I always thought that the business of philosophy was to affirm all of life as desirable. It is based on this capacity that we rank our philosophers, we rank them according to their degree of competence; this may upset people who disagree, the nihilist for example does not think of life as worth living and thus they struggle to come to terms with any philosophy or doctrine that challenges their right to believe 'life is meaningless'.
you dont need philosophy for that thats literally just life. upsetting is the only thing that any belief does anyways. you believe something and life contradicts it. people in the east understood this well so they thought they could find a way to not believe in anything.
@@welfrion7878 is life worth living? reason cannot provide a legitimate answer to this question thus we have philosophy. reason cannot determine what an advantage is: it is both true that I love mum and I hate her; what should I believe? another example: it is painful to care, it is painful not to care, in which truth do you find the most appeal because not caring does not work. In what should you believe? pretty sure to answer these questions you need philosophy or discernment. The philosophy will either affirm life or condemn it. if a philosophy fails to affirm life as desirable this reveals nothing about the 'nature' of existence, it makes apparent only the constitution of the thinker; thus we rank our philosophers and esteem them based on their capacity to redeem life as desirable.
@@welfrion7878 "upsetting is the only thing that any belief does anyway" you are incorrect.. consider the following: 'suffering is provincial to the man who believes that on the 1001st year there will be heaven on earth' (Albert Camus). In summa: beliefs help you endure.. Although, I am unsure if this applies to all beliefs. For example I fail to comprehend how the belief that 'life is meaningless' helps us endure anything besides the suppression of an impulse to act. Afterall, if life is meaningless then the passions become nothing other than a source of heartbreak, frustration and shame. These people act as though existence were a mistake. much like in the Chinese proverb whereby the fox decides the fruit in the tree is sour because it was outside of his reach the nihilist decides that the passions are meaningless and that life is not worth living merely because he cannot attain satisfaction. because the nihilist cannot enjoy life they no longer want to celebrate it. But is it true that life is not worth living? philosophy thereby does not necessarily dabble in the realm of providing absolute truths, philosophy recognises that truths are designed to be functional and are very seldom legitimate. if life is worth living then the truths that help us endure are significant.
@@isaacbarratt854 I certainly agree with you its just that the quote above made no sense to me. philosophy serves the same purpose as any religion or political idealogy. as you said belief does help us endure but it does so by providing a false sense of security but at the end all beliefs are defective because they always clash with the reality which is what causes suffering. of course some beliefs are essential, the ones that are wired inside of you, but the rest that is learned through text can only weaken you.
Haven’t listened yet but I want to say you are a brilliant interpreter of Nietzsche, so many people to listen to on this app, you are as level-headed and insightful as they come
Seconded. I know nobody in my offline life who comprehends Nietzsche's ideas, and so this channel, for me, is somewhat of a brother with whom I can juggle and reshape my understanding of these ideas.
You really do a thorough job articulating your interpretations of Nietzsche's meaning, which so many fail to do. And you also do it with some humor and personality, to keep the content from getting dry or boring; another fine podcast, man!👍
This is incredibly clear and inspiring as well. On a day when I am struggling like today, I need to hear that suffering and strife are good. I also need to accept that wasted potential is a part of life and it is good too. Amor fati. My favorite Nietzche quote “ I am railing by the torrent! Grasp me if you can. Your crutch however, I am not”- Thus spoke Zarathustra.
As I listen to these wonderful podcasts knowing I’m not smart enough to take in but a small portion of Nietzsche’s epic brilliance, these more simple thoughts come to one’s mind: -how one barely makes it through a day anymore without hearing the word Nietzsche, the nearly unpronounceable name of a 19th century philosopher who wrote in German. Just remarkable. -how “thinking,”something most people do inside their heads, was for him a tool to project outward to the cosmos, and into the darkest regions of the human soul. -and how this towering brilliance dwelt in such a small, sickly, lonely being. My heart soars with Nietzsche’s words, and then breaks with the knowledge that he lived every day in pain, utter loneliness, and finally, madness. One weeps.
''Why sacrifice? I squander what is given to me, I - a squanderer with a thousand hands; how could I call that sacrificing? And when I desired honey, I merely desired bait and sweet mucus and mucilage, which make even growling bears and queer, sullen, evil birds put out their tongues - the best bait, needed by hunters and fishermen. For if the world is like a dark jungle and a garden of delight for all wild hunters, it strikes me even more, and so I prefer to think of it, as an abysmal, rich sea - a sea full of colorful fish and crabs, which even gods might covet, that for their sakes they would wish to become fishermen and net-throwers: so rich is the world in queer things, great and small. Especially the human world, the human sea: that is where I now cast my golden fishing rod and say: Open up, you human abyss! Open up and cast up to me your fish and glittering crabs! With my best bait I shall today bait the queerest human fish. My happiness itself I cast out far and wide, between sunrise, noon, and sunset, to see if many human fish might not learn to wriggle and wiggle from my happiness until, biting at my sharp hidden hooks, they must come up to my height - the most colorful abysmal groundlings, to the most sarcastic of all who fish for men. For that is what I am through and through: reeling, reeling in, raising up, raising, a raiser, cultivator, and disciplinarian, who once counseled himself, not for nothing: Become who you are!'' Thus Spoke Zarathustra IV The Honey Sacrifice.
What a great ending to the season! Many thanks for all your hard work. You have truly enriched my life these past couple months, and have inspired in me a great philosophy; a love of wisdom. One thing that did stand out to me as curious was the statement given 50:32 "Having a combatant, or an enemy is actually of great benefit. It is the test of their ideas, their contrast, their contest which creates a productive relationship. This is where everything good and worthwhile comes from." - Could you help clarify how this differs so with the Hegelian dialectic? It is a similar (seeming) contradiction I find in the writings of Gilles Deleuze, who also sets himself at odds with the Hegelian dialectic (though he does explain how his being at odds is not dialectic) but this is yet something I fail to grasp. Is it simply the dialectic as a means to an end which Nietzsche disagrees with?
Isaacbarrett your note that begins with thirty - three has nine comments, when you hit on the newest heading at the top of notes there will show twenty notes. Quite often when you think your notes deleted, you can find them when you hit newest.
We live to explore and experience our themes, this is a fulfilment of a Soul-agreement - not a personality. So Nietzsche found the 'version of the world' that represented his own giving and receiving (acceptance) of meaning. Not an intellectually polished construct but an uncovered discernment of author-ity - where the gift is recognised unalloyed. A true discernment uncovered a wholeness that cannot be spoken (but that a replica runs as broken). The mind can and does mimic the spirit - but only as a mythological narrative construct - yet from which we can recognise errors, omissions and contradictions otherwise hidden as our 'world'. Listening in I sense that the few who have a version of Nietzsche by which to guide them include our world shaping 'elites' - not the puppets fronted out but the will to break the world order and the human mind (they are the same at root) so as to make space and reset time to create. Yet the will to power as I see it is not creative in truth but in a Promethean rebellion (chained and tormented thereby). The Spiritual perspective so readily distorted as out of this world or apple pie when you die - is founded in the new world that only a mind renewed can see and give witness to by example - for it cannot be taught or learned. yet is nigh - the moment at hand - for eyes that can see. The attempt to wake others is the unhealed healer of seeking to work out our own conflicts 'externally'. Conflicting messages do not facilitate sound learning - yet it also stands that a student may 'see' and appreciate the reflections for their own insight regardless the flaws of the teacher. I will add that your narration is very well delivered and to the point which I appreciate as the witness to an integration of insight and enquiry that cares to share in what you value. This to me underlies 'culture' not the structures that become a template.
Courage-Bravery: What I can say is that bravery for bravery's sake become stupidity, risk taking becomes increasing risk taking or it is no longer a risk, thus risk taking will always kill you or destroy you... "become who you are" is undefined, and if truth itself is never reached but only approximations to it, then it is of course a life long pursuit in the spirt of a child, searching. To interpret the world with our senses and TRUST those senses knowing each one lies in its own way, at times, means incompleteness, and willing self deception, and YET those senses, even enhanced, are the best TOOLS we have to approach and appreciate the world. Being selective to what you let in to include, is also most likely to deceive you, even as a great selector of things. So how do we define "bravery" and the other concepts mentioned here?? by examples?? That seems less helpful, but the best we have for illustrating a final concept of Bravery, no??
I just wanted to share something that may have been missed you do point out that niece is talking about convictions right worst enemy to truth then lies are these convictions but when he talks about discernment - the Hebrew hamavdil. The reason I mentioned this is because in zarathustra he mentions colored vapor the world seemed to me before the eyes of a disenchanted god and I have no doubt he knew that the German word for vapor is the same one used in Hebrew for the soul or the breath
Hey man, I absolutely your podcast. I noticed the sound might be bit harsh and unpleasant with some syllables. Have you thought about adding a De-Esser ?
I honestly didn't even notice, but he's a musician so I'm sure he knows how. I just notice how much better the audio is when I listen on anything other than my phone
The material condiditions of living as they was at Nietzsche time have somewhat reached the global south later, believe they are closer, have the outer look in the same seek those interpretations; pardon my english syr: 29:29 this feels like what? Where am this?
Uh, sorry about that comment yesterday. I’m processing some pre conscious memory trauma. It often manifests itself in the form of jokes- - - lots and lots of jokes
🤙🏼me 2 🖖u- again, sorry about my bad book title joke. Trollery and sarcasm is exhausting, boring, and obviously (?) a means of psychological self defense, the problem is that Janus coin of “defense” is simultaneously a form of offense- which is downright offensive
is cognitive dissonance a condition whereby ones actions clash with their convictions or discernment? I can have a conviction that goes against my better judgment, is discernment this better judgment? Very strange that you can know something that clashes with a discernment, does one's discernment 'know better'? Exactly where does a discernment originate? Why do we struggle with these discernments? You cannot both 'know' something and 'understand' it without 'knowing better'. What does it mean to know better? Perhaps the consequence is an action, hence why we may struggle to come to terms with this type of knowledge (an authority). If we are not free to do as we please reason becomes subordinate. If reason was to emancipate itself from this discernment how would it accomplish such a thing, and would we call this an act of defiance or freedom?
@@raucousriley143 "discernment is the tool one uses to resolve the cognitive dissonance". I agree with this. For the sake of providing an example, let us assume that my discernment helps me determine how I 'ought' best act, 'it is good to be honest', thus I arrive upon a conviction with the aid of my discernment. But upon further experimentation I learn, as consequence of this discernment, that it is not always good to be honest. In fact, sometimes my honesty fails to bring about desirable conditions. If I continue to act upon this conviction that I must always be honest situationally I might be left feeling miserable. You mention cognitive dissonance arises when becoming aware of convictions, but in the example provided this is not always the case. Often it is our convictions that clash with a better judgment; our discernments. From this perspective cognitive dissonance occurs when our convictions are in conflict with our discernments, not the other way around. From whence does this discernment originate? It seems to be experienced as a type of correspondence thereby it teaches us (A) how best to act and (B) how best to think, eg. hence how we arrive upon convictions. First we are provided the 'how' (the method), our convictions provide us with the 'why'; "provided the why we can endure any how" (Nietzsche).
I can imagine that a type of nuanced morality might arise from such a type of correspondence whereby the discernment continues to incentivise us to make further and finer distinctions regarding our conduct and how we ‘ought’ express ourselves. This never-ending fractal process of distinction and refinement also sounds frustrating, a similar task to that of Sisyphus whereby he was tasked with pushing a boulder up a hill for all eternity; it is frustrating to try the same thing over and over to no avail in an attempt to replicate an outcome, in an attempt to feel good about ourselves, but not being able to reliably do so due to the forever evolving discernments, evolving in conjunction with circumstances that change over time, over which we have no control. What is the function of frustration? Our frustration compounds until we either change our method or despair. It is a fine line our discernments make us walk; like tightrope walkers often we find ourselves losing our balance. To live life without satisfaction is like falling headfirst into an abyss. It is a struggle: we try to keep our head up and look to the future with no end in sight. Must we learn to enjoy the process as does Sisyphus; is this why we must imagine him smiling? Seemingly these discernments are just as likely, if not more likely, to condition helplessness than excellence in their recipients. People struggle with their discernments, and those who try to abandon the struggle must also find a way to ignore instruction lest they become servants or slaves to their own better judgment; we either service our discernments willingly or we get dragged along by them kicking and screaming. How do we endure these discernments: with beliefs? Beliefs help us endure, perhaps this is because beliefs are meaningful: "Meaning makes a great many things endurable, perhaps everything" (Carl Jung).
"Tension IS life", you're not kidding with that, it is true. And it makes life harder than almost everyone you see around you. If you are ever against, or markedly different, in your opinions or WAY OF DAILY LIFE. It seems to me it comes almost in temperament, DNA (?), but whatever combination it takes for it to ride, education, environment, I don't know it can be killed or permanently diminished by schooling and normally bad teachers?? Because I have seen TEACHERS now kill many CHILDREN'S dreams on the spot, and the teachers seem very UN-conscious of it, it is a way of life for them, they do way more of this than build or encourage bravery and thought, which might be because they themselves do not have it. Teachers after all are chosen also from the majority, no?? If we say "average" about ANYTHING it implies mediocrity, no?? So the only antidote to this might be the persons early character, built through study and thought and discipline, as seems the case with Nietzsche. So how much choice did he have to NOT be as he was?? He loved that bible quote "I came to the world NOT to bring peace, but a sword". The "exceptions" do have value, but then we go into Rank, levels, and Nietzsche seems to think that different rules need to apply OFFICIALLY for those INDIVIDUALS, one law for thee, and another for me?? Are we so certain that those extraordinary individuals will not abuse that power, that they can control it and manage it well?? I don't know how, but to me it seems that the extraordinary individual has to be great and extraordinary WITHIN teh same laws as anyone else, that range of APPLIED law we all live in now, even if to the extraordinary individual it seems clearly unfair, and limiting, etc, but history is fun of examples of too much power in ANY ONE'S hands going wrong, in fact I cannot think of a single example of it going right for LONG... no?? It seems a natural or practical (?) tendency of the individual who is good or great at ANYTHING to start venturing into all other fields thinking he is also great at those fields, and people also encouraging such a man and asking him advice or guidance in OTHER fields he is not DEMONSTRATED greatness in, that makes the person think he is indeed great in any field, and with power in his hands, that always goes badly. So I do accept the extraordinary individual has to be given some leeway, normally if he succeeds at it past twenty without his teachers or social group killing his spirt, the very people around him know this and thus give him such leeway, IF HE SURVIVES the first twenty years, bc these people also tend to be destructive BY THEIR NATURE, but to make rules only for them, laws, is a huge mistake. I is not the same to burn a place from experimenting some new way of something, than to burn a place bc you are a pyromaniac, even the courts normally take all these circumstantial details into account.
you know, double K... i've fallen into the habit of commenting on your new videos with the most hyperbolic incendiary polarizing provocative English language game that i can muster with my dim-witted slow-plodding mind before i listen to them... to create, as 'twere, unrealistically high expectations for your performance... but, monsieur Keeg... i must say, sir!!... this was most excellent... and that's not the Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey talkin'... (well... maybe a little... "human, all too human?" lololo)
This comment is stupid. I don’t care. What this podcast has done for me (isn’t that what really matters?) is confirm a suspicion of mine, and this only one example, summed up by a title from a Tim Dillon Show clip. The title is glorious in its relevance: “Costco Has Turned Americans into Monsters”. This is a nifty little callback to the Nietzsche Contra Capitalism episode, and I assure you, I am no communist, but I also despise mindless shopping. Life is more than that. And that is all I know with certainty in this weird, corrupt, and allegedly confusing world. smiley face emoji
The greatest book ever written is the Iliad. Everything that follows has the unfortunate characteristic of slow decline. Herodotus comes close as does Nietzsche. Socrates/Plato would have us jettison the poets, the typical response of the decadent to health. To fight decadence by destroying the creation of a healthier era is exactly what Nietzsche defines as modernity.
I hear you. The censorship is completly out of hand. Even comments that are not offending in the slightest will get deleted, if the google authorities disagree with your world view.
Of course, Nietzsche is an important philosopher of history of philosophy... However, his philosophy is for children... For New begginers to philosophy...
The business of philosophy is to teach man to live in uncertainty... not to reassure him, but to upset him. --Shestov
I always thought that the business of philosophy was to affirm all of life as desirable. It is based on this capacity that we rank our philosophers, we rank them according to their degree of competence; this may upset people who disagree, the nihilist for example does not think of life as worth living and thus they struggle to come to terms with any philosophy or doctrine that challenges their right to believe 'life is meaningless'.
you dont need philosophy for that thats literally just life. upsetting is the only thing that any belief does anyways. you believe something and life contradicts it. people in the east understood this well so they thought they could find a way to not believe in anything.
@@welfrion7878 is life worth living? reason cannot provide a legitimate answer to this question thus we have philosophy.
reason cannot determine what an advantage is: it is both true that I love mum and I hate her; what should I believe?
another example: it is painful to care, it is painful not to care, in which truth do you find the most appeal because not caring does not work. In what should you believe?
pretty sure to answer these questions you need philosophy or discernment. The philosophy will either affirm life or condemn it.
if a philosophy fails to affirm life as desirable this reveals nothing about the 'nature' of existence, it makes apparent only the constitution of the thinker; thus we rank our philosophers and esteem them based on their capacity to redeem life as desirable.
@@welfrion7878 "upsetting is the only thing that any belief does anyway"
you are incorrect..
consider the following: 'suffering is provincial to the man who believes that on the 1001st year there will be heaven on earth' (Albert Camus).
In summa: beliefs help you endure..
Although, I am unsure if this applies to all beliefs. For example I fail to comprehend how the belief that 'life is meaningless' helps us endure anything besides the suppression of an impulse to act.
Afterall, if life is meaningless then the passions become nothing other than a source of heartbreak, frustration and shame. These people act as though existence were a mistake.
much like in the Chinese proverb whereby the fox decides the fruit in the tree is sour because it was outside of his reach the nihilist decides that the passions are meaningless and that life is not worth living merely because he cannot attain satisfaction.
because the nihilist cannot enjoy life they no longer want to celebrate it. But is it true that life is not worth living?
philosophy thereby does not necessarily dabble in the realm of providing absolute truths, philosophy recognises that truths are designed to be functional and are very seldom legitimate. if life is worth living then the truths that help us endure are significant.
@@isaacbarratt854 I certainly agree with you its just that the quote above made no sense to me. philosophy serves the same purpose as any religion or political idealogy. as you said belief does help us endure but it does so by providing a false sense of security but at the end all beliefs are defective because they always clash with the reality which is what causes suffering. of course some beliefs are essential, the ones that are wired inside of you, but the rest that is learned through text can only weaken you.
Haven’t listened yet but I want to say you are a brilliant interpreter of Nietzsche, so many people to listen to on this app, you are as level-headed and insightful as they come
Seconded. I know nobody in my offline life who comprehends Nietzsche's ideas, and so this channel, for me, is somewhat of a brother with whom I can juggle and reshape my understanding of these ideas.
@@nachashiesu-sophiaSame here
Manna from heaven....so to speak 😂
You really do a thorough job articulating your interpretations of Nietzsche's meaning, which so many fail to do.
And you also do it with some humor and personality, to keep the content from getting dry or boring; another fine podcast, man!👍
"One must imagine Nietzsche happy" came to mind after listening to the video... thanks for making these.
This is incredibly clear and inspiring as well. On a day when I am struggling like today, I need to hear that suffering and strife are good. I also need to accept that wasted potential is a part of life and it is good too. Amor fati. My favorite Nietzche quote “ I am railing by the torrent! Grasp me if you can. Your crutch however, I am not”- Thus spoke Zarathustra.
29:29 Hence Nietzsche's doubts about the Authorship of Shakespeare's works.
Just finished my fifth listen. Thank you. Keep going, friend.
Hi. Modern man here and feeling fine.
As I listen to these wonderful podcasts knowing I’m not smart enough to take in but a small portion of Nietzsche’s epic brilliance, these more simple thoughts come to one’s mind:
-how one barely makes it through a day anymore without hearing the word Nietzsche, the nearly unpronounceable name of a 19th century philosopher who wrote in German. Just remarkable.
-how “thinking,”something most people do inside their heads, was for him a tool to project outward to the cosmos, and into the darkest regions of the human soul.
-and how this towering brilliance dwelt in such a small, sickly, lonely being. My heart soars with Nietzsche’s words, and then breaks with the knowledge that he lived every day in pain, utter loneliness, and finally, madness. One weeps.
Well said
These lectures are so therapeutic, from the bottom of my heart I thank you.
one if my favorites. definitely a relisten. thank you.
Thank you …. I’m gonna listen to it while caring for my plants at work tomorrow….
It was splendid …. Thank you again
This brought me to tears…
''Why sacrifice? I squander what is given to me, I - a squanderer with a thousand hands; how could I call that sacrificing? And when I desired honey, I merely desired bait and sweet mucus and mucilage, which make even growling bears and queer, sullen, evil birds put out their tongues - the best bait, needed by hunters and fishermen. For if the world is like a dark jungle and a garden of delight for all wild hunters, it strikes me even more, and so I prefer to think of it, as an abysmal, rich sea - a sea full of colorful fish and crabs, which even gods might covet, that for their sakes they would wish to become fishermen and net-throwers: so rich is the world in queer things, great and small. Especially the human world, the human sea: that is where I now cast my golden fishing rod and say: Open up, you human abyss!
Open up and cast up to me your fish and glittering crabs! With my best bait I shall today bait the queerest human fish. My happiness itself I cast out far and wide, between sunrise, noon, and sunset, to see if many human fish might not learn to wriggle and wiggle from my happiness until, biting at my sharp hidden hooks, they must come up to my height - the most colorful abysmal groundlings, to the most sarcastic of all who fish for men. For that is what I am through and through: reeling, reeling in, raising up, raising, a raiser, cultivator, and disciplinarian, who once counseled himself, not for nothing: Become who you are!''
Thus Spoke Zarathustra IV The Honey Sacrifice.
What a great ending to the season! Many thanks for all your hard work. You have truly enriched my life these past couple months, and have inspired in me a great philosophy; a love of wisdom. One thing that did stand out to me as curious was the statement given 50:32 "Having a combatant, or an enemy is actually of great benefit. It is the test of their ideas, their contrast, their contest which creates a productive relationship. This is where everything good and worthwhile comes from." - Could you help clarify how this differs so with the Hegelian dialectic? It is a similar (seeming) contradiction I find in the writings of Gilles Deleuze, who also sets himself at odds with the Hegelian dialectic (though he does explain how his being at odds is not dialectic) but this is yet something I fail to grasp. Is it simply the dialectic as a means to an end which Nietzsche disagrees with?
Isaacbarrett your note that begins with thirty - three has nine comments, when you hit on the newest heading at the top of notes there will show twenty notes.
Quite often when you think your notes deleted, you can find them when you hit newest.
Awesome man... Thank you!
Smart. Love the sharing of the knowledge. Thanks
Love this podcast so much!!
Great listen thanks. Really loved the ending! 🙏
That's not a photo of Nietzsche, it's French anarchist Ravachol who got sentenced to death in the 19th century.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravachol
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Excellent
No centaurs were harmed in the 19th century. I looked it up. And you spelled archer wrong.
Ravachol
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs Yes, I didn't remember his name.
We live to explore and experience our themes, this is a fulfilment of a Soul-agreement - not a personality. So Nietzsche found the 'version of the world' that represented his own giving and receiving (acceptance) of meaning. Not an intellectually polished construct but an uncovered discernment of author-ity - where the gift is recognised unalloyed. A true discernment uncovered a wholeness that cannot be spoken (but that a replica runs as broken).
The mind can and does mimic the spirit - but only as a mythological narrative construct - yet from which we can recognise errors, omissions and contradictions otherwise hidden as our 'world'.
Listening in I sense that the few who have a version of Nietzsche by which to guide them include our world shaping 'elites' - not the puppets fronted out but the will to break the world order and the human mind (they are the same at root) so as to make space and reset time to create. Yet the will to power as I see it is not creative in truth but in a Promethean rebellion (chained and tormented thereby).
The Spiritual perspective so readily distorted as out of this world or apple pie when you die - is founded in the new world that only a mind renewed can see and give witness to by example - for it cannot be taught or learned. yet is nigh - the moment at hand - for eyes that can see.
The attempt to wake others is the unhealed healer of seeking to work out our own conflicts 'externally'. Conflicting messages do not facilitate sound learning - yet it also stands that a student may 'see' and appreciate the reflections for their own insight regardless the flaws of the teacher.
I will add that your narration is very well delivered and to the point which I appreciate as the witness to an integration of insight and enquiry that cares to share in what you value.
This to me underlies 'culture' not the structures that become a template.
Courage-Bravery: What I can say is that bravery for bravery's sake become stupidity, risk taking becomes increasing risk taking or it is no longer a risk, thus risk taking will always kill you or destroy you... "become who you are" is undefined, and if truth itself is never reached but only approximations to it, then it is of course a life long pursuit in the spirt of a child, searching. To interpret the world with our senses and TRUST those senses knowing each one lies in its own way, at times, means incompleteness, and willing self deception, and YET those senses, even enhanced, are the best TOOLS we have to approach and appreciate the world. Being selective to what you let in to include, is also most likely to deceive you, even as a great selector of things.
So how do we define "bravery" and the other concepts mentioned here?? by examples?? That seems less helpful, but the best we have for illustrating a final concept of Bravery, no??
I just wanted to share something that may have been missed you do point out that niece is talking about convictions right worst enemy to truth then lies are these convictions but when he talks about discernment - the Hebrew hamavdil. The reason I mentioned this is because in zarathustra he mentions colored vapor the world seemed to me before the eyes of a disenchanted god and I have no doubt he knew that the German word for vapor is the same one used in Hebrew for the soul or the breath
This was the best, thank you
Nietzsche indeed as educator. He bought back in to sharp focus for me, as a Muslim the noble virtues in the Quran
@@beachcomber2328He can’t, as his entire worldview is a laughable contradiction.
Please keep becoming who you are, my beloved sir! ❤
Hey man, I absolutely your podcast. I noticed the sound might be bit harsh and unpleasant with some syllables. Have you thought about adding a De-Esser ?
I honestly didn't even notice, but he's a musician so I'm sure he knows how. I just notice how much better the audio is when I listen on anything other than my phone
@@raucousriley143 Yes you are right, I was noticing it on Spotify mobile which I don't with other podcasts
Thanks!
That Dostoevsky book I believe you are referring to is" Notes from a Dead House" I think that is the title. I know I've read that at one point
Somehow you remind me of the guys from srsly wrong podcast. Besides andrewism and yours, my favourite philosophical pods.
31:34 I love your channel and your audience, I'm gonna comment on ALL your videos for years until I reach your level of subscribers.
i love your stuff. i keep going yes and nodding my head
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Knowledge unshared is useless. ❤️
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I'd be pleased if you could make a future episode on Jonathan Bowden, if he is of interest to you.
The material condiditions of living as they was at Nietzsche time have somewhat reached the global south later, believe they are closer, have the outer look in the same seek those interpretations; pardon my english syr: 29:29 this feels like what? Where am this?
Bravo! Thabk you.
I'm with Nietzsche, I see a real problem with modernity too...
So I shouldn't buy your book but will get one for free instead? Message received and understood!
Uh, sorry about that comment yesterday. I’m processing some pre conscious memory trauma. It often manifests itself in the form of jokes- - - lots and lots of jokes
🤙🏼me 2 🖖u- again, sorry about my bad book title joke. Trollery and sarcasm is exhausting, boring, and obviously (?) a means of psychological self defense, the problem is that Janus coin of “defense” is simultaneously a form of offense- which is downright offensive
33:00 conviction vs discernment
is cognitive dissonance a condition whereby ones actions clash with their convictions or discernment?
I can have a conviction that goes against my better judgment, is discernment this better judgment?
Very strange that you can know something that clashes with a discernment, does one's discernment 'know better'? Exactly where does a discernment originate? Why do we struggle with these discernments?
You cannot both 'know' something and 'understand' it without 'knowing better'. What does it mean to know better? Perhaps the consequence is an action, hence why we may struggle to come to terms with this type of knowledge (an authority). If we are not free to do as we please reason becomes subordinate. If reason was to emancipate itself from this discernment how would it accomplish such a thing, and would we call this an act of defiance or freedom?
I view his use of the word "discernment" as the tool one uses to resolve the cognitive dissonance that arises when becoming aware of convictions.
@@raucousriley143 "discernment is the tool one uses to resolve the cognitive dissonance". I agree with this.
For the sake of providing an example, let us assume that my discernment helps me determine how I 'ought' best act, 'it is good to be honest', thus I arrive upon a conviction with the aid of my discernment.
But upon further experimentation I learn, as consequence of this discernment, that it is not always good to be honest. In fact, sometimes my honesty fails to bring about desirable conditions.
If I continue to act upon this conviction that I must always be honest situationally I might be left feeling miserable. You mention cognitive dissonance arises when becoming aware of convictions, but in the example provided this is not always the case. Often it is our convictions that clash with a better judgment; our discernments. From this perspective cognitive dissonance occurs when our convictions are in conflict with our discernments, not the other way around.
From whence does this discernment originate? It seems to be experienced as a type of correspondence thereby it teaches us (A) how best to act and (B) how best to think, eg. hence how we arrive upon convictions. First we are provided the 'how' (the method), our convictions provide us with the 'why'; "provided the why we can endure any how" (Nietzsche).
I can imagine that a type of nuanced morality might arise from such a type of correspondence whereby the discernment continues to incentivise us to make further and finer distinctions regarding our conduct and how we ‘ought’ express ourselves.
This never-ending fractal process of distinction and refinement also sounds frustrating, a similar task to that of Sisyphus whereby he was tasked with pushing a boulder up a hill for all eternity; it is frustrating to try the same thing over and over to no avail in an attempt to replicate an outcome, in an attempt to feel good about ourselves, but not being able to reliably do so due to the forever evolving discernments, evolving in conjunction with circumstances that change over time, over which we have no control.
What is the function of frustration? Our frustration compounds until we either change our method or despair. It is a fine line our discernments make us walk; like tightrope walkers often we find ourselves losing our balance. To live life without satisfaction is like falling headfirst into an abyss. It is a struggle: we try to keep our head up and look to the future with no end in sight. Must we learn to enjoy the process as does Sisyphus; is this why we must imagine him smiling?
Seemingly these discernments are just as likely, if not more likely, to condition helplessness than excellence in their recipients. People struggle with their discernments, and those who try to abandon the struggle must also find a way to ignore instruction lest they become servants or slaves to their own better judgment; we either service our discernments willingly or we get dragged along by them kicking and screaming.
How do we endure these discernments: with beliefs? Beliefs help us endure, perhaps this is because beliefs are meaningful: "Meaning makes a great many things endurable, perhaps everything" (Carl Jung).
Did you delete your other comments? I thought they were very interesting
Is the thumbnail an edited photo of Ravachol to look like Nietzsche
"Tension IS life", you're not kidding with that, it is true.
And it makes life harder than almost everyone you see around you. If you are ever against, or markedly different, in your opinions or WAY OF DAILY LIFE.
It seems to me it comes almost in temperament, DNA (?), but whatever combination it takes for it to ride, education, environment, I don't know it can be killed or permanently diminished by schooling and normally bad teachers?? Because I have seen TEACHERS now kill many CHILDREN'S dreams on the spot, and the teachers seem very UN-conscious of it, it is a way of life for them, they do way more of this than build or encourage bravery and thought, which might be because they themselves do not have it. Teachers after all are chosen also from the majority, no?? If we say "average" about ANYTHING it implies mediocrity, no??
So the only antidote to this might be the persons early character, built through study and thought and discipline, as seems the case with Nietzsche. So how much choice did he have to NOT be as he was?? He loved that bible quote "I came to the world NOT to bring peace, but a sword".
The "exceptions" do have value, but then we go into Rank, levels, and Nietzsche seems to think that different rules need to apply OFFICIALLY for those INDIVIDUALS, one law for thee, and another for me?? Are we so certain that those extraordinary individuals will not abuse that power, that they can control it and manage it well?? I don't know how, but to me it seems that the extraordinary individual has to be great and extraordinary WITHIN teh same laws as anyone else, that range of APPLIED law we all live in now, even if to the extraordinary individual it seems clearly unfair, and limiting, etc, but history is fun of examples of too much power in ANY ONE'S hands going wrong, in fact I cannot think of a single example of it going right for LONG... no?? It seems a natural or practical (?) tendency of the individual who is good or great at ANYTHING to start venturing into all other fields thinking he is also great at those fields, and people also encouraging such a man and asking him advice or guidance in OTHER fields he is not DEMONSTRATED greatness in, that makes the person think he is indeed great in any field, and with power in his hands, that always goes badly.
So I do accept the extraordinary individual has to be given some leeway, normally if he succeeds at it past twenty without his teachers or social group killing his spirt, the very people around him know this and thus give him such leeway, IF HE SURVIVES the first twenty years, bc these people also tend to be destructive BY THEIR NATURE, but to make rules only for them, laws, is a huge mistake. I is not the same to burn a place from experimenting some new way of something, than to burn a place bc you are a pyromaniac, even the courts normally take all these circumstantial details into account.
Lesson about the number 3: Ferrari- - - beautiful, seductive, Dangerous Please read slow, count the syllables- - - breathe breathe breathe
you know, double K... i've fallen into the habit of commenting on your new videos with the most hyperbolic incendiary polarizing provocative English language game that i can muster with my dim-witted slow-plodding mind before i listen to them... to create, as 'twere, unrealistically high expectations for your performance... but, monsieur Keeg... i must say, sir!!... this was most excellent... and that's not the Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey talkin'... (well... maybe a little... "human, all too human?" lololo)
you always finish strong, immortal Keeg!!... is it instinctive?... intuitive?... dare i say, Nietzschean of you, sweet sir?? lolo
These are even funnier on the second and third reads. Monsieur Keeg should have had you write his introduction or a forward for his new book
Are you sure that's Nietzsche in the thumbnail?
It’s not. But it doesn’t matter.
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I really like this photograph of Nietzsche's face because it has a bright quality to it, even looking at that face somehow engenders hope
That’s not Nietzsche, it’s Ravachol. The hair and mustache have been edited, and glasses added, to make him resemble Nietzsche.
This comment is stupid. I don’t care. What this podcast has done for me (isn’t that what really matters?) is confirm a suspicion of mine, and this only one example, summed up by a title from a Tim Dillon Show clip. The title is glorious in its relevance: “Costco Has Turned Americans into Monsters”. This is a nifty little callback to the Nietzsche Contra Capitalism episode, and I assure you, I am no communist, but I also despise mindless shopping. Life is more than that. And that is all I know with certainty in this weird, corrupt, and allegedly confusing world. smiley face emoji
The greatest book ever written is the Iliad.
Everything that follows has the unfortunate characteristic of slow decline.
Herodotus comes close as does Nietzsche.
Socrates/Plato would have us jettison the poets, the typical response of the decadent to health.
To fight decadence by destroying the creation of a healthier era is exactly what Nietzsche defines as modernity.
my comments keep getting deleted :/
At the top of notes hit newest, quite often your notes will be found there
I hear you. The censorship is completly out of hand. Even comments that are not offending in the slightest will get deleted, if the google authorities disagree with your world view.
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Of course, Nietzsche is an important philosopher of history of philosophy...
However, his philosophy is for children...
For New begginers to philosophy...
So you're telling me to unsub, and then threaten to reappear in my feed anyway? 😏
Fascinating podcast, but you need to argue these points with others in order to refine your thinking. You're a little too full of yourself.
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it's too much, monsieur Keeg!!... too much, i say... indeed, i'll swallow my tongue whilst caught in the throes of a Nietzschean ecstasy!!
How can one not like your comments
This comment reads like it’s straight out of the rhyming prelude of The Gay Science.
@@philalethes216 which i'm currently re-reading... under the o'erwhelming influence of... (you guess'd it) immortal Keeg!!
@@languagegame410 Enjoy it! I think of all his books, Nietzsche wanted us to enjoy that one the most.
Whose face is that? It doesn't look like Nietzsche.
That is my face, Sir.
I’m pretty sure that’s the French anarchist Ravachol.
Funny/Strange how all these 'philosophers' come from Germany, home of the AISB. Ahem. Enough said?
I shall shall deny, and see you again ;)