Seeing Kate fall apart completely, that last scene, when I was finally understanding that her views were exactly what mine would be as a “moral higround outsider (=babby)” and knowing I’d crumble like a crouton was a moving realisation. Beautiful film by Villeneuve & Deakins too of course
the soundtrack and the cinematography are a huge part of the atmosphere and a why this is my favorite Dennis Villeneuve movie and one of my favourites ever
I watched this the first time as a 16 year old mexican american. I would say it opened my eyes when it comes to the violence my weekly weed costs in blood. Now looking back at it I should not have been surprised as my own parents fled that violence
I always read Alejandro not killing Kate at the end was him giving her mercy and showing his humanity because she reminded him of his daughter. By that I mean that part of his orders were to kill Kate at the end but he decided to go against those and spare her because he does have some humanity in him. And so him telling her to hide wasn't just from the cartel but mostly from the CIA.
i wasn't supposed to be like this, script had different version of the end and Blunt and Del Toro improvised this one and Villeneuve kept it also idea you can hide from CIA within US borders and live some kind of normal life is funny, no way
@@pavelr.8042 interesting, do you know what the original ending was? It's not hiding from them more so not putting yourself in a situation where it's easy for them to get away with it or blame it on the cartel.
i think even though she was reluctant to sign the paper (assuming she was going to raise a ruckus about it all), the final confrontation was enough for Alejandro to see that she is completely broken. There was no way she was going to do anything about what she's seen, apart from maybe talk to herself while crying into a pillow
The film is soo good, one of the most memorable scenes for me is the 5 minutes watching the convoy of armored cars being escorted through Juárez. I think Thorin said it best in the Arrival review Villeneuve's films are just mega compelling.
YESSSS RICHARD, after Emily Blunt punched Josh Brolin I was CONVINCED she was getting murked and was left very unsatisfied how she was able to point a gun at Benicio del Toro and not get immediately shot by someone off screen.
This was an amazing movie and I love how it deviates from all the classic hollywood hero tropes. I agree with Richard that the better ending was if she just gets popped after singing the paper at the end
I do think the movie was predictable and Emily Blunt’s character came off as too naive at times, but it has some subtleties that keep it from becoming boring. All the performances are so good that you are completely invested in the film at all times and hanging onto every word, facial expression, anything that clues you in even more.
A cool detail i read about was that Denis ended up cutting 90% of Alejandro’s lines from the original script. Would also love if you guys had a series where you talked about TV shows. Doesn’t have to be regular but things like True Detective S1 deserve some spotlight on the channel.
Also, this is the first one of these that I’ve watched and I love film. It makes me realize how many great films I haven’t seen. Also thanks again Richard for unbanning me from the twitch Channel.
I would say an interesting thing about Kate is that she’s not so much naive as she is in denial. Cause she even calls Matt a spook meaning he’s undercover CIA, right off the bat, so she’s not just completely a deer in headlights, she’s sharp, but she just doesn’t want to believe her eyes at the things she’s seeing. I think it’s more denial than naivety, or a mix of both. Cause if she was truly just naive she would’ve been easily duped and by the end when it’s revealed she would have a different reaction. Because when Josh Brolin finally tells her that he is CIA, she has a “I fucking knew it” attitude, not surprised or shocked.
I saw this when I was 16 with my friends after school. I thought Benicio Del Toro's character was cool, I came home and played Vayne to the soundtrack in bronze 4
About the torture scene, the info they get which they then say "oh, turns out he WAS telling the truth" - The info they get is actually from the cartel lawyer who helped them "extradite" him, the old friend of Del Toro's character who give them the info. Inferring that the impression that the information came from the prisoner is more important than him actually giving it. Both his extradition and torture are just set pieces in the scheme of what's happening.
This movie was a great watch the first time; I saw some of the stuff that was going to happen but not all of it cuz of my wide-eyed naiveté at the time. There shouldn't have been a second movie, and I can't believe they're coming out with a third.
After actually watching these movies before the podcast and after watching both dune movies, before any of the other ones on this list, I am impressed with his work, especially with the atmosphere, drone shots of landscapes and the threads he lays from beginning to finish of his movies. I might agree with the notion that these movies are even better than the Dune movies, I just seem to like the universe of Dune. And Yes, I have not read the books, might be on a long term list. Im looking forward to next week though and would have loved an episode on Bladerunner 2049, the only movie I watched from him before the Dune movies, love that one.
I've only read Dune and Dune Messiah, and they are both very diffrent books but I enjoy them both. I do think to some extent that Dune films are his weakest films but dont understate the pressure. To deliver maybe the most anticipated adaptation in ScienceFiction is not easy. Especially because most people will scrutinise the film either way. He delivered something for the mainstream and for the book reader. I wouldn't have read the books if it was not for the film. I read the first book just before it came out and, of course, liked the book a-lot more. That tends to happen. I agree on Bladerunner 2049, my best experience in the cinema.
It just struck me but there is a parallel between Jake Gettis from Chinatown and Emily Blunt’s character in this movie that’s hard to unsee once you make the connection. Both characters operate with a reckless abandon that nearly gets them killed and will get them killed if they keep insisting on going on in the same fashion, they need to walk away or be pried away from their respective situations. They both also seem to always default to hostility and rudeness which does little to ingratiate themselves to the people around them.
This is the first time I watched all 4 (5 with both Dune parts) movies of a Fourplay series. Great series and great movies. I personally preferred Sicario to Prisoners. This is only the third time I think about directors instead of individual films. I will definitely look out for who the director of a movie is more often in the future. And I agree, Sicario 2 was not a good movie.
44:00 From my understanding, Alejandro was a prosecutor in Juarez, not a lawyer for the Medellín cartel. This is why when he meets his ex-colleague, he says I'm glad to hear that you are still in the fight. This means that he was indeed in the good guy and his family was killed because of it. It's a simpler good guy trying to do right turned psychopath after a harsh experience with reality deal.
I'm constantly surprised by how people (invariably males) come away viewing Alejandro as a (kind-of) hero and Kate as something approaching a "villain" who constantly tries to stand in the way of the "adults in the room doing what must be done". To me, this film creates a superbly morally ambiguous universe where you're missing the point if you pick ANY of the characters as "relatable" characters whom you "cheer on". To me, Alejandro is a pathetic shadow of a human being (superbly played by del Toro). I can't imagine you'd ever do an analysis of it, but to me "Sicario's" closest equivalent in Villeneuve’s filmography is his "Incendies".
Im no film critic im pretty easy to please with a movie but after hearing just the start can you guys please do the movie unthinkable with Samuel Jackson i thought it was very revealing into real life as well as his other movie the negotiator the subtleties in each and how they tie into the darkness of real life i thought was amazing
I love this one. My personal (guilty) pleasure. Who missed this film in the cinema should regret, some scenes asbolutely kick ass due to perfect camera, sound editing and insane soundtrack (f.e. the ride in and out of Juarez is godlike sequence). Brolin, Blunt and Del Toro are acting like there was no tomorrow. My favourite Villeneuve's film.
I also expected her to die, he told her to never point a gun at him and to not go on balconies. As soon as he leaves she does both of those, should have gotten snipped there. I like the focus on family and children in the movie, they always asked people if they had any kids. It makes you feel like they at least have some morals but in the end when it's personal it's personal.
I never got that "war on drugs". Just make every drug legal, an adult should have the freedom to do and take what he wants. If he then commits a crime put him away for it. Right now we do the opposite, we criminalise drugs and then we give people who can't handle them every excuse when they commit a crime. That's very sinister in my opinion, being a junky is a state not a character or an excuse
Im not sure if its just because i watched this film the next morning after watching Prisoners, or if its because I've lived my whole life in close proximity to the Mexican American border, but this movie was actually a pretty big let down. I think I'd have been more sold if this was the first non Dune movie in the arc that i watched, but Arrival and Prisoners were so great that this one kind of fell flat in comparison. I distinctly remember watching the scene where they had the captured migrants at the bus depot, and thinking, can we wrap this up, its not nearly as interesting as the others. I also felt that the ending should have been Kate walking out on the balcony and pointing the gun at Alejandro and getting domed because he said to avoid balconies and never point a weapon at him. The movie is definitely better than a lot of movies I've watched, but still ends up feeling like a fine/10.
How can Alejandro be relatable to anyone who is not a psychopath ? Great character for sure but he is as insane as the people he is hunting. He is "Rorschach", and as Alan Moore said, if you relate to that I'll think "great, can you keep away from me ?"
Thorin casually talking about his personal cocain use is not something I expected from this podcast, but I'm here for it.
nothing wrong with a bit of coco every once in a while
Fourplay is easily my favorite show about movies across all platforms, please never stop doing it guys!!
Seeing Kate fall apart completely, that last scene, when I was finally understanding that her views were exactly what mine would be as a “moral higround outsider (=babby)” and knowing I’d crumble like a crouton was a moving realisation. Beautiful film by Villeneuve & Deakins too of course
Damn
This is Denis' best movie in terms of atmosphere. This is how you do a cartel movie. Very tense.
the soundtrack and the cinematography are a huge part of the atmosphere and a why this is my favorite Dennis Villeneuve movie and one of my favourites ever
i fcking love this podcast! fav piece of weekly media I consume. Lowkey sad when you guys skip a week.
I watched this the first time as a
16 year old mexican american. I would say it opened my eyes when it comes to the violence my weekly weed costs in blood. Now looking back at it I should not have been surprised as my own parents fled that violence
I always read Alejandro not killing Kate at the end was him giving her mercy and showing his humanity because she reminded him of his daughter. By that I mean that part of his orders were to kill Kate at the end but he decided to go against those and spare her because he does have some humanity in him.
And so him telling her to hide wasn't just from the cartel but mostly from the CIA.
i wasn't supposed to be like this, script had different version of the end and Blunt and Del Toro improvised this one and Villeneuve kept it
also idea you can hide from CIA within US borders and live some kind of normal life is funny, no way
@@pavelr.8042 interesting, do you know what the original ending was?
It's not hiding from them more so not putting yourself in a situation where it's easy for them to get away with it or blame it on the cartel.
@@Gronmin I'm not sure original ending was mentioned, but most likely Alexandro kills Kate, it's only logical conclusion.
i think even though she was reluctant to sign the paper (assuming she was going to raise a ruckus about it all), the final confrontation was enough for Alejandro to see that she is completely broken. There was no way she was going to do anything about what she's seen, apart from maybe talk to herself while crying into a pillow
Villeneuve looks like a mix between DoA, Semmler and Epstein
I dont see it but sounds great still
Really do need that Roger Ebert AI, it would be an amazing reoccurring segment
The film is soo good, one of the most memorable scenes for me is the 5 minutes watching the convoy of armored cars being escorted through Juárez. I think Thorin said it best in the Arrival review Villeneuve's films are just mega compelling.
YESSSS RICHARD, after Emily Blunt punched Josh Brolin I was CONVINCED she was getting murked and was left very unsatisfied how she was able to point a gun at Benicio del Toro and not get immediately shot by someone off screen.
Watched this in cinemas when I was 16. Definitely was an experience both visually and in terms of changing my world view.
This was an amazing movie and I love how it deviates from all the classic hollywood hero tropes. I agree with Richard that the better ending was if she just gets popped after singing the paper at the end
I do think the movie was predictable and Emily Blunt’s character came off as too naive at times, but it has some subtleties that keep it from becoming boring. All the performances are so good that you are completely invested in the film at all times and hanging onto every word, facial expression, anything that clues you in even more.
A cool detail i read about was that Denis ended up cutting 90% of Alejandro’s lines from the original script. Would also love if you guys had a series where you talked about TV shows. Doesn’t have to be regular but things like True Detective S1 deserve some spotlight on the channel.
please keep doing this show its really great!!
Also, this is the first one of these that I’ve watched and I love film. It makes me realize how many great films I haven’t seen. Also thanks again Richard for unbanning me from the twitch Channel.
Will watch the movie after the Halo and Dallas final, locking forward to listening to it afterwards.
Been waiting for this episode. Keen to see what the next series will be 😊
I would say an interesting thing about Kate is that she’s not so much naive as she is in denial. Cause she even calls Matt a spook meaning he’s undercover CIA, right off the bat, so she’s not just completely a deer in headlights, she’s sharp, but she just doesn’t want to believe her eyes at the things she’s seeing. I think it’s more denial than naivety, or a mix of both. Cause if she was truly just naive she would’ve been easily duped and by the end when it’s revealed she would have a different reaction. Because when Josh Brolin finally tells her that he is CIA, she has a “I fucking knew it” attitude, not surprised or shocked.
Time again to see all the stuff i missed actually happening in the movie
I saw this when I was 16 with my friends after school. I thought Benicio Del Toro's character was cool, I came home and played Vayne to the soundtrack in bronze 4
About the torture scene, the info they get which they then say "oh, turns out he WAS telling the truth" - The info they get is actually from the cartel lawyer who helped them "extradite" him, the old friend of Del Toro's character who give them the info. Inferring that the impression that the information came from the prisoner is more important than him actually giving it. Both his extradition and torture are just set pieces in the scheme of what's happening.
This movie was a great watch the first time; I saw some of the stuff that was going to happen but not all of it cuz of my wide-eyed naiveté at the time.
There shouldn't have been a second movie, and I can't believe they're coming out with a third.
Had to watch that From Dusk Till Dawn scene again and it's so outrageous that Tarantino actually just cast himself in that role lol
After actually watching these movies before the podcast and after watching both dune movies, before any of the other ones on this list, I am impressed with his work, especially with the atmosphere, drone shots of landscapes and the threads he lays from beginning to finish of his movies. I might agree with the notion that these movies are even better than the Dune movies, I just seem to like the universe of Dune. And Yes, I have not read the books, might be on a long term list. Im looking forward to next week though and would have loved an episode on Bladerunner 2049, the only movie I watched from him before the Dune movies, love that one.
I've only read Dune and Dune Messiah, and they are both very diffrent books but I enjoy them both.
I do think to some extent that Dune films are his weakest films but dont understate the pressure. To deliver maybe the most anticipated adaptation in ScienceFiction is not easy. Especially because most people will scrutinise the film either way. He delivered something for the mainstream and for the book reader.
I wouldn't have read the books if it was not for the film. I read the first book just before it came out and, of course, liked the book a-lot more. That tends to happen.
I agree on Bladerunner 2049, my best experience in the cinema.
I love these videos because they're more enjoyable for me than watching the movie
It just struck me but there is a parallel between Jake Gettis from Chinatown and Emily Blunt’s character in this movie that’s hard to unsee once you make the connection. Both characters operate with a reckless abandon that nearly gets them killed and will get them killed if they keep insisting on going on in the same fashion, they need to walk away or be pried away from their respective situations. They both also seem to always default to hostility and rudeness which does little to ingratiate themselves to the people around them.
The aesthetics in this movie are so fucking gorgeous. Roger Deakins was dunkin on people again.
This is the first time I watched all 4 (5 with both Dune parts) movies of a Fourplay series. Great series and great movies. I personally preferred Sicario to Prisoners. This is only the third time I think about directors instead of individual films. I will definitely look out for who the director of a movie is more often in the future. And I agree, Sicario 2 was not a good movie.
Δευτερο αγαπημενο κομματι αυτη την περιοδο μετα απο Shokin - Να Σε Δω. Ειναι και τα δυο σκετη 🔥🔥🔥
4 views in 14 hrs? Something wrong with the algorithm here, or was the video privated till now?
What are YOU doing in here on an unlisted video?
@@LastFreeNationCulture Wait you guys trolling me, or is this actually supposed to be unlisted?
Villeneuve is great
44:00 From my understanding, Alejandro was a prosecutor in Juarez, not a lawyer for the Medellín cartel. This is why when he meets his ex-colleague, he says I'm glad to hear that you are still in the fight. This means that he was indeed in the good guy and his family was killed because of it. It's a simpler good guy trying to do right turned psychopath after a harsh experience with reality deal.
I'm constantly surprised by how people (invariably males) come away viewing Alejandro as a (kind-of) hero and Kate as something approaching a "villain" who constantly tries to stand in the way of the "adults in the room doing what must be done".
To me, this film creates a superbly morally ambiguous universe where you're missing the point if you pick ANY of the characters as "relatable" characters whom you "cheer on". To me, Alejandro is a pathetic shadow of a human being (superbly played by del Toro).
I can't imagine you'd ever do an analysis of it, but to me "Sicario's" closest equivalent in Villeneuve’s filmography is his "Incendies".
Im no film critic im pretty easy to please with a movie but after hearing just the start can you guys please do the movie unthinkable with Samuel Jackson i thought it was very revealing into real life as well as his other movie the negotiator the subtleties in each and how they tie into the darkness of real life i thought was amazing
I love this one. My personal (guilty) pleasure. Who missed this film in the cinema should regret, some scenes asbolutely kick ass due to perfect camera, sound editing and insane soundtrack (f.e. the ride in and out of Juarez is godlike sequence).
Brolin, Blunt and Del Toro are acting like there was no tomorrow.
My favourite Villeneuve's film.
I also expected her to die, he told her to never point a gun at him and to not go on balconies. As soon as he leaves she does both of those, should have gotten snipped there.
I like the focus on family and children in the movie, they always asked people if they had any kids. It makes you feel like they at least have some morals but in the end when it's personal it's personal.
Θελω να δω live στη σκηνη εσενα και Shokin κι ας πεθανω!
I first watched tihs when i was about 17 or 18 and let me tell you i was so tilted with the emily blunt's character
I never got that "war on drugs". Just make every drug legal, an adult should have the freedom to do and take what he wants. If he then commits a crime put him away for it. Right now we do the opposite, we criminalise drugs and then we give people who can't handle them every excuse when they commit a crime. That's very sinister in my opinion, being a junky is a state not a character or an excuse
Im not sure if its just because i watched this film the next morning after watching Prisoners, or if its because I've lived my whole life in close proximity to the Mexican American border, but this movie was actually a pretty big let down. I think I'd have been more sold if this was the first non Dune movie in the arc that i watched, but Arrival and Prisoners were so great that this one kind of fell flat in comparison. I distinctly remember watching the scene where they had the captured migrants at the bus depot, and thinking, can we wrap this up, its not nearly as interesting as the others. I also felt that the ending should have been Kate walking out on the balcony and pointing the gun at Alejandro and getting domed because he said to avoid balconies and never point a weapon at him.
The movie is definitely better than a lot of movies I've watched, but still ends up feeling like a fine/10.
40:00 Quentin Tarantino is a fucking G for that hahaha
Maybe the meaning behind her surviving is that even the most naive and pure can get " corrupted ".
They talk about the worst shit the cartel does and it justifies why they would never go to Brazil.
But we’ll never understand.
How can Alejandro be relatable to anyone who is not a psychopath ? Great character for sure but he is as insane as the people he is hunting. He is "Rorschach", and as Alan Moore said, if you relate to that I'll think "great, can you keep away from me ?"
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