That sure looked like four in real time, slow motion and whatever else is available on this video. How did the original broadcast not show additional angles?
@@smoore8yup. More manipulated outcomes all over this sport. Absolutely pathetic. If I were Gilman I would have walked off right after the dumb call was made
@@bruceshort8854 that’s your back dude 😂 I got 7th at Fargo . He didn’t break 90 and if he did his back would’ve been exposed . If you break 90 or get took down that’s 2 points . For 4 it’s feet to back
IDK man, I'm playin this @ .25 speed @ 6:59 and I can't determine how Lee landed. Looks easily like a 4 PT feet to back in real time but he may have miraculously landed with his chest more towards the mat than his back despite his hips.
Don’t you see his right elbow on the mat? Play it half speed and watch he lands on his shoulder and his elbow wing is back behind his shoulder. Definitely didn’t land on his back
Can someone explain to me why the winner of this match has to place top 3 at the Last Chance Olympic Qualifier in Turkey?? They are representing the USA at the 2024 Olympics, so what's up with winning in Turkey?
There are more countries than there are spots in the Olympic brackets so countries have to qualify for those spots. One way is to medal at the world championships the previous year. We did not medal at 57 or 65 kg so we have to earn a spot by placing in a qualifying tournament. One was the pan am championships a month or 2 ago and at both weights we did not place high enough to earn a spot. We have one more chance to qualify for a spot at the tournament in Turkey. This is not anything new. We have not qualified weights before. Last Olympics we failed to qualify 65 kg.
Neil young has 3 songs about this....sugar mountain, comes a time, powder finger and the HS kids are winning more it seems lately. Personally I see a pain mgt doc over not knowing when to towel it.
Garbage. That ref screwed Valencia. He got out of the shot clock and Brooks didn’t when Brooks was more passive 2/3rds of the match. He was in the way when they went out of bounds and tried to award brooks a takedown on a push out. And then a caution with the singlet at the end of the match? One bad call is one thing but seems like he had a favorite to win
You're the man for posting these matches.
Yes he is the man
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keep this silent fellas i needa watch all these before they get deleted
Yep
You gotta love it when the match result isn’t in the title!
Yo thank you times 100x for posting these
That sure looked like four in real time, slow motion and whatever else is available on this video. How did the original broadcast not show additional angles?
NBC was so trash
That was 4 all day
Because of favoritism
@@smoore8yup. More manipulated outcomes all over this sport. Absolutely pathetic. If I were Gilman I would have walked off right after the dumb call was made
Gilman one of the best in the world, and Spencer is kicking his ass!
Lee is going to dominate at the Olympics.
Last Chance tournament comes first
I hope so - Brooks is another guy I really want to see against the world's best.
@@MrSilus2000what?
@@DavidPerez-ig8gi what
@@MrSilus2000 the last chance qualifier is to get to the trials?
Absolutely ridiculous. Definitely 4.
Slow it down . Spencer has mat awareness . I thought so to but nah he didn’t even touch his back at all
Agree
@@TheCreator43219He doesn’t have to touch his back. He just has to be past 90 when he makes contact with the mat.
@@bruceshort8854 that’s your back dude 😂 I got 7th at Fargo . He didn’t break 90 and if he did his back would’ve been exposed . If you break 90 or get took down that’s 2 points . For 4 it’s feet to back
@@Hillsman001 facts
You get the 2nd match by chance?
THANKS!!!!!!
Thanks for posting. Anyone have match 2
IDK man, I'm playin this @ .25 speed @ 6:59 and I can't determine how Lee landed. Looks easily like a 4 PT feet to back in real time but he may have miraculously landed with his chest more towards the mat than his back despite his hips.
Honestly,i dont think it was 4
Don’t you see his right elbow on the mat? Play it half speed and watch he lands on his shoulder and his elbow wing is back behind his shoulder. Definitely didn’t land on his back
@@deanodebo1380 Yeah, I had to slow it down too to see this. But I agree with you.
Having his friend I can't remember his name, the dude who is hot tempered. It benefited him having him because Gilman loves that tricep.
Desanto
Austin Desanto
@@aidenthurloe8557 yes that's him. Also where was he in this tournament?
How about match 2?
is there a video of round 2
Do you have match #2?
Seemed pretty clear that Gilman exposed the back on that throw. Should have been 4 points.
Spencer will get gold. He's looking great. Nothing like disappointment and adversity to motivate you. I think he needed that loss in the NCAAs.
Pause at 7:01 that’s definitely feet to back to me
This weight class is where you see some crazy shots
Can someone explain to me why the winner of this match has to place top 3 at the Last Chance Olympic Qualifier in Turkey?? They are representing the USA at the 2024 Olympics, so what's up with winning in Turkey?
At the PAN AM we had Zane Richardson and he did not qualify the weight. But Lee will qualify the weight in Turkey for the USA.
It is a last chance qualifier. Lee and Rutherford have to qualify the weights in Turkey.
There are more countries than there are spots in the Olympic brackets so countries have to qualify for those spots. One way is to medal at the world championships the previous year. We did not medal at 57 or 65 kg so we have to earn a spot by placing in a qualifying tournament. One was the pan am championships a month or 2 ago and at both weights we did not place high enough to earn a spot. We have one more chance to qualify for a spot at the tournament in Turkey. This is not anything new. We have not qualified weights before. Last Olympics we failed to qualify 65 kg.
@christopherroth7239 Great explanation. Thank you. I was seriously confused for a while about this.
It comes down to what the NCOC rules are. Once you look into them, it actually make sense
Post match 2!
That was four points! And i don't have a dog in the fight.
Hey, look at CP and Tyler. Nice little family.
Gilman got hosed twice. That sure looked like feet to back. The rubber leg move that got the takedown stopped was bull too.
Great match by Spencer seem like he was gashed the last 2 minutes
after pausing and playing at .25 speed it looked like feet to back , 4 point s
Neil young has 3 songs about this....sugar mountain, comes a time, powder finger and the HS kids are winning more it seems lately. Personally I see a pain mgt doc over not knowing when to towel it.
Gotta love the Pa guys like Spencer and others !!!!
That was 100% feet to back
Love you
6:59 , 4 , 100%
except they were 100% OB, but OK -
There really weren’t
@@PatrickORourke-yz3xnwhat do you mean “OB” ?
@@floridafan561 I think it means "off bounds"
Not four points, did not land on his back
Why is this labeled as “Final X”? It’s not the tournament, it’s the 2024 USA Olympic Team Trials
Gilman got hosed a lil on the feet to back
😡 0:57 whistle way too fast
🤬 2:58 whistle way way too fast
GO GET THAT GOLD SPENCE.. GOAT
Robbed Gilman so bad
How
Clearly 4
go spencer
Commentator couldn’t put together a complete sentence
Gilman won that
Thx. Just a tip -- Calling this "Final X" is a little confusing...
Prolly so it doesn’t get taken down as fast
Robbery
Lol no
Nope. Close, but nope.
I seen another angle and it only looked like 2, and Im a gilman fan.
Garbage. That ref screwed Valencia. He got out of the shot clock and Brooks didn’t when Brooks was more passive 2/3rds of the match. He was in the way when they went out of bounds and tried to award brooks a takedown on a push out. And then a caution with the singlet at the end of the match? One bad call is one thing but seems like he had a favorite to win
Wow
For god sake thomas won ! it was not even for it was 5 piont for thomas
At first half thomas got his leg and refrer let go
No - All four feet were OB - You can't show control prior. Let's hear your excuse for the second match.
i was there lol btw not final x lol
That was 4 tbh gilman got cheated
The more I watch the more I realize Gilman didn’t get 4 points, watching it slowly I think it’s clear its 2 points
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They wrestled like chickens. No technical skills
Great wresting at this event but USA wrestling did a shit job organizing for spectators. Total shitshow
Gillman is the most boring wrestler to watch and never wins shit at international competition. Thank god Lee beat him.
You can’t be giving points for a challenge that didn’t go their way, that’s ridiculous in wrestling at this level where every point matters.
Robbery
lacking brain cells i see