at 14:39 I said the mags had eight rounds each. They did. I fired seven then nine because I reloaded before the rifle was empty. There was still a round in the chamber. this illustrates one of the advantages of the M-1A
Paul Harrell this is a new comment and yet I feel like I have read this exact comment before. Did you by chance have this same scenario on another rifle?
Maybe three times @14:34 he only shot 7 rounds not 8 and completed a tactical reload...he avoided needing to send the bolt forward thus saving a couple seconds.
@@robertpowers1045 My take?... That wasn't lying, it wasn't even cheating... That was just counting and situational awareness. The rules were _"There will be a magazine change for each of us”..._ he was just smart about it.
"To be average scares the hell out of me", Unknown by me. I try to either get better, or do not give a shit. I wrote software for a living, and I tried to be the best I could be. My last two implementations were defect free. Yes, I brag.
I never noticed it before but the gas venting from the M1A's metered operating system was obvious in the video. I've fired both M1 and M1A and noticed breech and muzzle flash (not so much flash from the M1A due to flash suppressor)--it would be interesting to do a video on the M1A firing in darkness to see if the breech flash is greater than the gas port flash.
Fantastic presentation! In regards to the M14 I heard a joke from the Marine veteran which went like this: “The ordnance almost replaced all of the weapons in its arsenal with the M14, since on full auto the first round suppresses the infantry, second suppresses enemy logistics and third one shoots down aircrafts”
On any tube. Facts, you keep using tha t word, I do no think it mean wut you think it mean. Paul is confident in standing on the authority of truth. His knowledge is based in the practical tested measured demonstrated repeatable with independent variables to prove or determine a cause effect relationship or outcome. Wisdom is knowledge applied Facts are fickle as Einstein like he said, if they don't fit the theory, change the facts. Whaaaaaaaa? Shiench Truth has a particular resonance that all your senses agree with. If you have ever seen a color so loud it felt like you could taste the smell of it. Well, You too could become a padawan...
I don't take his opinions as facts personally I don't think Paul would want people to either. Do your own research as well but he definitely deserves credit he dose know what hes talking about
Absolutely. Extremely important when determining which is the “better” rifle. The garand was unmatched in its day. M1A had much closer competition and I’m my opinion, wasn’t even close to being the best battle rifle of its time.
i wasnt expecting that, made me choke a bit on my coffee...ah hell isnt it amazing how random bits of silly things like that can be fuckin hilarious at certain times
If you can hear that ping even within 10m of the shooter during a battle then you ave super human hearing abilities!! you can't even hear it on the bloody video without have to really try hard!!
The ping is actually designed to bait the enemy. You are out, but the guy next to you is not. The Kraut across the way sticks his head up to blast you in the two seconds it takes to reload and gets popped in the dome by your buddy
@@baalzamon3593 I don't think it was "designed" for that more a clever adaption by us troops. Whatever way you put it a distinctive sound when you need to reload isn't a helpful feature on a war rifle.
@ 8:03 "Accuracy is rendered invalid when I shoot off-hand because I add too much of a variable to the equation." Said from the mouth of the only UA-camr who is more accurate than hickok45.
Explain to me why I like Paul’s videos so much. The calm Bob Ross-like demeanor, the methodical analysis, the fun shooting with the mountainous echo, or that he doesn’t roll with a silly looking battle belt on a civi?
My grandfather was there. He was permanently deaf in his right ear from a flamer unit tank exploding 50 yrds from him. He had burn scars all down his back. Normandy was a living, breathing hell on Earth from the stories he told me. Seeing your bootcamp buddies body parts flying around, gallons of blood pouring into the ocean, nearly everyone dying before they could even get boots on dry ground. Thank God for those men's iron clad bravery.
Eric Kolb I’m not sure about how the horrors of war make attempted social change null and void. I was taught to appreciate what you have, but to always still strive for better. Not to say that I even weigh in on either side of the bathroom debate. I havnt kept up with the politics involved in it too much. Just playing devil’s advocate and poking at the logic of your argument.
Patton in his day felt the Garand was the ultimate at the time. This actually shows a good reason why, plus the extra weight helps when using the bayonet. I have a soft spot for history.
The Garand most definitely was. The only contemporary rifle that was comparable was the Russian SVT-40 which, in design, was actually far superior and closer in capability to the later M14. Where the SVT-40 fell short was in production tolerances, which led to some reliability issues; accuracy was still comparable with a Garand, though. The Russians also didn't have nearly enough for everyone, and had to stop production in 1942 in order to mass-produce Mosin Nagants to ensure every soldier had SOMETHING.
My grandfather was an Army Captain (O3) on D-Day. During the beachhead operations his M1 started giving him issues. Well after taking the beach etc… they had some down time so being an engineer by trade he refused to get a new rifle until he figured out what was wrong with his current rifle. As he was function testing, the rifle fired unintentionally. My grandfather was pointing it into a hedgerow and killed a Nazi that was hiding there. Poor guy had lost his rifle and was hiding in the hedge row. My grandfather didn’t know the guy was there and it was an accidental/ malfunction discharge. Needless to say he ended up getting a new rifle.
Going back and watching old Paul Harrell videos, damn 😥 We miss you Paul, i hope your family sees these type of messages. I'm extremely happy that your brother will keep your channel alive and well.
@@silvermediastudio Bahahaha... Nice, subtle observation. Com'on, anyone shooting against Paul is going to be SAF. But I totally agree. Mad props to Chuck for getting out there next to Paul, and in his Wermarcht getup, to boot. GAG!
@@bradbowhunts Not someone who... practices in the use of combat arms. Someone who even casually competes in high-power rifle or similar. Honestly Paul's cadence was good but could have been a lot faster without giving up accuracy, it's called the rifleman's cadence. I'm sure Chuck is a decent shot but this wasn't his forte. The way he's holding that AK is somewhat amusing. I'm also surprised Paul doesn't use a hasty sling (or the hasty hasty), both of them would benefit greatly with the stability offered. Afterall it was a technique taught in WWII infantry training, along with seated, kneeling, and prone positions with and without the sling. Lost arts I guess.
to be fair, he would be referring to himself as a professional in the way of gun handling, safety, and knowledge. now shooting/group targeting can be put in a different category than those other three.
He said average “shooter” your a tool bag. And so are the 54 thumbs up. Plenty of law enforcement out there that are average shooters but are proficient in handling a weapon.
@@habaneropepper4156 My comment was meant more as a form of reverence toward Mr. Paul. As I personally enjoy his videos and his humor, and personally see him as a professional, due to his down to earth demeanor and real world outlook towards, firearms, ammo, gun ownership etc.
@@AlexNV75 and bruce yeah, caught that. too many 2A people don't get that Bernie is pretty mild on guns. they also don't know that "are you kidding me" has said that if he wants them, he'll just take them. no due process.
I just want to point out that M1A is, other than a cartridge difference, the rifle that Garand designed in the 30s. The 8 round en bloc clip was an ingenious engineering solution to the War Department's insistence that box magazines (a la BAR) were not to be used.
The BM 59 is the rifle that Garand designed in the '30s but in 7.62x51 with a box magazine (in fact, a lot of early BM 59s were converted Garands). The M14/M1A, on the other hand, is not. The gas system and other components were messed about with in ways that ridiculously delayed development, vastly inflated costs, and eliminated commonality of parts. That's why the M14, despite being generally considered a fine rifle in itself, was an obsolescent mistake *as a wide-issue infantry rifle* when it was adopted.
@@jic1 Not disagreeing with you there. I mean in it's layout and high level design it's substantially similar to the Garand, which rifle was originally supposed to have a detachable magazine. The denial of that feature was... unfortunate - but the rifle works fine as is. While I don't have the pleasure of owning an M1, I suspect the en bloc clip is superior to stripper clips.
Paul, I've been orbiting around firearms for many years of my life, but there has always been a mental barrier barrier for me between being interested and being overwhelmed. But you are an excellent teacher, and your videos are very straightforward and thorough. Thank you very much!
I had some experience with both, in the early '70's, in High School Junior Reserve Officers Training Corp, which I spell out so young men today realize how things have changed. After learning how to shoot a .22LR target rifle with micrometer adjustable aperture sights, on an indoor range (12 high schools in town had indoor ranges) at 50 ft, from prone, sitting, kneeling, with sling support, and standing, for two school years, our two teams of 4 got to get on a bus and shoot the National Match Course on a Army training Camp with 200, 300, and 600 yard lines, at 10'x10' target frames which were raised and lowered, (marked with 3"disks so the shooter could see the hit without a spotting scope) in a place called "the pits" the crack of the bullet passing over your head telling you to lower the target and mark it, then raise it. The Lake City ammo was free. So the 600yrd target was 48"D, and the x ring was 6"D, or 1 MOA and some rifles could do that with match ammo. Now ammo is so good, and hunting rifles, and optics, I saw a fella shoot 1/2 MOA with a Rem 700 with hunting bullets, out of the box. This was a hold over from WWII training. IIRC the course was 10 rounds rapid fire (1 min) prone (from standing up) then 10 rounds standing slow (10 min) then move back to 300 for sitting, ten rounds, then back to 600 for 20 rounds prone slow (20 min) Total possible score of 500 points, 50x. We were shooting at bulls eyes which were sized to be the same size as the front sight blade when sighting and marked with scoring rings, the smallest being the x ring. At that time I weighed 115 lbs, 5'10" stringbean HS Junior, and the recoil in prone would shift me off target center, if I used the regulation position, so I had to get my body in line behind the gun. After 20 rounds on the 600 yrd line, I had a headache. Senior year my Dad bought a National Match prepared M-I Grand (thats what we called it, because it was indeed "Grand"). I got to shoot that with free ammo as well. most marked NM. Then we got to go to Camp Perry Ohio where they had the National Matches. This video brought back the smell of 20 rifles shooting 200 rounds of .30 cal in one minute, on the line on a summer day in Indiana, in 1970 something, when I was hot shit. This comment is by way of saying thanks Paul, and thanks Dad, and thanks Major Wilhelm - who was coach, bus driver, and source of free Lake City NM. (Who took responsibility for us kids - or were we young men?) Not all issue M-1s were accurate. Same with M-14 (what we called it). Most needed glass bedding of the stock and NM barrels and op rods and sights and triggers. You had to take care with the flash suppressor of the 14, was the only difference to me. In the Marines I qualified with a M-16 that had a trigger little better than the Dasiy Red Rider I started with - thanks to Mom and Dad for cocking that for me when I was not yet strong enough, and supplying me with B-B's for years. (still have that one too) If people spent as much time training as they do talking about (The Best Whatever), they would be shooting as good as Paul, or better may be. Get to know the trigger of one rifle, one that won't make you develop a flinch with recoil, that's my way. Shooting fast is not my way. Hitting the target center, every time, or holding off, is my way. Steel and wood and aperture sights is my way. Staying out of fights, gun or otherwise is my way. True, I may not survive some situations where you would with no problems, cest la vie. Gotta know your own limitations. Gotta keep training to know. Good Luck America.
@GOMER PYLE I did! While my memories are vastly different it was still a reminder of times when kids like me would walk through the neighborhood with a BB gun or later a .22 on their way to the nearby abandoned cornfield to have an enjoyable time plinking at whatever until sunset and nobody thought twice about it. Rifles & shotguns were a common sight in the back window of pickups at the high school and we didn't shoot up the school. I'll give you credit for not saying "OK Boomer" though
It sounds like high school was awesome back in the day. It sucked so bad for my millennial generation that my mom pulled me out of it to go to Jr. college instead. I did not feel like a worthless degenerate there, TFG. Definitely not enough professionals running the school systems these days. Oh well...
Average shooter here... just purchased a M1 Garand and looking for a good M1A deal. Once again, thank you so much for your expertise and your ability to educate us with common language and tangible examples. Great job, Paul!
I am also an M1 Garand owner, although if Paul is an average shooter, I wouldn't be so bold as to try to claim that label for myself as well. 20 years ago, I was looking for a good M1A deal and wound up buying an FN FAL clone (Entreprise Arms-made StG-58 clone to be specific) instead. I wouldn't mind finding an M1A deal, but the FAL has successfully scratched my "semi-auto .308" itch since I got it.
I was so happy Paul commented on this...it's been a HOT debate for decades now that wearing the proper attire CAN and WILL make you better! *looks at his brown pants with a smile*
Props to Chuck for making his UA-cam debut by shooting against Paul Harrell. I'd love to shoot with Paul, but not in front of a camera that's destined for the World Wide Web.
Also do not forget that the M1A/M14 can also be loaded at the top with a stripper clip. I own an M1A and stripper clips for .308 rounds, and that combination makes it a joy to shoot and reload. Not bad for a rifle that is suppose to be state of the art at the time of introduction (1950s), but still sticking to its tradition as a rifleman's rifle.
In 1979 I earned the Navy Expert Rifleman medal with an M14. I had done a lot of shooting in my life but it was the first time I had ever fired an M14 before. Awesome weapon!
I fired one at NAS Whidbey Island a few weeks after September 11th 2001. What was really fun was the little lever on the back of the rifle, that went from semi-auto to full auto to get rid of the rest of the ammo after qualifications (that's the only full auto M-14 I've ever seen)!
I love them both! LGS has a "Tanker" Garand in .308; I'd love to add it to my collection. I carried a scoped M14 (not M21) in Military Service, and it served me well. I used to own a nice WW2 M1 Garand, had to sell it (along with all but 2 guns) when I became Disabled.
I got my dad a brand new Springfield Armory M14 (I don’t care what the civilian designation is, it’s an M14) 14 years ago. It came with a US Army M14 manual. He tossed it aside and said: “the army would need a manual to figure out how to wipe their butt” and proceeded to field strip the gun from memory 40 years after having served in the USMC.
@@classicgunstoday1972 to be fair, the army was still issuing M14s up until the m110 (AR10) was in wide issue. My friend had an M14 in each Stryker for use as a DMR. One thing to have been trained on the old girl. A whole nother one to have to learn her from scratch!
With everyone staying home, you’ll need to produce many more videos for us to watch...it’s a crisis! I’d enjoy a video comparing the M1911A1 to a Browning HiPower, both in original military configurations and then as modded for concealed carry (like a late model Kimber CDP or similar vs. a BHP Mk III with Novak’s or Heinies, improved hammer, and mag disconnect hazard device removed). Kind of a dual comparison, between the guns as issued and maximizing their potential for defensive carry. Perhaps that is a bit much and involved, but I think the topic is interesting. Thanks for video and all work you do.
I love shooting the FAL if you set the gas right and the HK91 is really nice, the M1A is a different from the others however they all have awful rear sights. The FAL has a better rear sight out of them and recoil is around the same with all. It would be a fantastic video to watch.
Leaving the AR 10 out of this is probably a good thing as it would run circles around those others. I can shoot sustained, accurate fire from my AR 10 308, near twice as fast as I can through my M1A. This is due to the AR's lack of muzzle rise and remaining on target while firing.
Revisiting this video 4 years later cause I just inherited both these rifles and am not super familiar with them cause I’m a m-16/AR-15 guy. Thanx for keeping Paul’s videos going. ❤
Everyone knows how the designers name was pronounced but the rifle has always been pronounced "Gar-And" even from the very beginning in the original training films. Since most of those soldiers went through hell and many paid the ultimate price, they have earned the right to pronounce it any way they want. Also according to the Garand Collectors association, Garand's family does indeed pronounce the family name in the Americanized pronunciation like the rifle "Garand" and always has. John himself pronounced his own name with the Canadian pronunciation but he always just called his rifle "The M1 Rifle".
I was introduced to the Garand in 1954. We were taught to load it by locking the bolt back and then while holding the bolt back with the heel of the right hand, to shove the eight round clip into the chamber. It was important to remove the right hand quickly once the clip was in place.
@@joshhaney9769 No, wehrewulf is right, it's a clip fed into a magazine. In the M1's case, the magazine is integrated with the rifle. A magazine is just a device used to store and feed rounds into a repeating firearm and can be internally integrated or detachable.
Hey here's the thing I have a grand Circa 1944. And when I lock the bolt back and I stick a clip in until it clicks the bolt doesn't freaking move. Now you can pull it back and feel like it's clicked but like it actually haven't and then it will move but if you pull it really all the way back until it's completely locked and then stick a clip-in I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to move
It's supposed to plain slam forward once the new clip is locked in, it's just a lot of M1s are old and some of the springs are tired, requiring you to give it some assistance, you're supposed to hold the oprod in place with the palm of your hand until you've put the clip in and got your fingers out of the action, then you let go.
One Doomed Spacemarine well, that was more of a tribute to flannel daddy... oh well. I replace all the springs when I get an M1. I still have to smack the op-rod but I’ve found it’s from the enblocs. The older usgi ones don’t need a tap, but the new parkerized CMP clips do. They cycle well generally. I’ll get an odd one from time to time and I just toss it.
Paul: in the movie, "The Longest Day", an actor (I think it is Robert Ryan) shows how to load an M-1 Garand the way my father was taught so "Garand Thumb" was avoided, it is also a little faster reloading this way. Great video by the way.
I was looking for that method also. Do not load a Garand the way shown here. There is a high risk of the bolt slamming on the thumb and breaking it. Hold the heel of the right hand against the forward curve of the operating rod handle while pressing down on the clip with the thumb of the same hand. The op rod handle will kick the hand out of the way before the bolt can slam it.
The one where the heel of the hand is resting on the charging handle so it provides a stop, right? A lot of modern shooters don't like it because it goes against the current mantra of leaving your firing grip in place. The problem there is that the M1 was designed in the old ways and with bolt action shooting techniques in mind. Modern shooting techniques have more in common with submachinegun tactics than rifle marksmanship.
@@WanlaceYates According the CMP manual that came with my Garand, as long as you are maintaining downward pressure on the enbloc/rounds while loading, the bolt will not come forward. It's only once you release pressure that the bolt can come forward. What ends up happening, is people let up on the pressure without moving their thumb out of the way at the same time, which can result in "Garand thumb". The manual recommends "flicking" your thumb up, forward, and outward as you release pressure on the enbloc to avoid the bolt. So far, it seems to be true, but I still use the hand against the handle method, like you mentioned, just in case.
Paul was the GOAT. I have a 98k with a peep sight a previous owner attached. 100 yds. 5 of 5 in a standard bullseye off hand. It balances wonderfully and holds rock steady. I was made a fan of the old mauser. It takes deer mighty nicely too.
@@blueharley2 Keep in mind that because of the long operating rod, you typically don't shoot 30-06 to its full potential in a Garand because if you do, you will ruin the op rod. This is the reason the velocity comparison with the military ammo gave the M1A the edge. I competed in NRA Highpower Match for several years with a Garand (shows how old I am). For most of that time, I handloaded my match ammunition. There are only a handful of powders with burn rates that are safe for Garands, and when you get over 165 grains for the projectile, you must be especially careful. The "safe for Garand" loads are often 200-250 fps slower than the 30-06 loads I hunt with in my bolt-action hunting rifle.
When you said, "shooting unsupported," you were not kidding - elbow out in the breeze, no assist from the sling, just pure-D "body English." Good work!
What I want Creepy Joe to tell ME is where I can buy those 100 round magazines that he's been spouting off about! Like to buy a couple for my AR's, or my M1- A.
There is an AR14 though, ArmaLite developed one before the black rifle and the republic of surea use a rifle called the ar14. Of course I'm pretty sure surea isn't a real place ,but when did that ever matter.
I swear watching Paul Harrell is like watching what would happen if you took an old episode of Twilight Zone and mixed it with an infomercial for Smith and Wesson. I love it! So much!
Dang good video Paul! My Great Uncle has an M1 Garand and would alway bring it out to where we camped on Memorial Day and fire a 7 shot burst, part of his 21 gun salute. Pretty cool.
Alex Hendel yep I barely heard the pings in the Garand firing segments. Now just imagine if literally anyone else was firing around the same time...or especially if grenades, mortars, etc become involved...that ping isn’t going to be heard.
Ping? What ping? Huh, speak up. LOL, that History channel guy was my 1st thought. I wonder if that IJA soldier stuck his head up after he heard those pings? If so, I'm sure Paul aimed for the right part of the target(making circling motion about the facial area). Hehe.
@@andrewp8284 not even just that but the super sonic crack of bullets flying over your head is loud enough to make your ears ring, battle deafness is a real issue, *if* some could hear that over tinnitus, warfare & explosions, literally nobody is poking their head(s) out of cover if they somehow magically heard that ping to check... even if it is true (which it isn't) I've always wondered what people think that really changes in a firefight, so what, ONE person is out of ammo for a second or two, what about the rest of his platoon/squad/whatever...
@ DBL - German Army doctrine was to base the infantry squad around the machine-gun, in their case the superb MG34 and MG42 GPMGs. U.S. Army doctrine was able to adopt the greater mobility of fire-and-maneuver tactics - to a greater extent because of the firepower of the M-1 Garand rifle. It spread the firepower out to a greater extent. And in the Pacific against bolt-action rifle armed Japanese infantry, it was not uncommon for platoon-sized units to hold out against company-sized or larger formations thanks to their superior firepower and the M-1 Garand, as well as the various SMGs and also the excellent BAR.
Speaking of the Pacific and the troops holding off much larger groups of Japanese prisoners reminded me of an interview of a soldier who fought on Iwo Jima. He remembered being able to sleep better in your foxhole because everyone would sleep with their 1911 in their hand cocked and ready to go so all they had to do was flip off the thumb safety and come out of the foxhole firing. The bolt action welding Japanese were many times overwhelmed by the withering amount of fire four guys and a fox hole could throw down with their pistols. I know this video is about the M1 but I thought that was an interesting comment on the fighting In the Pacific. All of our semi-autos and fully automatics really won the war for us. We were the only country that I know of too put a automatic weapon in the hands of every troop and two weapons for those who had a pistol as well. And by the end of the war most had a pistol.
qualifying expert isn't hard on the current course of fire. Good instruction will get someone in the 33 to 38 range in an afternoon. I sat with one soldier who was struggling to hit 12. After a an hour or so of instruction(something she wasn't getting from her unit) on the sight in range and 30 rounds for practice she shot 36, expert.
Also, (in WWII anyway) seems like more often than not, gun fights would have been in groups. So a group of Germans would have maybe had a chance to hear 2-3 pings from a group of 12-15 Americans.
Sloperator Medic considering ear pro wasn’t widely circulated, your not exactly going to hear the little PING after 8 rounds of 06 flying past you. Not Including whatever rounds you sent back. Everyone’s deaf
@@The_SmorgMan Exactly. It amazes me that people still believe that myth, that a little metallic ping like that would be audible amidst all the rifles, machineguns, and even grenades going off, not to talk about if there's artillery support or armored divisions getting involved. You'd be lucky to walk away from any gunfight with just a little bit of hearing damage, let alone if numerous mortar shells touched down nearby.
Even if it did tell your enemies you were empty, the Browning machine guns didn't and those were the ones you really had to worry about if you poked out of cover for too long.
I'm thinking I prefer the "watch the shooter" style over the "watch the target" style. Nice comparisons, too. Thanks for doing it. Of course next we need to see the AR-15 competing in a similar manner.
I wish I could give the whole story here, but a long time ago I had a good Hmong friend who saw much combat in Vietnam working with/for U.S. forces. He used to tell me some fantastic things, and he was not a braggart or a phoney in any way. Actually a very quiet, and polite person. The short story is that he had access to, and used all the weapons available to him in the 'Nam, and saw much, to say the least, combat. He was not restricted to using any particular, or issued rifle. I asked him once what rifles he used, and he said "all of them", which included the M1 and the M14. I then asked him which rifle was the best, thinking more in terms of AK vs. M16. He thought for a while, then his face lit up in a great big smile, he he said, "the Garand". I'm like "what"? He says: "yes...the Garand...best rifle". Thought that was interesting, just wanted to "share". That does not mean I disagree with the video or the results or the conclusion in any way. Anyhow, great video.
Some people just like it better. I carry a little .32 acp police gun because under stress I can repeatably bullseye a clay pidgeon at 20 meters and its small enough to carry. I shoot other handguns at 100 and 200 meters regularly, but that little Vzor 70 in my hands is magic. I'd love to take it on an m16 qual and see if I can beat my m16 score because I suck with rifles. Army frowns on that though.
11:40 Here it is ladies and gentlemen; one of the incredibly rare times that referring to something that holds cartridges as a 'clip' would in fact be entirely correct.
That's one I did not know of, so I can say Wikipedia agrees! I somewhat recognized the rifle, as it was used in some significant engagements, but I never looked in to its loading system. Clip systems seemed to be popular in the late 18s/early 19s. To the best of my knowledge, the most likely to still be in use today is some version of the Bofors, an open bolt autocannon used in a variety of roles, but notably for air defense on US warships during WWII in a dual-mount 40mm configuration. I am not sure if any are still deployed in their hopper-loader configuration, however at least during WWII, each barrel had a dedicated loader who would drop clips of shells in to the loading hopper.
Spiffy. Thanks for the info. I enjoy the idea of a weapon fed by a magazine of clips. It makes sense, but on its face that's a phrase that can melt a few heads.
If you want to get really technical, it's actually not a clip, it's an enbloc. The stripper clip that Chuck used to reload the mauser would be a true "clip". If I have my facts straight, the difference is an enbloc encases (at least partially) the rounds, and is inserted into the rifle, used as a part of the feed system, and ejected after the last round, where as a clip only holds the rims of the rounds, is not usually inserted into the rifle (there are a few exceptions), and is simply a device used to hold rounds (not a part of the feed system) and load a magazine (usually fixed, but some times also for detachable as well). To put it simply, an enbloc is the magazine (or at least an essential part of it), and a clip is used to load a magazine, but is not necessary for it's function. Then a charger (check out swiss straight pull rifles), is basically a clip that encloses the rounds instead of just holding onto the rims. However, the term "clip", in reference to the enbloc, especially the Garand enbloc, is usually considered to be correct terminology, and only a technical gun nerd like me would say otherwise. I also may not have all my facts completely straight, but that is my understanding of the differences between the two.
I think what he meant is within the prospect of the person being expertly trained in that specific weapon, or in their overall ability as a Marksman. which if you searched around a little the see some examples of people who are terrifyingly good in their overall ability to sling bullets down range.
Great side by side comparisons! I always favored the M-14 over the M-16 in the mid 80's. The M-14 DID replace (6) Weapons Systems in the 50's (1. M1 Garand .30-06/7.62x36; 2. M1903 Springfield .30-06/7.62x36; 3. M1 Carbine .30/7.62x33; 4. M3 SMG - Sub Machine Gun .45 ACP; 5. M1928 Thompson .45 ACP; and 6. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle .30-06/7.62x36), but McNamara and a few others preferred "Suppressive Fire" over "Marksmanship" which paved the way for the smaller, lighter cartridge. The 7.62x51 has always been my favorite go-to round. There are lots of stats from Vietnam on the lethality of each cartridge, and there is no comparison with the 7.62x51 winning. I own a Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM16, and Love the weight, balance, and speed of the rifle over any AR platform, and have outshot them. I still have to train with the AR platform as a Tactical Paramedic, but ALWAYS choose the M1A. No Optics needed!
Suppressive fire wasn't the only reason for the replacement. 5.56 is cheaper and easier to mass produce, the m16 and 5.56 are lighter and more compact so the average soldier can carry more ammo and equipment for long missions and/or patrols, the firefights almost never exceeded more the 50 yd in Vietnam, it's and easier system and caliber to train people who have never used a firearm in their life, "lethality" just like "stopping power" is not a quantifiable term that can be measured, and the wooden frames of the m14s started to rot in the swamps and jungles of Vietnam. These are just a few reasons why the switch was made in Vietnam.
Fire superiority - ie. suppression and maneuver - was already US Army doctrine in WWII. McNamara and plenty of others were only responding to the rise of the intermediate cartridge (e.g. 8mm Kurz and 7.62x39) and the accompanying updates to doctrines of fire and maneuver that the weapons allowed. Full size battle rifles were indeed designed for marksmanship, but at ranges that simply did not happen all too often on the modern battlefields of the 20th century. Either the range was too close and the weapons proved unwieldy and with slow rate of fire, or the distance was appropriate but targets were too difficult to find with the naked eye. Perhaps the pendulum did swing too far in that suppressive fire became seen as the goal rather than the means to allow maneuver to bring effective fire upon the target.
It may have officially replaced those but it didn't in reality all of those were still in service much later. Although the M1 Carbine was mostly replaced with the M2 Carbine by then and the M1928 Thompson had been replaced with the M1A1 Thompson with a very few M1928A1s still around. The M1903 was in service until 1975 as a marksman rifle shockingly.
at 14:39 I said the mags had eight rounds each. They did. I fired seven then nine because I reloaded before the rifle was empty. There was still a round in the chamber. this illustrates one of the advantages of the M-1A
Good to know I thought I had lost count👍🇺🇸
Ohhhhhh, I was wondering why you didn't hit the charging handle on the M1A.
I love my M1A, wouldn't trade it for anything.
Subbed
Thanks
@@motorbikemadness5773 not even a pallet of Toilet paper😂👍🇺🇸
Paul Harrell this is a new comment and yet I feel like I have read this exact comment before. Did you by chance have this same scenario on another rifle?
@@UncleDanBand64 LOL, nope!
_”In the hands of an average shooter like myself"..._
To my knowledge, this is the first time Paul has ever lied to me.
Maybe three times @14:34 he only shot 7 rounds not 8 and completed a tactical reload...he avoided needing to send the bolt forward thus saving a couple seconds.
You be the judge
@@robertpowers1045
My take?... That wasn't lying, it wasn't even cheating... That was just counting and situational awareness.
The rules were _"There will be a magazine change for each of us”..._ he was just smart about it.
I'd shoot the chronograph on accident, just sayin.
I don’t know what to believe anymore...
Dang it, I’m gonna miss this guy…..😢 great teacher and communicator.
He certainly was.
The best!!! Rest In Peace brother 😢
What wait? Explain
@@weeziteerPaul Harrell has passed away from Pancreatic cancer, his brother Roy Harrell has taken over for him.
I hear you . A great loss.
"in the hands of an average shooter"
I didnt see any average shooters in this video...
I looked all over the screen and couldn't find one either!
depends on how you chart, if you chart for speed vs accuracy he's pretty much right in the middle
"To be average scares the hell out of me", Unknown by me. I try to either get better, or do not give a shit. I wrote software for a living, and I tried to be the best I could be. My last two implementations were defect free. Yes, I brag.
Lean in closer, you'll see his reflection right there.
I never noticed it before but the gas venting from the M1A's metered operating system was obvious in the video. I've fired both M1 and M1A and noticed breech and muzzle flash (not so much flash from the M1A due to flash suppressor)--it would be interesting to do a video on the M1A firing in darkness to see if the breech flash is greater than the gas port flash.
Fantastic presentation! In regards to the M14 I heard a joke from the Marine veteran which went like this:
“The ordnance almost replaced all of the weapons in its arsenal with the M14, since on full auto the first round suppresses the infantry, second suppresses enemy logistics and third one shoots down aircrafts”
US Miitary adopts Paul Harrel shooting jacket as uniform:
World Peace ensues.
it would work in a desert, even for people who've never seen Paul's videos
That's because every infantryman can now carry a completely loaded 155mm howitzer, gun grew and full magazine of reloads for it.
It is a cool jacket. I'll make it a point to go through Paul's entire library to see if there's a link to the jacket OEM's website.
@@BeyondDuctTapeFixItRight it"s from the 70's or 80's.
He says so in one if his videos.
Just imagine what he carries in the internal pockets.
Paul you didn't need to invent a whole backstory "gun show" and "corona virus" just to organize an awesome pizza party.
Today is "Pi day" after all.
Paul needs to tell those boys that accuracy is better then volume of fire except when it comes to dating. 😊
paul just loves pizza and wants to share it with you
Yes he does! It's Paul Harrell
Did someone say "pizza?"
I miss this dude already
Me too
😓
Agreed...
We all do.
Dislkes for Paul's videos are actually likes from Australia
But dislikes from Australia are just likes upside down.
We've been working on that. Now we hold our screens of choice upside down.
nice!
Always likes , from down here.
Lmao
Paul is one of the most well thought out, and informative gun reviewers on you tube. Personally I take his opinions as facts.
Yup
He is informed and if you listen to him then you are informed, easy to understand.
Gotta give him credit
Alot of his opinions are based on facts.
On any tube.
Facts, you keep using tha t word, I do no think it mean wut you think it mean.
Paul is confident in standing on the authority of truth.
His knowledge is based in the practical tested measured demonstrated repeatable with independent variables to prove or determine a cause effect relationship or outcome.
Wisdom is knowledge applied
Facts are fickle as Einstein like he said, if they don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Whaaaaaaaa? Shiench
Truth has a particular resonance that all your senses agree with.
If you have ever seen a color so loud it felt like you could taste the smell of it.
Well, You too could become a padawan...
I don't take his opinions as facts personally I don't think Paul would want people to either. Do your own research as well but he definitely deserves credit he dose know what hes talking about
Comparing these rifles against contemporaries was really the best part, I like that perspective.
Absolutely. Extremely important when determining which is the “better” rifle. The garand was unmatched in its day. M1A had much closer competition and I’m my opinion, wasn’t even close to being the best battle rifle of its time.
Paddington's Pizza on Pine Street puts practically all the pepperoni placed on a pizza in particularly perfect places.
Precisely.
Purportedly.
Poopy
@@Khoros-Mythos Pardon?
@@Khoros-Mythos pissy
Paul Harrell at midnight? I’ll take it!
high five bro
Same
I was waiting on some night vision action.
My Lord, get a room.
tom reta, I’m in my room though.
"Thousands"...
"Hundreds?"....
"Dozens?"...
"Okay, those one or two women" lol
topkek
i wasnt expecting that, made me choke a bit on my coffee...ah hell isnt it amazing how random bits of silly things like that can be fuckin hilarious at certain times
Who says Paul doesn't have a sense of humor? 😂
Can someone give me the timestamp for that? ^^
@@Serjo777 start at .40 in
The guys is so humble and honest, If he told me he had a rooster that could pull a loaded freight train, I would start selling tickets.
The Garand: ping
M1A: no ping
I think we all know who the winner is.
If you can hear that ping even within 10m of the shooter during a battle then you ave super human hearing abilities!! you can't even hear it on the bloody video without have to really try hard!!
The ping is actually designed to bait the enemy. You are out, but the guy next to you is not. The Kraut across the way sticks his head up to blast you in the two seconds it takes to reload and gets popped in the dome by your buddy
timothy munk the real answer haha!
@@baalzamon3593 I don't think it was "designed" for that more a clever adaption by us troops. Whatever way you put it a distinctive sound when you need to reload isn't a helpful feature on a war rifle.
@@baalzamon3593 Bull. No way anyone would hear that tiny ping in a firefight between 30-06 and 8mm Mauser.
8:00 Worst looking Princess Leia I have ever seen.....lol
I just use my finger, then I rinse it off.
😂😂😂 got me good
Hilarious :)
Oh that’s just perfect.
Imagine fighting a war with these weapons and not using ear protection.
WHAT!?
WHAT ABOUT EARRING PRODUCTION!?
Shooting 5.56 when next to a wall or building is considerably worse, especially from the 14.5" barrels.
@@skyhop but not worse than one of these next to a wall or building.
In the spirit of Sergeant Daly "DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FOREVER?!"
M-14 in Nam, no ear protection ever, it was just the way it was.... It did get the job done though, never failed, unlike the M-16s...
@ 8:03 "Accuracy is rendered invalid when I shoot off-hand because I add too much of a variable to the equation."
Said from the mouth of the only UA-camr who is more accurate than hickok45.
Would be interesting to see them work together on a feature dvd/ppv
@PUPPET ACTRESS Ya think...LOL! All three would be magnificent.
I don’t know about more, but they’re both so cool!
My Dad said he never saw anyone in Vietnam shoot from the off hand position . It was still being taught but seldom if ever used in combat.
@@caitlinmachon4030 I can believe that... just in normal military training I never took a shot in that position, it's too exposed.
Explain to me why I like Paul’s videos so much. The calm Bob Ross-like demeanor, the methodical analysis, the fun shooting with the mountainous echo, or that he doesn’t roll with a silly looking battle belt on a civi?
Random thought: Normandy beach must've been loud as hell
Yea, and not many beach umbrellas to go around!!!
@@mrdinme.4768 not to mention those bigass bangalore torpedoes going off a few dozen feet away blowing up barb-wire defenses
@@mrdinme.4768 meanwhile the little shit stains whine about which bathroom to use because there isn't one for pink hippo giraffes only men and women.
My grandfather was there. He was permanently deaf in his right ear from a flamer unit tank exploding 50 yrds from him. He had burn scars all down his back. Normandy was a living, breathing hell on Earth from the stories he told me. Seeing your bootcamp buddies body parts flying around, gallons of blood pouring into the ocean, nearly everyone dying before they could even get boots on dry ground. Thank God for those men's iron clad bravery.
Eric Kolb I’m not sure about how the horrors of war make attempted social change null and void. I was taught to appreciate what you have, but to always still strive for better.
Not to say that I even weigh in on either side of the bathroom debate. I havnt kept up with the politics involved in it too much. Just playing devil’s advocate and poking at the logic of your argument.
If Paul is an "average" shooter, I must be a very "low functioning" one.
By his standards id be pure novice.
If he's average, I am literally the worst.
Minimally exceptional.
By comparison I would have trouble figuring out where the bullet comes out
That makes me a marksman in the Special Olympics.
Patton in his day felt the Garand was the ultimate at the time. This actually shows a good reason why, plus the extra weight helps when using the bayonet. I have a soft spot for history.
The Garand most definitely was. The only contemporary rifle that was comparable was the Russian SVT-40 which, in design, was actually far superior and closer in capability to the later M14. Where the SVT-40 fell short was in production tolerances, which led to some reliability issues; accuracy was still comparable with a Garand, though. The Russians also didn't have nearly enough for everyone, and had to stop production in 1942 in order to mass-produce Mosin Nagants to ensure every soldier had SOMETHING.
@@WardenWolf The Gewehr 41 and 43 would be what it went up against, but of course mostly Gewehr/Kar 98s
18:20 No wonder WW2 took so long. They're not even shooting at each other!
:D:D:D:D:D
The M1 Garand was always my grandfather's favorite rifle. It's what he used in the service, so for good reason he had love for that rifle.
My grandfather was an Army Captain (O3) on D-Day. During the beachhead operations his M1 started giving him issues. Well after taking the beach etc… they had some down time so being an engineer by trade he refused to get a new rifle until he figured out what was wrong with his current rifle. As he was function testing, the rifle fired unintentionally. My grandfather was pointing it into a hedgerow and killed a Nazi that was hiding there. Poor guy had lost his rifle and was hiding in the hedge row. My grandfather didn’t know the guy was there and it was an accidental/ malfunction discharge. Needless to say he ended up getting a new rifle.
@@fivelights907😮
He had a guest shooter. That opens to door to other guests coming in. Huge growth potential in inevitable.
Would love to see Paul and Hickok45 shoot. M1A and 1911 :D
I like hickok45 but think he’d forfeit for simplicity instead of doing a skill comparison
Chuck not a guest, he a CREW! Roll on, PH crew!!
Chuck went from Wehrmacht to East German infantryman in the span of about 5 minutes. Who knew the transformation could be so quick.
Nah man. That's modern flecktarn.
@@moritamikamikara3879 That's true, but I haven't seen any modern Germans using old Mauser rifles and AKs
Going back and watching old Paul Harrell videos, damn 😥 We miss you Paul, i hope your family sees these type of messages. I'm extremely happy that your brother will keep your channel alive and well.
Paul, thank you for making good on your word and doing an alternative to the gun show.
Props to Chuck for keeping that bolt gun at his shoulder while cycling the action
still slow af tho
negative props for that ridiculous wehrmaboo getup
Trades that for jumping his head.
@@silvermediastudio Bahahaha... Nice, subtle observation. Com'on, anyone shooting against Paul is going to be SAF. But I totally agree. Mad props to Chuck for getting out there next to Paul, and in his Wermarcht getup, to boot. GAG!
@@bradbowhunts Not someone who... practices in the use of combat arms. Someone who even casually competes in high-power rifle or similar. Honestly Paul's cadence was good but could have been a lot faster without giving up accuracy, it's called the rifleman's cadence. I'm sure Chuck is a decent shot but this wasn't his forte. The way he's holding that AK is somewhat amusing. I'm also surprised Paul doesn't use a hasty sling (or the hasty hasty), both of them would benefit greatly with the stability offered. Afterall it was a technique taught in WWII infantry training, along with seated, kneeling, and prone positions with and without the sling. Lost arts I guess.
"Private Pyle... I think we've finally found something that you can do well."
:Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
Semper Fi 🇺🇸
I need a reacharound.
If only Hartman had known what that really meant.
"THIS is my rifle. THIS is my gun'
"This is for fighting. This is for fun"
Snuffy Grunt: Who-rah
" an average shooter like myself" "I'm what you'd call a professional" sending mixed signals there Mr. Harrel.
to be fair, he would be referring to himself as a professional in the way of gun handling, safety, and knowledge. now shooting/group targeting can be put in a different category than those other three.
He said average “shooter” your a tool bag. And so are the 54 thumbs up. Plenty of law enforcement out there that are average shooters but are proficient in handling a weapon.
Cool vlogs btw.
@@habaneropepper4156 My comment was meant more as a form of reverence toward Mr. Paul. As I personally enjoy his videos and his humor, and personally see him as a professional, due to his down to earth demeanor and real world outlook towards, firearms, ammo, gun ownership etc.
Victor Ivanov wow your nice guy! Your supposed snarky and shitty to others on here don’t you know that? Stay healthy good day sir.
Oh , sure you’re the “average shooter”. That was the funniest line Paul ever delivered!
LeewardStudios nope,” Are you kidding me”, much funnier.
Idk man that Bernie Sanders line hit pretty hard
@@AlexNV75 and bruce yeah, caught that. too many 2A people don't get that Bernie is pretty mild on guns. they also don't know that "are you kidding me" has said that if he wants them, he'll just take them. no due process.
I just want to point out that M1A is, other than a cartridge difference, the rifle that Garand designed in the 30s. The 8 round en bloc clip was an ingenious engineering solution to the War Department's insistence that box magazines (a la BAR) were not to be used.
In war, your weapon doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be better than the enemy's weapon.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian it doesn't even need to be better than the enemies weapon. It just has to shoot. Then you shoot the enemy. VICTORY.
The BM 59 is the rifle that Garand designed in the '30s but in 7.62x51 with a box magazine (in fact, a lot of early BM 59s were converted Garands). The M14/M1A, on the other hand, is not. The gas system and other components were messed about with in ways that ridiculously delayed development, vastly inflated costs, and eliminated commonality of parts. That's why the M14, despite being generally considered a fine rifle in itself, was an obsolescent mistake *as a wide-issue infantry rifle* when it was adopted.
@@jic1 Not disagreeing with you there. I mean in it's layout and high level design it's substantially similar to the Garand, which rifle was originally supposed to have a detachable magazine. The denial of that feature was... unfortunate - but the rifle works fine as is. While I don't have the pleasure of owning an M1, I suspect the en bloc clip is superior to stripper clips.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian well, the man needs to be better, it is the man that is the weapon
Paul, I've been orbiting around firearms for many years of my life, but there has always been a mental barrier barrier for me between being interested and being overwhelmed. But you are an excellent teacher, and your videos are very straightforward and thorough. Thank you very much!
Very nice comment
I didn't even see Chuck until he fired a shot. That's some nice camo.
How can't you love the way he swings out the M1A at the beggining of the accuracy test.
Combat shooter!
I had some experience with both, in the early '70's, in High School Junior Reserve Officers Training Corp, which I spell out so young men today realize how things have changed. After learning how to shoot a .22LR target rifle with micrometer adjustable aperture sights, on an indoor range (12 high schools in town had indoor ranges) at 50 ft, from prone, sitting, kneeling, with sling support, and standing, for two school years, our two teams of 4 got to get on a bus and shoot the National Match Course on a Army training Camp with 200, 300, and 600 yard lines, at 10'x10' target frames which were raised and lowered, (marked with 3"disks so the shooter could see the hit without a spotting scope) in a place called "the pits" the crack of the bullet passing over your head telling you to lower the target and mark it, then raise it. The Lake City ammo was free. So the 600yrd target was 48"D, and the x ring was 6"D, or 1 MOA and some rifles could do that with match ammo. Now ammo is so good, and hunting rifles, and optics, I saw a fella shoot 1/2 MOA with a Rem 700 with hunting bullets, out of the box.
This was a hold over from WWII training. IIRC the course was 10 rounds rapid fire (1 min) prone (from standing up) then 10 rounds standing slow (10 min) then move back to 300 for sitting, ten rounds, then back to 600 for 20 rounds prone slow (20 min) Total possible score of 500 points, 50x. We were shooting at bulls eyes which were sized to be the same size as the front sight blade when sighting and marked with scoring rings, the smallest being the x ring.
At that time I weighed 115 lbs, 5'10" stringbean HS Junior, and the recoil in prone would shift me off target center, if I used the regulation position, so I had to get my body in line behind the gun. After 20 rounds on the 600 yrd line, I had a headache. Senior year my Dad bought a National Match prepared M-I Grand (thats what we called it, because it was indeed "Grand"). I got to shoot that with free ammo as well. most marked NM. Then we got to go to Camp Perry Ohio where they had the National Matches.
This video brought back the smell of 20 rifles shooting 200 rounds of .30 cal in one minute, on the line on a summer day in Indiana, in 1970 something, when I was hot shit. This comment is by way of saying thanks Paul, and thanks Dad, and thanks Major Wilhelm - who was coach, bus driver, and source of free Lake City NM. (Who took responsibility for us kids - or were we young men?)
Not all issue M-1s were accurate. Same with M-14 (what we called it). Most needed glass bedding of the stock and NM barrels and op rods and sights and triggers. You had to take care with the flash suppressor of the 14, was the only difference to me. In the Marines I qualified with a M-16 that had a trigger little better than the Dasiy Red Rider I started with - thanks to Mom and Dad for cocking that for me when I was not yet strong enough, and supplying me with B-B's for years. (still have that one too)
If people spent as much time training as they do talking about (The Best Whatever), they would be shooting as good as Paul, or better may be. Get to know the trigger of one rifle, one that won't make you develop a flinch with recoil, that's my way. Shooting fast is not my way. Hitting the target center, every time, or holding off, is my way.
Steel and wood and aperture sights is my way. Staying out of fights, gun or otherwise is my way. True, I may not survive some situations where you would with no problems, cest la vie.
Gotta know your own limitations. Gotta keep training to know. Good Luck America.
@GOMER PYLE: You don't belong here. Stay if you wish, but don't expect anyone to notice your childish, condescending attempts to draw attention.
Thanks for sharing. I wish I had had the opportunity to shoot in a match like that in HS.
@GOMER PYLE You read Mr Potato's post and so did I.
I enjoyed his memory.
@GOMER PYLE I did! While my memories are vastly different it was still a reminder of times when kids like me would walk through the neighborhood with a BB gun or later a .22 on their way to the nearby abandoned cornfield to have an enjoyable time plinking at whatever until sunset and nobody thought twice about it. Rifles & shotguns were a common sight in the back window of pickups at the high school and we didn't shoot up the school. I'll give you credit for not saying "OK Boomer" though
It sounds like high school was awesome back in the day. It sucked so bad for my millennial generation that my mom pulled me out of it to go to Jr. college instead. I did not feel like a worthless degenerate there, TFG. Definitely not enough professionals running the school systems these days. Oh well...
Average shooter here... just purchased a M1 Garand and looking for a good M1A deal. Once again, thank you so much for your expertise and your ability to educate us with common language and tangible examples. Great job, Paul!
I am also an M1 Garand owner, although if Paul is an average shooter, I wouldn't be so bold as to try to claim that label for myself as well. 20 years ago, I was looking for a good M1A deal and wound up buying an FN FAL clone (Entreprise Arms-made StG-58 clone to be specific) instead. I wouldn't mind finding an M1A deal, but the FAL has successfully scratched my "semi-auto .308" itch since I got it.
"... and dressing in German camo does help him shoot a little better."
I was so happy Paul commented on this...it's been a HOT debate for decades now that wearing the proper attire CAN and WILL make you better!
*looks at his brown pants with a smile*
I like that look Chuck gave the camera when Paul said that.
+1 Accuracy
Props to Chuck for making his UA-cam debut by shooting against Paul Harrell. I'd love to shoot with Paul, but not in front of a camera that's destined for the World Wide Web.
...some body has got to play a role in Paul’s high light videos👍🏾
... in german camo.
As far as I'm the judge, this is the best gun channel on UA-cam!
Greetings to Paul and the crew from Austria
Also do not forget that the M1A/M14 can also be loaded at the top with a stripper clip. I own an M1A and stripper clips for .308 rounds, and that combination makes it a joy to shoot and reload.
Not bad for a rifle that is suppose to be state of the art at the time of introduction (1950s), but still sticking to its tradition as a rifleman's rifle.
Anytime, day or night, Mr. Harrell releases a presentation and the rest of my life gets put on hold. No ifs, ands or buts!
"no ifs, ands, or *yeahbuts"
In 1979 I earned the Navy Expert Rifleman medal with an M14. I had done a lot of shooting in my life but it was the first time I had ever fired an M14 before. Awesome weapon!
I fired one at NAS Whidbey Island a few weeks after September 11th 2001. What was really fun was the little lever on the back of the rifle, that went from semi-auto to full auto to get rid of the rest of the ammo after qualifications (that's the only full auto M-14 I've ever seen)!
Watching the classic and formidable American weapon of war in action is an amazing sight.
Oh, and the rifles were nice, too.
Haha, true.
I really enjoyed the cross comparison at the end, though. It was an unexpected twist.
I love them both!
LGS has a "Tanker" Garand in .308; I'd love to add it to my collection.
I carried a scoped M14 (not M21) in Military Service, and it served me well.
I used to own a nice WW2 M1 Garand, had to sell it (along with all but 2 guns) when I became Disabled.
When I was eighteen I joined the Marines and was issued an M14, it was love at first sight, I have one to this day.
😉
I got my dad a brand new Springfield Armory M14 (I don’t care what the civilian designation is, it’s an M14) 14 years ago. It came with a US Army M14 manual. He tossed it aside and said: “the army would need a manual to figure out how to wipe their butt” and proceeded to field strip the gun from memory 40 years after having served in the USMC.
@@classicgunstoday1972 Semper Fi
Darth Fader he says Semper Fi to you too!
@@classicgunstoday1972 to be fair, the army was still issuing M14s up until the m110 (AR10) was in wide issue. My friend had an M14 in each Stryker for use as a DMR.
One thing to have been trained on the old girl. A whole nother one to have to learn her from scratch!
With everyone staying home, you’ll need to produce many more videos for us to watch...it’s a crisis!
I’d enjoy a video comparing the M1911A1 to a Browning HiPower, both in original military configurations and then as modded for concealed carry (like a late model Kimber CDP or similar vs. a BHP Mk III with Novak’s or Heinies, improved hammer, and mag disconnect hazard device removed). Kind of a dual comparison, between the guns as issued and maximizing their potential for defensive carry. Perhaps that is a bit much and involved, but I think the topic is interesting.
Thanks for video and all work you do.
BTCAsia I Too Would Like Those Pistols Compared 2 Browning Masterpieces 💨🔫😎
No Name ...it was a joke...
Comparing the M1911 and the Luger sound good as well.
I would greatly enjoy seeing this one.
BTCAsia Great topic suggestion.
just a suggestion: wouldn't mind seeing a comparison between M1A vs FAL vs H&K G3.
I love shooting the FAL if you set the gas right and the HK91 is really nice, the M1A is a different from the others however they all have awful rear sights. The FAL has a better rear sight out of them and recoil is around the same with all. It would be a fantastic video to watch.
versus the SKS 45 😁
Or a Plasma rifle in the 40-watt range
Leaving the AR 10 out of this is probably a good thing as it would run circles around those others. I can shoot sustained, accurate fire from my AR 10 308, near twice as fast as I can through my M1A. This is due to the AR's lack of muzzle rise and remaining on target while firing.
Jon James and I could do the exact opposite with my M1A, all in the hands of the shooter
Revisiting this video 4 years later cause I just inherited both these rifles and am not super familiar with them cause I’m a m-16/AR-15 guy. Thanx for keeping Paul’s videos going. ❤
“Caveat” - Paul Harrell bingo checklist word
"Shatneresque"
John and his family pronounced the name to rhyme with “errand”.
Three generations of Drill Sergeants rhymed it with “bar hand”.
I watched this video just to see if he pronounced it right.
Everyone knows how the designers name was pronounced but the rifle has always been pronounced "Gar-And" even from the very beginning in the original training films. Since most of those soldiers went through hell and many paid the ultimate price, they have earned the right to pronounce it any way they want.
Also according to the Garand Collectors association, Garand's family does indeed pronounce the family name in the Americanized pronunciation like the rifle "Garand" and always has. John himself pronounced his own name with the Canadian pronunciation but he always just called his rifle "The M1 Rifle".
"Garand."
"You mean, Garand?"
"No, it's Garand."
Imagine not speaking a phonetic language...
Which is why I just call that rifle the M1.
Paul Harrell got Coronavirus. Now the Coronavirus is in isolation.
I for one would like to welcome our new Paul Harrell in place of Chuck Norris joke overlords.
@@RoKKr023i I wish I could think of a clever way to rephrase an old line, so I'll just admit go getting a chuckle out of these two instead.
You beat me to the joke. I would have done - paul got the corona virus, and after 14 days of incubation, the virus died.
Once Paul Harrell got Garand thumb...the rifle was in intense pain for the next few hours...and learned its lesson to never do it again.
@@notrightmeow3357 That's known as the Harrel bolt.
I was introduced to the Garand in 1954. We were taught to load it by locking the bolt back and then while holding the bolt back with the heel of the right hand, to shove the eight round clip into the chamber. It was important to remove the right hand quickly once the clip was in place.
1. Why would you lock the bolt to rear, then need to hold it?
2. The en block clip goes into the magazine, not the chamber.
You failed your training.
@@wehrewulf Yeah. When did you graduate basic training, smartass?
@@wehrewulfnever heard of a magazine that wasnt detachable. Its just a clip not a magazine
@@joshhaney9769 No, wehrewulf is right, it's a clip fed into a magazine. In the M1's case, the magazine is integrated with the rifle. A magazine is just a device used to store and feed rounds into a repeating firearm and can be internally integrated or detachable.
@@wehrewulf when loading an M1, the process of seating the clip will release the bolt
My buddies M1A 22" in stainless is my daughters favorite rifle...she can tap steel seated a 500 yards almost every time.
With glass
@@buttnakednope, with iron
@@2ndMatters must be a full sized silhouette
Omg I literally searched for this video two weeks ago and couldn’t find a decent one. Thanks Paul! Great video as always!
I've been wanting an M1A for a long time. I have learned more about firearms and ammunition from you than any other source. Keep up the good work.
Nice. I hope you get your hands on one. :)
Thanks for the side-by-side comparison for the two rifles.
Also nice in putting them in context to the era they primarily served in.
Sorry MAC, Paul Uploaded.
So you mean the bolt slams forward and you find yourself wearing flannel.
Hey here's the thing I have a grand Circa 1944. And when I lock the bolt back and I stick a clip in until it clicks the bolt doesn't freaking move. Now you can pull it back and feel like it's clicked but like it actually haven't and then it will move but if you pull it really all the way back until it's completely locked and then stick a clip-in I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to move
Was waiting to see the flannel daddy comments...
Leland Carter if you’ve ever watched me smack the op-rod of a Garand and found yourself imagining things, go ahead and hit that subscribe button
It's supposed to plain slam forward once the new clip is locked in, it's just a lot of M1s are old and some of the springs are tired, requiring you to give it some assistance, you're supposed to hold the oprod in place with the palm of your hand until you've put the clip in and got your fingers out of the action, then you let go.
One Doomed Spacemarine well, that was more of a tribute to flannel daddy... oh well.
I replace all the springs when I get an M1. I still have to smack the op-rod but I’ve found it’s from the enblocs. The older usgi ones don’t need a tap, but the new parkerized CMP clips do. They cycle well generally. I’ll get an odd one from time to time and I just toss it.
Paul: in the movie, "The Longest Day", an actor (I think it is Robert Ryan) shows how to load an M-1 Garand the way my father was taught so "Garand Thumb" was avoided, it is also a little faster reloading this way. Great video by the way.
The Longest Day best long movie! Better than Dances With Wolves! Fite ME!
I was looking for that method also. Do not load a Garand the way shown here. There is a high risk of the bolt slamming on the thumb and breaking it. Hold the heel of the right hand against the forward curve of the operating rod handle while pressing down on the clip with the thumb of the same hand. The op rod handle will kick the hand out of the way before the bolt can slam it.
The one where the heel of the hand is resting on the charging handle so it provides a stop, right? A lot of modern shooters don't like it because it goes against the current mantra of leaving your firing grip in place. The problem there is that the M1 was designed in the old ways and with bolt action shooting techniques in mind. Modern shooting techniques have more in common with submachinegun tactics than rifle marksmanship.
@@WanlaceYates According the CMP manual that came with my Garand, as long as you are maintaining downward pressure on the enbloc/rounds while loading, the bolt will not come forward. It's only once you release pressure that the bolt can come forward. What ends up happening, is people let up on the pressure without moving their thumb out of the way at the same time, which can result in "Garand thumb". The manual recommends "flicking" your thumb up, forward, and outward as you release pressure on the enbloc to avoid the bolt. So far, it seems to be true, but I still use the hand against the handle method, like you mentioned, just in case.
We always called it "M-1 Thumb"
Paul was the GOAT. I have a 98k with a peep sight a previous owner attached. 100 yds. 5 of 5 in a standard bullseye off hand. It balances wonderfully and holds rock steady. I was made a fan of the old mauser. It takes deer mighty nicely too.
I watched this video about 5 times,and this one is the Best..My family, Sullivans of New York pray for you..Semper Fi Marine.
The M1A “fits” my body type better. But I shoot the M1 Garand slightly better possibly because of the heavier weight. Love them both....a lot.
They're both good rifles. It's too bad the M-14 had the shortest service life.
My Garand has comfortable recoil, which has always surprised me for being a 30.06. In the video, notice how hard the 8mm K98 recoils
@@blueharley2 Keep in mind that because of the long operating rod, you typically don't shoot 30-06 to its full potential in a Garand because if you do, you will ruin the op rod. This is the reason the velocity comparison with the military ammo gave the M1A the edge.
I competed in NRA Highpower Match for several years with a Garand (shows how old I am). For most of that time, I handloaded my match ammunition. There are only a handful of powders with burn rates that are safe for Garands, and when you get over 165 grains for the projectile, you must be especially careful. The "safe for Garand" loads are often 200-250 fps slower than the 30-06 loads I hunt with in my bolt-action hunting rifle.
I want to retrofit my AR with something that will make it make that sound. I guess this is what Joe meant when he referred to an AR-14.
When you said, "shooting unsupported," you were not kidding - elbow out in the breeze, no assist from the sling, just pure-D "body English." Good work!
I think we need a in depth examination of this mysterious AR-14 that our Uncle Joe has been so worried about.
What I want Creepy Joe to tell ME is where I can buy those 100 round magazines that he's been spouting off about! Like to buy a couple for my AR's, or my M1- A.
There is an AR14 though, ArmaLite developed one before the black rifle and the republic of surea use a rifle called the ar14.
Of course I'm pretty sure surea isn't a real place ,but when did that ever matter.
It was a sporting rifle made by ArmaLite.
That's on the AR14 channel. Paul liked to keep politics off his channel as much as possible. Try it sometime.
19:33 chuck looked like his dad just told hime hes proud of him for the first time. RIP Paul
Those single guys have like, a truck full of toilet paper I hear (sounds of high heals walking fast or jogging their way now).
Toilet paper has got to be the most useless thing to hoard I've seen. If you're going to hoard, hoard food and water.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Hahaha!
@@coreys2686 I'll do like the Roman Legion did , and wipe my behind with a sponge on a stick soaked in vinegar . Toilet paper is for sissies .
Just buy it from amazon or some other website.
@@coreys2686 On the way home from work yesterday I passed a pickup with the bed fully loaded. It was loaded with Coke, Budweiser and toilet paper.
Two rifles I'd like to own some day.
*Cries in australian*
Keep working at it! You'll get there!
@@MrJerry160 cheers man
last year i got 2 cmp garands. get it on it
Man join the club. A want of peolle whk want these 2 rifles but just cannot afford em. Especially ammo haha.
I swear watching Paul Harrell is like watching what would happen if you took an old episode of Twilight Zone and mixed it with an infomercial for Smith and Wesson. I love it! So much!
I have learned so much from Paul over the years! Love his videos sending prayers brother
Dang good video Paul!
My Great Uncle has an M1 Garand and would alway bring it out to where we camped on Memorial Day and fire a 7 shot burst, part of his 21 gun salute.
Pretty cool.
14:09 Paul just unintentionally *disproved* the "if they heard that ping from the Garand's clip ejecting" myth!..
LMAO
Alex Hendel yep I barely heard the pings in the Garand firing segments. Now just imagine if literally anyone else was firing around the same time...or especially if grenades, mortars, etc become involved...that ping isn’t going to be heard.
Ping? What ping? Huh, speak up. LOL, that History channel guy was my 1st thought. I wonder if that IJA soldier stuck his head up after he heard those pings? If so, I'm sure Paul aimed for the right part of the target(making circling motion about the facial area). Hehe.
i understood that reference
@@andrewp8284 not even just that but the super sonic crack of bullets flying over your head is loud enough to make your ears ring, battle deafness is a real issue, *if* some could hear that over tinnitus, warfare & explosions, literally nobody is poking their head(s) out of cover if they somehow magically heard that ping to check...
even if it is true (which it isn't) I've always wondered what people think that really changes in a firefight, so what, ONE person is out of ammo for a second or two, what about the rest of his platoon/squad/whatever...
@@jeanniebuchholz9923 circling motion isn't really optimal though, gotta aim for that T box! ;)
Damn, Paul really demonetized his own video by saying Coronavirus, but was unwilling to start a flame war by saying Garand
he's a man among men
I couldn’t imagine being in the German’s boots having a 30.06 flying by dozens or more at a time.
Imagine having 7.92x57 Mauser flying by you or worse the 8mm moving faster with a 30rnd magazine.
@@TylerJordan601 30 06 is a faster round.
@ DBL - German Army doctrine was to base the infantry squad around the machine-gun, in their case the superb MG34 and MG42 GPMGs. U.S. Army doctrine was able to adopt the greater mobility of fire-and-maneuver tactics - to a greater extent because of the firepower of the M-1 Garand rifle. It spread the firepower out to a greater extent. And in the Pacific against bolt-action rifle armed Japanese infantry, it was not uncommon for platoon-sized units to hold out against company-sized or larger formations thanks to their superior firepower and the M-1 Garand, as well as the various SMGs and also the excellent BAR.
Speaking of the Pacific and the troops holding off much larger groups of Japanese prisoners reminded me of an interview of a soldier who fought on Iwo Jima. He remembered being able to sleep better in your foxhole because everyone would sleep with their 1911 in their hand cocked and ready to go so all they had to do was flip off the thumb safety and come out of the foxhole firing. The bolt action welding Japanese were many times overwhelmed by the withering amount of fire four guys and a fox hole could throw down with their pistols. I know this video is about the M1 but I thought that was an interesting comment on the fighting In the Pacific. All of our semi-autos and fully automatics really won the war for us. We were the only country that I know of too put a automatic weapon in the hands of every troop and two weapons for those who had a pistol as well. And by the end of the war most had a pistol.
Paul Harrell notification gang
11:56 it's actually pronounced, "flannel daddy"
I caught the reference. Lol!
Andrew Kuper I’m glad someone said it
Explain the joke
@@RiseOfAnarchism ua-cam.com/users/BritishTang
@@RiseOfAnarchism 'Flannel Daddy' is Garand Thumb, another UA-camr.
22:11 - That feeling when your ears pop.
23:47 - and you check to make sure you're not deaf.
noticed that myself, and thought the mic had blown
Paul's chronograph has nerves of steel.
Paul Harrell: "In the hands of an average shooter"
Also Paul Harrell: "I qualified expert"
qualifying expert isn't hard on the current course of fire. Good instruction will get someone in the 33 to 38 range in an afternoon.
I sat with one soldier who was struggling to hit 12. After a an hour or so of instruction(something she wasn't getting from her unit) on the sight in range and 30 rounds for practice she shot 36, expert.
Chuck's phlegmatic presence is underutilised and always appreciated.
Paul inadvertently proved that the whole “ping of the garand tells your enemies your empty” is a myth.
Also, (in WWII anyway) seems like more often than not, gun fights would have been in groups. So a group of Germans would have maybe had a chance to hear 2-3 pings from a group of 12-15 Americans.
Sloperator Medic considering ear pro wasn’t widely circulated, your not exactly going to hear the little PING after 8 rounds of 06 flying past you. Not Including whatever rounds you sent back.
Everyone’s deaf
Like Bloke on the range's video a while back.
@@The_SmorgMan Exactly. It amazes me that people still believe that myth, that a little metallic ping like that would be audible amidst all the rifles, machineguns, and even grenades going off, not to talk about if there's artillery support or armored divisions getting involved.
You'd be lucky to walk away from any gunfight with just a little bit of hearing damage, let alone if numerous mortar shells touched down nearby.
Even if it did tell your enemies you were empty, the Browning machine guns didn't and those were the ones you really had to worry about if you poked out of cover for too long.
Paul looks so good in this video. At my age, I never thought I'd outlive him. 💔
Chuck in German camos is the best thing of the internet this weekend. Rocks.
I was literally just binge watching Paul Harrell videos when I got this notification
You ain't got a thing if you ain't got that ping, doo wop doo wop.
I love both the M14 (and variants) AND the M1 :) they are classic designs, and iconic of their times. great video! keep up the good work!
"Now, before we start stroking our AK's...!"
(Too late!) 😙
I'm thinking I prefer the "watch the shooter" style over the "watch the target" style. Nice comparisons, too. Thanks for doing it. Of course next we need to see the AR-15 competing in a similar manner.
it's like the difference between watching the drummer or the drum kit
I prefer the target.
I would like Paul to upgrade to the best of both worlds. Show him shooting, and have an inset window showing the rounds hitting the target.
For me I think it's more situational than one over the other.
curtis mcallister
More like watching a drummer and listening to a drummer.
Pizza: good; single women: good; Corona: not so good. Just sayin’, from quarantine in Italy.
Quarantine is never good.
Dos Equis goes better with pizza anyhow.
Get well soon!
Corona wasn't good even before the swine flu. Guinness is a gentleman's drink.
@@12ealDealOfficial Try Murphy's.
My first rifle was an M1A, I’m glad to finally see someone not shitting on it.
there's something wonderful about the sound of these rifles.
Not if you are on the receiving end!
@@Chazman1946 , I don't know of ANY firearm that sounds good when you are on the receiving end!
I wish I could give the whole story here, but a long time ago I had a good Hmong friend who saw much combat in Vietnam working with/for U.S. forces. He used to tell me some fantastic things, and he was not a braggart or a phoney in any way. Actually a very quiet, and polite person. The short story is that he had access to, and used all the weapons available to him in the 'Nam, and saw much, to say the least, combat. He was not restricted to using any particular, or issued rifle. I asked him once what rifles he used, and he said "all of them", which included the M1 and the M14. I then asked him which rifle was the best, thinking more in terms of AK vs. M16. He thought for a while, then his face lit up in a great big smile, he he said, "the Garand". I'm like "what"? He says: "yes...the Garand...best rifle". Thought that was interesting, just wanted to "share". That does not mean I disagree with the video or the results or the conclusion in any way. Anyhow, great video.
Some people just like it better. I carry a little .32 acp police gun because under stress I can repeatably bullseye a clay pidgeon at 20 meters and its small enough to carry. I shoot other handguns at 100 and 200 meters regularly, but that little Vzor 70 in my hands is magic. I'd love to take it on an m16 qual and see if I can beat my m16 score because I suck with rifles. Army frowns on that though.
It'd be great to know why.
@@OspreyKnight the best gun is 1: the one you have 2: and the one you shoot best.
@@Observer31 yes
Fantastic comparison of two great battle rifles. Thank you Paul... always a great video.
Excellent video! I have both the M1A (Springfield Armory) and a M1 Garand. You, Paul, are a vastly better shooter than I've ever been or ever will be.
11:40 Here it is ladies and gentlemen; one of the incredibly rare times that referring to something that holds cartridges as a 'clip' would in fact be entirely correct.
That's one I did not know of, so I can say Wikipedia agrees! I somewhat recognized the rifle, as it was used in some significant engagements, but I never looked in to its loading system.
Clip systems seemed to be popular in the late 18s/early 19s.
To the best of my knowledge, the most likely to still be in use today is some version of the Bofors, an open bolt autocannon used in a variety of roles, but notably for air defense on US warships during WWII in a dual-mount 40mm configuration. I am not sure if any are still deployed in their hopper-loader configuration, however at least during WWII, each barrel had a dedicated loader who would drop clips of shells in to the loading hopper.
Spiffy. Thanks for the info.
I enjoy the idea of a weapon fed by a magazine of clips. It makes sense, but on its face that's a phrase that can melt a few heads.
If you want to get really technical, it's actually not a clip, it's an enbloc. The stripper clip that Chuck used to reload the mauser would be a true "clip". If I have my facts straight, the difference is an enbloc encases (at least partially) the rounds, and is inserted into the rifle, used as a part of the feed system, and ejected after the last round, where as a clip only holds the rims of the rounds, is not usually inserted into the rifle (there are a few exceptions), and is simply a device used to hold rounds (not a part of the feed system) and load a magazine (usually fixed, but some times also for detachable as well). To put it simply, an enbloc is the magazine (or at least an essential part of it), and a clip is used to load a magazine, but is not necessary for it's function. Then a charger (check out swiss straight pull rifles), is basically a clip that encloses the rounds instead of just holding onto the rims. However, the term "clip", in reference to the enbloc, especially the Garand enbloc, is usually considered to be correct terminology, and only a technical gun nerd like me would say otherwise. I also may not have all my facts completely straight, but that is my understanding of the differences between the two.
@@carsonburkholder1548 You sir...are 100% correct.
Let's just not point it out so no one is confused.
My favorite part of the video was when Paul called himself an "average shooter" lol.
Right?
I think what he meant is within the prospect of the person being expertly trained in that specific weapon, or in their overall ability as a Marksman. which if you searched around a little the see some examples of people who are terrifyingly good in their overall ability to sling bullets down range.
This was a fun one! Loved the side-by-side comparison with your friend shooting as well.
Great side by side comparisons! I always favored the M-14 over the M-16 in the mid 80's. The M-14 DID replace (6) Weapons Systems in the 50's (1. M1 Garand .30-06/7.62x36; 2. M1903 Springfield .30-06/7.62x36; 3. M1 Carbine .30/7.62x33; 4. M3 SMG - Sub Machine Gun .45 ACP; 5. M1928 Thompson .45 ACP; and 6. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle .30-06/7.62x36), but McNamara and a few others preferred "Suppressive Fire" over "Marksmanship" which paved the way for the smaller, lighter cartridge. The 7.62x51 has always been my favorite go-to round. There are lots of stats from Vietnam on the lethality of each cartridge, and there is no comparison with the 7.62x51 winning. I own a Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM16, and Love the weight, balance, and speed of the rifle over any AR platform, and have outshot them. I still have to train with the AR platform as a Tactical Paramedic, but ALWAYS choose the M1A. No Optics needed!
Suppressive fire wasn't the only reason for the replacement.
5.56 is cheaper and easier to mass produce,
the m16 and 5.56 are lighter and more compact so the average soldier can carry more ammo and equipment for long missions and/or patrols,
the firefights almost never exceeded more the 50 yd in Vietnam,
it's and easier system and caliber to train people who have never used a firearm in their life,
"lethality" just like "stopping power" is not a quantifiable term that can be measured,
and the wooden frames of the m14s started to rot in the swamps and jungles of Vietnam.
These are just a few reasons why the switch was made in Vietnam.
Fire superiority - ie. suppression and maneuver - was already US Army doctrine in WWII. McNamara and plenty of others were only responding to the rise of the intermediate cartridge (e.g. 8mm Kurz and 7.62x39) and the accompanying updates to doctrines of fire and maneuver that the weapons allowed. Full size battle rifles were indeed designed for marksmanship, but at ranges that simply did not happen all too often on the modern battlefields of the 20th century. Either the range was too close and the weapons proved unwieldy and with slow rate of fire, or the distance was appropriate but targets were too difficult to find with the naked eye. Perhaps the pendulum did swing too far in that suppressive fire became seen as the goal rather than the means to allow maneuver to bring effective fire upon the target.
It may have officially replaced those but it didn't in reality all of those were still in service much later. Although the M1 Carbine was mostly replaced with the M2 Carbine by then and the M1928 Thompson had been replaced with the M1A1 Thompson with a very few M1928A1s still around. The M1903 was in service until 1975 as a marksman rifle shockingly.