There Is NO "Good Time" To Buy a Rolex Anymore. (Q&A)
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The Rolex grey market is raging, prices are on the upswing, people are falling to their knees in the street at the pure despair of not being able to get their favorite Rolex...what can we DO?! Today the boys are diving down the Q&A hole and chatting about Christian getting scammed, Rolex prices, bubbles, bloops, and bleeps.
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Harris came back everybody, everything is gonna be okay
That's Theo 😆
Finally Michael’s back. I’m watching again
Jesus, you guys are insufferable
My exact thought!!
I’m patiently waiting for Michael’s next solo video 😊
Hilarious how much you're intimidated by Christian's success with such a lame ass comment like that.
Who is Michael? Do you mean Harris?
Completely agree on the JLC price hikes. I wanted to buy JLC Reverso but I don’t want to be the sucker paying 40% over what it was not so long ago.
Completely agree. I’m in the exact same situation and mindset. They wanted 8k, I was willing to give them 8k. Now they want 12k? They’re gonna get 0. It’s that simple.
They’ve priced themselves right out of the market
JLC is shooting themselves in the foot. You can buy a preowned Reverso in the secondary market for not much more than what it was 12 months ago but if you were to buy new and pay retail price you would pay a whole lot more than last year. That just means the secondary market prices aren't supporting the retail price hikes.
100% on what you all said - going preowned for a Reverso next because of the crazy price hikes
Today, feeling whimsical I jumped on to the JLC site to see that a simple steel mono was now almost £10k - it was £5,150 2 years ago!
Shocked!
Luckily, I picked up a pink gold duo face in 2021 for under retail after nearly 15 years of dreaming!
Bracelet technology could get better for a lot of brands
Manu outsource their bracelets like ALS/Lange
Agreed. Looking at you, Grand Seiko. Also, it's more the clasps that are the problem than the bracelets. Lack of tool-free microadjustment in anything over $500 is unacceptable IMO.
One of London’s most respected watch dealers is David Duggan at. Burlington Arcade. I was in there buying a Milgauss. He had a John Mayer in the window and he said in passing he had no idea why people called it that “People come in asking to see the John Mayer and I know now it’s that one, but I don’t know who he is or why it’s called that”
Paul Newman was a world renowned actor. John Mayer is barely a blip on the radar outside America.
For a certain generation. I am 38 and have no idea who Newman is, but unfortunately I do know John Mayer
“I can’t talk about these brands in public. But go pay for my podcast, which is also public”
I really like watching the videos. But they must think that the viewers are just plain stupid. :D
Great talk! My only comment is, Paul Newman was kind of the Tom Cruise of his time with more cool and less crazy factor. I don't think John Mayer is even the Ed Sheeran of his time musically. He is known for watches but I don't think anyone is trying to buy into the Mystique of John Mayer when they buy a Rolex. I'm not gonna buy a Rolex and throw on "Your Body is a Wonderland" on my car radio. Jay Z who you've talked about probably has that wider relevance culturally.
They were together in The Color of Money.
Slight criticism with the new setup. With the old setup you both were looking forward towards the camera making it more like you both were talking to the audience. This setup you are spaced further apart looking and talking to each other.
How is this criticism and not just an observation?
Michael get your Daytona mate 🎉
Why?
MOM COME HERE MICHAEL IS BACK
Just about to pull my subscription..then Michael and the Dynamic Duo are back! Nice discussion guys!
Love the Q&A format.....please do more :D
As far as innovation, apart from scratch resistance of cases/bracelets, I'd love to see a mechanical watch that can endure EXTREME shocks and vibrations.
They already exist across multiple brands!
New set sucks. Lacks intimacy.
The new setup is hard to watch as the background doesn't blend into the surrounding environment. If you go for warm tones background then go full warm tones, if you go full cold tones then go full cold tones, don't go for 80% warm tones and 20% cold tones. If you like the contrast then go for 50-50. The space between both of the speakers are too spread out while having casual talk; that space setting is only work for news setting and politic debate setting.
You finally reorganized those mic stands! The old setup looked like a wall was set up and too intrusive. Always great to hear from you two.
Welcome back Michael
Hell yeah Michael!
Personal opinion:
I would never ever see art as an investment opportunity (masterworks).
It’s highly volatile, extremely subjective, depending on trends and individual’s preferences.
Actually most art pieces are only sold once. At auctions the majority doesn’t get sold at all.
Contrary to things like gold etc. every art piece has to find THAT one person, who absolutely wants it (which can take decades).
Entertaining and fun as always!
Best wishes
also, it reduces art from something that is enjoyed down to something that makes money. To a speculative investment. It’s antithetical to the very idea of art itself
@@MH5tube Indeed!
And one should not forget, that (in this case) you don’t actually own a part of the art piece. They create a LLC for each piece, you then own shares. So you can’t even see/enjoy it.
In addition there’s a yearly fee + 20% sales commission. Do the math…
Best wishes
So, what's the deal with FP Journe?
My two favorite watch guys. Love the show.
This Michael guy is amazing. You should have him on every episode.
He isn't new but he got suspended several months ago for stealing office supplies.
Loved the discussion around the societal commentary from the perspective of wealth and culture via watches and other expensive bobbles
Harris is back!
Return of the Mike.
Thank God Theo is back
It's Harris by the way.
Michaels little can't touch this Mc Hammer comment got me laughing hey
I remember i accidentally bought a Universal Geneve while drunk once . I thought it was a steal . When it landed it was genuine but it was a ladies watch and the size of a grain of rice . I have followed Theo and Harris from the start . And at the time I think Christian was still doing videos in the back of his Car lol . I message him . He said he would sell it . I posted it from Ireland to Christian and he sold it in 2 days . 👌🏽👌🏽
Great show with thoughtful commentary. Thanks!
John is dying to attain icon status, I think. He comes across very cool & humble on first instances, then when you follow him closer over years you realize that's a highly intelligent person with a strong narcissistic vein. Nothing wrong with that per se and I respect his music. But he introduced the world to the Daytona that would later get his name attached to in a very different way compared to Newman.
Humble???
Great take on how the increase of expense on the market will have a taxing impact to it. Looking forward to see what the brands do. Until then, plenty of awesome of vintage to enjoy.
As someone who doesn't live in a major metro area, when I go to one it feels like there has just been a money firehose that someone turned on, and none of it makes any sense or is worth it. I remember never buying stuff in Europe if I could get it in the USA because it was much cheaper to buy the same stuff in the US. Now I save my shopping for when I am in Germany as it is much cheaper.
Name one Mayer song… I’m a rock guy and know he plays guitar great guitar but his music is pop for chicks. He’s known by us for watches. Not sure about the longevity of this hype. It depends if Hodinkee sinks or not…
Agree 100%. I said in a separate comment that he hasn’t been musically relevant for more than 10 years. He’s a much bigger deal in the watch world than in the music world at this point.
Hey guys - sorry but still not a fan of the new set-up. Yes the audio is better but you’ve lost the quirky banter that the single mic brought and the warmth of the background lighting. I’ll be along for the ride with updates for the new space just feel like these double mics are a huge distraction. My 2cents 👍
LOL these comments. People must have really hated Sam huh? Damn 😂
I don’t know who John Mayor is now. I had to google him.
8:46 Huh? Rolex released the sky dweller. As someone that constantly travels isn't probably the best complication I've ever used.
I love your podcast guys and I understand anything with Rolex in the titles gets clicks……but OMG I’m so sick of hearing about Rolex. I think one of the reasons people are being turned off the brand is because every you tube watch channel is always banging on about them. They are great watches I have owned 7 of them but…..I think we the watch community are craving channels to stop using Rolex to get views. They should be in the mix but not THE Mix.
The reason they talk about Rolex so much is because the PEOPLE get what they want people want. These watch guys wouldn’t be hitting it so hard if it didn’t get the clicks.
Good Harris is back
Michael is much better than other guy
23:37 « watches are a bad investment » quote of the year !
It’s NOT and ever was a ‘John Mayer’ Daytona .. it’s just a gold green Daytona 🤔
Welcome back, Michael. Don't leave that chair.
Great video, gentlemen
Stop saying “you know” every freaking sentence.
Theo "you know" Harris
A watch measures the most precious thing we all have, time. Each individual watch does that with its own personality and artistic twist. We all weave our own story into our watch, it becomes part of us. Wear it, enjoy it, pass on the passion!
Thank you for interesting conversations!
Time is precious. Don’t waste your time measuring it.
I know who Paul Newman is. He’s on my bottle of salad dressing.
Technology in watches keeps improving, we just don't recognize them as watches.
If you buy a watch to wear, and maybe leave to your kids, none of this “brand trajectory” stuff matters.
Michael and Rolex! Let's get those viewer complaints down and views up!
It’s a good thing John Mayer is not obsessed with fame. He has not been musically relevant for more than 10 years.
Cartier used to do it with Must de Cartier
time stamps pls
Thank you for bringing Michael back
Was that masterworks thing signed as sponsored or did I miss something? 🤔
Innovation? What I'd like to see would be someone coming out with a watch with a bezel and a dial with the quality of ceramic and enamel BUT that you can also adjust and change the colors from an app. Want a green bezel today? No problem. Want to go smurf today? No problem. And on and on. May sound a bit gimmicky, but whoever manages to make this will get a lot of attention.
Great content and I enjoy your shows, but what's with all the scaffolding holding the microphones?
This one was nice! 👍
I respect the purists perspective of what is timeless and what makes a timepiece timeless from a design perspective. But I would push back on a specific item, what makes a watch “timeless”.
The design of a watch can be timeless, A Reverso, the Submariner, the Cartier Santos or Tank. But the dial can completely date the when of that watch or a change in case dimensions.
The Paul Newman exotic dial Daytona is a product of the space age, with fonts that were very evocative of the time and where we thought we were going as a species as we pursued landing on the Moon.
The John Mayer Daytona is totally a product of the mid Aughts to 2010s. Only time will tell if the JM is felt to be a classic, though I would agree that it will retain and increase in value.
Now as for the Music Edition ROO. For me the classic Genta shape is a timeless design, the Clou De Paris dial is classic. What I find so fascinating about this specific ROO is the whimsy of the dial color way and how it mimics an equalizer. So totally a Royal Oak Offshore and so totally different from the vast majority of the RO and ROO collection. The dial is much more dynamic in person than the stock photo you used.
Kudos on an interesting topic
The thing with AP to me is that the Royal oak is a classic model, the jumbo will be cool and a classic for a long long time to come,as well as the chrono as perp calendars, some of the offshores as well, but that being said they do make some stuff that will die hard and they have too many iteration and anything outside the royal oak just pretty much sucks.
What happened with FP Journe?
Best time to buy a Rolex is yesterday and the second best time is today
HE'S BACK! Thank you!!!
Studio undone! 😂
I don’t understand your point; you just mentioned that you want Patek to come up with an affordable watch and yet when VC has done it you say it’s not culturally important; I don’t even know what that means; VC did it as an entry level to their collection which I commend them for doing that (btw I don’t own any VC)
It's still not entry or accessible
Well it’s all relative just like life
25:38 *legend! 😂
Christian, great shirt. Where do I get one?
Mikey! Welcome back. Now strap that seatbelt on.
Can't wait till the holy trinity companies start making Quartz watches and calling it the most innovative watch they ever made.
The very best time to buy a Rolex is when your AD calls you.
Exactly I now own 3
Interesting ripoff story. What i dont understand is that you had to give something for the charge, correct? So you handed over a watch before the funds were totally cleared?
problem with Rolex is I would want the watch for a milestone occasion but I'm stuck only able to get one if I get a call from the AD....so what do I buy it and store it until the day comes? might as well just flip the thing for free money and forget about rolex
WHAT ABOUT F.P. JOURNE!?!
I don't know who John Mayer is. Seriously. I know he's a musician, right?
Czapek had a crystal hour glass
Sam and Michael are both great! Love seeing the videos mix up the dynamic.
I'm sorry but these gold Daytonas are just not practical. I tried a full gold one recently at an AD. Heavy . So damn heavy... and you have to be pretty much a massive peacock to wear one. Horrible. I just don't get the obsession. I'd take a 36mm OP or datejust over these ANY DAY
Green and gold are a classic pair!
Macy's Day Parade and the Dog Show are required viewing on Thanksgiving!
Side note: It's cool to watch you guys talk about the Iron Snail and what Michael does on UA-cam. Would love some more crossover!
I disagree that the reason Rolex is so famous isn't because they work hard to make their watches better every year. I think it is a big part of it. If they made watches the same way they did 20 years they would be much less successful.
As much I love this channel, I hate the wood background it's really distract me
You can cycle Christian out now and then - Michael should stay in that chair.
THEEEOOOOOOOO :)
Interesting perspective, investing in art might be the way to go! 🎨⌚
god I hate Masterworks so much
On there being no more groundbreaking innovation anymore: have the likes of Rolex and Omega given up on the battle to create the thinnest watches? Omega became a chunkster after introducing co-axial but I would love to see the next Seamaster 300m be around 11mm thick. Slimness always amazes me.
well since there is 100% chance of a major recession or worse some time in the future there's also 100% chance there will be a good time to buy a rolex in the future
All the major indicators say otherwise but sure… keep parroting Fox and trying to scare people, lol.
I am not sure what you mean by it "not being a good time" to buy a Rolex? Are you suggesting one will never "profit" from them again as was possible since mid-2020 (agreed), or are you suggesting that the market is going to continue to correct and one should wait? I think I would agree prices across the full model line will continue their downward trend (albeit slowly), except for the GMTs and Daytonas which I pretty much subscribe to the belief that buying today will always be better than buying tomorrow.
Also, the comment on AP is 100% true - That brand is not trending in the right direction, and their abhorrent treatment of "customers" over the past 3 years has burned not only many of their long time fans, but most people have simply moved on. RO's, almost across the full line, are headed to MSRP or below unless we're talking ceramic or skeletons. Want proof? Try and sell one to a dealer...
I don’t get what you mean by good time or bad time to buy a Rolex … you mean make a profit ? Hard to get at retail? Going down in value?
@@BFit25yes
love to see michael back
White gold reverso. Cool right? Right? Cool right? It’s cool right? Is it cool? Is it? Is it cool?
Studio Und0ne Michael?
I feel better now that I didn’t buy VC Fifty Six 😂
Bonham's 22Nov2023: Rolex market dead. Cartier market, doing OK. Probably we are still in the crash.
Was going to buy a Rolex but am staying away from the 32xx movement. It seems to be a dud and I don’t want chance it.
I actually like the 56 (other than the date)
mikey
Froth
AP's problem is that they are really Royal Oak brand. Imagine a Submariner with a moon phase,
Actually that would be cool. You are a goddamn genius. Rolex should hire you.