan of Mark Hamill's Joker so that's saying a lot.
Of course, he didn't go full Joker in my playthrough.
I Love Telltale.
I Love how this is more of Bruce's Wayne story then Batman's.
I love this game! I haven't seen as much recent videos/commentary on UA-cam about it. I love the this take on Bruce especially in season two. And John becoming friends with him is such a great addition to the story. There's a lot of tragedy to the character, but toward the end you have the choice to hope. To give seeds of possibility of their friendship continuing.
i love how telltale took a chance on batman, by far my fav series to playthrough, nice vid
Absolutely adored both seasons. Possibly my favorite version of the Batman mythos; I admire how much they reinvented everything
My favorite Telltale experience. Love seeing this on your channel!
I would absolutely be all on top of a season 3 if it ever got made!
Yeah same here
4:55 Bruce is a bit more morally ambiguous here since he manipulates John's friendship with him to take down the rest of the Pact.
As if he's never done that before in comics. Batman is known for being manipulative.
My favorite playthrough I did of this game was trying to make it as comic accurate as possible, so I did things like not telling Tiffany he's batman as a way to not make her the first sidekick but making her and Batman end on somewhat good terms.
I really love this one: A game with a great story that subverts a lot of things in the Batman lore but keeps just enough. It sucks that most choices in season 1 didn't really matter in the end, but season 2 really made up for it with how they handled Joker.
To be fair, there is actually a similar split in how Season 1 ends - whether you stop Cobblepot or Dent alters a significant portion of not only the episode, but the characters' relationships. Dent is actually more scared of himself in the aftermath if you didn't stop him at Wayne Manor. While I agree that certain moments being hardcoded was a disappointing consequence of the season's limited budget, you are given a fair amount of agency with Selina, Gordon, and Alfred. Which is why a lot of Season 2 tests all three of those relationships on top of John, which alongside the many new villains, honestly multiplies the number of unique relationship dynamics you can develop.
Plus, I'm gonna add, even if she's deadset in her ways, this series has the most interesting version of Vicki Vale (in over a decade AT LEAST).
I recently completed both seasons of batman telltale and I really enjoyed it. I was kind of sad that we got no goodbye scene from Selina even after you help her and that cliffhanger at the end interesting. We need another season with like an introduction to Poison Ivy or something.
Looking back on it the 1st season didn't give much impact on our choices, if our choices could've only changed Harvey's fate I would have been fine.
Oswald and Vicki was always a going to be against Bruce cause of what his father did, and they wanted revenge. The difference between the 2 was that revenge was what defined Vicki, so she went the whole way to kidnap alfred, but Oswald was happy taking all of Bruce's money and forcing Bruce to live the life of poverty that Oswald did.
I wish Johns transformation at the end of episde 4 was determined by a score system of decisions made through out all 5 episodes. You can be totally against John make all the choices against him but still make that one final choice to trust him at the end and it's like you were friends with him the whole time lol that's probs my only gripe with it. Other then that I still loved it
We need season 3!! I loved playing
I absolutely love John Doe and Bruce Wayne relationships in these games 🥰, They don't really seem to hate each other at all in these games even though Batman is supposed to be against the Joker
Telltale Batman will always be one of the better Batman stories we’ve ever seen. It’s not perfect, but this take on Batman is so refreshing and it felt like Telltale was genuinely trying to innovate on the character and I think Season 2 did a much better job with making your choices feel weighted.
This is one of my favorite jokers🃏 ever
John Doe hurts my heart. Great video!
I absolutely LOVE this game it has a great mixture of the Animated Series with the Nolan movies type of feeling and this version of Joker is CRIMINALLY underrated
Will there be a season 3 of BATMAN TELLTALE
this is such a good review! Ive seen so many :I videos on this game so thank you for talking about how strong of an emotional impact this game has.
I love TellTale's version of Batman. I was really hoping that the movie starring Robert Pattinson would similarly go into the implications of Bruce's father building a legacy of lies, but they chickened out at the last moment. They pretty much stick to their guns in The Enemy Within though, and I really appreciate that. There should be more Batman stories that aren't afraid to go that far if they're going to go for that route.
I think what you did with Dent mattered. You couldn’t save Dent from his decline, but his suffering and his mental scars would be far greater if not for your help. Even unscarred Dent can become Two-Face, but you’re still there to help him. But I agree that John Doe’s Joker and your choices are far more important.
Replayed it recently, I love this series
I would love to see a tall tale Batman and Robin, with a bigger cast and more ambitious stories.
I absolutely loved these games! Really hope the reborn Telltale do another!
Season 1 was fine, but season 2 is easily my favorite piece of Batman media. John is by far the most original and in depth take on the Joker I’ve ever seen.
I still prefer the balance of Batman and Bruce in the original season. For me, only S2 E5 has major enough deviations to be interesting to revisit. But I just love the world of the first season, and seeing all the different cutscenes, even if they mean nothing in the end
Of course, if I want to see a true choice-based game, I just watch Detroit
I hope we get a Dick Graysons Robin and see the rise and fall of that relationship
Beautiful messages
I was really hoping that you would talk about how the player is largely robbed of choice by this series due to the iconic relationship between the joker and batman. I was so excited when you brought up john and was sad to see you didn't touch on some of its most messed up pieces. I don't know if you got these scenes in your play throughs but I have gotten both and through talking with others have come to the conclusion that you can only get one of these scenes and neither impact the story at all even though they really should. Here's what I'm talking about for those who haven't heard or seen them for themselves: in Batman telltale you can get either a scene where John says he has romantic feelings for Bruce or one where Bruce implies he had feelings for John. However these two scenes are mostly treated like they don't exist by the game at large and there is no option as Bruce to act on it in any way. If John confesses to Bruce you have no choice but to be silent or turn him down.
Telltale Batman is one of the greatest experiments with the character and I am so glad it exists even if we never get any more. Honestly during The Batman my mind kept going to how I feel Telltale went farther with certain ideas, not even due to the amount of time, but because they took serious risks. Thomas Wayne does not get an out for some of his crimes, and while Vicki and the Riddler end up kinda having the same failings, Vicki works far better for me because her parallels with Bruce went farther. Riddler could have been perfect, but I felt they fumbled and then completely crashed with that essentially 4th act. Vicki not having any real difference in reaction to learning Bruce is Batman sucks, but the character still drew me in so much because Bruce being Batman doesn't change most of her critiques.
As for John Doe, god they did some beautiful with that. Never thought I would deeply care for the Joker and Batman's friendship. Its funny, I made sure my Bruce cared for John every step of the way, but I still went with making him Joker and I honestly stand by it. I get why people prefer the vigilante ending, but there is something so wonderful for me about Bruce screwing up that friendship in such a key way that he cares just as much as he does in the vigilante ending, but now he doesn't have a broken friend John to go back to and see, but a Joker that cares about him just as much but sees them fighting as the only way for him to help Bruce.
I loved emphasizing Bruce Wayne over Batman, always hated the "batman is the true face" shit, and Telltale made a story that let me fully commit to that, to the point of literally choosing Alfred over Batman in both seasons. And that was why I went villain, Bruce, not Batman being the one to fail John and make him the Joker, and their final scene/first scene when you think about it, being Bruce as himself, as the man John was friends with, the humanity in him John helped save, making the ending all the more crushing. I fully believe in there being hope for that friendship, which is why I went with it ending like that. Joker happy about playing with Batman from now on, while Bruce is left just wanting his friend back
"you broke my heart" never ceases to fucking hurt everytime. What an incredible series
I hope I live to see The Batman Telltale Game Series will sooner or later continue with Season 3 and many more Season Sequels and I mean many more Season Sequels like 15 Seasons HELL YEAH! 🦇😊👍👍💯♥️❤️💖💝🎊
It has its downs and ups, Jhon Doe is fine, nothing that good, it was fun to see Harley creating Joker (some one had to test it out), but it should stay as it is. But HOLY FUCK Selina is soo well written from the beggining to the end, I know its the work of og voice acctres, but i cant stop myself from smileing when shes on screen, whole realationship Cat- Bat is perfectliy done.
I loved both seasons I want a season 3 in the future after expanse and wolf among us season 2
I find it funny how they always manage to screw Bane up in every damn adaptation (except for the fantastic Arkham Origins Bane). Even Paul Dini couldn’t write a good Bane.
Imagine if Season 1 had the choice that Season 2 gave you. That'd have been amazing.
Ive always been offput by the art style of telltale games, but this video just made me want to play this series. Good shit as always my man
When did telltale come back? There's been no announcement? Bane was great in this series the most comicbook accurate. The villain characters always end up becoming the villains their meant to be even if you choose the good endings. John Doe becomes a vigilante yes but he ends up becoming a version of the joker anyway. It's a good game but your taking part in a movie that already has 2 set points where either outcome is batmans villains become the villains their meant to be or some alternate version.
Telltale Games filed for assignment in October 2018. Many assets were later acquired by LCG Entertainment, which revived the Telltale Games name as part of its business in August 2019, retaining many of the company's previous licenses and offering former staff freelance positions.
Also The Wolf Among Us Season 2 is back on track and they released a teaser with some game footage awhile back.
Always glad to see someone talk about these games, they weren’t perfect but the narrative was truly unforgettable
I remember seeing them on Xbox gold free games and I binge the games in a couple of days
I will never forget that story
Whenever I replay these games i forget how tight the writing is
8:33 HOLY FUCK THE FLASHBANG JESUS CHRIST, great video tho 👍
Finally I love this game
I loved this game, beat both of them over the weakened and was so fun from friend zoning Catwoman multiple times to being best friends with john and Gordon
If your doing video games now, you should really dive deep into Red Dead Redemption 2!
This version of joker is pretty damn cool and interesting.
Man I love cat women. I hope in season 3 she make things out with Bruce Wayne.
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"An serious review"
Okay, Thomas and Martha weren’t corrupt in The Batman… but helping Carmine Falcone did kind of put them in a very bad spot. They were just desperate people and desperation makes people do the dumbest things imaginable. Absolutely NO ONE is as bad as the TellTale Thomas Wayne.
cant talk rn babe i’m watching a telltale batman analysis
*A* serious review
Telltale also made Minecraft Story Mode. Let that sink in.
you could've warned us this was a heavy spoiler to the ending in the first few sentences in the vide.
music was too loud but the video was good
*A Serious
I honestly loved John Doe and I hated that I had to exploit him to save lives
wait, I had no idea you could turn Harvey into two-face in season 1.
maybe because I keep siding with Harvey no matter how many times I play it...
I'm buying this game. I'll play as a hero, then I'll play as a despicable douchebag
*A serious review, not “an”
What’s the name of the song playing at the start of the season 1 section
OTE - Where We Wanna Go
Telltale batman realm of shadows
@@TheSpeedMason Thank you sir, this guy has great music in all his videos but he doesn't tell us the song ahaha
'An' serious review
Dunno how Telltale games lasted as long as they did. Your choices never matter.
Season 1 was fun but had issues and season 2 fixed 90% of those issues leading to it being so much fun.
A serious review*
Nice
Holy Geez!!
Yep, as typical of the telltale formula - no matter how good or how badly you treat characters or even the story itself, the story doesnt change
Therefore that warning at the start of each episode is completely fabricated and useless in its meaning
Zex❤
Great video
What are the songs that u used?
Hey dude. I know English isn't probably your first language, I can hear some kind of accent? This is just me nit-picking but generally 'An' is prefaced before a word with a 'i' , 'e' pr 'o' in singular context. Like you could say "an elephant," "an octopus" or "an idiot" to describe the stingy grammatical arsehole I'm being right now. So "an serious review" seems less serious rather than "a serious review." But who cares you are very self-aware and you could keep it in for irony's sake if you wanted to.
might want to edit the title, it should be "A Serious Review", not "An Serious Review"
Not once
an serious review lololoolololololol
A Serious*
I don't like Alfred in this he is too much of a Coward.
Pretty sure I played this... I have no memory of it
A'n' serious?
is it just an “a” or really an “an”. im so confused and im an english major
@ralsei that’s what i thought loll
Algorithm
Co-author seems a bit of a stretch