I’m praying for you Father, you are on the prayer card today 7/26, for the FSSP. May God bless you for all your hard work with the Nigerian people. BTW, excellent talk about Nigeria
I’m not too thrilled about the generalizations made. Ghana, for example has had a very different story. There’s been relative peace since independence in 1957, and complete political serenity and calm since the 4th republic in 1992. In this 4 th republic, power had been peacefully transferred to 5 different presidents. What happens in some African countries is tragic but it doesn’t tell the whole story of Africa
Joel Kwesi Sam I agree. Kenyan history is also very different. We have never had a military dictator as a president. We have had 4 peaceful transitions of presidents.
Furthermore I don’t think the word ‘savage’ is apt in describing African civilization prior to years of colonization. Africans just enjoyed a different civilization which was very misunderstood by the colonial masters. There were the great kingdoms and empires of the Ashanti, there was the Ghana kingdom, etc. which were all very illustrious in their day.
Joel Kwesi Sam I agree with you. Africans were civilised. Most if not all African tribes had a system of governance, belief system and system of trade, educational system. What the colonists did was bring over their own systems.
Very illustrious for who? The village elders? Don't forget that the Africans are the ones who sold their brothers and sisters to the white people in exchange for white money.
Yvonne Kabiru yes indeed. I am just pointing out that some structure doesn't mean they weren't savages. I guess it depends on the technical definition of the word.
Joe James Have you read about Mansa Musa, the Ghana, Mali and Songhai Empires? Even the books of the Arab and Islamic scholars who traded with them speak to the fact that Africans were a very illustrious people. If European books have told history their way based on a few unfortunate instances, it doesn’t make it right, especially because you can’t use those few stories to generalize matters. And if I may ask, what exactly do you mean by the word savage? Colonial masters raped natives and sodomized young men, killed innocent people all for the selfish interests of their monarchs...would it justify me referring to all 16th, 17th and 18th Century Europeans as evil, wicked and terrorizing??
Christians in Nigeria comprise 50% of the population. Christians are dominant in the southern and central region in Nigeria. According to the Pew Research Center, Nigeria has the largest Christian population of any country in Africa, with more than 90 million persons in Nigeria belonging to the faith. Since the introduction of Sharia penal law in some of the Northern states, violence towards non-Muslims has increased in the North.
The Christian missionaries did bring Christianity to Africa but those in charge of government also committed injustices against Africans like land grabbing, torture and many other things that is why most African countries fought for Independence.
Are you Fr. Angelo VanderPutten, I'm unsure because of the beard? If so, I remember getting your Ordination Card, with St. Michael on it, out of Los Gatos, CA. Have no fear but, I would love to contact your brother, Benedict. Again, have no fear. You see I know enough to know that you might believe that there would be cause for fear but, be assured in Christ that there is none. I have no proof to give or offer save that, I was baptised by your brother and know that my will is all for charity for him. You see, I have seen that of which none might speak, namely the transgressions of women who, as the world knows, like the flesh, can do no wrong in modern times. However, I may be of some use to your brother. Who can say if the black sheep can guard its shepherd and offer its self up for a meal in his stead. Or may renew that which has been lost. No man can say but, God works in mysterious ways and as such, an odity or obsecurity may be of great comfort in time like these. Reply if you are willing. Be at peace in this Fr.
@@m-hayek1985 I think so. He became attached to the diocese of Scranton who did the paperwork for lastization. I believe is married now and lives in Oklahoma somewhere.
@@m-hayek1985 yes. But that's no reflection on his brothers current ministry. We had two brothers in the Bible Cain and Abel, one turned out good, one turned out bad.
This was a very depressing talk to listen to. The title provided is very misleading - This was not about the life of Fr. Vanderputten in Nigeria but rather Fr. Vanderputten's biased opinions on the history of Nigeria, her pre-colonial history, her colonization, her liberation and her post-colonial history. Fr. Vanderputten is not a historian and he appears to have just enough knowledge on Africa to have very dangerous opinions and ideas. His analysis betrays a very condescending attitude which is quite unfortunate. At one point, Fr. Vanderputten states that “ 12.50. The white man is the one who brought order, peace, law, discipline, wealth…All good things came from the white man”. In his mind, there was no law, peace, discipline or wealth in Africa - This is very sad indeed. Fr. Vanderputten should read Things Fall Apart by Chunua Achebe - a renowned Igbo writer and this will help him have at least some understanding of precolonial Africa. His attempt to cover-up for the abuses, murders, rapes, genocides, slavery and untold suffering perpetrated by the colonialists and Europeans who came to Africa before formal colonization is absolutely reprehensible. He appears to know nothing about the atrocities committed by the King of Belgium in the Congo (book. King Leopold’s Ghost). His Fascination by this evil man (King Leopold) is absolutely despicable. He also appears to know nothing about the atrocities committed by the French in their colonies in Africa, the atrocities committed by the British in Kenya (Read. Imperial Reckoning by Caroline Elkins) and other parts of Africa. He is not aware (or has choosen not to be aware) of the rape and pillage that western powers committed and continue to commit all over Africa. These are just a few examples. Fr. Vanderputten does not appear to be comfortable with the term colonization which he says in quotes. This is very sad. Denying a historical fact does not change it. Colonization bears a negative connotation of suppression and subjugation and this is what happened. Denying colonization is very offensive to Africans - it is like denying the holocaust. Also, at Minute 22, Fr. V seems to indicate that African liberation struggles were a product of communist ideas (communism is condemned in the catholic church). Is it possible that his ideal scenario would have been the continued subjugation of the African people? He states that all African nations sank into anarchy after the liberation. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some nations had wars and military coups which were actually manufactured and fueled by Western powers for resources and power. Fr. V should read or watch the story of president Thomas Sankara (May the Lord rest his soul in peace) and Patrice Lumumba (May the Lord rest his soul in Peace). Africa has historical, economic and social challenges. That cannot be denied. However, Fr. Vanderputten should have spent this 45 minutes edifying his audience with information about his life in Nigeria, how the Christians are living their faith, how the love of God has been manifested and the charity of his parishioners and the hospitality of the Igbo people. He should have explained how he is ministering to the faithful in Nigeria and their popular devotions. I will pray for him and I ask you all to pray for him.
Charity is based on truth. And telling someone hard truths for love of them is very difficult, and very good. I believe from this talk that he loves these people very much, he's dedicated a large portion of his life to them, and talks in intimate, loving terms. The inverse, telling people comforting lies for love of self, is evil. My sympathies are with Fr Vanderputten.
@@fishslappr "My sympathies are with Fr. Vanderputten" - I do not expect or anticipate that your sympathies will be elsewhere. Only the courageous can travel beyond their comfort zone of knowledge. My advice to you is - if you ever want to learn something meaningful about a group of people, a society or a culture etc, the best approach is to listen to those people. What do they say about who they are?. Don't just listen to third parties and quickly form your opinion. Listen to what the people you are interested in are saying about themselves and their situation first. I will leave you with some quotes from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie - a Nigerian. "The single story creates stereotypes, and the problem with stereotypes is not that they are untrue but that they are incomplete. They make one story become the only story" and another one - "Power is the ability not just to tell the story of a person but to make it the definitive story of that person". You can watch her Ted talks on youtube.
@@fishslappr This is very sad. So, you condescendingly replied to my original comment by stating how "telling someone hard truths ... is very difficult". You never acknowledged or pointed out what parts of my criticism was false. Therefore, I returned the favor - but with lots of Charity - my response encouraged you to consider the whole truth (since you love the truth) and not just one part of it. I even pointed you to great resources on this matter. However, you returned the favor with by insulting me (the last word in your response). I did not know such a word and had to google it and found two meanings. Using this word on someone is absolutely outside the Christian precept of charity towards thy neighbor. Also, please consider that insulting people you do not know with your Keyboard within the safety of your home is very cowardly and ungodly. I assume you are a Christian and therefore invite you to withdraw the last word in your sentence in the interest of Charity. You are welcome to use another word that demonstrates your intellectual accomplishments and spiritual disposition.
When the Awakening reaches its peak, the world will learn that many of these political catastrophes and scenarios of inhumanity were carefully orchestrated and plotted in advance by a brood/a lineage of greed with occultism and secret societies. I used to dismiss it as bogeyman finger pointing, but it's a lot truer than people would like to believe. Even the world of constant 'moral grey' is a perpetuated lie by the very same people.
Original Bolsheviks were jews too. I don't think the way to solve such problems is genocide, not necessarily the Catholic fashion, rather mass deportation to Madagascar if we want to purge out the contamination
Reggie Stickleback Well we need to bring back anti commie and socialist laws. Ideologies that are explicitly against our republic are liable to prosecution if treason is found or plotted of in large swathes of an organization.
I’m praying for you Father, you are on the prayer card today 7/26, for the FSSP. May God bless you for all your hard work with the Nigerian people. BTW, excellent talk about Nigeria
Very interesting talk. Our parish priest is from Nigeria and the Archdiocese has several priests throughout the Archdiocese from Nigeria.
I’m not too thrilled about the generalizations made. Ghana, for example has had a very different story. There’s been relative peace since independence in 1957, and complete political serenity and calm since the 4th republic in 1992. In this 4 th republic, power had been peacefully transferred to 5 different presidents. What happens in some African countries is tragic but it doesn’t tell the whole story of Africa
Joel Kwesi Sam I agree. Kenyan history is also very different. We have never had a military dictator as a president. We have had 4 peaceful transitions of presidents.
Yvonne Kabiru that’s very right. I really wish those who tell our story out there would focus more on the positives
I agree with you. I just posted my take on this talk.
Joel Kwesi Sam Have you heard of the term White man Saviour Syndrome?
If in only 35 years of Ghana's independence there were in fact three separate republics, this adds to and does not detract from the father's point.
Furthermore I don’t think the word ‘savage’ is apt in describing African civilization prior to years of colonization. Africans just enjoyed a different civilization which was very misunderstood by the colonial masters. There were the great kingdoms and empires of the Ashanti, there was the Ghana kingdom, etc. which were all very illustrious in their day.
Joel Kwesi Sam I agree with you. Africans were civilised. Most if not all African tribes had a system of governance, belief system and system of trade, educational system. What the colonists did was bring over their own systems.
Very illustrious for who? The village elders? Don't forget that the Africans are the ones who sold their brothers and sisters to the white people in exchange for white money.
Joe James Not all Africans engaged in Slave trade. Didn't ancient Romans and Greek engage in human slave trade before Christianity?
Yvonne Kabiru yes indeed. I am just pointing out that some structure doesn't mean they weren't savages. I guess it depends on the technical definition of the word.
Joe James Have you read about Mansa Musa, the Ghana, Mali and Songhai Empires? Even the books of the Arab and Islamic scholars who traded with them speak to the fact that Africans were a very illustrious people. If European books have told history their way based on a few unfortunate instances, it doesn’t make it right, especially because you can’t use those few stories to generalize matters. And if I may ask, what exactly do you mean by the word savage? Colonial masters raped natives and sodomized young men, killed innocent people all for the selfish interests of their monarchs...would it justify me referring to all 16th, 17th and 18th Century Europeans as evil, wicked and terrorizing??
A good and interesting summary of the History of Nigeria, from the holy roman Catholic experience and perspective. GOD Bless!
Christians in Nigeria comprise 50% of the population.
Christians are dominant in the southern and central region in Nigeria.
According to the Pew Research Center, Nigeria has the largest Christian population of any country in Africa, with more than 90 million persons in Nigeria belonging to the faith.
Since the introduction of Sharia penal law in some of the Northern states, violence towards non-Muslims has increased in the North.
Its good to talk about AFRICA
The Christian missionaries did bring Christianity to Africa but those in charge of government also committed injustices against Africans like land grabbing, torture and many other things that is why most African countries fought for Independence.
Are you Fr. Angelo VanderPutten, I'm unsure because of the beard? If so, I remember getting your Ordination Card, with St. Michael on it, out of Los Gatos, CA. Have no fear but, I would love to contact your brother, Benedict. Again, have no fear. You see I know enough to know that you might believe that there would be cause for fear but, be assured in Christ that there is none. I have no proof to give or offer save that, I was baptised by your brother and know that my will is all for charity for him. You see, I have seen that of which none might speak, namely the transgressions of women who, as the world knows, like the flesh, can do no wrong in modern times. However, I may be of some use to your brother. Who can say if the black sheep can guard its shepherd and offer its self up for a meal in his stead. Or may renew that which has been lost. No man can say but, God works in mysterious ways and as such, an odity or obsecurity may be of great comfort in time like these. Reply if you are willing. Be at peace in this Fr.
Fulton Sheen once sad that soon countries would be sending missionaries to America
Long time no see Fr!
Is this the same Fr. [Benedict?] Vanderputten, who used to be with the SSPX?
No. its not. Its Fr. Angelo Vander Putten. But yes he used to be with the SSPX. Fr. Benedict Vander Putten is no longer a priest.
Joe Matties did Fr Benedict get laicized?
@@m-hayek1985 I think so. He became attached to the diocese of Scranton who did the paperwork for lastization. I believe is married now and lives in Oklahoma somewhere.
@@michaelvasquez9677 so were both Vander putten brother’s ordained in the sspx?
@@m-hayek1985 yes. But that's no reflection on his brothers current ministry. We had two brothers in the Bible Cain and Abel, one turned out good, one turned out bad.
Does he know anything about the Most Precious Blood Dvtn started by Barnabas Nwoye?
Dear Father VanderPutten, it's “Igbo”, not “Ibu”. Thank you.
All Igbos are NOT corrupt!!!
This was a very depressing talk to listen to. The title provided is very misleading - This was not about the life of Fr. Vanderputten in Nigeria but rather Fr. Vanderputten's biased opinions on the history of Nigeria, her pre-colonial history, her colonization, her liberation and her post-colonial history. Fr. Vanderputten is not a historian and he appears to have just enough knowledge on Africa to have very dangerous opinions and ideas. His analysis betrays a very condescending attitude which is quite unfortunate.
At one point, Fr. Vanderputten states that “ 12.50. The white man is the one who brought order, peace, law, discipline, wealth…All good things came from the white man”. In his mind, there was no law, peace, discipline or wealth in Africa - This is very sad indeed. Fr. Vanderputten should read Things Fall Apart by Chunua Achebe - a renowned Igbo writer and this will help him have at least some understanding of precolonial Africa.
His attempt to cover-up for the abuses, murders, rapes, genocides, slavery and untold suffering perpetrated by the colonialists and Europeans who came to Africa before formal colonization is absolutely reprehensible. He appears to know nothing about the atrocities committed by the King of Belgium in the Congo (book. King Leopold’s Ghost). His Fascination by this evil man (King Leopold) is absolutely despicable. He also appears to know nothing about the atrocities committed by the French in their colonies in Africa, the atrocities committed by the British in Kenya (Read. Imperial Reckoning by Caroline Elkins) and other parts of Africa. He is not aware (or has choosen not to be aware) of the rape and pillage that western powers committed and continue to commit all over Africa. These are just a few examples.
Fr. Vanderputten does not appear to be comfortable with the term colonization which he says in quotes. This is very sad. Denying a historical fact does not change it. Colonization bears a negative connotation of suppression and subjugation and this is what happened. Denying colonization is very offensive to Africans - it is like denying the holocaust. Also, at Minute 22, Fr. V seems to indicate that African liberation struggles were a product of communist ideas (communism is condemned in the catholic church). Is it possible that his ideal scenario would have been the continued subjugation of the African people? He states that all African nations sank into anarchy after the liberation. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some nations had wars and military coups which were actually manufactured and fueled by Western powers for resources and power. Fr. V should read or watch the story of president Thomas Sankara (May the Lord rest his soul in peace) and Patrice Lumumba (May the Lord rest his soul in Peace).
Africa has historical, economic and social challenges. That cannot be denied. However, Fr. Vanderputten should have spent this 45 minutes edifying his audience with information about his life in Nigeria, how the Christians are living their faith, how the love of God has been manifested and the charity of his parishioners and the hospitality of the Igbo people. He should have explained how he is ministering to the faithful in Nigeria and their popular devotions.
I will pray for him and I ask you all to pray for him.
Charity is based on truth. And telling someone hard truths for love of them is very difficult, and very good. I believe from this talk that he loves these people very much, he's dedicated a large portion of his life to them, and talks in intimate, loving terms. The inverse, telling people comforting lies for love of self, is evil. My sympathies are with Fr Vanderputten.
@@fishslappr "My sympathies are with Fr. Vanderputten" - I do not expect or anticipate that your sympathies will be elsewhere. Only the courageous can travel beyond their comfort zone of knowledge. My advice to you is - if you ever want to learn something meaningful about a group of people, a society or a culture etc, the best approach is to listen to those people. What do they say about who they are?. Don't just listen to third parties and quickly form your opinion. Listen to what the people you are interested in are saying about themselves and their situation first.
I will leave you with some quotes from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie - a Nigerian. "The single story creates stereotypes, and the problem with stereotypes is not that they are untrue but that they are incomplete. They make one story become the only story" and another one - "Power is the ability not just to tell the story of a person but to make it the definitive story of that person". You can watch her Ted talks on youtube.
@@kijanajuma8086 not likely. I didn't ask you for advice, presumptuous moralising twat.
@@fishslappr This is very sad. So, you condescendingly replied to my original comment by stating how "telling someone hard truths ... is very difficult". You never acknowledged or pointed out what parts of my criticism was false. Therefore, I returned the favor - but with lots of Charity - my response encouraged you to consider the whole truth (since you love the truth) and not just one part of it. I even pointed you to great resources on this matter. However, you returned the favor with by insulting me (the last word in your response). I did not know such a word and had to google it and found two meanings. Using this word on someone is absolutely outside the Christian precept of charity towards thy neighbor. Also, please consider that insulting people you do not know with your Keyboard within the safety of your home is very cowardly and ungodly. I assume you are a Christian and therefore invite you to withdraw the last word in your sentence in the interest of Charity. You are welcome to use another word that demonstrates your intellectual accomplishments and spiritual disposition.
Jesus Christ love African
Once Europe gets back on its feet, a recolonization, occupation, and forced unification of Subsaharan Africa may be necessary
When the Awakening reaches its peak, the world will learn that many of these political catastrophes and scenarios of inhumanity were carefully orchestrated and plotted in advance by a brood/a lineage of greed with occultism and secret societies. I used to dismiss it as bogeyman finger pointing, but it's a lot truer than people would like to believe. Even the world of constant 'moral grey' is a perpetuated lie by the very same people.
Reggie Stickleback Zionists + communists and scientologists. A general brood of narcissistic, selr-serving sadistic scoundrels
Original Bolsheviks were jews too. I don't think the way to solve such problems is genocide, not necessarily the Catholic fashion, rather mass deportation to Madagascar if we want to purge out the contamination
Reggie Stickleback Well we need to bring back anti commie and socialist laws. Ideologies that are explicitly against our republic are liable to prosecution if treason is found or plotted of in large swathes of an organization.
Better yet change the republic into something a bit more fashy, if you know what I mean